Magic Johnson picks Michael Jordan over Kobe Bryant; offers high praise of Bryant

LOS ANGELES, UNITED STATES:  Michael Jordan of the Chicago Bulls (L) eyes the basket as he is guarded by Kobe Bryant of the Los Angeles Lakers during their 01 February game in Los Angeles, CA. Jordan will appear in his 12th NBA All-Star game 08 February while Bryant will make his first All-Star appearance. The Lakers won the game 112-87.  AFP PHOTO/Vince BUCCI (Photo credit should read Vince Bucci/AFP/Getty Images)

LOS ANGELES, UNITED STATES: Michael Jordan of the Chicago Bulls (L) eyes the basket as he is guarded by Kobe Bryant of the Los Angeles Lakers during their 01 February game in Los Angeles, CA. Jordan will appear in his 12th NBA All-Star game 08 February while Bryant will make his first All-Star appearance. The Lakers won the game 112-87. AFP PHOTO/Vince BUCCI (Photo credit should read Vince Bucci/AFP/Getty Images)

During the Q/A portion of Magic Johnson’s “Evening With” series at Long Beach State University Monday evening, the former Lakers great was asked to choose between Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant.

“Jordan over Kobe, even though I like Kobe a lot and Kobe is my man,” said Johnson. “But Michael Jordan never lost a Finals. Six trips and 6-0.”

“I love Kobe, but he is not Michael. But he’s the closest to (him) that we have ever seen. Kobe got game.”

Even though he called it an “easy” decision to pick Jordan over Bryant, Johnson did not hesitate to offer high praise of the Lakers superstar, who missed the majority of the season with knee injuries.

“I hope that (Kobe) is healthy so he can lead our Lakers back,” said Johnson. “He’s on my Mount Rushmore. He is unreal. Think about his mindset and attitude and how he can just do it night in and night out. That’s one thing great about Kobe. I love him.”

Johnson was also asked to choose between LeBron James and Kevin Durant. He said that was also an easy choice to make, seeing as James can beat an opponent in so many ways. But Johnson called Durant the MVP this season.

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  • Michael Webb

    Laker fan for life and BIG MAMBA fan but MJ was/is theG.O.A.T.

    • Linkdeville

      No Sir! Magic is. Check your history.

    • altamera74

      That’s right, as Magic himself says, Jordan is the GOAT.

    • disqus_4WqSodvOOR

      How come the “GOAT” couldn’t shoot even half as good from 3pt. Range? Look at some stats… Not percentage… Lets look at 3 pointers made!!!

  • Alphonso Covington

    STFU MAGIC!

  • Fresh2Def

    That says a lot for Kobe to be on Magic’s Mount Rushmore..I’m not the biggest Kobe fan but I am a fan of basketball & I got a great deal of respect for the Black Mamba & what he’s done over the course of his career #JordanJr

    • Boogzz

      #JordanJr indeed theirs no other way to put it and I’m a Laker Fan

      • Linkdeville

        I too am a Lakers fan. I have nothing but love for Kobe, but there may be a changing of the guard soon. I really think LeBron may surpass him. Kobe may be JordanJr, but LeBron is Magic Jr…a more superior player.

        • Ron

          Kobe is and will be the second best player of all-time LeBron will not pass him Kobe won 2 championship with a lower class superstar (Pau Gasol) It LeBron to do with 2 and Jordan is not clearly better than Kobe they are very close

          • Linkdeville

            As a HUGE Kobe fan you may be right. I just think LeBron is the only person who can surpass Kobe but only in rings. Let’s face it, there is always going to be someone in the waiting to excel beyond your accomplishments. I just believe LeBron may hit 6 rings. Just my thoughts…

          • Khoa Tran

            lebrons rings dont count… they come at a discount just like his paycheck and wades and bosch… its unamerican to accept less than you are worth in a fair competitive market… now if they were heat members like wade and loyalty discounts the pay expectation…. sure, but really, lebron n bosch is just part of a collusion to win unfairly

          • Linkdeville

            Surely you can’t be serious. To say LeBron or Bosh’s rings do not count is like saying D-Wade’s 1st ring shouldn’t count because Shaq went to Miami to help. Either way, it makes no sense whatsoever, because a great accomplishment is a great accomplishment no matter what.

          • Khoa Tran

            Dwades 1st counts cause shaqs’ services were for hire at full shaq price … if this FA summer… and every after, all these guys that are SuperStars take 10mill paychecks and have like 4 or five …. practically a dream team…. then older vets that were all stars…. I would hate that team and not bother watching the NBA or care if the won it all…. cause they bought it all with their discounted paychecks

          • Linkdeville

            But wait…isn’t that all a part of building a team? I mean, people are dissin Kobe because of this years deal saying he should have taken a pay cut to allow room for others to come over. In short, I am having a hard time tracking where the real issue with the way the Heat built that team is unworthy of their accomplishments. Try to explain it a different way.

          • Khoa Tran

            I don’t diss Kobe for his HUGE contract… sure …I hoped it would be 16 ..18 mill.. his projected performance value with a little veterans good ol faithul bonus added in…….but he got what he got… not a matter of deserving or not as he deserves more than 45 mill a year, his marketing value to the Lakers……but I am glad he got his money… players have a short Playing window…. Careers like Kobe’s are highly unusual…. He should get paid, and players should get paid. People that diss his contract are not able to be unselfish… they want their team to win and their team’s players to sacrifice their body and livelihood for the sake of the team and the joys of that fanbase… but when they get old or injured, the fans start discarding them like trash as some have expressed such sentiments….. even about someone as great as Kobe…

            Kobe’s contract aside…

            Stars n Superstars are, because of two reasons…. talent and competitive mentality… ie… why Paul George is not considered a SS by other NBA players… because mentally, he is not competive enough yet … so when you have these three Super Stars, in their prime, get together on a team, taking less money than their market worth, with the idea of running over the other teams to a championship…. its not just not organic and uncapitalistic….but a slap to the nature of the athlete, to compete and find competition…. Seriously, I question their hearts. They are saying they would not have minded playing the timberwolves for a championship… but the point is not to just attain a championship, but to earn it. To go through the Bad Boys of Detroit, The Jordan Bulls, the Magic Lakers… By getting together, its the equivalent of a cheat sheet for a test.

            Now… why the money / market price issue…..

            If the Heat had signed Lebron at his market value, and Bosch the same…. there would be no or little room for Battier and Chalmer contracts and Mr 3 pointer and so on… the Super Star advantage would level off with low quality complementary players… because there is only so far over the luxury tax line a team will go to win…. but by taking less money each… very selfless of each player indeed…. but very selfish in the big picture as the Heat were able to bring in amazing second stringers…. and thus sucking up more of the talent pool that would have populated other teams… its just winning by buying….

            I hated it when the Lakers had brought in Malone and Payton… they were obviously taking less money to be here… significantly less… that stuff is wrong… I am glad we did not win it all that year…

          • Linkdeville

            So, let me try to decipher what you are saying…
            Are you saying if a superstar takes less money for the sake of bringing in players that could help win a championship (the real reason all of them play) that makes them less than? I really see no logic in that assessment. It’s actually very unselfish to do that. Besides, all players want to get the accolades from their fans that will come from delivering a championship to their city. After they win a ring, the money will come regardless.
            I look at players like Malone, Stockton Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, Chris Weber…all of which have made a serious amount of money…and will guarantee they wish they had at least 1 ring to show for, but they do not. BTW, Payton has a ring with the Heat.

          • Khoa Tran

            so… Now there is talk of bringing in Carmelo… I guess you are all for that.. and then in two years… here comes KD, and Dwight then its Heat Team USA vs everyone else in the NBA… puh lease…. anyone can see that they are trying to stifle competition and overpower and out muscle the rest of the NBA… thus their playing style, , simple run and dunk high field goal percentage offense. Its such an underhanded tactic, P. Riley figured he did not need a real coach, letting Eric learn on the job…. Do you know why Jordan is the Goat? Because Malone and Johnson and Bird were not on the Bulls… Jordan took his beating and found a way to overcome it and triumph against the best of his era… he did not leave the bulls to join the Lakers and then call up Barkley….. thats when men were men….. now… we have you praising La Bron…. just plain silly….

          • Linkdeville

            Well placed point Sir. Believe it or not, I am not good with Carmelo being added to the Heat at all. I do believe enough is enough, but if you really think about it…Bosh was just a good center playing in a small town called Toronto B4 he landed on the heat. LeBron is truly the only big deal that team added, because Ray Allen is just a helluva role player. In addition, LeBron’s legacy will have an asterisk because he did not do it as a Cav. As far as Spo is concerned…you’re right again. Pat did just that…give him a job where he really had no true work to do. It’s all catching up right b4 our eyes. Pop is flat out-out coaching him. However, I do not believe MJ is the GOAT…I think Magic is.

          • Linkdeville

            My email is linkduhe2011@gmail.com. Let’s find another post to chop on, because this one it too old now. Holla at me.

          • S T

            kobe has missed more shots than anyone else in the history of the league. check that stat. 3 of his championships he wasn’t even the best player on the team. Check the stats:

            In 2000:
            shaq: 38.0ppg, 16.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.0 stl, 2.7 blk, 61% fg
            kobe: 15.6ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.0 stl, 1.4 blk, 36% fg

            (remember this series was shaq getting double teams so that kobe can play one on one and he only makes 36% of his shots). Does this sound like jordan type of numbers even though kobe gets a championship ring? This ring is not equal to Jordan’s first ring at all in terms of contributions. In this series, Shaq WAS batman AND robin. A true Robin doesn’t shoot 36% in the finals. Kobe was a role player!

            In 2001:

            Shaq: 33.0ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 0.4 stl, 3.4 blks, 57% fg
            Kobe: 24.6ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.8apg, 1.4 stl, 1.4 blks, 41% fg

            Another ring for kobe, but would anyone even consider kobe for mvp here? 41% shooting? Does that sound like Jordan type of finals numbers? Shaq was the MVP, and kobe was a weak “robin” to shaq’s batman once again.

            In 2002:

            Shaq: 36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8apg, 0.5 stl, 2.75 blks, 60% fg

            Kobe: 26.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.3 apg, 1.5 stls, 0.75 blks, 51% fg

            This is the FIRST championship that kobe can be called Robin to Shaq’s Batman. Does anyone actually think kobe’s numbers are superior to shaq’s to make him Batman? not even close. Remember, teams gear up to play shaq and he still couldn’t be stopped.

            In the jordan years, there was the jordan rules because of the frustration in individuals trying to guard jordan. In the shaq era, there was hack-a-shaq when double teams failed. There was no strategy to defend kobe in the the Laker championship teams.

            Want to know how Jordan and pippen did in their first 3 finals?

            In 1991:

            Jordan: 31.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 11.4 ast, 2.8 stls, 1.4 blk, 56% fg
            Pippen: 20.8 ppg, 9.4 rpb, 6.6 ast, 2.4 stls, 1.0 blk, 45% fg

            In 1992:

            Jordan: 35.8ppg, 4.8rpg, 6.5 ast, 1.7 stl, 0.3 blk, 53% fg
            Pippen: 20.8 ppg, 8.3 rpb, 7.7 ast, 1.5 stl, 0.7 blk, 48% fg

            In 1993:

            jordan: 41 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 6.3 ast, 1.7 stl, 0.7 blk, 51% fg
            pippen: 21.2 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 7.7 asst, 2.0 stl, 1.0 blk, 44% fg

            Is there any doubt jordan was the mvp of ALL those finals? Is there any doubt shaq was the MVP of ALL those finals? If you still cant see this, I suggest you type out kobe’s stats next to jordan’s in all the finals.

            If Jordan did not retire in 1994, they win again. All those BS arguments that the bulls won 55 games (only 2 games less than the previous year with jordan) is not valid unless you also consider that the bulls only won 47 games the second year of jordan’s retirement (and that jordan came back and the bulls won 15 of their last 19 games to achieve 47 victories).

            Then you must explain how they win 72 games the following season which is 25 games more. More importantly, they went from losing 35 games to only losing 10.

            When Kobe scored 81 points, you stupidly conclude that he must be the better player than Jordan. Look at the complete stat line in comparing Jordan’s 69 points to that game.

            Jordan: 23 of 37 fg (62%), 18 rebounds, 6 ast, 4 stl
            Kobe : 28 of 46 fg (61%), 6 rebounds, 2 ast, 3 stl.

            Jordan scored 69 points against Cleveland which finished 42-40 that year

            Kobe scored 81 points against Toronto which had a 27-55 record that year.

            Which sounds more impressive? Give Jordan 9 more shots that game and he scores more points. Kobe only had 6 rebounds whereas Jordan had 18.

          • Khoa Tran

            All very impressively compiled… and Jordan is the goat….but in a game of 21… one on one…. no eras, no Phil to dictate ball goes to Shaq or Jordan….. in their primes, can you 100% call it ? can anyone ? thats the point……. its that close

      • Khoa Tran

        Kobe the 1st…. jordan Jr… puh …lease….. the guy has more than earned his individuality with the amount of thrills he has created

  • Zachary

    Magic did not really say anything that a majority of NBA fans did not already know. Bryant is a great player and a future Hall-of-Famer, but Jordan is clearly the better player between the two.

  • LegendInMyMind

    I don’t know why people still ask that question, Jordan is unquestionably the better player. His accolades, per game averages, and ring count does enough. Kobe has never been particularly close to Jordan from a statistical standpoint. He’s not as clutch, not as consistent a scorer, and not as dominant on defense. Jordan dominated on a whole other level on both ends of the court. Kobe has never been on that level. In his prime, he was one of the best scorers that we’ve seen, and he was a great defender at one time. But Jordan was THE greatest scorer to ever play the game and one of the greatest defensive players of all time as well, certainly the best defensive 2-guard the game has ever seen. Offensively AND defensively, as well as from a leadership standpoint, Jordan trumps Kobe very easily.

    • altamera74

      Exactly. It’s not even a question for educated fans. As Magic says, it’s “easy”.

    • Linkdeville

      On the contrary my friend…
      Jordan won 1 DPOY award that some may argue should have been Pippen’s. Accolades are based on popularity. His leadership vs Kobe’s should be a wash.
      Another thing, how do rings define greatness? If that’s true, shouldn’t that mean Robert Horry (tied for 4th most rings for a player in league history) is greater than MJ?

      • LegendInMyMind

        Jordan carried his teams, Horry didn’t. He carried his own weight. He stepped up in some big moments, but MJ WAS the big moment. Kobe hasn’t ever done as much of that. And Jordan deserved the DPOY that he got. His career defensive stats are unquestionable.

        It’s not rings by themselves, it’s everything. Taking everything into account, statistics, percentages, accolades, championships, respect, etc., Jordan is peerless.

        • Linkdeville

          Since the Horry comment was built on sarcasm, touche’ my friend…
          I was a huge MJ fan, but let’s keep this a buck. MJ was the league. There were quite a few things he was able to get away with that other players do not. I cannot recall a game he fouled out of, can you?

          • LegendInMyMind

            I can recall 11. Wilt Chamberlain was the only player to never foul out of a game.

          • Linkdeville

            True, but only to a certain extent. Without spending all day “Googling” I can tell you they more than likely did get the treatment. KD only gets in trouble because of his foul language. All those other guys come from eras where the rules were so much more different, a foul to them then vs. could be argued in court as aggravated assault. Therefore, I can not (fully) agree based on the evolution of the game. MJ on the other hand to far too valuable to not have in the game. If he fouled out (as your research says) 11 times, I am willing to bet it the refs did not want to do it. There was no other choice. How do I know, I too have some reffing experience and this is discussed during the pre-game ref huddle.

          • altamera74

            It doesn’t take all day googling, it takes about 10 seconds. The fact that you weren’t even aware enough to google the answer to your question, and instead used your failing memory as fact to back up your assertion that Jordan got preferential treatment proves how biased you are.

          • Linkdeville

            So you admit it! You “Google” all your comments! Here’s a bit of advice, Grow up, be a man, and learn to think for your self. Another thing, give that little girl her dress back. Your panties are showing.

          • altamera74

            Says the guy who thought the league wouldn’t allow Jordan to foul out of a game. Face it, you were schooled. Proven wrong. Taken to the woodshed. Owned.

            Learn how to read. I never said I “google all my comments”. Unlike you, I’m not a dumbass, and if I have an uncertainty, I utilize the internet to help me clear that up.

            It’s 2014. Learn how to use the internet, and maybe this case of misinformation you have can be cleared up.

          • Linkdeville

            Another thing, EVERY point I am making would be backed up in a social setting. Can you say the same? Answer without the assistance of Google.

          • altamera74

            Uhh, no, you would be laughed out of the room in an in-person social setting. Your opinions are asinine and not backed up by evidence. You would be dominated in person kid. For instance, if you said the league wouldn’t allow Jordan to foul out of a game, people would simply pull out their smartphones and prove you wrong. On the spot.

            This is 2014 kid. You can’t get away with spreading your lies anymore. Knowledge is readily available to all…except cavemen like you, who don’t know how to use the internet.

          • altamera74

            “I am willing to be the refs didn’t want to do it”.

            It doesn’t matter what you want. You have been shown to be biased, and your opinion on the matter is irrelevant, as you have nothing to back it up.

          • Khoa Tran

            all I know is I recall Kobe bleeding with a now permanent scar and no foul call…. and thats why he is my guy…

          • altamera74

            Jordan fouled out of a game 11 times. Thanks for showing us how bad your memory is. Seems like your own memory is failing you. That explains a lot of your opinions.

          • Linkdeville

            And I bet you knew that without doing any research didn’t you? Better yet, you kept track of EVERY MJ stat there was throughout his career didn’t you. Keep it a buck cat. Google or another source told you the deal. None of us have a memory that profound. As I stated, I was a HUGE MJ fan! I am strictly going off the way the league used him as a marketing tool for the brand. If you were watching, you should be able to agree to the fact that MJ would foul, but someone less talented (probably off the bench) would be close enough to raise their hand and the ref would give them that foul. You can argue all you like, but MJ did get preferential treatment.
            Another thing…I am trying to do this as men (with respectful, educated mindsets). Your attempts to belittle me explains a lot about your character, i.e., you are probably the dude who gets LOUD, and profane all while over exaggerating your body language to make a simple point.
            Oh, Me? (Glad you asked). I am the cat who has no problem being wrong. Correct me if you need to. I’m a grown A** man, son. Handling light weight is too easy.

          • altamera74

            Smart people do research instead of spouting off idiocy (like you). Face it, you were WRONG and you were proven wrong. Your memory is failing you and your opinions are based on your failing memory.

            The league uses many stars for marketing, Jordan was not unique.

            Sure, MJ got some preferential treatment, just like other superstars while he played, before he played, and after he played, so you pointing that out is pretty meaningless, and basically a “duh” moment.

          • Linkdeville

            I’ll bet you have been trying to convince anybody who would give you a little attention how “Smart” you are haven’t you. Well, this is another failed attempt at doing so. Just because you did research before entering a debate, that does not prove you are equipped with the mental capacity to sustain a deep argument. (You like that one?…Did not have to use Google or anything.) Star marketing is an ingenious way to bring attention to something that could use a boost. Smart of the league to use MJ, because (CAN WE AGREE FOR ONCE) he was the best in the league at that time. How can you support an argument that says, “Jordan was not unique?” You cannot! According to you and your awesome “Googling” you quoted stats that made him unequivocal which makes him unique. The league would have been foolish not to market based on his prowess. He was who he was! BTW, using “duh” in a conversation makes you sound uneducated.

          • altamera74

            Hah! Now the truth comes out about what kind of scumbag you really are. You’ve been schooled, proven wrong time and time again, and now you lash out in anger, spittle flying from your mouth as you spout nonsensical garbage.

            Face it kiddo, as Magic says, it’s “easy” to pick Jordan over Kobe.

            Reality. Face it. :)

            Sit down son and do your homework. You just got taken to school.

          • Linkdeville

            You are insane if you think you are messing with the kid. You are no where near my level son. Read what I said and learn…

          • altamera74

            Says the guy who thought the league wouldn’t allow Jordan to foul out of a game. Face it, you were schooled. Proven wrong. Taken to the woodshed. Owned.

            Your lack of knowledge about the past nba leads me to believe you are quite young.

        • Khoa Tran

          agreed to the body of work…… disagree to the peerless…. kareem, Baylor, Kobe, Magic

      • altamera74

        WTF? Nobody in the world argues that Jordan’s DPOY should have been Pippen’s unless they are idiots. Pippen was a rookie, riding the pine, not even a starter, when Jordan won DPOY in 87-88.
        Do your research homie

        • Linkdeville

          Pippen came off the bench playing much better defense that MJ. He guarded the best player on the other team when he was in the game. Even an “Idiot” would agree that if you cannot build stats against the other team’s best, you are getting cheap accolades. Don’t get me wrong, because I was a MJ fan, but Pippen NEVER got his just do. Just rings…
          Maybe you should stop believing everything you see on the internet. Pay attention and build your own stats. I say that based on the way Jordan would foul and his teammate would raise their hand to take the foul. If that’s untrue what is????

          • altamera74

            No, he did not. Not even close. Pippen didn’t guard the other team’s best player when Jordan was on the floor for years after he came into the league.

            You seem to know nothing about nba history. The year BEFORE Pippen came into the league, Jordan became the first player in league history to amass 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season.

            Unlike you kiddo, I actually watched it all happen, and know how wrong you are. Educate yourself.

          • Linkdeville

            Before I comment…You should consider changing your name to “ProGoogler” or something like that. Not arguing MJ’s legacy, but like I commented before, “stats can be padded.” I can recall MJ saying he wanted to win the DPOY award and he won it. Do you think the league had nothing to do with that? Before you answer, check the stats you were so awesome at providing above. He put up SUPREME numbers in 2 years, yet he only won the award once? Why is that? I may be because he did not express his desire to win the award the 1st time the numbers went up. I am in no way saying Pippen was the better player, but MJ would not have been so dominant without Pippen. Pippen was his 2 in the 1-2 punch! To say Pippen did not produce is to say Pippen had no stats during his 1st couple of years. I am willing to bet Pippen would agree with me.
            You really should calm down and practice honesty. You did not watch all that happen at all. unless you have no life. Well maybe…

          • altamera74

            I didn’t google that. I used basketball-reference, plus, I already knew the basic information.

            “Stats can be padded”.

            Yes, by anyone, not just MJ, and again, Jordan’s 259 steals and 131 blocks in 87-88 were stats achieve by NOBODY else, ever together in one season in nba history.

            Your opinion that Pippen should have won DPOY in 87-88 or that he was the reason that Jordan won is just plain silly, and as I showed, WRONG.

            Jordan put up basically the same stats the year before, before Pippen was even in the league, and in 87-88, Pippen was a rookie, riding the pine. He didn’t start a single game.

            Pippen turned into one of the greatest defensive forces in league history, but he was not that in 87-88 and was not the reason Jordan won DPOY.

          • altamera74

            “He put up supreme numbers in 2 years yet only won the award once”.

            Because the way the award works dummy. The DPOY is usually given to someone with the reputation already established as a great player. Before 86-87, Jordan didn’t have that reputation.

            Again….open your ears and your mind, Pippen was a rookie in 87-88, didn’t start a game, and Jordan guarded the other team’s best perimeter players far far more.

            Pippen had nothing to do with Jordan getting DPOY in 87-88. Face facts.

          • altamera74

            Yes, dumbass, the league had nothing to do with Jordan performing as DPOY. He wanted to win it in years after he won it as well, yet did not win it.

            It’s already been shown that your memory fails you and that your opinions are based on things that aren’t true. Your opinions are thus pretty meaningless.

            “Calm down and practice honesty”.
            LMAO. Pretty hilarious coming from someone who spouts lies on here, and is too lazy to use the internet for 10 seconds to correct his misinformation.

            “Unless you have no life…”

            Sort of like you, posting here all day. LMAO.

          • Linkdeville

            Wow…You called me a dumbass. LMAO, (Because I am a blessed man) I never brag on my accomplishments, but so you know, I am a business exec at an oil and gas company currently earning my MBA from Rice University in Houston all while earning a 6 figure salary. If a “dumbass” could accomplish that, I will take 2! Posting here is a break from the norms until my energy is needed. You can laugh, it’s your right, but the bottom line is you cannot debate without assistance. Furthermore, you were dishonest when you said you “REMEMBER” all that MJ had done to include the 11 times he fouled out. If you believe the league does not assist in ensuring players reach certain levels, you are the real dumbass here. To support my point, think about something…Every city in America has a special player that has the goods to play in the league. Yet, only a special few reach the levels of MJ, Kobe, or LeBron. Look at Paul George. Last season he broke out and forced everyone to take notice. Do you really think it wasn’t in him all along? It took Granger getting hurt for them to give him the PT he deserved. Now he is the face of the team, but some will argue that Stevenson is the better baller. The league is not ready to declare him so. He will have to leave Indiana to get his just do. Yes, you need to calm down and practice honesty.

          • altamera74

            Says the guy who thought the league wouldn’t allow Jordan to foul out of a game….

            Magic knows the truth. Educate yourself. As Magic says, it’s an “easy” choice to pick Jordan over Kobe.

          • Linkdeville

            I see somebody is running out of gas, LMAO! Come up with something authentic. Google it first though.

          • altamera74

            Says the guy who thought the league wouldn’t allow Jordan to foul out of a game.

            Feel free to post more lies that I can correct since I know how to use the internet, unlike you.

            It’s 2014. Making fun of Google just makes you look like a caveman.

          • Khoa Tran

            Magic at a photoshoot with Jordan and Bird said of MJ ” I better not get too close or I’ll be called for a foul “

          • altamera74

            LMAO @ your idiotic comment. Yeah, a bench player, who never started, and who played 20 minutes a game is the reason Jordan won DPOY in 87-88, when Jordan had 259 steals and 131 blocks, stats nobody else in nba history has ever achieved in a season…not Pippen…not anybody. And in 86-87, before Pippen was riding the pine for the bulls, Jordan had 236 steals and 125 blocks, nearly identical.

            LMAO. Do your homework kid.

    • Ronnie

      Jordan averaged a block a game and led the league in steals the season he won DPOY. He’s a 10 time All NBA 1st team defense. He was the career leader in steals. That’s just defense. He also played a season at point guard and averaged 32/8/8 shooting 50% from the field, 85% from the stripe, while hauling in about 3 steals to boot. That season he had about 20 triple doubles. Now add to the fact that he led the league in scoring 10 times, went 6-0 in the finals, won 6 finals MVPs, holds 70+ records, and has higher career averages in almost every statistical category over Kobe, I wonder how an argument is even valid. Kobe’s my #2 favorite player ever andd he’s not even in my top 5. Kareem is a better argument in my opinion. Check the stats

  • Richard Allen

    First off people that say Jordan was more dominant that’s not true jordan didnt guard the other teams best player pippen did that. When Jordan played he was the best ever to play but like everything as time goes by people get smarter taller faster stronger jordan had to dominate the likes of 6’2″Jeff hornicek Kobe had to dominate 6’7″ bonzi wells Jordan was the best now it’s Kobe drexler and Reggie miller was Jordan’s only long term comp at the sg position Kobe had way harder comp vc, tmac, ai, ray Allen, the list goes on.
    As for magic he has to say these things to stay relevant he made no sense saying lebron can beat u more ways than Durant, Durant is tall as a center but shoots like a guard, lebron won’t beat u by taking jump shots but Durant will kill u by doing so

    • J.Mai

      You forgot about Joe dumars and Mitch Richmond. You’re right the league is changing. When Jordan played the league was more physical and had less ticky tac fouls. Not to mention their was hand checking which made it a lot harder to score. Drexler & Miller>VC, TMAC, and Ray Allen. P.S Allen Iverson played Point guard.
      All you said was Durant is tall and can shoot.. so that means he’s a great scorer? That’s one way he can kill by scoring. Lebron can impact a game in other ways. He’s a better passer than KD and he can impact the game on the defensive end of the court by locking down the best player ex.Rose,Paul George

      • Saint

        Lmao you’re an idiot.
        Aaron McKie played point along with Eric Snow, Iverson may have ran the offense but he was never the point guard.

        Miller > Prime T-Mac? Tf?
        I agree Miller is higher than T-Mac on an all-time SG list, but a prime T-Mac would murder Miller in his prime.

        Ray Allen is better than Reggie Miller.
        VC in prime probably was better than Reggie, but he was surely more entertaining.

    • Cliff

      He said dominated BONZI WELLS…lmao!! Jordan dominated a LEAGUE!!! A league where a hard foul NOW was just a regular foul back then, hand checking, and “The Jordan Rules”!!! And all those great guards you just named…A.I is a PG so kobe wasnt checking him…Vince played in the eastern conference so he only played against him once or twice a yr. So the only guy you got is Ray Allen and Tmac. Kobe quit on LA in 2005 vs Phoenix in the playoffs and Shaq was the best player on those laker teams anyway. Check the stats and the hardware and you’ll see that hands down Jordan is better than Kobe

      • Stan

        You guys have short memories, you need to watch and compare past games that Kobe and Jordan have played as well as stats and Kobe will come up on top.

        • altamera74

          No, he does not, save for when he faced Jordan while Jordan was a shell of his former self with the Wizards.

          • Khoa Tran

            no he does not? ….. hahahaha defense attorney ? or professional tea bagger ? lol…. Michael in a bulls uni loses to Kobe in comparos where they face each other, thats why MJ give Kobe props

      • disqus_4WqSodvOOR

        I love when hand check rule is brought up!! I guess everyone Is blind or has a one-sided memory… Jordan was allowed to hand check ALSO!! He was allowed to get away with a flagrant foul that was only called a foul

    • altamera74

      Wrong, on nearly every count. First, Jordan was clearly more dominant than Kobe by any measure, save for most points scored in one game.
      As well, Jordan often guarded the other team’s best perimeter player, SHARING that duty with Pippen. Jordan won DPOY in 87-88 when Pippen was a rookie, and not even starting.
      You mention Jeff Hornacek. I can mention today JJ Redick.
      You mention Bonzi Wells at 6’7″. I can mention Steve Smith at 6’8″ for Jordan.
      Tmac wasn’t a shooting guard, neither was AI.
      The vast majority of people know Jordan was simply better than Kobe. Heck, even Kobe knows that.

      • disqus_4WqSodvOOR

        More points scored in way more than one game… 62 in 3 qtrs? Jordan needed overtime to score 69!!

        • altamera74

          Jordan higher PPG in a season, in a career, in the playoffs, in the finals. Jordan scored 50+ 8 times in the playoffs. Kobe? Once…and against Phoenix. LOL.

          • disqus_4WqSodvOOR

            So 81, 62 in three qtrs (against the finals mavs), 12 threes in a game means nothing to you? Oh BTW he almost always had to defer to shaq…

          • altamera74

            It’s great, but none of those are nba records save for the 12 threes in one game. Jordan holds over 70 nba records. Kobe is an all time great, just not as good as Jordan.

          • disqus_4WqSodvOOR

            Funny 7 three pointers made in one season the greatest of all time?

          • altamera74

            We aren’t talking about the greatest 3 PT shooter of all time.

            The year Jordan made 7, he only took 53.
            Kobe had a streak 2 years ago, where he missed 35 consecutive 3PT shots. That’s nearly as many as Jordan took, the season he made 7. It just wasn’t nearly as big a part of the game back in the day.

            By the way, Jordan has shot higher in a season from 3PT range, .427. Kobe’s highest? .383.

            Jordan also shot better than Kobe from 3PT range in the playoffs and finals.

            Again, Jordan has over 70 nba records. Kobe? Not even close.

            As Magic says, it’s “easy” to pick Jordan over Kobe.

          • disqus_4WqSodvOOR

            Percentage is where u Jordan fans always hide… Kobe is more clutch, he is was and will always be the better shooter… I used to wake up to watch Jordan play and I had never seen anyone like him until Kobe… In his 18 year Kobe was guarding the other teams best player. Playing 48 minutes willing the Lakers to victory… Where was ur goat in his 18th year? Retired for 3 years, much less guarding the other teams best player

          • altamera74

            Hide? LMAO!
            % matters…a lot. Only you Kobe fans like to pretend it doesn’t, to defend his shotjacking ways.
            Let me educate you. Shooting 20-30 on 2PTers, or 67% is better than shooting 10-30 on 2PTers, or 33%.

            Ok. That’s 5. Can you understand that? It isn’t hiding, it’s just reality.

            Ok, hopefully you are still with me.

            And no, Kobe is not more clutch. Not by a longshot. ESPN ran a multitude of stories 2-3 years ago showing had bad Kobe’s FG% is in the clutch and how he is overrated as a clutch shooter.

            Kobe guarded the other team’s best player…sometimes. But not if the other team’s best player was a PF or a center. He sometimes guarded the other team’s best perimeter player, and often did so poorly.

            Playing for a long time doesn’t make anyone GOAT. If so, Grant Hill, Stockton, Nash, etc. would all be GOAT players.

            Face reality, we are talking about GOAT, not the player who played the longest when he should have retired.

            As Magic knows, it’s Jordan, and picking Jordan over Kobe, as he says, is “easy”.

          • Khoa Tran

            not saying Kobe is better than Jordan, but definitely more skilled…

      • Khoa Tran

        Actually, Kobe does not know that nor acknowledge that…. and honestly, Jordan won in an era of two star teams…. and Kobe won in an era of three star teams, and thats the magic of Kobe, he won in a three star team era with two stars back to back…… so if you are comparing numbers…

    • maherk

      Oh please, I am a Lakers fan for the past 16 years and aa much as I love Kobe, he nor anyone we have seen yet is able to dominate the way MJ did, even Kobe made it clear that no one has the right to compare him to MJ the greatest. Is he the 2nd best, I would say so, ESPN made people forget all the crazy numbers Kobe used to put in every night and instead wanted to make LBJ the goat after winning half a ring then win another ring thanks to the heroics of CB4 and Ray Allen.

    • LegendInMyMind

      Pippen wad an outstanding defender, but a lot of people give Jordan the edge. Pip shut down the other team’s best scorer which freed up MJ to make plays all over the court. On anyone. That’s the teamwork aspect of their great 1-2 tandem. MJ was one of the best defensive playmakers that I’ve ever seen, and they won plenty of games (including playoff games) from those kinds of heroics. That’s a strength you have to utilize. So I don’t see that you can give Pip the defensive edge based purely on Phil’s assignments and philosophy.

    • S T

      you make it sound like jordan was guarded by Hornicek 82 games/year. They played 2 times per year. As a matter of fact, when they played utah in the finals, it was NOT hornicek guarding him. watch the actual game if you want to make statements like that.

  • LA334233

    And for me, it’s an easy desicion to pick Magic over Jordan ….

    • altamera74

      Magic would disagree with you.

      • Linkdeville

        No, Magic has too much class to even get into that debate. I was blessed to meet Magic and told him my thoughts on “him” being the GOAT. He smiled, said thank you and kept the conversation going. One of the best people I have EVER met. God Bless Magic.

        • altamera74

          No, Magic has said publicly, on national TV, multiple times, that he believes Jordan to be the GOAT. Magic is a classy guy, and certainly thanks people for compliments, but he also thinks Jordan is the GoAT.

          • Linkdeville

            Of course he would say that. That’s what classy people do

          • altamera74

            Wrong. There are plenty of classy people who have not said Jordan is GOAT.
            Magic simply recognizes what the vast majority of humanity already has: Jordan is simply the best to ever lace ‘em up, and as Magic says “easily” better than Kobe.

          • Linkdeville

            You my friend have no class do you? To call MJ the GOAT is what’s called an opinion. When Magic (who is deservingly a valid part of that argument) says MJ is the GOAT, it’s called class. I just choose to recognize MJ’s greatness, but go on record saying I think Magic is the GOAT. I am willing to bet you have NEVER admitted you were wrong have you? Wait, let me “Google” it and see.
            In the meantime, (because I know you will have something asinine to say) name those classy people who have not called MJ the GOAT. Make sure you site your Google references before you get taxed for plagiarism.

          • altamera74

            Yes, an opinion, and one that Magic himself has shared on national TV. Calling someone GOAT has nothing to do with class. Magic doesn’t call everyone GOAT, only MJ.

            As well kid, “classy” is an opinion, so you calling Magic “classy” is just your opinion.

            Back to the point, Magic himself has called Jordan GOAT, so he would likely disagree with you that he himself is GOAT.

          • Linkdeville

            PROVE IT! Prove Magic would disagree with me. Oh wait, you can’t Google that can you? Too damn bad.

          • altamera74

            Look it up yourself kiddo. There are tons of videos of Magic calling Jordan GOAT all over the internet. It’s 2014 and you make fun of people using Google. LMAO! Learn how to use technology you cave-man. LMAO! Loser…

          • altamera74

            Ok dumbass, you ready?
            Bill Russell…pretty much universally regarded as classy, has never called Jordan GOAT. Now sit down. You’ve been schooled.

          • Linkdeville

            OOOOooooh. You said Bill Russell is “pretty much universally regarded as classy, and so that means I have been schooled? Let me help you out…Bill Russell is the “God Baller” (WAIT) Before you challenge me on that too…IT’S MY OPINION!!!! UnGoogleable Questions: How do you know Bill never called MJ the Goat? Why do you think he never did? BTW…Sit down , you’ve been schooled and something a little girl says. Grow up fella.

          • altamera74

            That’s right, you’ve been schooled. You didn’t realize that being “classy” does not mean that someone has to regard Jordan as GOAT. The two are distinct and different. Just because you think Magic is “classy” doesn’t mandate that he regard Jordan as GOAT. So, again, you were wrong.

          • Linkdeville

            You are hilarious! I can see you now with your little girly dress on and HUGE lollipop in tow tearfully pouting, “THAT’S RIGHT, YOU’VE BEEN SCHOOLED.” Once again, let me help you out… I know you are NEVER WRONG, but you cannot define the motive behind my mentioning Magic’s class. An educated person would comprehend my comment as follows: Magic is too classy to boast about being the GOAT. He knows there are people like me who believe he is, so he is good with that. Therefore, to call MJ the GOAT is just his way of saying MJ did something spectacular for the game. But, “HE” gave MJ a push to do so. MJ had to earn Magic’s respect and he did it. Therefore, it doesn’t bother him to give that compliment to MJ.

          • altamera74

            Says the guy who thought the league wouldn’t allow Jordan to foul out of a game. Face it, you were schooled. Proven wrong. Taken to the woodshed. Owned.
            Magic knows the truth. Educate yourself. As Magic says, it’s an “easy” choice to pick Jordan over Kobe.

          • Linkdeville

            Are you even capable of telling the truth? You know I never said the league wouldn’t allow MJ to foul out. 1st I said, when have YOU ever seen him foul out. 2nd I said, “I’ll bet they didn’t want him to foul out.” You Sir, are one of the worse people there are. You spend time trying to find ways to lie on other people and that ‘s uncalled for. Keep this a buck and it’ll make for a better debate. Beside how can an uneducated person take someone to school? A virtual impossibility. Tell you what…what’s the next article you are going to comment on. We can take it over there, because this one is getting old. Don’t you think? Hit me up and we’ll keep it poppin.

          • altamera74

            Says the guy who thought the league wouldn’t allow Jordan to foul out of a game. Face it, you were wrong.

            And you were proven wrong because other people, like me, knew that your “opinion” wasn’t an opinion, but a falsehood, and we proved it as such.

            It’s 2014. Your lies can be proven wrong now.

          • altamera74

            So you were wrong about Jordan never fouling out of a game, you were wrong about Magic having to call Jordan “GOAT” because Magic is classy.
            I know because of what Russell has said on the record, on national TV and in interviews. Look it up yourself. Again, you got schooled. Sit down kid. I own you.

          • Khoa Tran

            Why would he not acknowledge his contemporary as the greatest ? It says your ERA is tough

    • Linkdeville

      Now we’re talking!!!! My thoughts exactly. You Sir are a man who knows what you are talking about!

  • Preston

    I never understood the 6- 0 stuff… its the dumbest reasoning of all time. Jordan did not go 6 – 0, he went’ 6 – 15. Its not like he was only trying to win during years where he made the finals. Losing in the finals is demonstrating more success than losing before the finals. Point is to go as far as possible.

    I also have Jordan as having had the greater career than Kobe, but not because this 6 – 0 nonsense

    • Mario D

      He’s the only player in nba history with more than one championship who is undefeadefin the finals(even bill russell lost in finals, 1959 to stl hawks) not to mention, pass his 6th year, he only fell short of the finals one season for rest of career(not counting wizards years) thats not luck homie. How is that not making a statement over everyone?

      • Minerva C Morgan

        6-0 is not nonsense. are you kidding or just babling? Do you have any idea how hard it is to go 6-0 in the finals? I love Kobe but I saw what Jordan had to go through to get to the top. I remember the Pistons, Celtics and Lakers of his error, not to mention the physical play back
        then.

        • Ron Lavi

          THIS IS A MUTE DISCUSSION…
          MAGIC IS TRYING TO PROTECT HIS GENERATION.
          PARITY TODAY IS NOT WHAT IT WAS.
          JORDAN DIDN’T HAVE TO PLAY AGAINST KOBE, LLILARD, DURAN, JAMES, D. Rose, WADE, ANTHONY AND MORE.

          THE BEST PLAYERS AT THAT TIME WERE MAGIC, PIPPIN, MALONE, STOCKTON, BARKLEY, L. BIRD, ISIAH, MCHALE AND OTHERS
          JORDAN NEVER GUARDED A POWER FORWARD OR CENTER.
          THE GAME IS MUCH FASTER

          SOON “EXPERTS” WOULD SAY THAT OSCAR WAS THE BEST IN A 75% WHITE LEAGUE
          R

        • Preston

          This is silly.. first of all Jordan did not “go through” the Showtime Lakers or the Celtics. He was spanked by those teams everytime they played.
          Second of all, getting beat before the finals is not more successful of a season than getting beat before the finals. That is sports 101. The idea is to go as far as possible.
          The Spurs last year had a better season than the Hawks last year, should Tim Duncan have lost earlier, just so he could say that he is undefeated in the finals? LOL

      • Jerry Arthur Newcomb

        His team stayed healthy. Jordan did not win those 6 by himself! A healthy “TEAM” is the key, not one guy!

        • Joseph

          I am glad someone finally realized that. Jordan didn’t win those titles alone just as Kobe didn’t win his by himself. Jordan didn’t win nothing till they put the right players with him. All this player comparsion is so stupid. Anyway how can you compare players if they never competed against each other

    • altamera74

      No, it isn’t. The point of the game is to win. Doing so at the highest level 6 times, never losing on the biggest stage, and being named the primary reason the team did so (finals mvp) all 6 times means that player was insanely dominant.

      • Preston

        Everyone knows that Jordan was dominant, but the talking point of 6-6 is absurd. Losing before “the biggest stage” is not more successful than losing on “the biggest stage”. Sorry, but the Spurs had a better season last year than the Hawks did. Every adult should understand this.

        Winning 6 Gold medals and 4 silver medals is demonstrating more success than ..

        Winning 6 Gold medals and not even qualifying for the finals any other year…

        • altamera74

          No, it is not absurd at all. First of all, Jordan is the only player with more than three finals appearances to win every one, and win finals mvp for every one. For instance, Kareem won 6 rings, but only has 2 finals mvps. The biggest stage is where the spotlight is greatest, and the stakes are highest. To outperform on this stage is what makes legends. That’s why it’s so important to so many players, and that’s why the NBA finals is where legacies are formed.

          6 rings, 6 appearances, 6 finals mvps.

          Nobody else in nba history has ever done this.

          As Magic says, that is part of what makes picking Jordan over Kobe “easy”.

          • Preston

            I know what Magic said.. I explained very well why that is absurd. I did not say Jordan was not great. I said the 6 for 6 idea is nonsense. Discussing finals MVP’s is off topic.

            Would Jordan have been less successful if he made another finals, but lost? Would 6 championships and 1 finals loss not better than 6 championships and not making any other finals? This is common sense/sports 101 stuff.

          • altamera74

            No, you didn’t explain well at all why it’s absurd. Because it is not absurd.
            You don’t determine what’s “off topic”. Jordan’s 6 finals mvps are most certainly on topic for me, so I’ll bring ‘em up as often as I’d like

            How a player performs on the biggest stage, against the best competition, playing for the biggest stakes matters. A lot. It isn’t the only thing that matters, but it does matter.

            Jordan would certainly not have the same legacy if he had gone 3 for 6 in finals. Or 6 for 9.

            That’s common sense/sports 101 stuff. ;)

    • Linkdeville

      “He went 6-15″ great perspective Preston. People tend to think only about the wins and not the work it took to get there.

  • R.Holts II

    Hey I’m a huge Jordan fan and a huge Kobe fans. For me it’s tough because there games are just alike. Jordan was perfect in the finals but to me Kobe played against more talent. My opinion I think if you take prime Kobe and put him in the Jordan era. Mike will not have 6 rings the black mamba would have had some hisself. I mean think about put Kobe on one of those Knicks, pacers, or even Seattle and Utah teams. They would have been going back in forth! But if you go by statistics you have to take MJ. But like Magic say they both on my Mt. Rushmore his Airness and black Mamba for life

  • Jerry Arthur Newcomb

    It is funny that Magic thinks Micheal won the 6 on his own. As Kobe has been there 7 times, lost two, but that was because “Carl Malone” was hurt in ’04′ and Bynum on ’09′. If Jordan had an key injury to his team, they most likely would not have won also… I can see him saying that he prefers Micheal over Kobe as he played with Micheal and never with Kobe.

    • Linkdeville

      C’mon man. You know Magic doesn’t think MJ “won the 6 on his own.” That’s like saying Magic thinks he won 5 on his own. Really

  • Rebecca Lakerfan

    I love Magic, but when is he going to shut up? I’m really getting tired of his opinion on most things these days. He’s not the oracle.

    • Joseph

      Well said

    • Linkdeville

      OMG…he’s not???? Just kidding and you’re right.

  • bonuslovethruster

    hey Earv…. start worrying about your under achieving baseball team and less about other affairs!!!!!!!

  • obryan Williams

    People are forgetting mj got all his titles with the help of scottie pippen d. Rodman etc. Kobe proved he could lead his team to a title twice without shaq, smoosh and gp etc. This is how I see it Michael jordan is muhammad ali and kobe is mayweather. What I mean by that is jordan is the greatest but kobe is the best.

  • Linkdeville

    Sorry for the length, just want to make a tangible point…
    First off…does anyone understand LeBron is actually compared to Magic? Ok, now lets look at what Magic did in his “hay.” Name another player in league history who has played all positions in a single game? Only Magic right? My point is, MJ (while great) is not the G.O.A.T…Magic is. Therefore, Kobe (my dude!) is compared to MJ and will always be viewed to way he is. Take a good look and the comparison (both on and off court) are there. Remember, MJ was so protected by the league, we did not know about the off court activities or how much his teammates disliked him until the near end of his career.
    Magic (a 6’9″ PG) turned a team into a rock group… a la Showtime! Before Magic, (shouts out to Pistol Pete) I think it could be argued that there was not so much excitement in the game. It’s because of Magic that we all watch the way we do. He deserves credit for making the league as marketable as it is. When ex-commissioner Stern took notice of the kid playing AAU ball in Akron, he saw something we are now witnessing…a future great. Therefore, LeBron may one day surpass all and become the G.O.A.T. It’s written…
    Point is, MJ is only the GOAT because some refuse to recognize Magic. Congrats to KD. He is probably the most deserving MVP we know. He did the work!

  • banong

    Magic is only one person… so do I….. and I choose Kobe to be better than Jordan…. ok…

  • disqus_4WqSodvOOR

    Kobe has the NBA record for 3 pointers made in a game. Not Jordan. He has the NBA record for 30 points in a quarter. Has more 60 point games and 62 in 3 qtrs is onl

  • disqus_4WqSodvOOR

    Only 7 less than jordans all time hi… Which Jordan needed overtime for.

  • MS

    i think there is this thing…Kobe made hader shots than Michael.
    KOBE also had to guard the othr teams best player…michael rarely had to do that..

  • uncle sugar

    Kobe is a better shooter than MJ……Kobe can shoot farther out than MJ…I still think MJ is better than Kobe but he’s the closest thing to MJ hands down.

  • rondo

    Michael much better then Kobe.

  • S T

    Kobe, in 3 of his championships series he wasn’t even the best player on the team. Check the stats:

    In 2000:

    shaq: 38.0ppg, 16.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.0 stl, 2.7 blk, 61% fg

    kobe: 15.6ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.0 stl, 1.4 blk, 36% fg

    (remember this series was shaq getting double teams so that kobe can play one on one and he only makes 36% of his shots). Does this sound like jordan type of numbers even though kobe gets a championship ring? This ring is not equal to Jordan’s first ring at all in terms of contributions. In this series, Shaq WAS batman AND robin. A true Robin doesn’t shoot 36% in the finals. Kobe was a role player!

    In 2001:

    Shaq: 33.0ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 0.4 stl, 3.4 blks, 57% fg

    Kobe: 24.6ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.8apg, 1.4 stl, 1.4 blks, 41% fg

    Another ring for kobe, but would anyone even consider kobe for mvp here? 41% shooting? Does that sound like Jordan type of finals numbers? Shaq was the MVP, and kobe was a weak “robin” to shaq’s batman once again.

    In 2002:

    Shaq: 36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8apg, 0.5 stl, 2.75 blks, 60% fg

    Kobe: 26.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.3 apg, 1.5 stls, 0.75 blks, 51% fg

    This is the FIRST championship that kobe can be called Robin to Shaq’s Batman. Does anyone actually think kobe’s numbers are superior to shaq’s to make him Batman? not even close. Remember, teams gear up to play shaq and he still couldn’t be stopped.

    ____________________________
    In the jordan years, there was the jordan rules because of the frustration in individuals trying to guard jordan. In the shaq era, there was hack-a-shaq when double teams failed. There was no strategy to defend kobe in the the Laker championship teams.

    Want to know how Jordan and pippen did in their first 3 finals?

    In 1991:

    Jordan: 31.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 11.4 ast, 2.8 stls, 1.4 blk, 56% fg

    Pippen: 20.8 ppg, 9.4 rpb, 6.6 ast, 2.4 stls, 1.0 blk, 45% fg

    In 1992:

    Jordan: 35.8ppg, 4.8rpg, 6.5 ast, 1.7 stl, 0.3 blk, 53% fg

    Pippen: 20.8 ppg, 8.3 rpb, 7.7 ast, 1.5 stl, 0.7 blk, 48% fg

    In 1993:

    jordan: 41 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 6.3 ast, 1.7 stl, 0.7 blk, 51% fg

    pippen: 21.2 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 7.7 asst, 2.0 stl, 1.0 blk, 44% fg

    Is there any doubt jordan was the mvp of ALL those finals? Would anyone sane give even ONE vote to pippen? Going back to Kobe, Is there any doubt shaq was the MVP of ALL those finals? Jordan NEVER shoots below 50% compared to Kobe. If you still cant see this, I suggest you type out kobe’s stats next to jordan’s in all the finals.

    How can Kobe’s contribution to those 3 championships even compare to Jordan’s contribution to his own championship? As you can see, Pippen was a factor but Jordan was clearly the outstanding player.

    Kobe’s 5 rings is not comparable to jordan’s first 5 rings. Even if Kobe earned a 6th ring, it would not make him equal by any means more than Fisher equals Kobe at this time (since they both have 5).

    The only thing Kobe can chase now is a meaningless more career points than Jordan, but it will take him 19 years in the league. If Jordan doesn’t break his foot in his second season in the league and miss 64 games, he probably has 1800 more points. If he doesn’t retire the first time in his prime, he has another 5000 points (literally 2 full seasons). The career points is the only thing he can pass Jordan, but keep in mind that kobe has missed more field goals than ANYONE in the history of the NBA (15,296 misses as of January 2013 and counting). So with 20 years in the league he will pass Jordan….something for you who cheer kobe to get excited about?

    If Jordan did not retire in 1994, they win again. All those BS arguments that the bulls won 55 games (only 2 games less than the previous year with jordan) is not valid unless you also consider that the bulls only won 47 games the second year of jordan’s retirement (and that jordan came back and the bulls won 15 of their last 19 games to achieve 47 victories).

    Then you must explain how they win 72 games the following season which is 25 games more. More importantly, they went from losing 35 games to only losing 10.

    When Kobe scored 81 points, you stupidly conclude that he must be the better player than Jordan. Look at the complete stat line in comparing Jordan’s 69 points to that game.

    Jordan: 23 of 37 fg (62%), 18 rebounds, 6 ast, 4 stl

    Kobe : 28 of 46 fg (61%), 6 rebounds, 2 ast, 3 stl.

    Jordan scored 69 points against Cleveland which finished 42-40 that year

    Kobe scored 81 points against Toronto which had a 27-55 record that year.

    Which sounds more impressive? Give Jordan 9 more shots that game and he scores more points. Kobe only had 6 rebounds whereas Jordan had 18.

    The only thing comparable to Jordan is the fact that the both play 2-guard position. If Jordan had Shaq when he came into the league at age 21, they win 12 championships.

  • Khoa Tran

    If given the choice of any player in NBA history to start a franchise, legendary coach Phil Jackson says Celtics center Bill Russell would win out over his former player Michael Jordan.

    “In my estimation, the guy that has to be there would be Bill Russell. He has won 11 championships as a player,” Jackson said in an interview with Time. “That’s really the idea of what excellence is, when you win championships.”

    In addition to his 11 titles with the Celtics in the 1950s and 1960s, Russell was a five-time MVP and 12-time All-Star. Jordan won six championships playing for the Bulls in the 1990s under Jackson, earning five MVP awards and 14 All-Star Game selections.

    Jackson dodged when asked to select between Jordan and Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, whom he coached to five titles between 2000 and 2010.

    “I would flip a coin,” he said. “Whichever one came up heads or tails, I’d take that person. They were that good.”