Dodgers sign Shawn Estes to minor-league deal

This is from the Times web site. This guy was a frontline starting pitcher a decade or so ago, when he was with the Giants. Has fallen on hard times in recent years, but he won 15 games for Colorado as recently as 2004. Spent the past two seasons with the Padres. He’ll have a decent shot of making the club.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/01/dodgers-sign-es.html

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  • El Lay Dave

    “… when he was with the Giants” at the same time Ned Colletti was. ;)

    Last three seasons with the Pads, but 2007 was all injured or minors. I’ll bet he’s shot, but might earn Jason Johnson’s job from last year, e.g. play in the minors, be a starter if three to four other guys get hurt.

  • TeamHasHoles

    Instead of Tim Redding we sign this jobber…. ..kill me.

  • snuffy02

    Wow! These BIG off season signings just never stop! Mark Loretta, Juan Castro, Luis Maza, Scott Strickland and now Shawn Estes. “He’ll have a good chance on making the club”…just shows what kind of shape this club, and pitching staff in particular, is in.

  • Brooklyn Dodger

    Yeah, Tim Redding really excites me.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/redditi01.shtml

  • Buddy

    You can never have enough pitching depth. Good low-cost contingency move. Estes is an excellent long reliever, spot starter, a left-handed one at that.

  • http://www.firenedcollettinow.com/ kensai

    Eric Stults is a lower cost pitching depth. I’d rather have him as the 5th option right now than running Claudio Vargas and Shawn Estes out there.

  • TeamHasHoles

    BD,

    First of all I always respect your opinion. Having said that…

    Please understand that I watch more baseball than the average person. I’m actually paid to. It’s a nice job, but the main thing I’m getting at here is that I watched Tim Redding pitch about 25 times last season and while he had bad outings for sure (especially at the end of last season), The guy’s quality starts were DOMINATING! And we’re talking about a 4th or 5th starter here. A look inside the numbers will show you that this guy can pitch. He won 10 games on the worst team I saw play all season in the National League. Give this guy run support and he’ll win 15 games… as a 4th or 5th starter… where ya gunna get that kinda production. He had 14 quality starts last season 14 poor outings and 5 average outings where he was pulled early but his stats weren’t God Awful.

    in his Quality starts last season (defined by MLB as 6 innings with 3 ER or less).

    GMS – 14 (out of 33 starts last season if the guy could go a little longer in some of his games I bet he’d pitch 200 innings as a 5th starter!)
    REC- 6-1 (Including 3-0 against the eventual world champs, which is why NYM is so hot to get him. WDC was 12-2 overall in those starts.)
    ERA – 1.86 (IN 14 STARTS!!!)
    WHIP – 1.09

    I’d pay $6 mil more for Tim Redding and let Estes play in ALBUQUERQUE, where I guarantee you he’ll suck. If Estes is the Dodgers 5th starter, the Dodgers are in for a long season, with or without Manny. In fact, it’s proof positive Manny will be a Dodger because they don’t wanna spend money on anything like Redding with Manny still out there and the Dodgers have NO CHANCE next season if Estes is in the rotation and Manny is NOT a Dodger and Ned knows that.

  • snuffy02

    The McCourts stay with the rift-raft plan as Saito signs with the Bosox. They better be signing Manny because they have done nothing to improve this club, as a matter of fact, this team has gotten remarkably worse. The pitching staff, especially the starting rotation, is tripe. Right now it looks like a 75 win team.

  • TeamHasHoles

    Who cares… Saito is 39 with elbow problems. I don’t take issue with the Dodgers parting ways with him. But they do need to bring in a vet or two in the pen, a healthy one closer to 30 than 40 would be better.

  • Brooklyn Dodger

    THH,

    I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on Redding, although I’m not so sure the Dodgers couldn’t do just as well, maybe better, by simply staying within their own organization (Stults, Elbert, Miller, etc.), or even picking up a veteran like Garland (who I don’t love either). Also, I wonder why you would “pay $6 mil more for Tim Redding”, given that the Mets just signed him for $2.25 million, and he made only $1 million last year. Doesn’t seem that the market for his services was all that great.

    I don’t necessarily agree that not signing Redding means “it’s proof positive Manny will be a Dodger”, but I do bellieve that signing Manny is of the utmost importance. A player like Adam Dunn would provide power, and might even make a differnce in winning the West, but don’t get me wrong, Manny he is NOT.

    As for Estes, I agree with you that he would suck in Alburquerque, and also expect that he would also suck in LA. Like every team does every year, I’m sure the Dodgers signed him as veteran insurance that they may be able to stick at AAA in the event of an emergency during the season (same goes for Claudio Vargas). Unless the Dodgers do absolutely nothing else, I disagree with Tony’s assessment that “He’ll have a decent shot of making the club.” And if he should make the club, unless he does a complete turnaround, I doubt if he would stick very long.

    I do agree with your comments concerning Saito. It was nice while it lasted, but a 39 year old with elbow problems is the last thing the Dodgers need. I’m willing to bet on Broxton’s growth, and the continued effectiveness of Wade and Kuo. Adding an EFFECTIVE veteran (as opposed to just a player with the “veteran” label) is also probably desirable. If Elbert and/or McDonald end up playing a role in the bullpen, then that of course raises questions with the starting rotation. Guess we’ll all have to wait and see what happens. I suspect, there is more to come, despite the impatience of some (I’m not referring to you).

  • TeamHasHoles

    BD,

    I didn’t say not signing Redding was a sign we’ll end up with Manny, I said signing (or resorting to signing) Estes is. Estes isn’t even an average pitcher and since you mentioned what little the Mets got him for, I would have taken Redding in a heartbeat over Estes. Knowing how little the Mets paid for Redding now makes me even more clueless as to the Estes signing. If Estes is in the Dodger rotation this year for any reason other than multiple injuries forced it to happen, the Dodgers got some serious issues.

    Agree with all your other comments…

  • Brooklyn Dodger

    THH,

    There is a huge difference between the Estes and Redding contracts. Estes was signed to a minor league deal, and won’t necessarily cost the Dodgers anything. He’s simply insurance. Redding on the other hand signed a big league contract for $2.25 million, which I’m guessing, is guaranteed.

    In my mind they’re both marginal pitchers, and not worth any sort of commitment in $$$$. I also don’t believe the signing of any pitcher will have any effect on whether or not the Dodgers sign Manny. However, I don’t believe they intend to invest any real dollars in marginal talent, especially since they have potential in-house solutions. Besides, pitchers of the Estes/Redding ilk are readily available, so there is no need to commit to players at their talent level without exploring more promising alternatives.

    Finally, although I don’t agree with Boras’ spin that Manny pays for himself, I do believe that he would substantially, if not completely, pay for the diffence in salary between himself and someone like Dunn or Abreu. For that reason alone, I think it would be wise for the Dodgers to get that deal done (unless Boras is still insisting on 4-5 years).