Turning off kernel mode setting is the key to Intel 830m video not just in Ubuntu Karmic and Lucid but in Sidux 2009-04 - and more importantly that should mean Debian Squeeze will work, too

| | Comments (5) |

Before I get into this entry, after I wrote it I saw the following in the Sidux release notes:

Kernel 2.6.32 doesn't only improve and stabilise hardware support for newer devices, it also allows enabling KMS (kernel based modesetting) for Intel graphic chipset ...

Note to Linux kernel developers: This doesn't work with the Intel 830m. DOESN'T WORK.

And now back to our regularly scheduled post on how turning off kernel mode setting is the best way to get "today's" Linux distributions to boot into graphical desktops on computers with the Intel 830m graphics chipset:

Remember the last time I figured out how to run both Ubuntu Lucid (via the Alpha 2 image) and Sidux 2009-04 on my Toshiba Satellite 1100-S101 and its Intel 830m video chip (aka Intel 82830 CGC)?

I used two methods: using the VESA driver and turning off kernel mode setting.

Both methods worked in Ubuntu Lucid — the project's upcoming 10.04 LTS (long-term support) release.

I tested the live KDE DVD image of Sidux 2009-04 for a number of reasons, one being that I think Sidux is a great project that allows users to run the "unstable" Debian Sid with a minimum of pain, all the while providing a very usable desktop. The other reason is that I know of no other live image (especially a live DVD+R, which my quirky Toshiba likes much better than a CD-R) with which to test the upcoming Debian Squeeze release, now in Testing but eventually slated for Stable designation.

The equally useful Debian Live project allows prospective Debian users to try out Debian on their hardware before committing to a full installation — just like Ubuntu and many other popular distros. As far as I know, you can't install the distro from the Debian Live image, but it is invaluable in terms of seeing how a given computer will respond to Debian.

But Debian Live doesn't appear to have any DVD images (I'm not sure whether or not a CD image can be burned to a DVD+R disc; if anybody out there knows anything, please let me in on it). And I don't see any Squeeze images. They appear to be in Lenny-only mode.

So I turn to Sidux. Despite the "2009-04" tag line, it was released in December 2009. I'm sure Debian Squeeze will move further along by the time it is released as Debian's stable distribution, but it does allow users to try something farther from Lenny and closer to Squeeze without committing to a full installation.

So today I decided to try to boot Sidux not with the VESA driver but by turning off kernel mode setting.

As with Ubuntu Lucid, I started to boot the Sidux 2009-04 DVD, and at the boot screen I added the following to the boot parameters:

i915.modeset=0

I was soon in the surprisingly snappy KDE 4.3.4 environment.

This leads me to believe that turning off kernel mode setting will allow users of Intel 830m video (and most likely other Intel video of similar vintage) to not only run Ubuntu Lucid but very like Debian Squeeze as well. In case it's not implied, for me this is huge. It means I'll have choices as to where to go after Debian Lenny.

While in the Sidux live environment, which I'm enjoying very much by the way, I worked a bit in both the Kwrite and Kate text editors, both of which run great on this machine (1.3. GHz Celeron, 1 GB RAM) — much better than the last time I moaned and complained about KDE.

Sidux with KDE on this live DVD — and on this not-so-new hardware — seems no less responsive than Debian Lenny with GNOME. I guess that means I'd be more inclined to use KDE in the future, but I imagine I'll be sticking with GNOME at present (if only because it's working well for me).

In case the message got lost in all of this, the main thing I'm trying to say here is that kernel mode setting is becoming an increasingly big deal in Linux, and for users of Intel video, it not only doesn't help but pretty much renders the given distro unusable.

Turning off kernel mode setting is the key to actually having a working computer and if you can't boot either the live disc or resulting installation and get a working desktop, this is a tweak you should try before messing with xorg.conf or pulling what's left of your hair out.

Attention developers: This "improvement" you call kernel mode setting is pretty much a regression for users of my particular video chip, the Intel 830m, and could be equally useless for other Intel video hardware. Maybe figuring out why kernel mode setting doesn't work in these cases is the thing to do? And how about dropping in some code that automatically turns off kernel mode setting on hardware that doesn't like it until this show-&*^-stopping bug is dealt with?

I don't know who to blame here. I'm no expert, but my gut reaction is that this is a kernel-development problem. My question to you users and developers out there is this: Is kernel mode setting working for you and your Intel video hardware?

Before I end this entry, did I mention how much I like Sidux? I could get used to a distro this good. I'm not the kind of person who needs or wants the latest in everything. To me stability and lack of breakage is key. But just like the first time I tried Sidux (with Xfce), I'm extremely impressed by what its developers have done — and by how quick and usable Debian — be it Sid, Squeeze or Lenny — continues to be.


5 Comments

torrancew Author Profile Page said:

Steven,

You shouldn't have any trouble burning a CD to a DVD, if I remember correctly. (Of course, if you do, you'll just have a new coaster).

Tray

Yup, definitely no problem burning CD ISO's to DVDs. They work just fine, provided the device you're trying to use them with can read DVD discs (not much of a problem these days!)

With respect to your issues, can you give us the links to the bug reports in the Debian and upstream kernel tracker? It would sure help get the issue resolved if people had a link to your bug report...

I will absolutely look at bug reports. I'm not sure whether or not this is a kernel issue or a Debian issue.

My idea of what needs to be done is that if Intel 830m (or 82830 CGC, more specifically, in my case) is in the dmesg, then kernel mode setting should be turned off.

Or they could fix kernel mode setting.

I'm a bit fuzzy on all the outputs/log files/etc. I need to submit with a bug report in this case. I have a feeling I need to beyond my usual "this doesn't work," and provide some useful data to go along with that.

Aaron said:

As a keen but technicaly inept Linux user How do I add the i915.modeset=0 to the boot peramiter?

I can only run lynx in low graphics mode...

How you add the boot parameter depends on whether you're using Grub 1 or Grub 2.

Ubuntu Lucid uses Grub 2, and there's a great community page on how to deal with it:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2

They also still have the Grub 1 FAQ:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto

Leave a comment

Tech Talk column

Steven Rosenberg's weekly Tech Talk column, which appeared Saturdays in the Los Angeles Daily News through about October 2009, is available on the Daily News Technology page.

About this blog






Steven Rosenberg aims to learn what he does not know. He writes about it here.



About this Entry

This page contains a single entry by Steven Rosenberg published on February 22, 2010 10:00 AM.

The good ol' Debian/GNOME software update icon - do you miss it? was the previous entry in this blog.

We're entering a new era in CPUs, here's an article that tries to make some sense of it is the next entry in this blog.

Find recent content on the main index or look in the archives to find all content.

Powered by Movable Type 4.25

Search this blog

Loading

LXer

Links

Daily News technology
LXer
Distrowatch
Linus' Blog
David Pogue
BoingBoing
Linux Today
TuxRadar
Linux.com
Linux Planet
The Open Road
Linux Outlaws podcast
Dan Lynch
Fabian Scherschel
The VAR Guy
Larry the Free Software Guy
Chess Griffin
Linux Reality podcast
Desktop Linux
Practical Technology
Linux Devices
ZDNet
ZDNet's Storage Bits
ZDNet U.K.
iTWire
CNet News
Webware
Beyond Binary
TechCrunch
The Register
Ars Technica
Reg Developer
Computerworld
Computerworld blogs
Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols at Computerworld
Debian
Planet Debian
Debian Forums
Debian News
debianHELP
debiantutorials.org
The Debian User
Wolfgang Lonien
Debian-News.net
Debian Administration
Debian Admin
Debian Weather
Aaron Toponce
Ubuntu
Xubuntu
Kubuntu
Edubuntu
Planet Ubuntu
Ubuntu Forums
Ubuntu Geek
Works With U
OMG! Ubuntu!
I' Been to Ubuntu
Tanner Helland
Dustin Kirkland
Ubuntu UK Podcast
Ubuntu Linux Help
Popey
Linux Mint
CrunchBang Linux
OpenBSD
OpenBSD Journal
OpenBSD Ports
OpenBSD 101
Planet.OpenBSD.nu
jggimi's OpenBSD live CD
DaemonForums
BSDanywhere
Marc Balmer
Denny's OpenBSD blog
Polarwave's OpenBSD Tips and Tricks
Binary Updates for OpenBSD
Puppy Linux
Damn Small Linux
Tiny Core Linux
Lucky 13's Linux blog (lots of Tiny Core)
Lucky 13's BSD blog
PCLinuxOS
Mandriva
Red Hat
Red Hat News
Red Hat Blogs
Red Hat: Truth Happens
Red Hat Magazine
CentOS
Planet CentOS
Fedora
Planet Fedora
Fedora Forums
Fedora Docs
Join Fedora
Slackware
Slackbuilds
Robby's Slackware Packages
Slackblogs
dropline GNOME for Slackware
GNOME Slackbuild
GWARE - GNOME for Slackware
Wolvix
Zenwalk Linux
Vector Linux
Slax
Splack Linux — Slackware for Sparc
Nonux
How to Forge
marc.info BSD and Linux mailing list archive
FreeBSD
FreeBSD, the Unknown Giant
A Year in the Life of a BSD Guru
NetBSD
hubertf's NetBSD Blog
PC-BSD
Daemon Forums
FreeBSD Forums
Planet FreeBSD
Evilcoder.org
miwi's Privat Blog
DragonFlyBSD
DragonFlyBSD Digest
DesktopBSD
BSD Talk podcast
BSD Magazine
Rhyous
OpenSolaris
MilaX
BeleniX
DeLi Linux
Linux Loop
Electronista
The Tech Report
Engadget
Gizmodo
Phoronix
xkcd – A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math and language
Nixie Pixel
Technology for Mortals
Thoughts on Technology
ZaReason
System 76
Tiger Direct
NewEgg
DealExtreme

Advertisement

Other blogs

Live: U.S.-Chile at Home Depot Center in 100 Percent Soccer
Girls' basketball: Bell-Jeff wins again in Daily News High School Spotlight
Decision Time in Inside USC with Scott Wolf
Chow officially to Utah in Inside UCLA with Jon Gold
Countdown to Debian Squeeze in CLICK