Numbers game

Rich and others,

Everyone should rely on and use http://www.NHLSCAP.COM , that is "Irish Blue's" web-site from Hockey's Future and he gets his #'s right from Dean Lombardi himself so we know they're 100% correct.
The other site nhlnumbers.com has some wrong info and $#'s, while it looks nice it's not 100% accurate.

As for were the Kings sit Salary Cap wise, Using the info from WWW.NHLSCAP.COM ...

2007-2008 Los Angeles Kings CAP #'s
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23 Player Roster MAX

1. Blake ($6.0 M)
2. Handzus ($4.0 M)
3. Nagy ($3.75 M)
4. Stuart ($3.5 M)
5. Cammalleri ($3.35 M)
6. Cloutier ($3.1 M)
7. Frolov ($2.9 M)
8. Calder ($2.75 M)
9. Preissing ($2.75 M)
10. Johnson ($2.15 M)
11. Visnovsky ($1.824 M)
12. Brown ($1.175 M)
13. Armstrong ($1.5 M)
14. Thornton ($1.5 M)
15. Modry ($1.2 M)
16. Kopitar ($955,867)
17. O'Sullivan ($850,800)
18. Willsie ($850,000)
19. LaBarbera ($825,000)
20. Zeiler ($568,750)
21. Dallman ($477,500)
22. Ivannas ($475,000)
+ Alyn McCauley's buyout ($666,667) 'til 2011
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about = $ 46.3 Mil Total Guys {of $50.3 Million MAX Salary CAP}

PLUS STILL TO ADD IN ONE OF

23. Harrold (RFA but MQO = $719,250)
24. Richard Petiot (RFA but MQO = $627,000)
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So about a little under $4 Mil REMAINING for our RFA Guys {MQO's = $1,346,250 Mil}, and other extras.

Don't forget Alyn McCauley's buyout ($666,667) will stay on the books 'til 2011 !

YES ... Oleg Tverdovsky's ($2.5 M) IS off the books ... signed w/ RUSSIAN team*

On NHLSCAP.COM, Zizka is still listed. What ever happened to him? Did he leave during the lockout? I remember thinking he'd be a solid guy.

Why would he still be listed?

Thanks

I'm not a capologist, but doesn't the number for Visnosky ned to be higher, maybe over $5 mil? He signed a 5 yr extension and the avg of that entire contract divided by seasons becomes his cap #.

Rich,

I am pretty the guy who runs that site includes ALL potential bonuses for his cap hit pages. Therefore, those are the max.

The team's "Daily Average Salary" will be readjusted once the bonus is no longer attainable.

Johnson's cap hit is lower than his salary + bonuses probably due to the fact he agreed to his contract too late, and the bonuses were not attainable at the time the contract was signed, and therefore his cap hit for last season was 850K. (2.8 + 2.8 + .850)/3 = 2.15.

I also think the Kings will carry 21/22 players for a majority of the season. Saves some cap room.

No One

Crash,

An extension in considered a "new" contract that is effective once the current contract expires. Since this is the last year of his old contract, the cap hit for Visnovsky is still $1.824.

For the 08/09 season, his number goes up to $5.65M

No One

Thanks No One for pointing out the rules of extensions. I didn't know that. What a smart way to go for everyone: the player gets locked up for many seasons more + the team doesn't have the extension kick in until "after" the old contract expires. Cool.

It amazes me how many different cap totals for this team I've seen at LGK, HF, and now here. It's like we all differently-working calculators.

Here they are, plain and simple. Players are the ones almost sure to be on the opening day roster, numbers are from NHLscap.

FORWARDS $24,575,417
Michal Handzus $4,000,000
Ladislav Nagy $3,750,000
Michael Cammalleri $3,350,000
Alexander Frolov $2,900,000
Kyle Calder $2,700,000
Derek Armstrong $1,500,000
Scott Thornton $1,500,000
Dustin Brown $1,175,000
Anze Kopitar $ 955,867
Patrick O'Sullivan $ 850,800
Brian Willsie $ 850,000
John Zeiler $ 568,750
Raitis Ivanans $ 475,000

DEFENSEMEN $17,901,500
Rob Blake $6,000,000
Brad Stuart $3,500,000
Tom Preissing $2,750,000
Jack Johnson $2,150,000
Lubomir Visnovsky $1,824,000
Jaroslav Modry $1,200,000
Kevin Dallman $ 477,500

GOALIES/BUY-OUT $4,591,667
Dan Cloutier $3,100,000
Jason Labarbera $ 825,000
Alyn McCauley $ 666,667

Cap total: $47,068,584

3.23M remaining.

Alex...I think it's more a matter of not agreeing on which players will be on the roster. If you take my numbers and subtract Brady Murray, you get your numbers.

With the team starting the season in Europe, I'd be surprised to see them carrying fewer than 23, but I could be wrong. I don't know how the rules will work, in terms of roster cutdowns while they have training camp/exhibitions in Europe...

I have sent Mr. Modesti an email...

"Please keep Rich Hammond a King!!!"

I only bet that he wishes my email was that short...hahaha :)

Oh I agree we'll carry 23. I just don't want to put Murray in there until we have some assurance. I'm just looking at what we know for sure. I've posted that list one 2 or 3 other sites, and I've mentioned (but forgot to here) that those 3.2M will/should be partly used for another reserve forward. Though someone mentioned that the 23rd stop could go to Harrold with Dallman doubling as a reserve forward.

Had quite a revelation today. At around the same time I received an e-mail response from the sports editor from a certain local newspaper, and around the same time I was re-reading an article by Frank Rich from WAY back in 2005 (about Dan Rather and the late author Hunter S. Thompson), I received in the mail a package of books by HST.

Mr. Rich’s article was about the recent physical and metaphorical passing of both HST and the journalist Dan Rather, respectively. The key point in Mr. Rich’s article was this: “What's missing from News is the news.”

The reason this was such a revelation to me was caused by the response I had received from the local sports editor. When asked why his paper did not carry a blog about the L.A. Kings, his response was, “As you know, there are passionate Kings fans here, just not enough of them. Our web site people have done surveys and found very little interest in a Kings blog, not enough to justify the cost.
Best wishes.”

Now, that makes business sense (to some) but it does not make journalistic sense. I think that it is safe to say that most ‘journalists’ today are more interested in branding themselves than they are branding their stories. Branding a story means that one uses a certain artistry to convey a story. HST and Mr. Rather branded their stories, to various degrees. Sure, the branding of stories had a diminishing effect on true investigative reporting but it did help break through the cliquishness of the press corps of the era. I believe that Mr. Hammond’s branding of his stories (er, actual research and human communication) has cut through the cliquishness of today’s brand’s self-referential branding of itself.

DL has stated a # of times one of the mistakes the Kings made at the start of last season was not carrying 3 goalies for awhile just in case Cloutier wasn't ready to go physically or professionally. (He wasn't.) They sent JLB to Manchester and couldn't bring him back up to the Kings for fear of losing him via waivers.

Do you think the Kings also carry Erik Ersberg at the start of THIS season as a precaution? Or - since he is on an entry level contract (signed 5/31/07) - do they send him back and forth to Manchester (as needed) without waiver snafus, thus allowing him game experience in the AHL rather than sitting in the press box at Staples (as third goalie)? Eventhough he was a top SEL goaltender, he is technically an NHL rookie.

I bring this up, because it might also factor into the CAP situation. Albeit Ersberg isn't making huge bucks. (Any one know his contract size?)

I think we all have our favorite sites for this project, mine - http://www.nhlnumbers.com/lak.html

I tend to like the way they organize and take the days into account (as you must if you are going to calculate accurately).

To each his own....

Crash...Lombardi has since changed his mind about the need to carry three goalies, and I believe Hextall has publicly said the same as well. I'm sure that would change if something odd happened in camp, but that's the plan for now...

Also, Ersberg is exempt from waivers, so he be brought up and sent back as needed.

Since we're posting links, it looks like NHL.com actually remembered that there's a team in LA...

They did a little eval on the Kings top prospects:

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=335791

Does anyone here think that Erik Ersberg can take a shot at the roster? He was voted the no 1 goalie in the swedish leauge last season, maybe the best league in europe. And he got the chance to play a game in the world cup, unfortunately against russia where he let 4 goals past him, but according to the critics he made a really good game.

What are your thoughts? You experts... ;-)