You know what's working on my laptop with Intel 830m video? Fedora 12, that's what

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At the recommendation of reader David Gurvich, as well as the enthusiastic endorsement of "Linux Outlaws" co-host Fabian A. Scherschel and Larry "the Free Software Guy" Cafiero, I burned my first Fedora disc in some time and am testing Fedora 12 in the live environment.

My latest foray into distro-hopping — live CD/DVDs only at this point — is prompted by this week's total fail in turning off kernel mode setting and getting the screen to work in Ubuntu Lucid Alpha 3. That method (turning off kernel mode setting) worked like so much magic in Ubuntu Lucid Alpha 2 and Sidux 2009-04 (basically Debian Sid in late 2009).

But that hack did nothing for me in Ubuntu Lucid Alpha 3. Yes, dear readers, I know you hate to hear me whine and complain and would rather I file a bug report. I will do so, using my ever-loving Launchpad account, rest assured.

But in the interim I'm looking for any and every solution that will carry my now-two working Intel 830m-equipped laptops through the next year.

I'm crossing my fingers (but have nothing concrete at present) that Debian Squeeze will accommodate Intel 830m, and I'm hopeful that Ubuntu Lucid will work this out (although a regression between alpha releases doesn't bode well).

I've also established that PC-BSD 8.0 (and by extension FreeBSD 8.0) has no problem whatsoever with Intel 830m video.

And today I burned a Fedora 12 live image and am running it right now. Yes, I turned off kernel mode setting with this parameter in the boot line:

nomodeset

And I was off to the races. I did screw a bit with the font rendering under System - Preferences - Appearance - Fonts, ticking the box for "subpixel smoothing," changing the resolution to 90 dots per inch with full hinting (these settings are totally "negotiable" at this point, as I've pretty much never needed to mess with them). I'm not 100 percent happy with the look of the video. I'd say I'm 90 percent happy.

And that 90-percent happiness is in contrast to having no video at all and being 100 percent unhappy.

Thus far here's my verdict on Fedora 12: I like it. I'm extremely glad it's a viable choice for my laptops. I've always admired the documentation that the Fedora team produces. And rather than acting like the testing ground for Red Hat Enterprise Linux that it pretty much is, I'm finding this build to be extremely stable.

I have run RHEL clone CentOS on the desktop (and still have it installed on my daughter's Gateway Solo 1450 with Intel 830m video where it dual-boots with Ubuntu Hardy) but never Fedora.

The main advantage of Fedora over CentOS is the huge, up-to-date repository with just about every desktop package you'd ever need.

I know there are alternatives to get more desktop packages into CentOS/RHEL. But if you can get Fedora to work and keep it working, I believe it's a much better choice for the desktop (except in cases where you specifically want a limited number of applications and don't want to do a lot of updating).

At this point, every Fedora release receives 13 months of support (the time during which there are two six-month releases plus an additional month). Potential users will want to factor that into their distro decision-making; you can certainly upgrade every six months but really don't have to.

As you might have gathered from my last few posts, I'm relying heavily on live CD/DVDs to test which operating-system distributions/projects I will be using on my various laptop and desktop computers over the next six months, year and couple of years.

Since my Xorg problems have been so pervasive over the past year and a half, at this point I need to figure out how the display is working (or not) before I commit to any major upgrades or reinstalls.

Fedora 12 and Mono: I'm sure this has been written about before, but in case you missed it, the Fedora 12 live CD, and possibly the default installation itself, does not contain Mono — the controversial open-source implementation of Microsoft's .NET technology that enables developers to use C# in the creation of applications for Linux and other systems.

You can still add Mono to your Fedora installation after the fact, but unlike in Ubuntu, it's not in the base install.

I've written more than a few times that I'm not completely against Mono but am not all that comfortable with Microsoft's different levels of patent promise to users of Novell-sponsored distributions (Suse) and everybody else. And if the Mono apps aren't better than the non-Mono alternatives, what's the point?

Fedora 12, like Debian Lenny, installs with the Gthumb image viewer/editor, not F-Spot. Gthumb is so good, it's pretty much my default photo editor in Linux and just about my most-used application.

Also in Fedora 12, Gnote replaces the Mono-powered Tomboy Notes. I don't have much use for either of these applications, although I do have Gnote installed on my Debian box, and I replaced Tomboy with Gnote on my now-dead Ubuntu Karmic laptop. Why use a Mono app coded in C# when somebody creates a C++ app that appears to do the exact same thing?

And as I said, there's nothing in F-Spot that's better than what's in Gthumb, and there's plenty F-Spot lacks that Gthumb offers.

That's enough Mono talk. Sorry about the tangent.

Let me wrap up by saying I've liked CentOS in the past, and I'm very happy with the performance of Fedora 12's live CD on my Toshiba Satellite 1100-S101, a 2002-made laptop with a 1.3 GHz Celeron processor and 1 GB RAM. I could easily see moving to this distribution for my daily work.

How is Fedora different from Ubuntu? I'd like to start both myself and all of you thinking about the differences between Fedora and Ubuntu. I'm not just talking about the technical merits and choices each project makes, but about audience and mission for each project/distribution.

I'd like to spin this into a separate entry, but for now I'll start it here:

  • Ubuntu's motto is "Linux for human beings," and while it wants to accommodate the so-called "power user," the focus of the project is to make the transition from a proprietary operating system to Linux as seamless as possible. Fedora exists as a community project that aims to feed the latest technology to Red Hat's enterprise products and serve as a test bed for Red Hat Enterprise Linux while offering users a "free" version of Linux that's aimed at developers and "power users."
  • The Ubuntu project is a community endeavor, with the distibution "controlled" by the for-profit company Canonical that is bankrolled by Mark Shuttleworth while it seeks revenue through support contracts and services. The Fedora Project appears to be a nonprofit entity, "controlled" (to an extent I don't quite know at present) by Red Hat. The Fedora Project itself isn't interested in revenue, but Red Hat's enterprise products/services are a proven source of revenue for the company.
  • Ubuntu is based on Debian. Fedora is pretty much its own project, on which Red Hat Enterprise Linux is based.
  • Ubuntu's community of users is huge and growing. Its community of volunteers is also growing. Excitement around the project is extremely high. Even though Canonical is a for-profit entity, many think its mission is to spread free, open-source software and gain share for Linux on the server and desktop. I'm unsure of the size of Fedora's user community. I'm similarly unsure of the size of its developer community, although like Ubuntu it actively seeks new community members (both projects are very, very proactive in this regard; and that's something I really like). Many Red Hat developers do extensive work on Fedora. While Fedora is doing well, you don't see levels of enthusiasm as high or widespread as with Ubuntu. Ubuntu seems "cool," while Fedora seems to be a niche offering for developers and power users.

If you think I've got anything (or everything) wrong here, or if you have something to add, please let me know.

Perception of the projects must compete with sheer usability for the tasks and on the hardware of the user base. A simpler way to say that is, "Use what works for you." Whether it's Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Mandriva, FreeBSD, Arch, Gentoo or what have you, use what works. Along with that admonition, it's a good idea to keep your eyes open for better solutions — that's what I'm doing.


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Steve,

I have had a very, very positive experience with Fedora 11 and 12. I would recommend installing the yum-fastestmirror plugin to speed up your yum downloads. I am pretty sure yum-presto is already installed (that's the plugin that downloads small binary updates instead of entire packages; it usually cuts my updates download by 75%!).

I remember using Red Hat a long time ago and RPM was kind of a pain. Well, today's yum is amazing, IMHO. I really, really love yum's pretty output (compare it to a typical apt-get or aptitude output). Yum's output is orderly, clean, and provides a lot of useful information.

Overall, Fedora is a very strong distro, IMHO, and quite stable given its bleeding-edge-ness. :-) I like the fact that Fedora promotes a lot of transparency and really seems geared towards providing a real community-run distribution. The Fedora wiki is a great resource of information about the project and all the side projects it promotes. Lastly, you can't argue with the sheer number of Red Hat/Fedora contributions to upstream projects.

Anyway, have fun!

slacker_mike Author Profile Page said:

Hi Steven,

I have used Fedora 11 and 12 in the past and found them to be very stable which was kind of surprising given how bleeding edge the releases tend to be. I like you have an intel video card that came with a Lenovo laptop I bought last year. I have found Slackware 13 has given me no problems with that video card. In fact I haven't had any issues with my particular set of hardware on Slackware to the point where Slackware has become my distro of choice. Anyway good luck with Fedora it really is a distro to admired for all the work they do with upstream projects.

Mike

(This is Steven Rosenberg testing out the OpenID commenting process with a WordPress account ... I can't seem to get either Yahoo or AOL OpenIDs to work ... what about you?)

I'm also surprised at how stable Fedora 12 looks at first glance.

It's nice to know that Slackware 13 works with Intel 830m — always good to have choices.

laptop acer said:

I have used Fedora 11 and 12 in the past and found them to be very stable which was kind of surprising given how bleeding edge the releases tend to be. I like you have an intel video card that came with a Lenovo laptop I bought last year.

I remember using Red Hat a long time ago and RPM was kind of a pain. Well, today's yum is amazing, IMHO. I really, really love yum's pretty output (compare it to a typical apt-get or aptitude output). Yum's output is orderly, clean, and provides a lot of useful information.

I know that you can do a lot with apt and Aptitude, and I've used them extensively while running Debian and Ubuntu, but I was very surprised at how good Yum is. It's probably easier to add repositories to Yum than it is to apt/Aptitude, and it's certainly easier to bring in the authentication keys (a process that's still too murky for my tastes in the apt world).

While it's not 100 percent goodness, I do like the ability to pull down packages from the Koji Build System and install them with Yum. As I say in the entry, I feel better getting the package from Fedora as opposed to some potentially dubious PPA, and there seems to be more available (and a more aggressive move to add newer builds) in Koji than you can get from something like Debian Backports.

That said, RPM Fusion, the place to get most of the multimedia bits, isn't foolproof. I'm waiting for kmod-catalyst to be updated to the current F13 kernel — right now it's useless, and I'm hoping it gets updated before the next F13 kernel moves and makes whatever new kmod-catalyst obsolete.

But Yum itself is a very nice application which has given me no trouble whatsoever.

Fedora is a very strong distro, IMHO, and quite stable given its bleeding-edge-ness. :-) I like the fact that Fedora promotes a lot of transparency and really seems geared towards providing a real community-run distribution,But Yum itself is a very nice application which has given me no trouble whatsoever

I have used Fedora 11 and 12 in the past and found them to be very stable which was kind of surprising given how bleeding edge the releases tend to be,itself is a very nice application which has given me no trouble whatsoever

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