On Christmas Eve, KPCC-FM’s Patt Morrison interviewed me, the artist and the pastor about the Claremont United Methodist Church’s decision not to install a Nativity this year that would have commented on gun violence. This had been the subject of my column the previous day. You can listen to the segment here. It was a small thrill being quizzed by Morrison, and the segment (17 minutes long) was generous in letting people talk. I’m in it twice, starting about halfway through.