A look ahead

Just to set the table, here’s what the Kings’ financial situation looks like at the moment. If they had to fill a 23-man roster, at the moment, with only the players under contract, it might look something like this. The following 23 players, plus the two buyouts, would result in a salary-cap hit of roughly $43.2 million.

FORWARDS
Kopitar 6.800 million
Handzus 4.000
Stoll 3.600
Williams 3.500
Brown 3.175
Frolov 2.900
Moller 0.875
Lewis 0.855
Simmonds 0.822
Clune 0.625
Ivanans 0.600
Richardson 0.588
Zeiler 0.544
Gauthier 0.525

DEFENSEMEN
Doughty 3.475 million
Greene 2.950
Hickey 1.346
O’Donnell 1.250
Harrold 0.583
Drewiske 0.525
Quincey 0.525

GOALIES
Quick 0.770 million
Ersberg 0.750

BUYOUTS
Cloutier 1.033 million
McCauley 0.667

Plus, there are the following restricted free agents:
RFA
Bagnall
Boyle
Dravecky
Elkins (arbitration eligible)
Johnson
Moulson (arbitration eligible)
Parse
Piskula (arbitration eligible)
Purcell
Taylor
Westgarth

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  • AK47

    Handzus is making way too much for a 3rd liner.
    Re-sign Jack Johnson, Teddy Purcell, Brian Boyle, Vladimir Dravecky is top priority..
    Same goes for Alexander Frolov
    Signing either Marian Hossa or Marian Gaborik or Martin Havlat
    Sign Chris Neil, maybe..?

    If DL doesn’t go after a UFA, he should sign Callahan to an offer sheet

  • scotman

    I thought Doughty’s cap hit would be no mare than his entry level max which should be around .950. I think Elkins is in LA now with another prospect.

  • jleung

    Where is Preissing? That’s another 2.75M.

  • NMKingsFan

    I am not sure I understand the Doughty cap hit, could you break it down for us Rich.

    On another note, TSN.ca did their Off Season Game Plan for the Kings today and it sure looks like Scott Cullen pulled almost all his information from Rich’s blog.
    Just goes to show where people go for accurate, knowledgeable information on the Kings.
    This blog is the best….

  • Tornado12

    doughty makes 4 mil next season?

  • jleung

    Doughty gets 2.6M in rookie bonuses because he was the #2 overall. Jack gets 1.95M because he was a #3 overall. Their actual salaries are 875k and 850k respectively.

  • http://vanitydesignstudios.com/ ianmonsta

    How is Elkins already a RFA w/ arbitration rights if he didn’t play a single game?

  • Rich Hammond

    A couple things…

    – Doughty’s bonuses count against the cap at the start of the season, whether he ends up earning them or not.

    – Elkins, even though he didn’t play, burned his entry-level year by being on the roster at the end of the season, just as Jack Johnson did at the end of the 2006-07 season. Elkins is now a RFA with arbitration rights.

  • Big A

    NHLScap (hockeybuzz) numbers are wrong. They list Doughty at $3.475 for 08-09 and the next two years, lol.
    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=LA

    NHLnumbers.com has it correct. Also shows Preissing still being owed his chunk of change…
    http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=LAK&season=0809

  • Ersberg

    FORWARDS
    Kopitar 6.800 million
    Handzus 4.000
    Stoll 3.600
    Williams 3.500
    Brown 3.175
    Frolov 2.900
    Moller 0.875
    Lewis 0.855
    Simmonds 0.822
    Clune 0.625 Man
    Ivanans 0.600 Trade/Waive
    Richardson 0.588
    Zeiler 0.544 Trade/Waive

    After those moves, we go after the type of players we all know we need. It’s just a matter of landing them.

    DEFENSEMEN
    Doughty 3.475 million
    Greene 2.950
    Hickey 1.346
    O’Donnell 1.250
    Harrold 0.583
    Drewiske 0.525
    Quincey 0.525
    Gauthier 0.525 Bye

    GOALIES
    Quick 0.770 million
    Ersberg 0.750

    BUYOUTS
    Cloutier 1.033 million
    McCauley 0.667
    Preissing 2.75

  • Daniel

    OFF TOPIC – This is from the Sharks blog link (to the right):
    ” Anthony says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 7:23 am

    Oh noes, wheres DL when we need him?”

    OK then!

  • josh e.

    what is the cap?

  • mrbrett7

    AK…Vladimir Dravecky? Seriously? Really? Your serious? You can’t be…

  • Quisp

    Rich, I believe what happens with the bonuses is that only the amount of actual bonus paid actually counts against the cap, but since you don’t know how much of the bonus will be triggered it’s prudent to count the full amount as spent. My understanding is that you are allowed to go over the cap due to bonuses paid, but that the amount of overage is subtracted from the following season’s cap ceiling. Since this is something any club would like to avoid, it means that for all intents and purposes one had better count the full bonus in one’s cap accounting.

    The numbers you quote, plus signing Johnson and Purcell, is why I put the Kings cap figure at roughly $47-48MM, which in turn is why I have been saying the Kings only have room for one big signing. For example: Hossa, $8MM, added to $48MM, is $56MM. Which is pushing right up against the ceiling, or what we imagine the ceiling to be.

    I haven’t seen the Hickey figure before. What is the breakdown?

  • Quisp

    p.s. a Preissing buy-out would be a cap hit of 2/3 of the contract’s value spread out over twice the length of the remaining contract. That works out to a cap hit of $917K.

  • AK47

    OK ok, Dravecky was a little joke, but the rest were really serious..

    Daniel-

    Is that Anthony leaving a comment in the Sharks blog? Woooooow hahahahahaha, that’s hilarious..

  • cfbuckster

    I believe that the cap is going to be lowered from 56.2 million (max) to somewhere around 55 million. I love D.L., but if they are not able to land a significant off season scorer with the maount that we’re under the cap, then my faith will be severly shaken. I know that Deano will do what he can, but we’ve been waiting too long for this moment (cap space, young foundation) to screw this up.

  • anthonyy

    Paying $7.5 Million to Handzus and Williams is a joke.
    A third line center and a utility player are not hard to find for cheap.

  • Daniel

    No more buyouts! Remember – guys on minor league rosters don’t count against the cap. If Preissing is not traded (I would like to see us obtain ALL the picks in the 7th round) he will most likely be sent to Manchester. He can still play (just not with us) and his experience and knowledge will benefit the development of the kids out there. Or he can quit. His choice.

    In addition to a ‘big name’, I think we need to add someone like Mikael Samuelsson. You can’t teach the kids what he’s got.

  • variable

    all things considered…

    we are in pretty good shape to land a decent UFA…

    i am just not as confident as our buddy Quispy in landing a player like hossa…
    even though i much rather have him than anyone else, i have a hard time believing that he wouldn’t want to go to a team that is closer in competing for the cup…

    gabby is looking more and more like the chosen one…

  • Big A

    I agree with you, Variable, regarding Hossa. I don’t think the money will be there, and frankly, even if it is, I think that Franzen long-term frontload opened the door for the Wings to re-sign Hossa.

    Long off-season though and plenty of teams will be forced to deal, so there could well be a surprise move or two.

  • brianguy

    obviously there are 3 names that really stick out from the RFA list and those are Boyle, Johnson, Purcell. you can probably add Moulson so that’s four. and Frolov (UFA) makes 5… these are the big ones the Kings have to deal with this summer — in addition to improving our team through signings / trade, and the draft.

  • Ersberg

    “Big name additions, etc..”

    Think more along the lines of a Justin Williams type of player and/or dollar figure. Do you guys honestly think DL will sign a guy for more then that? Trade or UFA, I just don’t see it happening.

  • AK47

    I can see DL signing Marian Gaborik or Martin Havlat..

  • jleung

    Doughty DOES carry a cap hit of 3.475M/yr for the next two seasons. Both nhlnumbers and hockeybuzz have it right.

    Hickey’s average salary for the next three seasons is 846k. His bonus is 500k/season, making his cap hit 1.346M.

  • Ersberg

    “I can see DL signing Marian Gaborik or Martin Havlat..”

    Give me a dollar figure. I’ll bet it won’t help matters for the ’10-’11 season, especially if the cap comes down. I’ll also bet either of those guys will want at least $7+ to play in LA, especially Havlat.

  • variable

    the kings are allowed to sign gabby to a performance based contract because of him missing 100+ games over the last two years…current CBA guidelines allow such a deal to be worked out…
    having said that…it’s pretty doubtful that gabby/agent would be willing to do such a deal, considering there will be other teams out there that will be throwing their money at him w/out that type of caveat…
    but what works in the kings favor…if gabby is the player they decide upon to chase…is that he really would like to play out here…gabby has a home in the off-season in l.a. and is a part of the group of players that works out in the off-season in da’ o.c.

    havlat is the same type of player when it comes to the be familiar to the IR, but does not qualify for the same type of deal…

    i much rather have gabby that havlat…IMO….

    i think it’s more than a 50/50 chance…maybe 65/35…that gabby will be a king next season…

    i don’t have a direct source on this, but my gut feeling is that he fits into the kings budget and design more so than any other UFA…(not counting trades, folks)…

  • Big A

    jLeung – good call. I plead temporary blindness for not noticing Doughty’s 2.6M bonus figures on the right hand side.

  • Ersberg

    I just think you guys are gunning a bit high in the dollar department. Ideally the Kings should stay within the $4-5m/per range, and less if possible.

    A guy like Cheechoo comes to mind, but his a RW, which causes some positional issues.

    Sturm is a possibility. Gagne is another, plus he has the Philly connection, and plays a decent two-way game.

    There are many, many cheaper options out there, not to mention what Dean said in that they need to “fit” here. The guys I mentioned are far more “King meat” than Gabs, Havs, or even Kovy are.

    The only top-notch guy that would definitely qualify is Hossa, but he’ll probably stay in Detroit.

  • Ersberg

    “What is the love affair that all of you inexperienced hockey fans have with signing European hockey players?

    The Ducks will prove that grit will defeat the detroit Euro wing wimps. You’ll see.”

    Did you intend to post this elsewhere? What does this have to do with anything Kings related? And if you did intend to post this here, what’s with your obvious dislike of Euro players? Ever hear of Teemu Selanne? Pavel Datsyuk ring a bell? How about Nik Lidstrom? Hossa? Havlat? Jagr? Did you ever watch the Kings in the ’90s? How about this one…Kurri? Palfy? I take it you’re seeing a trend, here.

  • anthonyy

    Ersberg,

    Please, NO MORE Philly stooges.
    No to Simon Gagne. He ckoked again in the playoffs.

  • Quisp

    variable -

    It’s 100 days, not games, I believe. Also, I’m nearly positive that if you sign a player to a performance-based contract, it must be a one-year deal, which would probably be a horrible idea (but maybe not, i don’t know).

  • Ersberg

    Anthony-

    You have a point, but you also have to consider what a change a scenery may do for a player. Take Cheechoo for example. He is a perfect candidate for a “Kings experiment” that we’re known for doing.

    Gagne is a better all-around player, of course.

  • Reign Fan

    Wasn’t anthonyy asked already to stop the bashing?

  • Johnny Utah

    Thanks for the info Rich

  • JB

    The Handzus haters (and some degree Stoll haters) need to stop focusing on their title of “3rd line center”. They produced 18 goals and are solid defensively. Yeah if you want a Pahlson that doesn’t score goals you could pay less. But Handzus & Stoll also play on PP so get away from the idea that they are merely a 3rd line utility center.

    On separate note- What does the crowd think about idea that DL trades for a RFA instead of going after the UFAs? Some RFA’s out there include Zherdev (left winger), Steve Bernier, Drew Stafford, Ryan Clowe, Ville Leino (unproven but impressive potential in his 1st year). And on somewhat related note what are chances Hossa doesn’t resign w/ DET. Anyone care to venture? I don’t see how they keep him w/ cap coming down.

    SJ may also be looking to make major changes but doubt they want to trade to a division rival.

  • deadcatbounce

    Handzus signed a couple of years ago, when the money was flowing like wine. If he were a UFA this offseason you can bet he wouldn’t receive nearly that much. The cap will come down slightly for next season, but it could drop precipitously for the 2010-’11 season. And if all my forwards scored eighteen goals I think I might be pretty happy.

  • variable

    QUISPY…

    thanx for the correction…

  • khanon81

    JB,

    Handzus and Stoll are both very good third line centers who could fill in on the PP occasionally and PK frequently. Our second line center should be big Brian Boyle. Handzus and Frolov should be traded, since they’re both in their last year of their respective contracts and teams would be interested in renting them out for a year. By dumping them, the Kings would save $8 million right there. You could sign two solid forwards with grit and skill for that amount and that would make for a nice playoff push and performance.

    Your welcome for my hockey wisdom and insight.

  • 4thlinechecker

    Khanon81, the new “blog badass”…. “A Blogger with Grit and size” HA!. Where did you get your infinite hockey wisdom? How did you become the Kings fan with the highest hockey IQ?……… Really dude, where did you play, coach?…. etc.? Play-station hockey does’nt count bud…. All I hear is you spewing laughable nonsense and attacking people’s inteligence. You put Anthony to shame… It’s really not cool man

  • deadcatbounce

    Khanon81, Handzus has two more years to go on his contract. Guess you don’t know as much about your favorite team as you thought…

  • variable

    so you want to dump players without asking them if they would like to stay and agree upon terms…?

    frolov has already professed that he “absolutely” wants to stay and would love to make the playoffs with the team that drafted him…

    DEADCAT already educated you on the handzus situation, which you are completely clueless on…zus was arguably our MVP this past season…

    boyle has proven very little and is on the bubble…remember, they are playing hockey…not arena football…

    yr intelligence is constantly being exploited…

  • khanon81

    deadcatbounce,

    As you may be aware, nobody’s perfect, we all make mistakes from time to time. Although, I must admit, thats probably the first mistake I’ve made the whole year. Good looking out though, I appreciate the work ethic. Please continue to scavenge my postings and seek out errors.

    This Variable guy seems to enjoy putting me down and calling me names. This serves as evidence that he has lost the battle and has nothing further to state except for insults. Variable, we all know you can’t hang with me, just give up already. Your behavior is comparable to Kostopalous’ fighting ability.

  • variable

    talk about yr illusions of grandeur…

    ya…i called you names first…yr kidding me, right..?

    go back and do yr research, pal…

    everybody…i mean everybody here…not just me…has called you out…

    now you want to change history and cry behind a lamb and try to convince everybody here…who has already on their own volition stated their contempt for yr posts…that yr just an innocent bystander…?????

    ppppllllleaaassee…

    because i’m nice and it’s not in my nature to go after anybody unprovoked…and yr kidding yrself otherwise if you didn’t provoke me…i’ll be happy to do a chronological order of said posts…i’ll extend an olive branch in hopes you can get beyond this point and continue like one of the respected here that might disagree with opinions being rendered, but is able to keep it above the line…

    deal..?

  • khanon81

    Variable,

    I accept your olive branch and look forward to further educating you with real, insightful hockey knowledge.

  • GoKings09

    Variable,

    I got your back on this one. I don’t know what Khanon is thinking with most of these posts.

    Khanon, if you want people to actually listen to and respect your opinions it would be smart to put some real thought and reasoning behind what you are spewing out. Just saying “I am hockey god and know everything” or your misguided opinion that all Euro players suck and NA ones are better is just going to make people either mad because its bogus or ignore you because its bogus.

    -GoKings09

  • JDM

    aaaah, I thought we’d just disposed of all the silly nonsense. Guess not.

    Even I’m getting sick of reading those types of comments.

    Oddly, anthony doesn’t bother me at all and I commend him for cleaning up his ask.

    When anthony has become an example of how to give a harsh opinion without being an a-hole, you know there’s a problem.

    Onto off-season moves. We all know the Philly connection is there, whether you like it or not, which makes this intruiging:

    “‘I’d like a little more time to reflect,” Holmgren [Flyer's GM] told the paper. ‘My quick response is we lost an inordinate amount of faceoffs. I think our guys are going to get better in the faceoff circle, but if you have one go-to guy it would certainly help, and we didn’t really have that guy.’”

    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phi090427.html

    Does anyone else think that is the perfect signal to trade Handzus or Stoll + a little somethin’ somethin’ for Briere? Or Gagne? Or Hartnell? We all know changes are coming in Philly now, and one, if not two of those three will probably be moved, though Hartnell is the least likely.

    DL wanted Briere as a UFA. I think he has a NMC, but Philly will be desparate to get his 6.5(?) cap hit off their over-stuffed books. If you lose Handzus or Stoll’s cap hit, you still have room for Frolov and a good UFA signing, but probably not Gaborik or the like.

    I don’t know. I’m totally happy having Handzus and Stoll center the second and third line, but Briere would give us a bona-fide second line center. He can score and for a little guy, he mucks it up a bit.

    Just throwing that out there. Thoughts?

  • JDM

    Oops, forgot to mention Antropov as a possible UFA.

    For those wanting Boyle as the 2nd line center, Antropov is already what it looks less and less likely Boyle will ever become.

  • deadcatbounce

    JDM, I was thinking that Brierre is a little small for a DL guy, but he does have that Philly connection. I wonder if he might try to package the pick and some players (Frolov?) and perhaps some prospects to try to get Tavares?

  • JDM

    I thought he was too small too, but then I remembered hearing that DL pushed hard to sign him and Drury as UFA’s, both small guys, but they have lots of character, which I think DL values over physical size.

    The fact that we are deep at face-offs now and that is a position of strength even though we lack a proto-typical true second line center, and that Philly openly said they thought face-offs were their weak point and a big reason for their playoff failures just makes me think there is no way there isn’t another trade with Philly this off-season. We definately know they will talk.

    For whatever reason I don’t think DL cares about Tavares, but that’s a guess. Now Hedman? I imagine DL has wet dreams about Hedman. Still, I think if DL tries to move up in this draft it will be packaging a prospect and a pick with the 35th overall to move into the 15-25 overall range.

  • deadcatbounce

    Andropov would definitely seem to be a DL kind of guy, but he’s been so inconsistent over the years. If he could only get it going full-time…

  • darko25o

    JDM,
    Giroux is perfectly similar to what I believe Moller will be next season.
    Its just really scary to put those 2nd line center expectations on a player who was a healthy scratch for so many games, but I don’t see a drop off from Briere to what Moller will be in the very near future, look what Giroux did to push Briere to the wing.
    I do agree with you on Briere being shopped, but i think the second most likely is Hartnell, as Gagne was back to his old form, and is a 40 goal threat.

  • JDM

    Good point darko, I too have high hopes for Moller.

  • src3

    To all…. this is my first year on this blog. Love all the discussions and intelligent comments. The easiest way of dealing with kanon and Anthony is to not respond. They are living off your irritations. Just ignore!

    Please no Briere………he has 5 years left on his enormous 6.5/yr contract. Gange is one west coast hit away from retirement. Hartnell is what we need, however will probably cost too much. Phi is introuble. They want J Bow and have no way to accomodate with the payroll. Briere has NTC.

    Dont mind Stoll as nr. 2 center for one more year. Moller will hopefully be ready in 2011 to overtake that role and Zues contract then expires. Agree that Gabby is probably our only shot at a scoring UFA, I would most definately take a 1 year injury based contract chance with him. The cap goes down in 2011 and we can still sign him if all works out and he likes LA. As for now Fro needs to be resigned for 3-5 more years and JJ short term.

  • variable

    SRC3…

    i agree w/everything yr saying…

    i, too, rather have a guy like hartnell than briere…

    BAKO had mentioned a scenario a couple of weeks ago where, even though it might be against popular opinion, d.l. doesn’t do much to tinker with things and lets the players already here bond and try to figure it out themselves…

    i like the idea of getting two above average team players who have 30/40 goal history potential than blowing all our funds on one player…and like many here, i don’t think d.l. is going to go after any one person that’s going to break the bank…but like i said before, i think gabby is the guy we are going to get…it seems to make sense in all facets of operational expenses and team need(s)…

    DEADCAT mentions antropov and i also agree with his assessment that the big guy is very inconsistent…if people have issues w/frolov’s inconsistency, they haven’t seen nothing, as antropov might be the biggest (literally) enigma on the wing…

    ERSBERG had mentioned cheechoo…i couldn’t disagree more with him on that one (no offense, buddy…!)…that train has been off it’s tracks for a few seasons now…and there’s no sign of him getting it back on…

    JDM…you make the same point i did a few weeks back about zus and/or stoll being dealt…i thought it was all contingent on a few future things like 1.) the development of the farm and breakthrough performances come training camp and 2.) whether or not the kings will seriously be playoff contenders come deadline next season…but if it involves danny b. coming back in any deal, then i’m not so sure…he has a nice 2nd line pivot game, as you’ve stated, but i’m thinking we can get somebody cheaper to fill that role or already might have that person at camp next season…

    but yeah…conspiracy or not…there is a philly connection…but teams have those type of alliances/deals between each other all the time and i’m not necessarily against such a thing as long as it benefits us in the long run…

  • deadcatbounce

    khanon81 said:

    As you may be aware, nobody’s perfect, we all make mistakes from time to time. Although, I must admit, thats probably the first mistake I’ve made the whole
    year.

    No, the first mistake you made this year, at least on this blog, is joining it.

    Sorry, folks, couldnt resist

  • darko25o

    The antropov ? is a very intriguing subject to me. Russian players seem to play at a completely different level when there is another top tier Russian on the team. So my ? is, would Frolov’s game be elevated to the next level with Nik pushing him, and vice versa?
    I just don’t see it happening, as there are too many centerman we have to plug in, but it is an interesting concept.

  • Ersberg

    “ERSBERG had mentioned cheechoo…i couldn’t disagree more with him on that one (no offense, buddy…!)…that train has been off it’s tracks for a few seasons now…and there’s no sign of him getting it back on…”

    Fair enough, but I can’t stress how important it is not to overlook how much a change of scenery can do for a career. By your same logic, we wouldn’t have taken a chance on Williams, but we did.

    One thing Cheech has that Williams doesn’t is a 50-goal season. I do appreciate your comments, however.

  • variable

    ERSBERG….

    i’m just not a big cheechoo fan…he’s not the same player he showed us a few years back…

    but like you said, maybe he needs a change of scenery…the psyche of a goal scorer is a complex thing…maybe he needs a new arena…?

  • Ersberg

    Variable-

    He’s buried on the Sharks’ 3rd line, so bringing him aboard with a clean slate would do wonders for his ‘psyche’. I think he’d do great here. His contract might be a bit problematic, though. If he scores 40+ playing alongside Kopitar, I don’t really care what his contract is.

    Cheech has the SJ connection, plus he has something DL is after..playoff experience.

    Did you honestly see the Williams trade coming at the deadline? Did you feel we’d deal for someone like that? Who would have thought, right? Dean makes these kinds of deals. What I’m getting at is, don’t be surprised if that’s the kind of deal we see in the off season. Just something to consider.

  • variable

    i hear what yr saying…

    cheechoo had been buried on the 3rd line because of his poor play and lack of production…mclellan gave him ample opportunity to succeed earlier in the season, having cheech on both the 1st and 2nd lines for long stretches of time…

    some things that was very noticeable about his game slipping was his lack of physical presence in front of the net…cheech also didn’t keep his feet moving or skating enough to follow through on a play…he also didn’t get his shot on net often…

    maybe yr right…maybe he finds his game somewhere else…

    to answer yr other questions…

    no…no way did i see that jw/sully AND A 2ND ROUNDER coming …i think everybody was surprised on that one…

    i do believe that jw can make a significant difference on this team…but i did say immediately after it all went down that it was a high-risk/high-reward trade and a bit puzzling as to why d.l. even took the chance on it…but it was obvious sully was having a hard time adapting to t.m.’s new system and he, in his own way, was displaying his un-satisfaction towards it…he was the first one to comment on the constant line juggling publicly…i can’t say i blame him for his feelings…i, too, thought that t.m. didn’t give the lines enough time to gel and excel…maybe there was a bit of push back that we were not privy to in the locker room or at practice that sully displayed that escalated the necessity to unload him…i don’t know…but that addition of a second-rounder still bothers me more than anything else with that deal…unless jw returns to form with consistent 30+ goal seasons, we overpaid…

  • Ersberg

    Variable-

    So, then you see why DL might take a chance on a guy like Cheech? A former high production player, turned injured, turned stale. He needs a change. He’s no longer injured, but he blew his comeback on trying to “fit” with the newer SJ line-up.

    I do feel the Williams deal will pan out for us, I should have mentioned that. I just wanted to point out that it’s the type of deal we’ll most likely be faced with in the offseason. I do agree the 2nd was overpayment, but that’s only if he doesn’t pan out. That’s the business, though.

  • variable

    ERSBERG…

    cheech is signed for two more seasons at $3mil/per…

    you are right when you say it would be a d.l. type of gamble on him…very similar to jw, as it would be another high-risk/high-reward situation…

    but how many of those situations can we afford to have all at once…? plus, all the gambles and uncertainty our prospects face…we have soooo much to work out between now and next season with all of them, why add another question mark to the puzzle…?

    i just think we should look elsewhere…

  • khanon81

    Cheech is definitely the wrong fit for the Kings. What the Kings need are big forwards up front to complement the skill of Kopi, Brown, and Williams. We don’t need anymore players upfront that will consistently get pushed around, embarrassed, and injured. Lets bring some respect to LA for once and for all…

    DL should substitute Handzus and Frolov for Hartnell and Clowe… That way, Muller wouldn’t look that small and European if hes dressed. In fact, Muller might actually play well with some size up front. Also, DL should resign armstrong, play Clune, swap Ivanans for Westgarth….

  • khanon81

    I meant swap Westgarth for Ivanans

  • Ersberg

    I disagree. We need players that can score goals. Clowe doesn’t score a lot. Hartnell is good, but guess what? Philly won’t trade him. No, we need to go after guys that want to play here, fit in TM’s system, and are affordable. You mention Moller being up front, but don’t give a guy like Cheech a shot? That’s interesting, since Cheech is bigger, and is a proven goal scorer.

    Your additions don’t make sense to me at all.

    Try again.

  • Ersberg

    Variable-

    He is a gamble, but there’s always some type of gamble involved in any deal. With that said, we won’t end up with Cheech, but it’s a deal I could see happening, though. At any rate, I think DL signs a guy that has a bit better overall value, even if he costs more money.

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