No O'Sullivan on ice

someone tell me how we come out on this trade? It seems like we lost big time and im not the biggest sully fan.

It is so sad :(

he got traded to carolina then trade to edmonton we got justin williams and carloina got cole

i posted this on the prev. post....

here are 27 year-old jason williams stats:

2008-09 Carolina NHL 32 3 7 10 -9 9 80 3.75
2007-08 Carolina NHL 37 9 21 30 +2 43 106 8.49
2006-07 Carolina NHL 82 33 34 67 -11 73 258 12.79
2005-06 Carolina NHL 82 31 45 76 +1 60 255 12.16
2004-05 Lulea HF Swe 49 14 18 32 -5 61 175 8.00
2003-04 Carolina NHL 32 5 13 18 +2 32 96 5.21
2003-04 Philadelphia NHL 47 6 20 26 +10 32 107 5.61
2003-04 Total Phi/Car NHL 79 11 33 44 +12 64 203 5.42
2002-03 Philadelphia NHL 41 8 16 24 +15 22 105 7.62
2001-02 Philadelphia NHL 75 17 23 40 +11 32 162 10.49
2000-01 Philadelphia NHL 63 12 13 25 +6 22 99 12.12

I do not understand this move at all. Can someone please explain it to me. I thought Sully was a "core" player. I just can't figure this one out.

what a joke and a half.

Certainly didn't see this one coming. Thought Patty-O was part of our future...

TSN has it, O Sullivan to Edmonton. Cole to Carolina. Justin Williams to the Kings.

Aha! The "WTF" trade as promised.

According to TSN it's O'Sullivan for J. Williams

I don't know how he's gonna spin this one... JUSTIN WILLIAMS???? what the...

O'Sullivan for Williams (Car), then O'Sullivan (CAR) for Cole (EDM).

Edmonton gets O'Sullivan
LA gets Williams
Carolina gets Cole

I just dont get this move. How could we give up on POS already!

Wow, i thought the trades were done.

Justin Williams --> Los Angeles
Patrick O'Sullivan --> Edmonton
Erik Cole --> Carolina

You've got to be kidding me. I really hope DL has a logical explanation for this one.

As I snarked on the other thread, I guess the hold out wasn't such a good idea, after all.

ESPN confirms it's a POS/Cole/Williams threeway, but says "there are more details to this."

Rich, are there picks or prospects involved? I'm assuming we have the three NHL names.

EncinoMan,

Me too, I'm quite unsure as to what Justin Williams provides that Patty O doesn't, besides age and a broken hand.

Justin Williams is a proven NHL player who is still young and has a Philly connection. He has a hand injury and I have no idea when he will be back in the lineup. He is signed for I think 3 more years. His salary this year is $3.5 million.

He has been a 30 goal scorer a couple times and has scored 70+ points in the league. He has won a cup in Carolina. He has had an ACL injury and other injuries.

O'Sullivan is a little shocking, especially considering its a flip and he goes to Edmonton. If he figures things out and does well there than this is not going to look like a good deal. Sully probably plays with Hemsky and Horcoff now...

So glad he's gone

Crazytown.

Apparently there are draft picks "going all over the place" according to Onrait's blog on TSN.

Terrible deal. Just got fleeced by Rutherford who flips O'Sullivan to a conference rival.

Disgusting.

Salary numbers on Mr. Glass anyone?

Sully went to Carolina, then Carolina sent him to Edm for Erik Cole, basically.

Are either Hockey's Future or Let's Go Kings not working for anyone else?

Thats what he gets for holding out in training camp. Oh and not producing.

This is a garbage move by DL. What the hell? A broken handed achilles tendon aching sorry excuse for another washed up player for one of our more talented up and coming players? Are you kidding me?

It seems like whenever the Kings have trouble signing a player via holdout of arbitration, ala Cammalleri and now O'Sullivan, they are automatically gonna be traded the following year.

Stupid stupid stupid. Let's now hope Jack signs asap so this doesn't happen next year too.

Well, I wanted Sully traded. I had hoped we'd get a little more than Williams, but I think I'm OK with this move.

Williams injuries worry me, but the guy has won a cup, and that means a fair bit I think. He can fit in this team for the future.

He's got a nice shot, so we kind of have a sniper now? I hope he's not THE solution. Removing Sully still leaves a hole in the top 6.

Interesting though. I'm curious to know how Kopitar and Brown feel about this.

I had wanted to see Sully develop tho, even if he underachieved big time this year.

I'm mixed and torn, so I'll go with DL's judgement that Williams will bring more of something we are missing than losing Sully removes something we had.

Yeah it sucks to see POS go... I thought he had a lot of potential with LA. I hope we get a high draft pick along with williams.

This makes no sense to me. I would have prefered Cole straight up.

Edmonton also got Kotalik from Buffalo in this deal.

To LA: Williams
To EDM: O'Sullivan, Kotalik
To CAR: Cole
To BUF: 2nd round pick

I like it. Justin Williams is probably our fastest player now. He has 2 30 goal seasons and is entering his prime. His contract is good.

It goes to show...any player who holds out or takes his team to arbitration gets traded.

Williams is a good player with probably the worst luck ever in terms of injuries.

HAHAHAAHHA PETIOT IS NOW PROPERTY OF THE LEAFS!

Posted this in the other thread, but Terry Murray was a scout for Philly from 2000-2003, so he probably knows exactly how and where to use Williams.

Williams is a proven winner (Stanley Cup, 2 Wold Championship Golds).

O'Sullivan was packing sand. Good trade if you ask me.

this is good...Sully was not cutting it this yr....he definately had a major setback...he's a little too soft for my blood....i think this is good...

I was shocked when I read this on thefourthperiod.com, but not surprised. After all the headache that was caused trying to get O'Sullivan into camp back in September/October, it didn't seem like he'd be moved. But I can't say I'm disappointed about this trade.

When I first found out that the trade involved Carolina on tsn.ca/tradecentre, I was like "Alright, this is an even move". When I saw later that O'Sullivan had moved to the Oilers, I was a bit surprised, and it makes me think that maybe when we traded Lubo for Greene and Stoll that the Oilers wanted O'Sullivan also, but of course it wasn't the right time.

Interesting the Oilers give up Eric Cole to Carolina, because if you remember, there was a trade in the offseason between the Oilers and Hurricanes, where Cole went to Carolina for Joni Pitkanen.

So basically, it all pans out like this:
Kings get: F Stoll, D Greene, F Williams
Oilers get: F O'Sullivan, D Visnovsky (out for season)
Hurricanes get: D Pitkanen

To me, it definitely looks like the Kings got the better end of the exchanges between these teams.

i'm a lil' surprised....

cole and williams have similar injury history...

this def. opens up the door for purcell, moller and whom ever else they want to call up before years end...

how important was teddy's goal last night?????

how important was oscar's goal last night?????

d.l. must have saw something he liked...

sully i called out last night on espn chat since we didn't have one....

and quisp, yr right...d.l. does not like uncooperative players in contract negotiations...

ALEAXNDER FROLOV AND AGENT: ARE YOU HEARING THIS?

please...all parties...make a good deal come the off season...and don't be a manny, boras or frankie...

please...because if there's any warning d.l. has given is that you don't screw around w/ him and his plans...

cammy...dead
sully...dead

i truly hope fro doesn't make this list...!

we also gave up a second round pick in the deal...

I think we win in this case,cause o´sully was prob kid...with big attitude(so bad)

The Kings must have needed a player to park in the handicapped space abandoned by Cloutier...I mean Bure...I mean McCauley...etc, etc, etc. Stupid deal IMHO. This guy hasn't played a full season in years...

Sully went to Carolina, then Carolina sent him to Edm for Erik Cole, basically.

TSN says now that we gave up a 2nd rounder too? Please tell me they have it on the wrong side.

Williams has his own website: http://williams11.com/

Also, Williams, being MUCH more experienced than Sully, pushes the rebuild forward without screwing it up for the future.

I think Carolina gets hosed, although Cole had success there. Edmonton wins this deal, assuming its just the 3 players and no picks or prospects involved. I have to imagine that there are picks involved though. Hopefully we got some picks...

Though just as I write this it pops up on the ticker on NHL Network and it says we sent Sully AND a 2nd to the Canes, who flipped Sully for Cole.

I like it a little less now.

I have to imagine that DL was targeting Williams. He couldn't have just wanted to dump Sully. He could have waited until the draft to do that.

hmm...

As much as i loved Patty O....Williams is a winner...and going forward, when this team is ready to contend he will be a huge part of this team...he has a good salary and term...he is still young, and much like the Stoll trade, we won't see the full benifit of having Williams in the lineup until we make the playoffs....Lombardi is a shrewd G.M., who understands how much a winning attitude and expeirience is huge for the development of guys like Kopitar, brown, Doughty, etc.....Williams can also help with some locker room leadership, much like Stoll and Handzus have this year....I like the trade..even if Williams doesn't play a single game this year...also it gives us a chance to try Moller and/or Purcell in the top six for the rest of the year to see how they will fit going forward...

Go Kings Go

O'Sullivan, Kotalik, 2nd-rounder to EDM; Williams to LA; Cole to CAR; 2nd-rounder to BUF

http://www.sportsnet.ca/

It has become pretty obvious that POS is seriously lacking the strength required to win battles along the boards. I have watched him very closely since he came to LA and he has never exhibited the ability to battle and win battles. He is unquestionably talented and will probably thrive along side Hemsky. But Williams provides the goal scoring ability of POS along with some experience and more of a "battle factor". He has 3 more years at 3.5 so we get some terms there. I dont like the fact however that we sent a second round pick to Carolina as well. I thought POS for an injured Williams straight up was a fair deal. But whats done is done and this will be a good trade for the Kings as long as Williams can stay healthy. And it seems that the injury jinx is a thing of the past for the Kings *crosses fingers*

ACL and Achilles injuries...God I hope this works. Out with a hand injury right now and he was not exactly tearing it up this year scoring wise.

He has played in the NHL since he was 18 and has a lot of miles (over 500 games played)

This doesn't pass the smell test.

2005-06 Carolina NHL 82 31 45 76 +1 60 255 12.16*

*won the stanley cup.

sure hope the 2nd round pick was Calgary's pick....

I just want to know why we gave up a second rounder?

Color me not happy.

Rich is there anyway that you can talk to DL and get a complete Explanation? Why? Why did we also send a 2nd rounder and pick up more Salary?

Thanks.

Alright, confusion building...

per thefourthperiod.com

"In a four-team trade to close out the trade deadline, the Los Angeles Kings traded center Patrick O'Sullivan to the Carolina Hurricanes for right wing Justin Williams.
The Hurricanes then dealt Williams and a second-round draft pick to the Edmonton Oilers for left wing Erik Cole.

The Oilers then moved that second-round draft choice to the Buffalo Sabres for Ales Kotalik."

That sounds like we didn't give up a pick. Kind of in stark contrast to the NHL Networks ticker.

Richard Petiot got traded for three players and a draft pick?? how can that be?? Thought he was a Kings reject

This now makes two people who have had contract disputes with Dean Lombardi get the boot from LA.

I can't agree with this deal based on the second rounder we gave up. How does Justin Williams warrant a younger, cheaper, player and a pick?

Both are FAs after 2010-11 (Sully is RFA, JW is UFA).

Explain this to me somebody.

Sully and a pick? Terrible, imo. Williams isn't that much of an upgrade especially with the injury concerns. I'm really bothered by this one.

here's another weird trade by burke, toronto...

former king prospect richard petiot goes to tampa for the following...no joke:

olaf kolzig
jamie heward (another former king)
andy rogers
and...
a 4th rounder

for petiot....????
granted all these guys are old times...?

this has to be because of salaries....i smell something fishy?

Hopefully it was Philly's second.

I am not sure about this trade. I figured O'Sullivan would go I was not sure what we would get for him though. I was hoping a first and a third.

Hopefully it was Philly's second.

I am not sure about this trade. I figured O'Sullivan would go I was not sure what we would get for him though. I was hoping a first and a third.

THe pick we gave up was the Calgary pick

Crazytown.

JDM - that also sounds like the cane's traded the same player twice.

Is Jason Williams going to be back this year?

Stupid

Unless there are more yet unknown assets coming our way, i.e. draft picks, prospects, this looks like making a deal for the sake of making a deal. IMO, We didn't get better with this one.
The only silver lining is that Williams gives us a little grit and can put up a few goals. I hope to find we get more and not give up more on this trade.

andy rogers, a former 1st round pick, is essentially traded for petiot and cap space???

this is the weirdest trade of the day....
salary dumps...no question...
i wonder if this gets final approval from the nhl...?

The Kolzig deal is simply for moving money for picks. That's it. Heward and Kolzig are gonna retire/end careers.

+ you probably end up with a higher draft pick as William's hand heals

Lucas,

I believe the pick was Carolina's, so we only lose O'Sullivan and get Williams.

tsn says Kings gave up a 2nd rnd pick. So Kings lose a 2nd rnd pick + POS for Williams. It'll all be sorted soon I'm sure...

The LA kings did not give up the second round pick. That pick is coming from another team in the trade. It was player for player.

I am so upset because I was finally going to get a chance to meet Sully this weekend at Sport Chalet. So do you think he will still show up? :(

I thought we got out clean but the smartest man in the room somehow, has once again, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. One guy will only go up the other is in decline. Very limp. BAD trade. "A man has to know his limitations".

Just disgusting. Sorry Deano... you offer O'Sullivan and a 2nd around the league and the best you can do is a guy who hasn't played much hockey in 2 years, and the hockey he has played has sucked? Great! Thanks.

Don't fully understand this one. And we give up a 2nd rounder? Williams is older. Looking at his past two years shows he's been injured and hasn't played much or terribly effectively (he also is coming off an achilles tendon injury, and oh yeah, also some back injury history).

If you look at the last two years on just a point per game basis, POS is 51 ppg and Williams is 48 ppg, so not much difference there. Both guys have two years left on their contracts, but Sully made less and becomes an RFA instead of a UFA.

I suppose DL likes this guy, but I don't yet see how this is a good deal for us. Looking forward to the explaination on this one...

Re the pick(s) involved --

I smell another pick in this deal. DL sends a second (Rich -- can you confirm which 2nd, the Kings or Calgary? I'm guessing CGY), I'm wondering if he's getting one back. I would be surprised if he didn't.

The other thing I'll say about this: in addition to it being an interesting "retaliation" for the now-quoted-in-the-press to be "contentious" contract negotiations, I think it's also a shot across the bow of Kopitar and Brown.

Obviously, those two players are untouchable. Kopitar, Brown and POS are famously known to be good friends, and expected to play together this season. For various reasons, that didn't work out. Significantly, those three guys (in my opinion) did not do their jobs over the last two weeks. I think this is DL calling them on it. This was the time to step up. Two weeks ago, DL had a reason to believe that his team might be in the playoffs this season, which -- no matter what anyone might say about "the plan" -- would have been a huge career boost for Lombardi.

My point really is this: Kopitar and Brown bear some of the blame for POS getting dealt. POS was in a vulnerable position, trade-wise, so he was the one to move. But it's a message to his former linemates.

Variable, you got stats for the wrong Williams. It's Justin, not Jason.

Pretty much Pavol Demitra for Trevor Lewis and Jason Williams. (not a bad deal IMHO)

So with O'Sullivan being traded does that mean we also lost "Anthony" in this "Major" deal???? Geezzzz did Edmonton get screwed.

*sorry Justin not Jason

I just don't understand this trade. I definitely thought O'Sullivan was part of the future. I know that he wasn't producing like he should be, but I thought he would eventually snap out of it. At first, I thought that Deano was just unloading salary.

Quisp--
Interesting take on this. I was thinking it was a shot across Fro's (and his agent's) bow re: next contract negotiation. But you make a good point. Can I offer another dynamic re: this trade-- from the front office's perspective, friendships only take a player so far, and if a player isn't producing, it does not matter if your best friends are two of the franchise's cornerstones, you are expendable. It sounds cold, but it is an attitude the GM has to take or risk losing the franchise to personalities. Anyway, that's my two cents (which is what's left in my 401k these days...)

POS just did not seem to fit any where. Nothing against him, it was not a fit. I am more worried about the value we recieved. Williams appears to be a DL type player, but health is a big concern.

I just don't understand this trade. I definitely thought O'Sullivan was part of the future. I know that he wasn't producing like he should be, but I thought he would eventually snap out of it. At first, I thought that Deano was just unloading salary.

Rich, will you be talking to Lombardi soon about the trade?

petey...

no sir...i got the right williams...you don't...

Justin Williams is a no-BS player. He was anxious to get back in after his Sept 08 achilles injury, may have come back a bit too soon because it took him time to work back into his old form, but he did work his butt off over the fall to get back ASAP after his achilles injury. He was just starting to round into form in February when he got the broken hand, which could happen to anybody. He should be back in the lineup about 10 days - 2 weeks.

Look, Justin Williams goes to the net, HARD, fearless, something O'Sullivan will never do. JW can definitely put the biscuit in the basket. He is a team guy, 2-way hockey player, great at digging out pucks in board battles, strong on both special teams and doesn't shy away from calling out his team if they are not bringing it on the ice. Those who were calling for Ryan Smyth should be happier we got essentially a younger version of a player along Smyth's lines.

i meant to say justin...but the stats are correct for him...

sorry for the confusion...petey and all

guy on nhl network just said the Kings were on the "cusp of greatest"

http://williams11.com/

One thing I know is that he's going to have to change his jersey number..

But honestly, what does this guy have that POS doesn't? I think DL started to dislike him ever since he held out at the starting of the year, and after holding out, he didn't produce much this year.. It was just an off-year for POS and he gets dealt, ugh..

Well I think the important thing to remember is that we are getting home grown talent & using it to "build a team"...

Assuming the Kings sign a big FA in the summer of 09 or 10, the Kings are starting to fill out a roster that has speed, size, scoring, grit & heart....

I'm just saying here, but the team could look something like....

Frolov - Kopitar - High End UFA Kovy/Gabs?
Wiliams - Center - Brown
Moller/Purcell - Stoll - Simmonds

You bascially trading O'Sullivan for Williams which I think the Kings lose on abit due to age & potential, however you add experience to your roster & depth, you add a guy that has played in a lot of MEANINGFUL games in Williams. You open up the purse strings for that UFA and people that may look at LA as a team to play on will look to see what type of leadership is there, who's in that room they know is proven, etc. Williams may not have been the idle guy in a trade but he does bring leadership traits, esp after winning a stanley cup.

Something else must be going on to get him shipped out, and fall out of favor with the team. Attitude perhaps?

He'll have to do some explaining after Saturday's game, when he's on Kings talk with Nick and Darrel.

So with O'Sullivan being traded does that mean we also lost "Anthony" in this "Major" deal???? Geezzzz did Edmonton get screwed.

Okay, I've had a minute to think it over. I think, if the following sentence turns out to be true, I'm happy, if not, not.

"Justin Williams drives hard to the net and can bury the puck. Over the next three years, he will score 90-100 goals."

There's gotta be waaaaaay more to this. Value wise this kinda sucks.

I'll take a crack at the lineup when Williams comes back.

Frolov-Kopitar-Williams
Brown-Stoll-Purcell
Moller-Handzus-Simmonds
Harrold-Armstrong-Richardson

Johnson-Doughty
Quincey-Greene
O'Donell-Gauthier

Quick/Ersberg (I would give Esrberg a couple starts in a row starting next game.)

He's only a good aquisition IF he stays healthy. We can sit here and talk ourselves blue in the face with how good this guy is, but if he's kicking it next to Bob and Jim every night, it does us precisely nothing.

Lets hope Justin can get healthy and stay healthy, because he's ours now.

Our we done dealing?

Boils down to a couple thing in my opinion...holdout, not coming out on fire with the new contract, bad attitude and just maybe was a locker room problem. Ask Brownie about his days with Sean Avery. Could definately be the case. That stuff flies around the league and sends his value severely downward...again ask Avery & the Rangers the only team to take that chance for a seenmingly talented guy. I do wish we got more BUT this does open the door for the guys you all have been begging for to come up. Bottom line is it does send a message that FINALLY in LA right or wrong the inmates are NOT running the asylum. He was given a very fair first offer and should have been appreciative. Then let his play dictate his future. Maybe we do have a GM with backbone. By the way did we get fleeced by Rutherford in the " other deal " between us involving J Always Injured J.

If Justin Williams comes to play every night and he actually plays the body, then we got a good deal. In my opinion POS was very inconsistant, he did not like grinding in the corners, he very rarley would throw a check, and half the time did not seem interested in being on the ice. Glad to see him gone. May he have better luck with his new team.

I was just thinking about what Anthony is going to say when he gets home, poor fella......

I'm all right with POS out the door. Wouldnt it be great if one of Anthonys OTHER favorite players (Rita or the Goat) were to tattoo him against the boards April 7th, like probably half the team has wanted to since he held out and then was a major dissapointment for the year? How many pucks did he dig out, how many times did he peel back and pass rather than go to the net, how many times did he not back check. The list goes on. I don't have any info on this Williams kid yet, but I don't see that it can be any worse than what we had/didn't have from Patrick. Best of luck, but imho, good riddance.

I gotta hear what Deano's thinking on this one. There has to be more to this story, otherwise this trade makes no sense

Deano losses big time here.Went against everything he has said in the past about staying the course.This deal, in particularly O'Sullivan, comes back to haunt the Kings for the next 15 years.The Kings Curse Is On!

Deano losses big time here.Went against everything he has said in the past about staying the course.This deal, in particularly O'Sullivan, comes back to haunt the Kings for the next 15 years.The Kings Curse Is On!

Deano losses big time here.Went against everything he has said in the past about staying the course.This deal, in particularly O'Sullivan, comes back to haunt the Kings for the next 15 years.The Kings Curse Is On!

Another kick in the balls for Kings fans.
Way to go Kings, THIS is why you are losing fans and never make it to the playoffs.