Forum answers VIII

OK, I believe I got through all the non-duplicated questions from this week. Thanks to everyone for all the interest and the questions. I’ll be going out to at least one day of the prospects camp, so hopefully I’ll get some good stuff from that. Here’s the final set of answers…

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Question: And a question, back at the trade deadline was it Frolov the Avalanche wanted for Smyth or was it Bernier, Teubert, and a pick. I remember it both ways!

Answer: I later found out that it was acutally Teubert or Hickey, Bernier and the No. 5 pick. Quite a dramatic change from that to Kyle Quincey, Tom Preissing and a fifth-round pick. But remember that, among other factors, the Avalanche also had a change in general managers.

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Question: What about Jason Smith for the 6/7 dman?

Answer: Jason Smith made roughly $2 million. Unless he’s interested in a decent sized pay cut, I don’t really see that being an option.

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Question: If you have another open forum, I would like to know if you think Ryan Smyth will be the teams captain next year.

Answer: No, I wouldn’t anticipate that at all. The whole point of transferring the leadership to the young guys was to establish a “leadership group” that could be around for a long time. Smyth, at 33, isn’t old, but he’s not a guy who is going to be in a leadership position with the Kings for the next decade. Brown is that guy.

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Question: Does the trade for Smyth mean we wont be in the running for Kovalchuk next year? Don’t get me wrong, I love the Smyth trade, but i still think we need that pure goal scorer. Your thoughts?

Answer: From what I understand at the moment, Kovalchuk isn’t on the trade market and is something of a longshot to hit the free-agency market. I’m a huge fan of Kovalchuk’s game, but at this point he doesn’t seem like a realistic option.

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Question: Do the Kings have any interest in defensemen Mathieu Scnheider?

Answer: Again, you’re talking about a guy who made $5.5 million last season. I highly doubt that he’s going to take enough of a pay cut to put him in the Kings’ range.

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Question: I would like to go back to the draft if I may. Just before the New York Rangers were about to pay tribute to Alexie Cherapanov the analysts on TSN said that the Rangers were going to receive a conditional draft pick in the middle of the second round for compensation of Alexie’s Death. My question is, Does the NHL have something written where a team receives a draft pick when a player dies or was this done for this particular circumstance. Do you also know if the Vancouver Canucks received a compensatory pick for the death of Luc Bourdon? Both Alexie and Luc were selected 10th overall in the first round in their respective drafts.

Answer: It’s actually a very strict policy that doesn’t have anything to do with a player’s death. The Rangers got the compensatory pick because they didn’t sign Cherapanov. The Canucks didn’t get a compensatory pick because they had signed Bourdon before he died.

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Question: Rich, do you know if DL is actively talking to other GM’s about a potential trade, either for another scorer or somebody for that third-line LW, or looking for free agents to fill those roles?

Answer: Not to my knowledge. The only thing he has talked about is adding a defenseman.

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Question: What time do the NHL guys skate at Toyota? Is there any way to find out if not? Thanks again for everything

Answer: I don’t believe they’re on the ice at all this week, at least not as a group. Some guys skate in smaller groups at different times, but there’s no scheduled “Kings ice time.”

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Question: where are my car keys?

Answer: Were you wearing a jacket? Check your pockets.

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Question: Will you be attending the kings game in ontario this year against San Jose?

Answer: Yeah, if the scheduling works out I’d kind of like to check it out.

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Question: Rich, why the distain for Travis Moen??

Answer: No disdain for Travis Moen at all. It’s just confusion about how the acquisition of a third-line winger became the Holy Grail of 2009. If I’m a Kings fan, there are plenty of other, more relea things to worry about first.

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Question: Any interest in Chelios by DL? Seems like a good fit as a #7 D. Cheap, owns property in the area, and would be a good ‘criminal element’ to tutor the kiddies in the finer points of filth.

Answer: Chelios has been pretty straightforward about wanting to play in the East. Interesting idea though.

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Question: Is there a chance of getting Luc to do a Q&A, like Jim does?

Answer: Definitely. Good idea.

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Question: Cam Barker re-signed with the Hawks for $9.25 over 3 years. That sounds pretty much exactly what JJ should get.

Answer: Seems very reasonable to me.

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Question: Where do you think Oscar Moller will end up this year? I know DL & TM (and myself) were impressed with his performance last year. We obviously have our top three centers in Kopitar, Stoll, and Handzus…does Moller fit in at #4, or does Trevor Lewis move up this year to take that spot, leaving Moller down in Manchester? Is using Moller as a winger something that they would look at?

Answer: I would tend to think that Moller will stick with the Kings, as long as he puts on a little bulk this summer. The Kings love his competitiveness, and as you allude to, Moller can also move over to the wing if necessary, so that increases his chances of sticking around.

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Question: Hey Rich, do you know the different friendship circles that have formed in the locker room or out of the locker room among the kings? Like are Simmonds and Moller buddies, Stoll and Brown, etc. The only one I had known about last year was sully and quincey…both of whom are now gone…

Answer: I’m pretty sure Simmonds and Moller shared a place last year, at least for part of the season. Brown and Kopitar have been close, and obviously Doughty lived with Greene last year so I’m sure there’s some rapport there. Truth be told, you don’t want too many “friendship circles” in the room. Makes it easier for division to take place. You’d rather have a room full of guys who get along, even if they’re not best buddies.

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Question: Rich, do you know what number Scuderi is going to wear? He wore #4 in Pittsburgh, but of course that was Blake’s number.

Answer: Looks like he’s going to wear No. 4 with the Kings.

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Questions: 1)Do you think Dean Lombardi uses his public statements calling out Anze Kopitar’s conditioning or Alexander Frolov’s compete level as a motivation tactic or as open criticism? It seems like he like’s what these players have to offer so he tries to motivate them using public comments. I don’t recall him using similar tacticts with Cammy or Sully, hence they’re gone. 2) Do you think this is smart to do? It makes him seem like he’s unsure about his “core” at times. And of course, the obligatory question of the week…How long will Frolov remain a King? I kid…

Answers: 1) I think you’re completely on target with your analysis. It’s not uncommon for coaches/management to be hardest on those they expect the most out of, and this is probably a good example of that. If Lombardi considered those players to be “lost causes” — and I’m not saying that was the case with Cammalleri and/or O’Sullivan — he wouldn’t even bother. 2) There’s a certain amount of risk involved any time you publicly call out a player. A good coach/executive knows what a player will react to, and knows which buttons to push. There’s a fine line between motivating a player and pushing him away, and presumably Lombardi knows where that line is when it comes to Kopitar and Frolov. 3) I predict that by the time I post these answers, Frolov will still be with the Kings.

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Question: Rich, teams like Detroit, Pittsburgh and even Philly have a blend of skill and toughness. With the exception of Doughty and Kopi I still wonder if the Kings are a bit “strong” on the character now and a tiny bit “light” on the skill front. Would be very interested in your view. Thanks (if I haven’t gotten this in too late).

Answer: I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive. There’s a big difference between Ryan Smyth and Derek Armstrong, for instance. Armstrong, even though I admire the heck out of him, is high character and low skill. Smyth, from all accounts, is high character and high skill. Same for Scuderi. So I don’t necessarily think that adding one means you’re subtracting the other.

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Question: Regarding the UPS Logo (which I like, actually): Rich, what are your favorite three (current) NHL Logos (third Jerseys included)?

Answer: Just the logo, as opposed to the overall jersey? I’d say my three favorites are Red Wings, the Blackhawks and the Rangers. As usual, the old school wins out. I like the Kings’ crown logo as well, but dislike the “shield.” The Ducks’ logo, which is one my least favorites, would be one of my favorites if they simply used the “webbed D” instead of the script on the jersey.

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Question: Who is Michael Jackson? Old time hockey player?

Answer: According to HockeyDB, Michael Jackson played three games for the Billingham Bombers of the British Hockey League during the 1995-96 season.

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Question: Any chance of DL hiring Dave Tippett to run the offense and powerplay?

Answer: Pretty doubtful. At the last GM breakfast, Lombardi basically said he leaves the staff in Terry Murray’s hands and that Murray doesn’t like a large staff. I don’t anticipate any changes.

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Question: Also, What’s going to happen to Derek Armstrong?

Answer: If I had to guess, I’d say he will play in Europe, possibly in Switzerland.

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Question: On a team this young, does any rookie hazing go on?

Answer: It’s not as overt as it is in baseball, where the guys carry the pink backpacks and dress up in drag for road trips, but Doughty took his fair share of ribbing from the veterans last year, albeit in a good-natured way.

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Question: Your thoughts on Gauthier as a player? % chance of seeing him back this year?

Answer: As much as I dislike the term, Gauthier is what he is. You’re talking about a 6/7 defenseman who is going to play a handful of minutes per game. He’s not going to be a Norris Trophy candidate and he’s going to make mistakes. It would be sort of like expecting your utility infielder to hit .300. That said, you can’t have a huge liability on your team.

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Question: Its a common trend that when a player is on a contract year with Dean Lombardi he is not shy “expressing his opinion”. Wierd eh!?

Answer: Frolov wasn’t in a contract year last year.

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Question: Rich, ever get to an ECHL game? I can imagine that for someone in your position that would probably seem like overkill (or, underkill). The Long Beach Ice Dogs were right there in your neighborhood for a long time; maybe you saw one of their games. Do you think the Kings might ever move their AHL team west of the Mississippi? Seems like that would be a great economical move if they could convince other West Coast teams to do the same.

Answer: I actually went to an Ontario-Stockton game last year. Nice arena, fun game, including the fan behind us who didn’t know which team was the Reign. The thought of moving AHL teams West periodically comes up, but it’s not likely to ever happen unless there’s some type of West division created. Just having one or two teams in the West would be a logistical nightmare. Imagine if the Kings and Ducks were the only NHL teams in the West, and the next-closest team was Detroit…

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Question: Just curious Rich, do you read every post…?

Answer: Every comment? No. I read the ones that need to be approved, and if it’s a busy day I will just skim most of them for content.

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Questions: Did you know the Kings had “exclusive rights” to talk to Hossa? I was surprised the fact that several teams had an advantage over others before July 1 wasn’t mentioned in the press, especially in Canada.. Or are these little side deals something that happen all the time? Do you get the feeling Kovalchuk will make it to UFA-Frenzy next year, or will he be traded/re-signed before that?

Answers: 1) Are you asking if I knew at the time, or after? I reported it after the fact, but I did not know at the time. There were two other teams, but Lombardi says even he doesn’t know who the other two teams were. I believe Boston was one. It’s not unprecedented for a deal like that to go down, but it’s also not commonplace. Only a big name would warrant something like that. 2) As I answered earlier, current indications seem to be that Atlanta will make a huge push to re-sign Kovalchuk.

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Questions: 1) Do you know who the other two teams with exclusive negotiating rights for Hossa were? What was the compensation going to be? My presumption is that the Blackhawks were not one of them as they did not have to give up anything after signing him. 2) As a loyal fan, I hope for the best and can appreciate Lombardi’s openness with his plan over the past few years. Still, in analyzing his process, do you or has he even mentioned to you any potential shortcomings to his plan that will not allow the Kings to be a consistent winner (Injuries not withstanding). 3) A little crystal balling…in 2-3 years Stoll, Williams, Smyth, and Handzus contracts are up (as well as Frolov this year). Obviously, there is free agency, but who are the current prospects that can fill some of those top six vacancies? In my mind Schenn, Loktionov, and Moller, maybe. Kinda of thin on talent, no?

Answers: 1) No, I don’t know for sure, and Lombardi said that even he didn’t know. I believe one of them was Boston. Not sure what the compensation would have been, but it almost certainly would have involved a couple draft picks. 2) No, I wouldn’t expect him to come out and say, “This is how my plan could fail,” but I think it’s fairly obvious. When your strategy focuses so heavily on internal development, the prospects must develop into NHL players. For instance, the Kings have a stable of goalie prospects right now. If one of them develops into a star, Lombardi ends up looking like a genius. If they all flop, he’s a moron. The success or failure of those prospects will play a big part in Lombardi’s ultimate success or failure. 3) I can’t say I really understand the question. Are you projecting that the prospects aren’t going to develop into NHL players? If so, then yes, there will be a problem. But if Schenn, Loktionov, Moller, etc., develop into strong NHL players, then there’s not a problem. Plus, all four of the players you mentioned came from outside the organization, so there’s a good chance they could also be replaced by players who come from outside the organization.

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  • tron

    Rich,
    A big THANK YOU to you! Now go enjoy your summer.

  • JGSmall

    For a while there, the Kings, the Seals and the Canucks were the only true West teams with St Louis and Chicago being the next stop.

  • vicarious

    Rich, the keys were in my jacket! You are possibly a genius, since I was not even the one who asked the lost keys question.

  • Bryan

    Anybody think with the investments AEG had with Michael Jackson(singer)had an effect on the Kings?

  • Chris Bond

    Vicarious, Why did you have a jacket on? Isnt it like 110 in So Cal. ?

  • brianguy

    Saku Koivu is no Travis Moen!

  • Bobby

    Michael Jackson will not have an effect on AEG. Im sure like all large companies, AEG’s holdings are segmented. Losses or gains in the concert part of AEG effect only the concert segment.

    Besides, im sure AEG has figured out a way to recoup their losses. Half the people have already selected a “special ticket” instead of a refund for their concert tickets. Plus, dont be surprised to see a tv deal or DVD come out of the rehersal video’s AEG owns.

  • Darrell

    Thanks Rich, yeah, my question was whether you knew about the exclusive Hossa talks at the time. I obviously found out about it along with everyone else through your DL interview. I think if that was reported beforehand the boards here and on other web discussion groups would’ve gone crazy! My real point was, why wasn’t that considered tampering? I mean, Wilson is being investigated for hinting at something re: the Sedins on some radio show… Here there’s a deal that actually has compensation of some kind, before the player is UFA. Oh well, moot point anyway, as we didn’t end up with the player. I wonder if any of the teams NOT in the “exclusive” group would’ve made a stink if he had signed with us.

  • brianguy

    “Plus, dont be surprised to see a tv deal or DVD come out of the rehersal video’s AEG owns.”

    they’ve already parlayed the planned cancelled overseas concerts into an actual, much smaller tribute concert here in the U.S. see next-to-last paragraph:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/07/07/judith-hill-heal-the-world-singer-from-jackson-memorial-revealed/

  • Kevin Y

    Great work as always, Rich. Now, please get off the computer for a few days and enjoy your summer! Let TSN handle any Kings news that may arise.

  • GKG

    Rich,
    You are a GODSEND! Summer would be unbearable without you.
    Thanks again for all the work you put into keeping us informed!

  • david

    just a quick random question (for maybe the next Forum Answers…) that’s been bothering me. Do you think Sidney Crosby’s flaws are overlooked by the media? I thought he played an excellent series against the Capitals, and is one of the best players in the league, BUT i think he’s starting to become injury-prone and he was not a big factor in the Stanley Cup finals (and esp in Game 7).

  • JPKelly

    So it’s summer, you’re lolly-gagging on the sand in Manhattan Beach, and you stumble upon Aladdin’s lamp. You give it a rub and — shazam! — right before your eyes materializes the hottest bikini-clad babe you could ever imagine… with a hockey stick in her hand. She says, “Hey baby, it’s your lucky day. You get to pick one wish: Do you want to see some of my skill? Some of my character? Or the LA Kings tattoo on my butt?”

  • tomaindenver

    Rich, if the Denver Post worked as hard on the Avalanche as you do on the Kings, I’d probably subscribe to the Denver Post. As it is, I can’t believe the amount of work you do for Kings fans (including this one outside of Denver). Keep up the good work. I realize newspapers are a rough gig right now, economically, but know that you are incredibly appreciated!

  • jet

    Thanks a lot for the mental image Jeep, I still have work to finish before I go home.

  • TeamHasHoles

    Hey Rich,

    Who’s Juraj Mikus and why am I reading about him at HF coming to development camp?

  • Chris Bond

    How much did Sador make last year he would be a nice fit?

    great web site check it out.
    http://www.nhlnumbers.com/

  • Bernie9

    ” tron said:
    Rich,
    A big THANK YOU to you! Now go enjoy your summer.

    Kevin Y said:
    Great work as always, Rich. Now, please get off the computer for a few days and enjoy your summer! Let TSN handle any Kings news that may arise. ”

    What are you guys talKing about???(…duck fans?)

  • http://www.jscohenlaw Jeff

    Rich, thank you so much for all that you do.

    Another question, maybe you can find the answer to this when you can:

    What ever happened with the Cloutier situation? The Kings formally bought him out, but I believe he objected claiming he was still injured at the time, and as such, couldn’t be bought out. I believe that the NHL backed the Kings because of an independent doctor’s declaration, but later heard that Cloutier was going to press it and go to arbitration on the issue? Any news on this? Thanks.

  • KevinWestgarth

    I hate reading about King rumors, especially rumors that I would love to see happen. King rumors never seem to pan out, and thats why I know Scotty Hartnell will not be dealt to LA :(

  • number 6

    Yeah Rich, I’m back in ny… come home late and tired, then see the last forum. My question was answered and I really got something out of your answer… it was well explained. My question though, whether answered or not…..I, like all the others here, so appreciate your commitment to this site.

    I’d also like to take this opportunity though to say that I found the quality of so many of the questions to be really high. Some very interesting ones were posed…. with the possible exception of Travis Moen who at this rate could become some sort of cult figure as regards the summer of 09.
    But sincerely, thanks again.

  • 4thlinechecker

    Enjoy your vacation Rich, I have withdrawals already, and you aren’t even gone yet.

  • jet

    Enjoy your time off. I hope this one is paid for and you have the opportunity to get away.

  • Chris Bond

    Rich, If you are going on vacation I have one word for you Blackberry incase somthing goes down like Sador comes to LA. I said it first…..

  • Harry

    Chris,
    Rich already owns an IPHONE, and does some posts thru his phone.

  • Cry Baby
  • MacSwede

    Hey Rich,

    Matthew Barry said this on Hockeybuzz (yeah I know its da buzz, but is is Barry..)

    The article is about Kings still interested in Scott Hartnell..

    “But after Lombardi admitted to Hammond the other day that he was indeed looking to acquire the gritty winger, I got word from a very well placed source that has told me that the Kings are still trying to acquire him.”

    Has Lombardi admitted that to you? Or is he just full of sh*t?

    I thougth you said he admitted going after another defenseman..

  • MacSwede

    I personally thinks it is very strange.. There is no room for Hartnells cap hit of 4.2 million, especially when they have not resigned JJ yet..

    But if you play with your mind a little bit, it would get very exciting lines..

    Frolov – Kopitar – Williams

    Smyth – Stoll – Brown

    Hartnell – Handzus – Simmonds

    Ivanans – Lewis – Clune/Cliche/Moller/Richardsson

    Doughty – Scuderi

    Johnson – Greene

    Harrold – Drewiske

  • nykingfan

    I would think if Hartnell is coming this way, Fro would be going the other way.
    Still want Hartnell?

  • MacSwede

    nykingfan!

    Short answer: nope

  • Quisp

    I think if they acquire Hartnell they would send no salary to PHI and then separately move Stoll to somebody else for prospects, or else just send Stoll to PHI, but I don’t think that’s enough cap relief for them.

  • nykingfan

    If you’re sending Fro to Philly, you’re not sending any salary…he’s relatively cheap at $2+ mil
    would make perfect sense for Philly…
    I hope we wouldn’t do that.

  • JB

    Quisp- If your using nhlnumbers it shows Philly w/ $2.157 million in space. So as long as it’s an even exchange in salary they would still be fine. I don’t see this happening though.

    DL can pick up guys next summer for cheaper. I agree that next summer UFA market will be depressed and cap will force top teams to look for picks/prospects vs. roster players from teams like LA.

  • mrbrett7

    JB…those numbers are not correct.

    As of right now, Philly is OVER the cap.

  • darko25o

    WOW….Hudler had 57 points, and now he’s only making 2mill, and in Russia! It would have been amazing to have this LWer on a line with Zeus and Simmonds…just a little over what we could have paid this year….

  • darko25o

    I find it interesting that nothing has been said about Shannahan. Apparently he can still play, and if he still wants to play in the NHL, and take a lot less $$$, why has nothing been said regarding teams possibly being interested?

  • Chris Bond

    http://www.nhlnumbers.com/
    Cap numbers go here…..

  • Quisp

    mrbrett/jb re PHI cap:

    you’re both right but jb is more right. i also was fooled by the nhlnumbers numbers for PHI. the confusion comes from the fact that they included rathje, who is on LTIR and is RETIRED in the Philly cap hit. this is just stupid. so you have to subtract 3.5 from their overage, which comes to 2.1 under. with 5 guys left to sign or promote from within. still horrible, but not AS horrible. they’re still going to have to move someone.

  • GoKings09

    I think SJ is the most screwed out of all the teams since they have so many players left to sign and very little cap space. They have to move someone and while that may be Cheechoo I dont see many teams wanting to take him on. I could see them moving Marleau in order to add another quality player with a lower cap hit giving them at least like 3 million in relief but they won’t give him away for free. I could see Lombardi being interested in Marleau and trying to bring him in as a top center with Kopitar and trading out Stoll or Handzus in return. Could make us a very very good team then with two top centers and lots of goalscorers that have gotten over 30 goals recently

  • Quisp

    gokings –

    yeah, i agree. cheechoo may well be moved, but that’s not enough cap relief for them. there are rumors about marleau being moved for a pick (!) which has the sharks fans up in arms and/or laughing derisively. on their blogs, they seem to think Marleau for Frolov, Moller and our 1st next year is more like it. they might have included johnson in that. i forget. they haven’t really come to grips with their cap reality.

  • GoKings09

    Quisp I agree that they would need cap relief but if Wilson trades him for only a pick or something then I think he would be fired pretty soon. They sharks want to win now which is why i could see something like stoll, forward prospect like purcell or someone and our second pick next year. they get stoll who can help them out now along with an almost ready prospect in purcell or lewis or someone and a pick for next year along with cap relief while we get a center that is truly a top center instead of using stoll or handzus there.

  • jason_bort

    Cry Baby –
    I’m sure Chris Bond is referring to Darryl Sydor. Right Chris?
    He would make a good fit for the money. He also knows how to win.

  • src3

    Hey Quisp and Gokings

    Why not Fro for Marleau. Then SJ flips Fro and Mich. for Heater.

    That is a total of 10.6 saved then subtract 7.5 for heater. Total of 3 mil saved.

    Ottawa subtracts 7.5 and takes on 3+4.3=wash out.

    We have a better chance at retaining marleau next year at a descent salary than having to pay Fro 5.5+.

    Whatcha think?

  • src3

    Of course we would have to throw in a pick. and maybe purcell.

  • src3

    Marleau-Kopi-JW
    Smitty-Stoll-Brown
    etc etc etc

  • MacSwede

    Interesting thought src3, but I think I would rather keep Frolov for one more season (yes I know it is a risk), and maybe trade him at the deadline if we dont sense that he is willing to stay here at a decent salary.

    I dont think we should do any more BIG trades, this is not the year that we should contend anyway. We have to get this grouping going now, and adding more players wont help. A players needs some time to adjust to the new environment, coaching style, tactics etc. Frolov is allready part of the system, and he knows it well.

    I think the team we have now will make the playoffs, maybe we need to add another defenseman, but thats all. Then next summer we can see how far we are going with the development. And we will see if we will be able to resing Fro. THEN we can make a big splash for another center, creating two good scoring lines. Then maybe Bernier, Hickey or Voinov is ready to make the team.

    Next summer will be even more interesting, and I think DL will make a BIG trade then….but only then ;)

    For now….lets make it to the playoffs!!!

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