O'Sullivan OK with his line

Exactly!

Why did Bernie Nicholls once score 70 goals for the Kings? Because the checking line was too busy with Gretzky's line to notice...

I like the way this is all shaping up. We're one man shy of having 3 solid lines that can score. If Purcell can play his way onto the 1st or 2nd line & take the place of Moulson/Calder, we're set. If Boyle gets his act together then even the 4th line could be a scoring threat.

Marc Nathan, I tend to agree with you. O'Sullivan doesn't have a problem with playing on the secondline, so why should we? Give them all time to get used to one another and if it still isn't right in a month then start bitching...

After reading this, are some people feeling a little foolish?

deadcatbounce said:
cristobal said:

Would the wild take Cloutier (1 mil.) and Calder (2.75 mil.)? That's almost 4 million. Plus, throw in Labarbara because Kings fans seem to hate him and
we're almost at 5 million. Now, add Harrold and Moulson and we've got a deal.

You can’t be serious, can you? Three guys who are slop and two guys with medium potential for Gaborek? You just lost what little credibility you had left.

But maybe you follow the something for nothing philosophy in your own life?

If I’m Minnesota, a trade involving Gaborek would have to involve the Kings number-one pick in the upcoming draft or else there’s no reason to talk. I’ll take the pick plus Frolov and Moulson if you want, but you’re not getting something for a bunch of nothing.

deadcatbounce said:
I wonder how anybody could think that if Jay Buowmeester doesn't want to play for a loser in Florida he'd want to play for a loser in Los Angeles?

I wonder what my fellow KINGSINSIDERS think of these comments by deadcatbounce? Who else would trade Frolov, a first round pick in '09, and Moulson for Gaborik? What say you, people?
I also wonder what they think about him calling LA a "loser."

This may not be the popular comment but I like that we are trying to spread the love a little past the first line. Sorry Anthony but Sully will still be great on a second line. Last year after Cami was hurt the Brown, Sully, Kopi line was real good, but our other lines not so much. Now maybe we can get 3 good lines!

To nykingsfan:

I doubt it. Those people have been second-guessing and criticizing the organizationa nd the coaching staff over little thing since day one. Mostly, they like to hear themselves talk.

I like with way O'Sullivan is handling himself. He's smart enough to see the big picture and go with it.

Player speak; just trying to be politically correct.Coach decides the lines and is judged by the results.Common sense tells me losses coming up until we play to our strengths and not our deficiencies.

Apropos to nothing, but please oh please, Kings, beat the Blues! My friend in St. Louis has been talking so much smack and a free dinner is on the line.

yeah Sully's a team player. Whatever is best for the team, he's good with it. That's the kind of player that winning organizations have. I'm glad we have him.

I just find it funny that they speak in terms of knowing what Sully must be thinking and then having the spoken word prove them dead wrong.
People would be better off giving their opinions rather than assuming what someone is thinking.
An opinion is never wrong..an assumpton usually is.

For all the moaning about Frolov being on a checking line and O'Sully being on the 2nd line, a lot more scoring has come from those two lines. I definitely agree that someone better than Moulson or Calder needs to be on the top line (hopefully Teddy Purcell can play his way up there), but I wouldn't tinker too much with the other two lines if at all possible. Frolov - Zeus - Simmonds has been excellent, and O'Sullivan - Stoll - Moller is starting to really get going as well. I wouldn't get caught up in the labels of a "stopper line" or "2nd line" too much. All 3 lines seem to be getting a lot of ice time.

On a side-note, it's moderately humorous that O'Sully has probably been the best player on the team so far this year despite not having a training camp.

NYKINGSFAN and #304 - Did you expect O'Sullivan to say he disagreed with the coach and thinks that the wrong decisions are being made? And, its hardly foolish to recognize that O'Sullivan could make a huge impact if he were playing with 2 all-stars. What's foolish is not giving it a shot for a couple of shifts when your down by a goal in the 3rd period. Murray was busy punishing the team for its 2nd period mistakes and could have cost the Kings a point or two on Mon. night.

Anthony might overdo it sometimes, but its clear he wants the team to win every game. There are always legitimate criticisms of every team, even if they win. Additionally, he rarely bites back at all the comments that insult him. Either that, or his responses are deleted, like mine, no matter how tame they are.

Would you rather Anthony and I just post "thank you's" and "way to go's?" What's interesting about that?

Really? You have comments that are deleted?

Honestly, Quisp, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

Rich, you sly dog. I think you posted this just to see if we would break the record for blog comments.

Cristobal:

Why do you assume that Terry Murray is punishing anyone for their mistakes? As long as I have been watching hockey, coaches have always replaced players who are underachieving with other roster players. It's called coaching.

One of the things that drove me berserk the last two seasons was Marc Crawford's constant juggling of lines, not only from game to game, but from shift to shift. From what I've seen so far this season, one improvement is the consistency of the lines. With so many new players on the roster this year, it's obviously going to take time for line mates to get accustomed to each other and for chemistry to be build. For crying out loud, the season is only *5 GAMES OLD*!! Give it time to gel.

And how exactly is it determined which line is the #1 and #2? I would think the line that produces the most is #1. Yes, I know. You got your stopper line, your energy line, blah, blah, blah. Why can’t we expect (ok, maybe hope for) 2 or even 3 #1 lines? Isn’t the object of the game to get the little black rubber thing in the big mesh thing? And to prevent the other team from doing the same? Ideally, *all* players will be offensive when possible, and defensive when needed.

And I’m sorry. Much of what comes from the keyboard of Anthony is uninformed, vitriolic drivel. Anyone who consistently calls players and coaches names the way he does, deserves to be treated with disdain. I don’t agree with or condone name calling back at him, but you have to admit, he does bring it on himself. You, Cristobal, while I have nor agreed with some of your observations, are at least hockey savvy and courteous.

No, I'm serious.

When the game is over and you look at the Stat Sheet, O'Sullivan is getting quality minutes in all situations. Hardly "punishment."

There are some people here (and there) who didn't believe O'Sullivan was a player... then they didn't believe he would make the team... then they didn't believe he deserved quality ice time... then they thought he was a jerk for holding out... then they thought he should be traded... then they thought he was being punished.

Fer chrissakes, get over it. The kid is a very skilled player, and he's gonna be a big star in the NHL for a long time. Whether he stays in LA over time, we can't project. There is little loyalty in this (and most professional) sport(s).

Just remember that some of us have been blaring the O'Sullivan horn for a long time. We're happy this tree has just begun to bare fruit.

I can’t believe you’re dragging old threads into a new one, but since you addressed it I’ll answer back.

You proposed a trade for Gaborek that anybody with an I.Q. if 40 would see as ridiculous. Do you really think that Doug Risebrough is stupider than Dean Lombardi, who you’ve given us every indication that he is the stupidest GM in all sports, and would say yes to giving up his best player for a bunch of spare parts? If I’m any team and I’m trading my best player, talk begins with your first-round pick, plain and simple. Maybe you can get something for nothing, but it doesn’t work that way in real life, and if you want to get a talent like Gaborek you’re going to have to give up something other than your leftovers. If I’m Minnesota and I ask you if you’d take Kim Johnsson, Owen Nolan, Martin Skoula and Chris Kolanos for Anze Kopitar, you wouldn’t think twice before slamming down the phone. It works both ways.

As for Buowmeester, if you want a guy with a history of an alcohol problem and off-ice issues to help mentor the kids, then I guess that’s up to you but, again, if I’m Florida I want your number-one pick and maybe Jack Johnson and Matt Moulson. See? I’m willing to give or take Frolov.

"We all skate pretty well". That is funny. The speed of all three is what makes that line so scary. As I have posted before, only the best of skaters will be able to handle them for 15 shifts a game.
One of the signs of a great team is to force your opponent has to alter what they normally do to. A line of POS, Stoll, and Oscar have the potential to do just that. Also, even with the offensive firepower, they are not a liability defensively.

Quickly, I am one of the offenders of shooting back at Anthony and Cristobal. I apoligize if I have crossed the line.

I say we trade Sully and a pick just to end the arguement.

Sully to Calgary for Cammi and a pick

Wow, things are crazy...

Jet, I don't recall ever reading one of your posts directed at me and being offended. I've disagreed with you, but that's why we post our opinions and enjoy KINGSINSIDER.

Marc Nathan - I have never said O'Sullivan is being punished. But I don't know if you were refering to my post about the players being punished. I was referring to Preissing being dropped, Labs getting pulled (it was 4 goals off bad team defense and mistakes Mr. Murray), and the "green jersey" thing. I don't know what goes on INSIDE the locker room, though, so it is all uninformed opinion of a fan.

deadcatbounce - while you are able to take jabs at me on a personal level, I cannot respond with anything even slightly bent because my comments get deleted. If they weren't, you'd know by now (and I still can't for the life of me understand how you didn't get my sarcasm) that trade I proposed for Gaborik was NOT serious. I "posted" your comments from another thread because I wanted others to tell you what I think about your proposed trade for Gaborik or Bouwmeester. Nobody has responded, so perhaps they don't bother to read your comments even if I posted them. I'd be willing to bet if I, or Anthony, said the Kings should trade Frolov, next years No. 1, and Moulson for Gaborik, we'd get skewered. You're all over me for a joke, even if it was a bad one.

Quisp - Yes, my comments get deleted sometimes when I respond to people who address me in a demeaning manner. Just after Rich's "commenting" thread, I even had my montage of "other people's comments to me" deleted. I'm not "innocent" of pushing the boundaries, but when I read some of the comments that go through, and compare them to mine that are deleted, I don't get it.

Nobody wants to discuss deadcat's trade proposal?

I certainly didn't take Deadcatbounce trade proposal as being serious...Also, he indicated if HE was Minn, he would want 1st Rd pick, Frolov, etc...he didn't say that as a King fan, he would do that trade. At least that's what I took out of it.
Also, It's not cool to ask people to gang up on others. If people agree with my posts that's fine. If they disagree, that's cool as well. I just wouldn't want someone asking other people to specifically chime in about my posts. You did that with deadcatbounce.

Anthony has been making ridiculous statements since I've been on this blog. I still think he knows what's going on and enjoys seeing people react to his posts. He just won't admit it...Cmon Anthony ..the jig is up. LOL
Cristobal, I disagree with most of your posts, but that's the beauty of this. We can argue back and forth and never have to agree. I went overboard once and promise not to do it again. You're entitled to your opinion..
ok..what the hell am I talking about? Time for another drink. LOL

nykingsfan - have you been reading deadcatbounce's comments towards me? And when did I ask people to gang up on him?
You point out that Anthony likes to see people react to his posts, but doesn't it take someone who likes to attack others to respond to him?
I rarely respond to Anthony's posts because I only rarely agree, and don't think I'm going to change his mind to suit my opinions.
The reason I want others to discuss deadcat's trade is because I actually had the following response deleted " deadcat - if you didn't sense my sarcasm I'm sure you're the only one." Is that out of line?
You have no problem with others saying Anthony shouldn't be allowed to post comments?

If I'm Minnesota, that's my initial counter after you ask for Gaborek. It's called negotiation, but if people couldn't understand why it was taking so long for the Kings to sign O'Sullivan over the offseason I wouldn't expect them to understand the nuance of making trades.

I can't read the Kings' mind, but if I had to guess I would think that Frolov is not in their long-range plans and will ultimately go elsewhere. That said, would I trade him now if I were the Kings? Not for Gaborek because of his contract demands (ten years, 100,000,000). Negotiations have to start somewhere, though, and you don't present your final offer as your initial offer.

But if I'm any GM and you want my best player, then I want your first round pick and a prospect, at least.

I'm sure my comments have to meet the requirements that every other poster's does, so please don't feel picked on if your comments get deleted before they're posted. I have no problem with you ripping me for what you think might be inferior hockey knowledge to yours. I don't claim to be an expert; I'm just a fan, after all. Hockey is not my profession, so I tend to defer to the people who make the decisions. I can live with Labarbera starting for now because I believe that he'll be the backup by Christmas. If anybody else wants to rip me, please feel free. I don't have any anger at anyone, but it's annoying when people seem to speak just for the thrill of hearing their own words or seeing their own post.

Rob, can't accept your trade proposal if I'm the Kings, but Robin Regehr and your number-one for Patrick O'Sullivan and my number-one might be a good starting point...

My apologies if I offended any fans by calling the Kings losers. I thought about it and I've decided that this team is a dynasty, as their stellar playoff performance over the past five years and no cups in over 40 years is truely a testament to their exemplary performance. I have no idea what got into me...

deadcatbounce - Have you picked up on the fact that I was being sarcastic about my trade-bait with Minnesota yet?

Minnesota is the one making the calls about Gaborik, not the Kings. Minnesota has a situation where they don't want a "star" player at the price he's expecting, and they have little leverage when it comes to negotiating. The Kings flat out have zero interest in trading any of their good young players right now, so any speculation involving the Big players and 1st round draft picks shows a complete lack of understanding about what the team is doing right now. If the wanted a high-priced, player that is very talented but also never been on a winning team, they'd have made an offer to Hossa. We may not understand the nuances of NHL negotiating, but its pretty clear what the teams philosophy under Lombardi is now, finally.

However you feel about frolov and his future here is meaningless. The reality is he's a very good player on a very good contract and the Kings have plenty of room to keep him here.

Bouwmeester is a very good player and its entirely intriguing imagining him (at 24 yrs old) joining this team without losing any of the blue-chip guys. I don't know about the issues Bouwmeester has that you bring up, but if you think he's the only guy in the NHL with a drinking habit or a drinking problem, you're sorely mistaken.

You're not angry? Ever heard of denial?

Cristobal, weren't you the one in another post who brought up psychology? Is this your field of professional expertise, I wonder?

You put forth a trade proposal and then you say that the Kings have no interest in trading for Gaborek. I think most of us knew that from the beginning, so why waste everybody's time by silly trade proposals?

And if my comments and opinions are meaningless, then why do you react so viscerally to them? Really, you should spend your time reacting to things that mean more to you than just a few stupid words.

I never said that Buowmeester was the only guy in the league with a drinking problem, but once again you read whatever you want to read into peoples' posts just so that you can react. Whenever someone floats a trade proposal, though, I always look into character issues because that's just as important as someone's on-the-ice performance. I see that you, however, put no stock into character. Makes sense, I guess...

Truth of the matter is that Brown and Kopi need O'SULLIVAN who has been our best forward so far this season.Kopi and Brown have been a disappointment so far and need a spark to get them going and get them out of their funk.
O'Sullivan will now become the most valuable player on this team you can sense it in his play and character. All this without training camp and lower than expected contract.