Lombardi quote

Here’s a released quote from Kings GM Dean Lombardi about the trade:

“It’s never easy to give up a player of Lubo’s caliber, but for the direction of this franchise, this exchange allows us to add two players who fit the long-term vision for this team,” Lombardi said. “We appreciate Lubo’s service and outstanding play these last seven years in Los Angeles. He was not only a great player for us, but a class act.”

That’s expected to be the only comment from Lombardi tonight. Lombardi, Stoll and Greene will be available for comment tomorrow.

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  • Shakes

    goodbye LuboCookie. R.I.P.

  • anthony

    Good for him.
    Lubo is not worth over $5 Million.
    Not by a long shot.

    Now that our Blueline is starting to look better, does anybody, other than myself, believe that we don’t really need Rob Blake.

    Last year, those two were the worst players on the entire team.

  • Anonymous

    I have never been a huge fan for Blake, but I think he will probably sign with the Kings and will probably be better than he was last year, which was obviously a trainwreck for him and the Kings. The other thing about Blake is about how he is used. Perhaps if he’s not counted on to shut down the other team’s top line, he will have a better season. Anyway, for the right price, Blake could be good for the kids. On the other hand, no Blake and instead Orpik would be better… IN any case, I will be shocked if he doesn’t re-sign.

  • Just wondering

    I like the trade. It was best to part ways with Lubo. Agree that Blake had a bad (horrible) season, but he played better toward the end of the year as he progressed in his recovery from injury. He’s a proud warrior who I’m sure doesn’t want to end his career with last season’s whimper. If he comes back and is used correctly (which is now entirely possible with Crawford drinking mai-tai’s on the beach in Maui), then a 1-year deal might make sense. If a couple youngsters make the squad at the blue line, then things could be looking up next season.

  • Garrett

    I don’t get this trade one bit. Lubo has been great for years and had one bad season so Lombardi sends him packing right after giving him a long contract with a no-trade clause? What the hell? Lubo should be pissed and Lombardi should be ashamed. You don’t trade a guy two days before the NTC you gave him goes into effect!

    I also don’t get it in the sense that Lubo was the Kings’ best (only?) offensive defenseman and filled that all important role of a puck-moving defenseman, something that is very hard to find. Now they don’t have that. Yes they have another young defenseman but at some point you have enough young defensemen and you need veterans (like Lubo). Where does Lombardi expect to put all these d-men anyway? Johnson, Hickey, Doughty, Greene, Teubert, Harrold, Martinez, Preissing. And I know I’m forgetting others. I know you have to have a lot of young players to see who develops but doesn’t it seem now like Lombardi is neglecting the forward corps while building the defense?

    The future may prove me wrong but I think this was a very stupid move. Lombardi just gave one of the teams the Kings should be competing with for the bottom tier of playoff teams an important piece of their puzzle and I have a feeling it could be one of those moves that really comes back to bite them in the ass.

    Not to mention that Lubo was one of the most popular players on the team!

  • Marc Nathan

    Well, I think it’s great… Edmonton gets the best individual player, but the Kings get a hell of a lot younger, and tougher on the blueline, and with Doughty, Hickey and Johnson in a year or so, it would be hard to say that a 33-34 year old Visnovsky is a good fit. Greene is BIG and uses his body… that will be an interesting addition to the defense. Stoll has had a couple of down years, but should benefit from playing solid minutes and with some top 6 linemates. Even if they move him at the deadline (because you know this team is going to stink more often than not…) it will be for a strong asset at draft time, and that will only bode well for the future. Then again, he might really find a home here, and the payroll will justify his signing if that’s the direction they go come mid-season.

    All in all, there’s no downside to this deal at all.

  • Quisp

    Doughty / Greene
    Blake / Johnson
    (UFA TBD) / Preissing
    Harrold

    Hickey (’09) and Doughty are the speedy offensive D’s of the future (therefore no need for Lubo), Teubert will be the new Blake but probably not this year, Martinez — who knows… maybe this year even — he could duke it out with Preissing and Harrold. Blake will be good for the kids. One more year for him.

    Signing Orpik would be deadly in a good way for the Kings, but Stuart would also be good, I think. I didn’t like him last fall but liked him more and more until of course he was released to his cup tour.

  • old man

    I`ve always agreed with you on Blake.I would rather have Vis than Blake but that`s not our call. At least we`re going in the right direction.If we sign one more good defense man i`ll be very happy.Looking forward to a better season. Go Kings! This Blog is in response to Anthony.

  • Anonymous

    Blake wants to stay and go the front office like Luc.

  • MrBrett7

    This trade hinges on the health of Stoll. If he is healthy, Lombardi did three things with this trade.

    1. Fixed the problem with our #2 center position, and allows Boyle to not have to rush into that roll.

    2. Upgraded the defense immediately with Green. He was growing quickly in Edmonton, is a mean cuss, is rather large, and both he and Stoll with help the penalty kill.

    3. Got that albatross of a contract away from his neck.

    I liked Lubo, always did, but at 32, he wasn’t a part of the future of this club. I wish him all the luck in Edmonton.

  • Anonymous

    I dont like this at ALL. I can deal with Vis getting traded, but this looks a bit lopsided to me.

  • Shakes

    my luboCookie comment aside, I think this is a great trade. I’ve seen Stoll a few times and any guy who’s captained a Canadian national team before and is still young is a good character move in my view…plus he’s talented too, scores on the powerplay and does the PK as well

    we’ll see about Greene, but he is big (6’3, 233…by the way it’s incredible how Wikipedia already has him as a King now) and I like that. i think Blake gets signed to a 1yr deal and suddenly we have room to play with to properly sign extensions for KopiStar, Sully, and maybe a free agent or two without going past the mid-point of the salary cap floor and ceiling (which realistically would be a wishful view of how much we spend on salaries)

    suddenly the blueline feels like there is some great competition amongst some young kids for a spot. Having Stuart back with Blake might give the right mix of experience + youth.

    Me likey. Now if we only can make sure at least ONE of the goalies comes through…

  • DellaNooch

    I believe Lubo might have had a no trade clause, that would have taken effect on July 1st, hence the reason we didn’t get great value for him. Make no mistake about Stoll, he’s coming off an equally bad season in edmonton and their fans have wanted him traded for months. I hope he rebounds in LA…I know nothing about Greene, but if he is a hard hitting defenseman, then good move.

    As for Blake, you need to resign him, he’s been a very successful defenseman in the NHL and will service as a good mentor for the very young defense that we have. I agree with putting him out there against the second line of our opponents, he’ll probably see more success this season.

    Signing Orpik would be great, Commodore wouldn’t be a bad pick up either.

    Good luck Lubo, thanks for all your good years (which was every one but the last)

  • Jonny

    Garrett?
    How is Lombardi Neglecting our forwards while working on D?? He potentially just filled our second line hole with a younger guy that wins faceoffs, works the point on power plays and has good playoff experience.

  • Sydor25

    Just so everyone is clear, Stoll is NOT a #2 center. He is a 3rd line center with good faceoff skills. We now have Handzus, Armstrong, Stoll and Boyle battling for the 3rd and 4th line.

    Hopefully, Boyle can be a legitimate 2nd line center, or the Kings will be in for another top 5 pick.

  • tc

    This is probably the Lombardi deal I like most. I loed Lubo, but you got 2 players who can help and address needs- particularly Greene adding grit on the blueline.

    I like it.

  • Sydor25

    Just so everyone is clear, Stoll is NOT a #2 center. He is a 3rd line center with good faceoff skills. We now have Handzus, Armstrong, Stoll and Boyle battling for the 3rd and 4th line.

    Hopefully, Boyle can be a legitimate 2nd line center, or the Kings will be in for another top 5 pick.

  • Quisp

    Don’t be surprised to see Handzus turn out to be the #2 center. Stoll third line center. Boyle fourth line.

    Now I’m REALLY wondering who might be signed as a UFA forward… I’m almost kind of sort of expecting it to be … Demitra.

    Brown/Kopitar/O’Sullivan
    (UFA: Demitra?)/Handzus/Frolov
    Purcell/Stoll/Calder (Richardson)
    Moulson/Boyle/Ellis
    Ivanans

  • DellaNooch

    I have a feeling Demitra might be coming back as well, he played well with Fro and if Handzus rebounds, that could be a good second line, just don’t sign him to any long term contract, he’s got the injury bug

  • Quisp

    Does anyone else get the feeling that Derek Armstrong is not going to be playing for the Kings in October? I get that he’s good in the room and good for the kids and all, but in order for there to be room for him you have to assume that Purcell Moulson and Boyle are not going to all make it. Especially now with Stoll in the mix. And especially if you think the Kings are going to sign one forward UFA. I forget, does Army play wing? I assume he does. Maybe he’ll be the 14th guy, sitting in the press box. Maybe he’s the new Tim Watters, the vet who gets sent down to the minors to start the season and then gets called up when the inevitable injuries happen.

    Or am I crazy?

  • JamesB

    I was wondering why Hickey was drafted and Visnovsky was given a long extension since they seem to be in the same role (smallish, puck moving pp d-men). I think Hickey might see time very soon with the Kings. If it works out great, but I really think that the kings are looking for another top five pick for next year.

  • AmaysnKingsfan

    I don’t like the fact that there was 2 days for a NTC to kick in when this move was made. I don’t think it speaks well for the class and intgerty of the organization when you go back on your word like this. I think It makes the Kings look bad and might hurt them when signing a free agent. Is this how we treat our players who have givin us their all for so many years. Ship him out right when he’s going to reap the reward of all his hard work. If this was your plan then don’t put in the NTC. I agree that his contract was a bit nuch but who’s fault is that? it’s DL not Lubo’s. And then to undercut him like that just when he thinks he secure is a bit unclassy. I might like the trade other wise but the Kings already look bad in the class department with the whole CLouts fiasco and now with this it is a good thing we are not really in the FA market because who would wanna come here if this is the way we treat out players.

  • Quisp

    I meant, can army play wing as well as center…

    The upside of Demitra is he’s old but not too old, so he can play for a year until Simmonds is ready and Purcell and Moulson and Boyle creep up to the second line.

    I’m not saying I like this Demitra idea. But I see the logic behind it, if it happens. What I really want is for it to be the season after next, NOW.

  • -J

    You can’t overlook the leadership angle with this trade- Greene captained North Dakota to the NCAA finals, Stoll captained Canada to the WJC finals in 2002 (Cammi was also on that team BTW) and served as an alternate in EDM. Lubo was alternate for LA this year, but to me, it never seemed like he was cut out for this, and even less so now with the youth movement.

  • Quisp

    I don’t see how it’s unclassy. He couldn’t possibly have thought he was secure after the season he had (and all the talk about trading him). And he still “reaps the reward for all his hard work.” The reward is his contract. Which we just traded. That’s not going back on your word. That’s taking care of business.

    I don’t even really have a problem with DL giving him the big contract. That was well-deserved, given the season he just had. But of course then he freaked out, the pressure of the big contract, etc… Whatever. The truth (probably) is that we gave him what we had to give him (big contract, many years) because that’s what the situation commanded, and now we traded him because that’s what the situation commanded. He’s an old-ish, small-ish defenseman with a big contract coming off a bad year. And DL is supposed to not trade him because he’s a nice guy? And what about next year, with Hickey and Doughty both ready? Are we going to have three speedy offensive defensemen? No. We’re going to have:

    Doughty, Hickey, Teubert, Greene, Martinez, Johnson, maybe Preissing, maybe Harrold, maybe some UFA we haven’t signed yet.

    The Lubo trade is the best indication YET that DL believes Doughty will step right in and it will be a big deal.

  • Quisp

    J,

    That’s a really good point about Stoll and Greene both being past captains.

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely horrible trade. Lombardi has no freaking idea what he is doing. An all-star defensmen for a mush-brained 3rd liner and a 3rd pair goon. Just fantastic.

  • -J

    AmaysnKingsfan (and any other fan thinking this affects FA prospects)-

    “Is this how we treat our players who have givin us their all for so many years”

    This is a business and trades happen all the time. It comes with the territory. How many guys in this league play their whole career with one team? Not many, and those that do are way more indispensible to their team than Lubo was to the Kings.

    “Ship him out right when he’s going to reap the reward of all his hard work. If this was your plan then don’t put in the NTC”

    Yeah, I’m sure Dl said, I’m going to sign Vis to a contract and trade him just before his NTC goes into effect. Seriously?? Besides, just because a NTC is in a contract doesn’t mean a player can’t be traded- many players on crappy teams waive their NTC to go elsewhere. How do you know that DL didn’t ask Lubo ahead of the trade, even though he didn’t need to? You don’t.

    “And then to undercut him like that just when he thinks he secure is a bit unclassy.”

    You’re off if you think Vis deserves to feel secure after last year, and I highly doubt that he feels like the Kings undercut him.

    “I might like the trade other wise but the Kings already look bad in the class department with the whole CLouts fiasco and now with this it is a good thing we are not really in the FA market because who would wanna come here if this is the way we treat out players.”

    Last i checked, both Clouts and Vis are going to get paid pretty handsomely for signing with the Kings. And trading a player is not a unclassy thing to do.

  • DellaNooch

    Is it classy to get a huge contract and then immdiately play terrible, thus making your GM look stupid for signing you to a big long term contract with a NTC?

    Quisp put it best, the situation called for it, it was a business decision…every player in the league knows they might get traded when they have a bad season and a big contract, it’s not going to stop any FA from coming to LA…the fact that we’re still early in a rebuild will keep them away though

  • AmaysnKingsfan

    I think it is going back on your word IMHO. It was one bad year and i fully expect Lubo to bring it around this year and if you hadn’t noticed a lot of kings had bad years last year. If a player has played well for you for 7 some odd years and has one bad year you give him the benefit of the doubt. And If you plan on trading a guy don’t give him NTC. i think we could have gotten more for him at the deadline with no contract then going this route and have not looked bad doing it. If you give a guy a NTC then don’t trade him unless he says it’s okay. otherwise don’t give it to him. Sure he still gets the money but now has to move and has to readjust to a new team. If I’m Lubo when i signed this contract i go buy a house in LA to celebrate because i’m here for 5 more years with a NTC well that house would be back on the market. You can still take care of business with out being heartless. We would not be keeping him because he’s a nice guy we would be keeping him cause he is a good defenseman and has played well for us. If 1 year has blinded you then you will see what i’m talking about when we play Edmonton next year.

    If it wasn’t for the fact we promised this guy a NTC then i wouldn’t mind this trade. You can have all the opinons you want on class this is mine. It’s like signing a truce but then droping a nuclear bomb before it goes into affect. With the bad press we got with beach ball and now this other players are gonna look at the Kings as a team that doesn’t give a crap about thier players.

  • TradePreissingNext

    Now we need to get rid of Preissing and bring in ORPIK!!!!!!!!!

  • AmaysnKingsfan

    J

    If it comes back that Dean did ask him to waive it even though he didn’t have to then I take it back and that would be a true act of class but since he didn’t have to and i didn’t hear that he did i assume it wasn’t done. But if he did then i have no problem with the move.

    I still think that this move should have been done at the deadline and we should have never resigned him in the first place if it wasn’t our intensions to keep him. We could have at least gotten what we got for him now and not looked bad.

    We will just have to wait and see what happens next year if Lubo sucks next year again and these to guys play well for us then it would be worth the dent in our image and if you win a player will sign with you even if you have little class. maybe we should ask Lubo how classy he thinks it is. There are plenty other contracts on this team i would have qeustioned before Lubo’s . Anyway that’s my take on it go ahead and flame away I still Love the Kings and would watch them if they had no class and if they losed all thier games I’m just sorry to see him go and see him treated like this when he has done so much for us.

  • Isaac

    Am I the only one who remembers how Stoll and Greene played when the Oilers went to the finals? This can be good if they play like they did that year. Stoll has a hell of a one timer. But of course, injury bugs. They could end up being the next cloutiers.

  • AmaysnKingsfan

    J

    If it comes back that Dean did ask him to waive it even though he didn’t have to then I take it back and that would be a true act of class but since he didn’t have to and i didn’t hear that he did i assume it wasn’t done. But if he did then i have no problem with the move.

    I still think that this move should have been done at the deadline and we should have never resigned him in the first place if it wasn’t our intensions to keep him. We could have at least gotten what we got for him now and not looked bad.

    We will just have to wait and see what happens next year if Lubo sucks next year again and these to guys play well for us then it would be worth the dent in our image and if you win a player will sign with you even if you have little class. maybe we should ask Lubo how classy he thinks it is. There are plenty other contracts on this team i would have qeustioned before Lubo’s . Anyway that’s my take on it go ahead and flame away I still Love the Kings and would watch them if they had no class and if they losed all thier games I’m just sorry to see him go and see him treated like this when he has done so much for us.

  • AmaysnKingsfan

    sorry about the double post guys i’m just getting excited about the debate we are having, that combined with slow internet connection reults= double post anyways sorry.

  • Anonymous

    Has anyone thought about the fact that there may be something going on behind the scenes with a particular FA and as a result Lubo became flexible. Let’s just wait and see what happens when free agency begins on Tuesday

  • Quisp

    Even if Lubo had had a great year last year, he would still be a problem to be dealt with because (1) he has a big contract and (2) he’s old. The big contract is a problem because with each passing year we have the kids of the future to pay and they are going to want their big contracts too. If he had put up great numbers last year, the only difference would have been how much we got for him. Hey, unless of course he was so good we made the playoffs and THEN there would be no Doughty and maybe Lubo would still be needed for another year. But then, next year, Hickey… so sooner or later, he was going to get dealt.

  • Eric K

    i don’t see a dent in the image… it’s unfortunate, but stuff like this happens all the time in sports. i really thought the cookie was ready to bounce back next year, but on the other hand, i like the step up at center and the continuing theme of getting younger.

    deano is definitely putting his stamp on the kings, and i think he’s got a good shot at getting some improvement soon. we’ll have to wait and see… but i can’t wait for next year!

  • Quisp

    I’m really kind of surprised at how many people on this thread and the others above it are upset that DL has somehow “wronged” Lubo and “tricked” him by trading him before his NTC went into effect. That is kind of the idea — right? — that you have that option. It’s not like he (Lubo) didn’t know this was possible. And the Kings did not go back on “their word” by trading him. The contract is the “word.” Lubo got the NTC because he negotiated for it through his agent. He didn’t get one in the previous contract because his agent couldn’t get it for him. If Lubo wanted a NTC leading up to 7-1, he could have attempted to renegotiate that contract. Presumably, one of the benefits of signing him early is that they had the option to trade him before the NTC kicked in. Say, for example, if he had a crappy year and as a result the Kings found themselves flush with high picks and young cheaper speedy d-men.

    Anyway, the idea that Lubo thought he was going to be playing here for the rest of his career is just kind of silly and naive. The only way for that to have happened would have been if he played so well and scored so much that his big contract seemed like a bargain.

    And nobody’s suggesting that Lubo went back on his “word” by not playing well last year. That was the risk the Kings assumed when they signed him. He might start to suck. And Lubo assumed the risk that he might get dealt. Trading Lubo is one of the remedies available to the Kings if he turns out not to be as great as they thought he might be.

    In short, if you want to be Steve Yzerman (or Dave Taylor, for that matter), you better play like him.

  • Quisp

    We didn’t “promise” him a NTC. We gave it to him. Starting on 7-1. It’s in his contract. That contract has not taken effect yet. He has not yet performed any work required by this contract. Period. If Lubo is surprised by any of this, he should fire his agent. But the Kings management is blameless in this situation.

    I genuinely think the Kings never thought they would be so bad last year and therefore would be picking so high. It’s ironic that the result of this is that the Kings have to think about paying three potential defensemen superstars (Hickey, Johnson, now Doughty) instead of two, and Lubo’s contract would be the baseline for that…now it’s not. Same with Cammellari. Hey, look, two guys who wanted and got big money and then disappointed and then got dealt. And in both cases, had they stayed, it would have made signing the rest of the kids harder and harder in the summers to come.

  • JDM

    Damn… I checked earlier today and there was nothing… so I left the house.

    I come home late and now this!

    I’m not sure how to feel about this trade. I loved Lubo, really loved him. I also have many memories of hating Stoll when playing the Oilers, which makes me anxious to see him perform as a King. Greene I have a vague idea of, but definitely love the size.

    I think overall this makes the Kings stronger and deeper… but damn I loved Lubo. Seems about the right price for him after last season. If anything, we got a deal considering that and his huge contract. This, like most of DL’s moves lately, is what he hopes is future proofing. These two guys are good role players from what I gather, and the whole captain thing with them is good.

    I hope this move works out, but its practically guarunteed that Lubo will score nearly every game he plays against us for atleast a season or two. I am glad to have the cap space though as I see this as a real sign of Sully getting locked up for good money in the coming days, and Kopi and Johnson in the early part of the season.

  • Andre, Norway

    First of all I would thank Lubo for his services with the kings and wish him the best of luck in Edmonton. U will be missed.

    Quisp!!!
    you cant compare lubos contract with cammys contract. Lubo was rewarded a big contract by DL because of his play the last couple of seasons. Cammy went to arbitration and lost- he tought his value was 5 mill. It showed for all of us that he is in for the money and not for the kings. If cammy loved the kings like brownie he would have signed a long term contract.Everyone knew that cammi would be dealt – we just didnt know when. Im very surprised this trade happend because I still think lubo has a lot of hockey left. Lubo is not an A type and I think that wearing the A put a lot off pressure on him. We should have kept LUBO for his offense but with a no trade and 5.6 mill a year it was to much. I think DL will rather spend 5.6 a year on a player who is in his mid 20s. We got to resign Sully and negotiate new contract for kopi an jj and that will cost us some money but we will still be in the bottom of the salary cap.
    GO KINGS GO – LET THE SEASON START.

  • lakingzfan

    I am torn on this trade. On one hand, we lose an all star potential player. But, it does move us in the direction that this team seems to be headed. That is, younger, more physical and less money!
    I give DL two thumbs up for this one. It must have been difficult to broker this deal with Lubo’s age and money. Its a risk for Lowe to do this (given Lubo’s #s last season), but edmonton feels they want to make a push NOW.
    We, on the other hand, are building for the future. TAVARES here we come!

  • nykingfan

    AmaysnKingsfan

    I don’t get the part of the Kings being unclassy. You obviously have the right to voice your opinion..same as all of us.
    Lubo had a ridiculously poor season last year. Do you think for 1 minute he lived up to his end of the contract? Absolutely not! The Kings and his agent agreed that the NTC would take effect 7/1. If he wanted to have a blanket NTC he should have put in the contract that it would take effect immediately..He didn’t and the Kings are just doing what is contractually legal. I don’t see any shadiness to the trade. He still gets paid the full value of the contract. We gave Handzus a NTC..Do you think the Kings wouldn’t love to have the option to trade him now?

    I like Lubo but the trade seems to make a lot of sense for what the Kings ae trying to accomplish. By the time the Kings are truly ready to compete, Lubo would be well past his prime and therefore would be an albatross. The Kings have drafted 2 puck rushing D’men the last 2 years…Doughty and Hickey. If they are what we all hope they are…there won’t be a need for Lubo.

    As far as someone’s comment that D is neglecting the offense.. What have you been watching over the last couple of years? The Kings are well stocked with offensive talent. Nobody knows for sure if that talent will pan out, but the weakness in the organization was defense. I think he has addressed that weakness this year and if everything breaks right, the Kings are set up very nicely for years to come.

  • petey

    This deal had to be made. With Johnson, Doughty, Hickey, and even Martinez, all gonna be on the Kings within the next 2 years, that gives them 4 guys that can move the puck and quarterback a power play. In 2 years, there really wouldn’t be any room for Visnovsky with the 4 I mentioned and Teubert & Greene in the fold. At that time, it would be to late to move him with that NTC being there. It was now or never to move him.
    With those 6 being there, where do you play Visnovsky? Have a 7th d-man taking up $5.6 mill. of your cap? Not gonna happen. I liked Visnovsky and was hoping that he could bounce back from that horrendous season. This is a wait and see deal to see who comes out the winner in this.
    Best of luck in Edmonton Lubo.

  • metalmaster

    Bad trade-as bad as move Cloutier move in my opinion.
    Losing Visnosky will hurt the power play which was
    actually on of the teams few strengths last year. This
    was a money move and both player DL acquired could be
    gone after their contracts run out. Stoll is one good
    hit away from becoming toast. Greene is big but not
    exactly mobile. Pressure will be on Johnson and/or
    Doughty to perform on power play this year which could
    be good or bad. This team needs a couple of veterans
    and then trades one of their best if not their best away for a questionable package.

  • Max

    At the end of season before last, Visnovsky seemed ready to break through into the top tier of NHL defensemen. This past season, with a new NMC big money contract, he took a huge step backwards. The cause appeared to be primarily mental, as he often played with a obvious lack of confidence. He was challenged to raise his game to the next level befitting his contract but lacked the mental toughness to do so. That’s why he got dealt.