Lombardi's quotes
This thing is a real monster, but if you plug through it, I think you'll find some real interesting stuff, particularly in terms of what Lombardi thinks about the free-agency process, the salaries of young players and the mindset he has in terms of building the Kings. He also gives a solid analysis of each of the four players he picked up today and a look back on what happened yesterday.
That's all tonight, folks. I guess there might be rumblings of talks with Stuart, but even if they're serious I don't think it will pick up again until the morning.
Here's the transcript of Lombardi's conference call...
(Can you take us through the last couple days, getting things done today after yesterday's frustration?)
``I'm pretty happy with the guys we were able to sign and the prices we were able to get. It kind of all fit with where we're trying to go. Yesterday there was so much focus on just a few players. There weren't really a lot of players in play yesterday. We were prepared no matter what, and once everything fell yesterday, then the next group goes. Fortunately we were ready to execute. I'm pretty happy with where we are now, and most importantly we're set up, salary-cap wise, going into the future.''
(It's fairly obvious how Preissing fits in, but how do you see the forwards fitting into the roster?)
``The key guy was the center. Obviously we know Michal very well from Philadelphia. He's a really good, underrated player. This is one of those where you have an advantage. When you see a player every day, like we did with him in Philadelphia... he's a real pro, and this is exactly the type of guy that you want kids to emulate. Handzus did everything. He played hurt.''
``When you look at our first year there, when Philly went to the conference finals, we had a real deep middle. He could fill any role the coach asked him to, and he did it without complaining. He was behind Primeau and Zhamnov and Roenick and he was able to play everywhere. What was really attractive was, when you're there you really get to know a player's character. That was a pretty tough team. There were good players on that team and some old-fashioned players. I remember that he was playing through an injury and the trainer said, `This is by far the toughest Flyer.' And that's a statement. He's a real dependable player. Then last year, he goes to Chicago and he plays on the top line and he's putting up numbers, and then obviously he had his injury.''
``But he's a real versatile player and he gives us size down the middle too. When you've got Kopitar and Handzus, that's a pretty big middle with two pretty good hockey players. That allows us some flexibility on the wing, and one thing too is that a lot of our young players coming through the system are wingers, and I think it's easier to break them in when you have two quality guys like him and Kopitar. Now it drops (Derek Armstrong) into another slot. It's good. Michal might not be the sexy name, so to speak, but people who know hockey really appreciate this guy. He's a pro's pro. He's similar to Visnovsky. They always come focused and prepared. ''
``With Nagy, we put him on a one-year deal. It kind of made sense to do this. Handzus and Nagy were really good in St. Louis when they were first breaking in. We played them in the playoffs when I was with San Jose and they were really good. A lot of times when players know each other and can push each other, it's a pretty good gamble. Nagy's a good hockey player. With what's happened in the last couple years, he's got to rebound, but when you have a guy like Handzus to push him, and since they have played together so well, it kind of made sense. Particularly since Nagy was willing to come in on a one-year deal. It gives you two-thirds of a line there, so you feel pretty good about that. Nagy knows he has to rebound here and I think with Vish and Handzus here, they'll be able to push him.''
``We've got, right now, the makings of two scoring lines and a third line that actually can put up some numbers also. You've got size down the middle and you've got Fro and Brownie with some jam down the wings. Calder plays that Mike Ricci-type game that I love so much. He's another one that needs to rebound, but given the price and the terms, it was worth it. This guy is a good hockey player too and he needs to rebound. These guys all come under that second layer today and we moved quickly. I think we were ready, once the big boys went, so to speak, and I'm glad we did. I got a few calls saying that other people were in on these guys, so I'm glad we moved quickly.''
(How is Handzus' knee?)
``There's something on a Web site that shows him working out. Obviously we had all the doctors exchanging information. I've had both of my ACLs done and they come back 110 percent. There's going to be a little time but Michal was never the (fastest) skater with his size. He's a guy who, if you're around the rink, you're going to appreciate as a pro's pro. But there will probably be a little adjustment period at the beginning.''
(How close did you get with Briere, Gomez and Drury?)
``When Briere went, it was very clear that he wanted to go back East. Quite honestly I'm not prepared -- and it's just my opinion right now -- to put eight-year contracts out there. I think it's risky. It's one of those decisions that you have to make. When you see what happened to a lot of NBA teams that went that route, it's dangerous. That was easy, and like I said I think it was clear that he wanted to go to Philadelphia. We were certainly involved in the other two. I think in Drury's case, you're talking about a kid going back to his hometown. That's tough to overcome. I know he had a house here and everything, but we had enough sources in the Boston area and we knew there was a good chance that he was going to go to his childhood team. And obviously he was paid very well for that, so we would have even had an issue there, whether or not we would have gone that far, to be honest with you.''
``It has nothing to do with the player and nothing to do with the owner's willingness to spend money. You try to put a value on the player, and I think we all like him but at some point you have to say, `Woah.' We were hanging in there, don't get me wrong. It was a long day, but you get feelers as soon as the bell rings. I think a lot of people were fooled by the Manhattan Beach house. His heart was with the Yankees, as we found out. The kid's got one chance in his life to go to his hometown team. I know the feeling. Before I came here, I had the idea of maybe working for the Bruins. It's not an easy thing to overcome.''
``Then on Gomez, again we were in on it. We were probably more involved with the price there. Again, once a player is in the East and all other things are equal... He has his house there in Jersey and he just goes across the river. There's a premium that would have had to have been paid, on top of what the Rangers paid, to give up the travel in the East and his house. So you just have to go to Plan B and stay on the course. We all get excited and you get emotionally involved. It looks good, but every time we ran it, it was on a minimum of a three-year look on where we want to go. I think today we're a better team. The thing I like about what we were able to do today too is that you stabilize. We're going to have probably one of the youngest teams in the minors this year. Last year's team in the minors wasn't very young, just like the team up here. We've got some good hockey players. They're still in that middle group, '79-born, '78-born. We're actually younger via free agency, which is usually odd. It usually doesn't happen that way, but we've positioned ourselves now in terms of bringing the young players in.''
``I'm glad we didn't have to fall to Plan C. Obviously yesterday you looked at the big guys but I'm glad that today we didn't go, `Whoa, Plan B fell apart.' I'm sitting here and I'm looking at cap space in years two and three (2008 and 2009). We'll see how this plays out. Our young players get a chance to grow in the minors. Kopitar and Johnson can grow and then next year we're sitting here, and I'm staring at the numers in years two and three. That's what I'm keeping my eye on. We've got to fill some more (spots) before he get real, real aggressive and strike. We've got to be in position for it.''
(Do you anticipate being done with free agency?)
``I think we're OK. One thing we're looking at is that if these contracts continue to go up, at some point people are going to get boxed in. Actually, you're already hearing the rumors about the Rangers. OK, you did really good, you got those two guys with those contracts, but you're hearing the rumblings out there that now they're vulnerable to an offer sheet on Lundqvist. I'm not saying that it's going to happen or that I'm going to do anything like that. The point is, this whole idea of keeping cap space doesn't really hit home yet. I think that's why you're seeing some of these contracts.''
``When I talk about cap space, I don't think you only want to look at this year. When I'm running these numbers, don't forget that I've got Cammalleri at a number that hopefully is too high. Same with Kopi in year three. It makes no sense to go out and add all these guys, then Kopitar is up in 2009 and we can't sign him. Then we're just spinning our wheels and then we're vulnerable to an offer sheet. That stuff is going to start happening at some point. Again, we've got our work to do here, to build, and we have to stay smart. If you're a really good team, you only have to go to the (free-agent) market for one or two guys. The pickings got dry in a hurry. When you're seeing a player go for $7 million, part of that is that there just aren't a lot of good players. Now you're seeing everybody's Plan B being executed today.''
``I think we're OK right now. I might look at one other thing, and then we certainly have the flexibility going forward after this year.''
(Can you talk a little bit about Preissing?)
``What he brings is something I think we're lacking. He makes plays. He's a right(-handed) shot that I think will help us with our puck movement. With the forwards we've added, one thing about them is that they're all capable of making plays and playing in traffic. Our foot speed maybe isn't ideal. In the back end, we'll have Johnson for the whole year. We're working on getting Visnovsky signed long term and you add Preissing. Those are three pretty good puck movers and I think that will improve us over last year in terms of making plays. And I'd even mention Blake, who I still think is going to be a good player. With Preissing, the right shot is hard to find and he's a good first passer.''
(Have you started the contract process with Cammalleri and Visnovsky?)
``With Cammalleri, no, we haven't started. Here's another thing that complicates things. When you get tempted to throw the $7-million contracts out there, what has happened in this system is something I don't think we anticipated. That is, young players getting a lot more money than under the old system. Under the old system, you were able to keep your kids down, at least in the first five years of their career unless they held out, and that was another issue.''
``What's happened, because of free agency at (age) 27, you're starting to see more and more contracts like the Nathan Horton contract. It started with the Rick Nash contract, more and more of this thing. I'm not a big fan of this. Guys who haven't won anything are now commanding big dollars. It doesn't make sense for us to be looking to add players if we can't keep the young players that have come through the system and turned into good players. I've got some numbers penciled in for him, and for Kopitar in 2009 and 2010, and they seem to be changing daily. This is my biggest problem with the system, and I think it's not good for the game, with the kids getting all this money. Under the old system, seniority seemed to matter a little more, and now it's kind of going the other way. But this is something we have to deal with. The one thing you at least have is the arbitration process, which nobody is a big fan of. Obviously that's unpredictable.''
``In Visnovsky's case, I think the Timonen contract threw everybody for a little loop. It's hard to figure out, because over eight years there's a cap number and there's a cash number. You're talking about a guy who makes plays and puts up numbers. That impacted the market. I think the market has stabilized a little now, with Rafalski in. We're going to continue to work on Vish, and I think with Handzus and Nagy here, I think it's going to make it more attractive to him. I know we had Jeff (Solomon) talking to him today. It's been on-again, off-again. Once this is done here, it becomes the priority, to get him signed long term. He's a good player that I would like to keep.''
(With you bringing in two quality wingers, what does it mean for some of the younger guys, like perhaps O'Sullivan, who might have filled those roles?)
``This is the way it should be. When you talk about stabilizing a roster, when I look at our minor-league team next year, it will be radically different from last year. It's one thing to have success in the minors on the scoreboard, but to have a team -- and I've said this before and got in trouble -- I'm much more excited to see that our lineup down there is going to be filled with young players. I look at a different scorecard there. For years in Cleveland, we were lucky to make the playoffs, but we were playing young players consistently. That's how they eventually come through your system.''
``We got quality veterans. These guys aren't old; they're in their primes. If a kid comes in, he's got to earn the job. It's not like the job is yours. And that's the way it should be. And that's how you end up making your roster better. A kid comes in, he proves he can do the job and he's paid his dues, and that allows you to trade the player he's replacing and fill another hole. That's how you make your roster better through trades. It's not out-foxing the other GM. It's making a deal to fill a hole and not create a hole. In order to do that, you have to have a setup like this. If there's a job open, you're going to have to earn it. That's a little different than last year. When I talk about stabilizing a roster, that's one thing that's not always evident, but that's always what I'm looking at. You look at the ages on that team in the minors, and it's going to be very different than it was last year.''
(Can you talk about why you did the Modry deal? And did you consider going after Bertuzzi?)
``I think the way the game has gone, and with the ability to make some plays, it's a good filler. We'll see how it works out. Bertuzzi, no. That's an interesting one. On one hand, it got a little rocky with him and Marc (Crawford) in Vancouver but on the other hand, Bertuzzi said he's the best coach he's ever had. I'm not sure where to go with that. But no, we weren't in on the Bertuzzi thing.''
Once again Rich, you are the freakin' MAN. Thanks a million!
Awesome stuff Rich. Thanks.
Fantastic stuff, Rich. Thanks again. I sure hope Sully is ready to bust his ass in camp, because it sure looks like he could be back in Manchester if he doesn't.
Rich,
Thanks so much. You're the best thing to happen to Kings' fans since Helene Elliott. Keep up the great work.
Taking a long train ride tomorrow... you just made it easier on me Rich! Give me something to kill the time.
Appreciate your hard work and dedication the last few days!
Great job, as always Rich. I'm glad DL came in and put everything in perspective. I have complete faith in him and I really think he has this team headed in the right direction.
Great work Rich. I love hearing from DL how things happen. He has his eyes on the big prize and that makes me a very happy Kings fan. He makes a lot of good points when talking about the future and signing the kids. He managed to improve this team and be ready to keep our core intact when it's time to keep Kopi and Cammi around. DL has proven his worth to me, so far.
Yesterday was frustrating but I am glad he did not sign Scott Gomez to a 7 year 7.15M contract. That's Joe Thornton money and Scott Gomez is no Joe Thornton. 13 goals, 47 assist...7.15m a year...good grief. Not worth it. Not saying that his number will not go up, they will but I don't see them improving enough to justify Joe Thornton type money. Any way good moves by DL today and great work Rich getting us the inside info. Your work is really appreciated.
THIS is the kind of stuff that creates loyalty among your fanbase Dean. NEVER deviate from this. This was/is spectacular insight that makes me as a fan, feel like a part of the process. Knowing the real story about what goes down so I never have to speculate. Of course you need your secrets, but when things play out, DISH! It's what we live for.
I really appreciate the frankness Dean and as it continues, you will have my loyalty. When it leads to a cup, you'll have my heart-felt thanks.
I've always wanted to see a 'Dynasty' type team in LA. I hope you can build one for us. We were promised it a few times over the years, so we're always leery. We've learned to wait, the insight will make it easier. You and Rich have a great thing going here, planned or not. Plain & simple: Keep it going.
Thanks-
Thanks Rich for the good read. Interesting insight into what has happened the last couple of days. Should be an interesting summer.
Deano is like a hot chick with an annoying voice, You try to hate him but you cant.
Please thank DL for this it will stop the conspiracy posts on the HF boards(LOL).If this doesn't show a clear path to contending and not just reacting to what others do than Kings fans are as dumb as others say we are.. lol... again thanks for all your xtra work
WoW!!! Aren't you glad you're not in DL's shoes..... And he still didn't get into the fine tuning, look at all the items he has to have on his plate and on top of that he has to have all of the guys pretty darn close to being happy.... "All of the time" When you read items like this you wonder how in the heck these guys were GM's AND coaches back a few years. Just can't happen in todays game. Bravo to you DL, thank you and thank you Rich. Any sneak previews about the "BIG" spot?? You know it's 6 foot by 4 foot. Thanks again.
Thanks, Rich! Glad to see that Lombardi and crew were prepared even beyond today.
I absolutely love that he put all of the NHL Elite Goalies on alert by offering Hasek a contract. It doesn't matter if he signs or not (I think he won't), but it does announce that the Kings are serious about getting solid goaltending, so come and talk with us.
Thanks, DL. Thanks, Rich.
What's this about Hasek?? Please tell me you are referring another source besides Eklund....
great stuff..
one prediction ....the phrase we have "cap space for year two or three" will NEVER go away...
two years from now we'll be hearing, "yeah things went great, it's a better team which is good and since we let lubo, brown, and frolov go, we've got CAP SPACE for year two or three"
Brent, where did you hear about the Hasek contract? I havent heard anything about that.
Thanks for being so thorough, it's nice to have a better understanding of the reasoning behind the team's moves.
Let's put it this way. The same source that has the Kings pushing hard for Hasek is the same one that has them pushing hard for Souray, a player I was told on Friday they're not interested in.
Rich,
Once again, thank you - I hope you used Dragon NaturallySpeaking Version 8 to translate all of that (If you haven't, it'll be the best 99 bucks you ever invested)
16 days ago, I said we'd be disappointed, and I was right. Its not Dean's style.
I had guys send me Private Messages saying "yoo wanted Dean! You got him! Now you're stuck with him!"
After the emotion of yesterday and everything Dean has said to YOU in the past led me to believe he would make these kind of moves.
I'm still surprised about Hannan, but glad we got Preissing. Handzus is VERY underrated and thank the good lord we don't have to watch Armstrong on the 2nd line anymore.
Nagy? We'll see. Once a Jozef Stumpel, always a Jozef Stumpel. If we're out of the playoffs, he could be good trade bait.
Calder? I hope it means that Willsie's days are numbered. That guy is awful.
Modry? Well, we have our whipping boy for the year.
If he signs Hasek, we'll be competitive for the next few years.
Dean did a solid job today. I'd still rather have Sutton than Stuart, but that's just me.
Thanks again, Rich.
Great insight into the decisions DL made the last couple of days Rich. He said what I mentioned in an earlier post - to not get caught up in the emotion of the day. It's hard as we all want the Kings to succeed but those contracts to the big three didn't fit into the Kings plans. None of those 3 would have helped us make the playoffs or sold more tix. Would you actually buy a ticket to specifically go see any of those 3 guys play? I seriously doubt it.
I agree with his philosophy of the team in Manchester - who cares (other than Monarchs fans) if they win the Calder Cup? The minor league team's goal should be to produce NHL-ready players.
Here is the source that I read earlier:
http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44327
Obviously, Rich would know better than I would. I stand corrected.
Brent...it's no knock on you. It's just that anyone can put something on the Internet. The Detroit News says Hasek isn't interested in playing for any team other than the Wings. Things can change but I'd be stunned if they did.
Rich -
Thank you for your excellent site. We long suffering Kings fans have been starved of information for so long by the media outlets in this town that it almost seems like a mirage.
Keep up the good work - it is very much appreciated...
Totally agree with Paincorp- it's so much easier to deal w/potentially confusing situations when we've got: a) a journalist who actually gives a flying flip, knows something about hockey, has access, interacts w/the fans, etc; and: b) a GM who is willing to give the straight talk and put out the reasoning for his moves. Agree or disagree w/DL (and it's had to disagree often when you hear his rationale, Cloutier and McAuley notwithstanding), the guy gets big points w/Kings fans for giving insight into his process. Makes being patient a lot easier...
I'll admit I wanted Drury and Hannan, but I do think - now that I understand it better - we did okay today. I suppose it makes sense, when the big guys want to go to teams that have winning traditions, that sometimes you've got to take on reclamation projects- guys who have something to prove, like Calder, Nagy and even Preissing (given his actual minutes in the playoffs), as well as underrated guys like Handzus. Where the rubber meets the road is in picking the RIGHT reclamations, and helping them to succeed; and THAT'S where we'll really get a sense of how Dean did/does, IMO.
Many thanks again, Rich- you are a godsend for Kings fans. And repeating Paincorp again, this is how you build a relationship with fans.
Amazing work.
Thank you, Rich!
Wow! I'm completely blown away by this interview.
I've been a big Lombardi fan since his San Jose days.
I've always loved his candidness.
I wonder what Plan C was?
Thanks Rich.
It's nice to see that DL has a plan and is sticking to it. It's also great to know that we are not going to be boxed in by the salary cap in a couple of years.
Do you guys notice that Rich posted a comment at almost MIDNIGHT?
Thanks a million, Rich!! It is beautiful that we have someone covering the Kings that actually gives a hoot. It brings a tear to my eye.
I'll go with annoying chick with the hot voice...
He definitely strays from the usual cliches, but he's not really doing anything but manipulating fans into believing he's on top of it.
Re: Handzus - Personally, I'm happy with it, but he's already setting us up for some potentially rocky rehabilitation with his "but there probably will be a period of adjustment at the beginning." If he had said that on Alyn McCauley, I might have laughed even harder. I hope the guy is healthy, because I do believe he brings a lot to the table.
Of course he's right about the numbers in terms of the young players in the NHL, but if you don't give the Rick Nash type players the world, they leave because agents and players have no allegiance in the 21st Century. Those players are what keep asses in the seats, and yes, Columbus and many other franchises in this fragile NHL need the base to support the existence of the team.
LA has a good corporate base, as we have seen from the paid attendance numbers vs. the huge pockets of empty seats (predominantly the PR sections) that littered Staples Center on most nights during the Kings dismal 06-07 season.
I'm looking forward to a more competitive team next year, but all the second tier guys in the world aren't going to move this team much past the top of the bottom tier next season.
Now, a goaltender that can steal games... that changes everything!
Does someone know something I don't ? - Today, Wikipedia lists Brad Stuart as an NHL hockey player that currently plays for the Los Angeles Kings! Did something happen??
wow... i just saw it too..
that would be fun if it's wikipedia that breaks the news... hehehe
that would mean that someone related to Brad jumped the gun and thought no one would notice...
woops!
Paincorp and ElGuapo have said it all very well. It is very exciting watching this team develop, more than at ANY time in the past. We are on the right track thanks to Dean Lombardi. We have an excellent core of young players, better depth at the NHL level with the four new guys, Hockey's Future has our prospects rated the best in the league and people like Rich Hammond and all the fans like us, responding to his blog, HFBoards, LGK, etc., show everyone the amazing passion there is for this team. The Los Angeles Kings will win the Stanley Cup! And I truly believe we are all helping to make this happen.
"Does someone know something I don't ? - Today, Wikipedia lists Brad Stuart as an NHL hockey player that currently plays for the Los Angeles Kings! Did something happen??"
Hey, don't mean to be offensive, or insulting, BUT, it is Wikipedia. The same site that had a posting of Chris Benoit's wife being dead, way before she was found dead.
What I'm saying is that anyone, and everyone can alter anything on Wikipedia. Just because it there, doesn't mean it's true.
Although I hope it is. :)
Can't anyone go in and edit Wikipedia? Lame.
i realize it's probably not true but regarding the wikipedia thing... what I meant was that probably one of brad's relatives or a relative of his agent's changed the page...
or some knob from the flames fan club wanting him gone
Well, it's still a possibility that it's true. Afterall, Brad Isbister's NHL PLayer page had him as a member of the Vancouver Canucks the day before it was officially announced.
Check out kuklaskorner.com
At any rate, I understand that Wikipedia might not have as much credibility as NHL.com when it comes to these types of things, but, who knows?
Garon is gone, signed by the Oilers to a 2 year deal. I wonder if we should have signed him to a 1 year deal and tried to trade him? Any way good luck to him, hopefully when he gets his shot at the #1 he doesn't blow it like he did here. He is going to be a great back up. I really liked his playing when he was not over worked.
Great job again, Rich.
Thanks!!
Well, we all knew this was happening before. . .but now Garon is officially a goner!!!
http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/232030
the Wikipedia thing turned out to be multiple people playing games - they have had Stuart with the Kings, then the Sharks, then the Kings ... The latest is, he is "currently a member of the Long Beach Ice Dogs". :(
Hey rich,
thanks a lot for all you do!! jonsin for any news at all about the kings i hear that we obtained stuart. It must be true its on the kings website. Cant wait for confirmation. It would be no small feat if it comes true though. GO GO deano if you pull that rabitt outa the hat i'll dig ya for quite a while. Me love you long time GIjoe yah yah!!!