WDN Elite 13: St. Paul moves on up

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Here's this week's Whittier Daily News Elite 13 football rankings, and we have a new school on top of the leaderboard:

Area Football Rankings
Rankings with previous rank, school and record:
1. (2) St. Paul (4-0) -- OK, Swordsmen you have convinced me. You have earned the top spot by deed, following up a big win over Garfield, with a win over Ayala. St. Paul, the area's only undefeated team, should stay here for at least a week with a game against Schurr this week. But then it gets tricky. The Swordsmen open Mission League play next week against Chaminade, which could pit the Westen Divisions top two teams.
2. (1) La Habra (2-3) -- La Habra finally ran out of gas. The Highlanders, after going toe-to-toe against Pac-5 Division heavyweights Servite and Orange Lutheran were no match for St. John Bosco, which rolled the Highlanders, 41-6. They're idle before opening Freeway League play next week.
3. (3) Whittier Christian (3-2) -- The Heralds, who advanced to the Mid-Valley League finals last season, appear to be rolling into form, scoring their second consecutive win last week. They get a challenge against Cantwell this week. But the passing of Daniel Chacon with a the 1-2 running back punch of Johnathan Marquez and Ryan Morales is tough to beat.
4. (4) California (3-1) -- These Condors like to stay on the ground, but no one has guarded the nest better, giving up just 49 points in four games. They get a good test against Montebello on Friday.
5. (6) La Serna (4-1) -- The Lancers take a week off after enjoying a solid nonleague season. Can they win the Del Rio League again? Cal, El Rancho and Santa Fe will have something to say about that, but they will definitely be in the running again.
Others: 6. (8) Cantwell (2-2), 7. (5) La Mirada (1-4), 8. (9) El Rancho (3-1), 9. (7) Santa Fe (1-4), 10. (11) Montebello (2-2), 11. (10) Whittier (3-1), 12. (12) Pioneer (0-4), 13. (13) Schurr (0-4).


39 Comments

Football Realist said:

Still laughing:

Your chick is a pig with red lipstick! Typical SP garbage talking trash. It never gets old with you scumbags. Wait till week 11 when your at LH watching a playoff game because you guys didn't qualify again. It's a sad state over there. I'm going to take the high road from now on. There's really no reason to argue with people who are inferior to me, your Straight garbage from the can...

A Fan said:

@ Still Laughing (I mean st.paul homer who wont come outta the closet) cuz honestly who would! But I was gonna stop commenting because you were quiet and had nothing to say back to my comment with actual facts, but it's so fun to shut you up! Answer me this, it's not LH's fault there that good in there league and division, they have been moving up divisions in the last 4 years and are still trying to go higher, so what should they do now? Just quit football and lose or try and not win where their at? You are truly ignorant.! Like you guys at st. paul are content that you get smashed on in league but your answer to that is your in a tough league.. WELL YOU DON'T BELONG IN THAT LEAGUE!!! The only team your gonna beat is Cathedral cuz they suck, LA HABRA BELONGS IN THAT LEAGUE MORE THAN YOU AND st.paul SHOULD GO TO THEIRS!! Then everyone will be where they belong! And no one would complaining, st. paul would have a chance to win and LH would be winning and both playing against their perspective competition! And I know you rely on history but YOURE JUST NOT THAT TEAM THAT CAN COMPETE ANYMORE FACE IT!!!!!!!!!! When is it gonna get thru your heads I really can't wait for this season to be over!! Then I'll be on here saying I told you so, but you know what - You'll have some new excuse tallking about next year or some stupid analogy about a pig! haha your such a tool! I bet you never coached or played a day of football in your life, cuz really you just talk crap and have no facts or understanding so I really question your knowledge! Good luck this year at st. paul games (cuz you'll be at everyone homer), and just another wrong fact by you, Servite and OLU play this week retard! Not last week when LH had their week off! I wish st. paul would have played one of those teams this year! Oh wait Servite or OLU wouldn't waste time scheduling them, but I bet they'll play LH again next year! And Im not football realist, theres just another person that actually knows a little something about football on this blog! UNLIKE YOU!

Still Laughing said:

Football Sensationalist - I mean Realist-

Isn't it ironic how now that the league games are about to get under way for (just about) everyone next week who haven't already started league games, LH starts playing those high caliber, top-notch teams in the Freeway (D6) league and yet you're worried about who the big boys play?
This makes for some great comedy.
-and you can change your name from A Fan to Realist as many tines as you want. But like I said earlier, "You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig!"
A pig by any other name is still the same!

Football Realist said:

Piehole and sp 29,


Just wait till next week when your swordswoman get smashed by a real football team. You guys seem to think by playing your cup cake schedule will do you good, guess what? Its blowout time! LH has played the big boy teams and got handled but guess what? It's all up hill from there. Another CIF title awaiting. AS for SP, I feel they won't even make the playoffs. They usually take a crap when it counts and by the look of things, some things will never change. SP is the scum of the area. Deal with it....

Shut the piehole said:

I have a feeling La Habra fans would be howling about their dominance even if they lost every game 75-0. We have all just witnessed the complete dismantling of the boys in blue by St. John Bosco, and yet the Highlander cheer faction is at top volume, indignant that they are no longer rated #1 in the area.

Forget about what St. Paul's doing, Highlander lovers; YOU JUST GOT YOUR ASSES KICKED, so I highly advise all of you to kindly ZIP IT.

St. Paul Fan 29 said:

@Football realist...YOU ARE SCUM!

Football Realist said:

SP!!

Great job against another winless team. Maybe next year you can play a team that has at least a .500 won loss average. I'll bet everything that next week SP will get rolled by 35. No doubt about it. They will finally face a team with better talent and way better coaching. How do they feel good about themselves? Like I said before, false hope! SP is the scum of the area. Always have been always will ......

Still Laughing said:

Steve,
After I'm done putting A Fan over my knee and giving him a proper whooping, I'll gladly let you take a turn.
I hope for LH's sake he commits his boy to hitting the books and getting good grades, because God forbid his boy is playing football and not getting enough playing time even though little Johnny is "The best QB on the roster" (in his own mind).

A Fan - it is what it is! What difference does it make who's "ranked" and who's not? What's in it for you? What's in it for the team who is or isn't? What's the big deal? You've got some undisclosed reasons and accompanying issues with it - inner demons or something - but only you know what it is. I don't believe I've ever seen anyone get so distraught over a silly ranking; not even over on the Tribune side with Amat and the SGV teams. It's all for entertainment. There's no money at stake, no BCS Championship birth at stake. What's the big deal?

First off, just to clarify, someone has posted comments using by name, but if you look closely,it's not me, because as an administrator, you can click on my name on the comments I post. I have deleting the comments from the imposter, and will continue to do so as I find them.
@A Fan: I'm sorry you feel that way. I can't write the stories for our freelancers. Now mine is not play by play, but it does include the key stat leaders near the top of the story, and usually try to get quotes, if time permits. Most of our stories in Whittier are short, because of the 10:20 deadline. I think for the most part, our guys do a good job other that circumstance.
As for early question about who would win, I would pick La Habra is they played tomorrow, but rankings - especially area high school rankings, are not all about who would beat who. Bishop Amat could be 0-10 and still beat most teams in the Trib area, including some of the top 10, but they wouldn't be in the top 10, because, well, let's face it, an 0-10 team doesn't deserve to be in the top 10. Area high school rankings are about who is having the better season at the time, using their schedule as a barometer, and then making a subjective decision.

A Fan said:

Steve your a joke man! You annoy me! Horrible write ups of every game in the area, no stats or insight! Just blah blah blah... really if a person doesn't go to an area game it's not worth reading the write up because it's so short with no actual game information like game changing plays or storyline! It's just awful to read, I would rather just ask people that went to the game... Do you even know about football or maybe everyones question, have you even played football before? Because it sure doens't look you know what your talking about on that prep xtra live either! And you really think St. Paul that beat Schurr (your #13 team in the area out of 13 teams) would beat La Habra I hate to say it, but your drunk buddy!!! Do you know what La Habra would do to Schurr, now I'm more than positive they would beat St.Paul atleast 35-6! And one more question, since St. Paul played not a good game but still won against a way inferior opponent that technically they should of easily beat by 45 (instead of struggling 14-6 at halftime) should lose some points according to you? I'm saying atleast 4 or 5 points, thats ridiculous for a mission league team! Hmmm... I wonder who should be #1 now? Haha but your not man enough to do that... Anyways last time I looked the blog is www.insidesocal.com/MURRAY haha And I don't expect a response from you cause I know wont get one, but its cool..

A Fan said:

@ Football Realist, good post finally someone on this blog with some commonsense and knowlegde of football!!!

@ Steve Ramirez answer this if you're not a sellout.. Who would win in a game this year St. Paul or La Habra??? And dont be afraid to crush all the hearts of your St. Paul fans!

A Fan said:

@ Still laughing (St. Paul homer), listen son, just because I talk crap to idiots like you on this blog doesn't equate to how I would ever teach in the classroom, coach or raise any of my children! So dont act like you know me or my character, football does get frustrating at times which all coaches would agree when people can't get things through their heads, or for instance coaches on the field can't see whats going on in the game and adjust! But as for people like you it's fun to ME to speak something that is very truthful and you can't take! And one more thing, I believe in traditions and carrying them on, but history doesn't make you win buddy! And if St. Paul doesn't win tonight by 45 or more should they drop in rank? I think so! If you don't that's once again ignorance.. And I'll be at the MIssion Viejo game tonight in Redlands (have family that plays for the Diablos), I already saw both OLU and Servite play ahh two weeks in a row, and both shoulda lost! Servite wins by 2 or 3 touchdowns easy it's not gonna even be a game!

Still Laughing said:

LH Homer, a.k.a. A Fan-
Wow, then I guess the Child Placement department is broken too if what you're saying is true. This is sad to hear. Hopefully you're letting those fine coaches over at the La Habra Lions (seriously, there are some good guys over there) teach this young man how to think straight and not like you; to teach him to aim high and not settle for 8-man type championships.
Hey, since you probably won't know what to do with yourself tonight since your powerhouse has the week off, why don't you come on down to Cerritos College and watch some big boy football- O Lu and Servite.

Football Realist said:

SP,


To all those who think SP is a good football team, think again. Just an average team till league starts. LH would own you guys in a matter of minutes. SP was a great place to play in the 60's. Not anymore! A couple of wins against a bunch of crappy teams is only false hope. If you know anything about football this is obvious. Wake up SP your not that good......

A Fan said:

Still Laughing..Uhh yeah man it's called adopting kids in need, both of my biological kids are 27 and 30.. But our adopted son is 12! And as you said, this is why Im not a LH homer I can just recognize talent and a great upcoming program when I see one! And sorry St. Paul HOMER I don't see that happening at your school.! And good luck tonight against schurr talk about pumping your own chest haha! That win will really get a lot of respect around the area when Cal Hi smashed them!! Must feel good!

Still Laughing said:

A Fan, a.k.a. Coach, a.k.a. LH Homer-
So wait- you're retired now from coaching at Amat back in the days when McCutcheon played but yet your kids are not old enough to be in high school? Either you're nucking futs and lying to cover your own stupidity or you're a grandpa raising your grandchild. And who says I hate Amat? They play in the PAC-5 and have some great tradition and history- oh., wait, tradition and history-- "Who cares!" as you said. And if you really were a coach for Amat, I can't imagine you wouldn't know the difference between good football (LH -D6) and GREAT football -- PAC-5, Inland, Northern and Western divisions -- and getting your chest all pumped up over D6 football!!! I think you're FOS.
Who are you trying to kid?

A Fan said:

@ Still laughing and The Pit, yes it is true but im retired and now i can say whatever I want and see on the football field! And just so you know I took a job with the Lancers you hate and it's not La Serna.. but that was a long time ago in Daylons days.. And I know you dont like it but I call it like I see it! And it's just unfortunate that everyone sees it but you St. Paul fans! But hey guess you all see at the end of the season when you don't make the playoffs or get knocked out in the first round all the time haha! Good luck to all the area teams but until La Habra and St. Paul play La Habra is the top and most dominant team in the area in the last decade and to come! I don't need to explain facts anymore because I've done enough and there just plain to see, and when people start saying things like "Do your thing St. Paul and have a great season" I know they have nothing else to say haha. And one more thing St. Paul will never represent our state before La habra mark my words!!

THE PIT said:

STILL LAUGHING...nice!

Fan, cmon mang...A real Coach would not blog...
its only us old married farts trying to relive are glory yrs playing ball. Be proud LH I get it...but for u to say they would smash ST.PAUL...PLEASE.

Still Laughing said:

It's official - A Fan is a LH HOMER! He finally came out of the closet.
Ok, all you St. Paul peeps don't need to get this guy any more riled up, he's bound to go off his meds and really lose it. You boys from St. Paul go do your thing and have a great season - in D4. Leave the little guys from LH alone now so they can go win their D6 championship and be proud- or maybe not; go Dusan Ancich and Villa Park - and hopefully you boys from St. Paul can represent So. Cal in the state champs games come December like Gardena-Serra did last year- because La Habra won't be getting the nod even with another championship.
And before you, A Fan(atic), try to out me as a St. Paul homer, don't even bother. I've already stated I'm a fan of good, competitive football - e.g. PAC-5 (D1), Inland (D2), Northern (D3) and Western (D4), and it stops there. And no, I'm not 12. I'm old enough to put you over my knee and swat you the way your parents should have, to set you straight and teach you some manners.
And one last thing - I HOPE TO GOD, JEHOVAH, OR WHOMEVER YOU PRAY TO - you're not really a coach as you stated in earlier posts. I'd hate to think about all the wrong things and twisted ways of thinking you've been putting into young people's lives when their parents were trusting you with their children.

A Fan said:

The Pit, you got it all wrong man! My son's not old enough yet and when he's scoring all over St. Paul i'll let you know on this blog! And just for future reference I don't think St. Paul would try to hire dumbazz people to coach would they?!! Enough said buddy! And just to let you know i took another job haha

THE PIT said:

THE FAN,
I think you tried to enroll ur son at sp and he was rejected for having a dumbazz for a father...

A Fan said:

@ Whittier, You got it right LH will never be St.Paul a team of the past!! Tradition I agree with but history has nothing to do with it! When you get smashed in league no one gives a crap what you did in 1960 genius!! LH's history of winning has already started! More kids in this area want to go La habra not St. Paul deal with it! My son would never go to St. Paul just to think they're great when there the only private school in the area and suck! Sorry if you can barely read..

Whittier said:

@A fan

Again, get it thru your head! LH will NEVER be ST PAUL.. wtf do you mean no one cares about history? Of course cause LH has none! If you ask everyone it's all about history and tradition something ST PAUL will always have and LH will NEVER have. !

btw STOP writing a whole 10 paragraphs you freak..

A Fan said:

@ Whittier, ok so you honestly think that St. Paul can beat LH?! Funny people that make state rankings in CA don't think so! I would rather agree with those guys than a prep writer that gets all scared when the St. Paul people keep talking crap about him! And ask any coach in this area that actually knows something about football and they would be truthful and say LH would smash St. Paul! It's bad enough that La Mirada parents that don't like La Habra are telling St. Paul people that La Habra would smash them! Only because they saw first hand both teams this year. And you are right about St. Paul having a better league and division which LH should be in instead of them! They have no shot in that league struggling with Ayala, LH's league and division is perfect for St. Paul to compete in! Face it St.Paul will never be the same it's not 1960 anymore get it through your heads!!!!!!! They can't even compete with the big boys!! Who cares about HISTORY? lol! NO ONE! HISTORY DOESN'T WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS! Good coaches and players do! And the league/division St. Paul's in they don't have a chance, I'm just saying the truth that you guys at St. Paul can't deal with. And don't think for a second that teams are intimidated by St. Paul because they were good a long time ago, no one cares that El Rancho, Bell Gardens,etc teams like that were good years ago - so don't think your the exception! La Habra will march into St. Pauls stadium, whoop your a$$ and leave like if they just played Whittier high school! Haha No one is this area has respect or is scared of you! And from here on out LH will only get better! They have 5 CIF Championships outta what the last 6 years and it's not like there in the same division they have continued to move up year after year and if they win this year, the word is there gonna move up again! I wish they would go to St. Pauls league and division! Then all YOUR mouths will be SHUT! St. Paul will never be the area power again! Next year I wish they would schedule La Serna first! They would beat St. Paul next year! La Serna will give La Habra a run for their money in next years scrimmage (and thats hard to say) but they have great young talent! Too bad we couldn't get there sophomore QB Palmer he's gonna be great! But n e ways, St. Paul is not as good as Ramirez thinks as he got pressured into to making them #1 in the area.. it won't be for long!

@ The PIT.. you failed to mention that the week before LH played a good team in El Dorado and whooped them like 55-14 and their legit starting senior QB got hurt and they had to start a QB that has never played a varsity game before with 3 days of preparation! You can say all you want that it's an excuse but it's the truth and lets see servite play a pretty good team without their starter.. Guarantee they won't play up to their potential either! La mirada parents even said on this blog that LH played their worst game and still won easier than what the score showed and they still scored more points with their #2 QB. Read my above post im not gonna repeat my self again, but St. Paul is not up to LH's caliber! And do you think if that game against St. Paul happened that LH would be all quiet or something?! I'll put all my money on Aaron Porter smashing all your players! A player going to UCLA and servite couldn't even block him but some lineman from St. Paul are gonna be able to?! You guys are hilarious man, get you head out! lol

A Fan said:

@ Whittier, ok so you honestly think that St. Paul can beat LH?! Funny people that make state rankings in CA don't think so! I would rather agree with those guys than a prep writer that gets all scared when the St. Paul people keep talking crap about him! And ask any coach in this area that actually knows something about football and they would be truthful and say LH would smash St. Paul! It's bad enough that La Mirada parents that don't like La Habra are telling St. Paul people that La Habra would smash them! Only because they saw first hand both teams this year. And you are right about St. Paul having a better league and division which LH should be in instead of them! They have no shot in that league struggling with Ayala, LH's league and division is perfect for St. Paul to compete in! Face it St.Paul will never be the same it's not 1960 anymore get it through your heads!!!!!!! They can't even compete with the big boys!! Who cares about HISTORY? lol! NO ONE! HISTORY DOESN'T WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS! Good coaches and players do! And the league/division St. Paul's in they don't have a chance, I'm just saying the truth that you guys at St. Paul can't deal with. And don't think for a second that teams are intimidated by St. Paul because they were good a long time ago, no one cares that El Rancho, Bell Gardens,etc teams like that were good years ago - so don't think your the exception! La Habra will march into St. Pauls stadium, whoop your a$$ and leave like if they just played Whittier high school! Haha No one is this area has respect or is scared of you! And from here on out LH will only get better! They have 5 CIF Championships outta what the last 6 years and it's not like there in the same division they have continued to move up year after year and if they win this year, the word is there gonna move up again! I wish they would go to St. Pauls league and division! Then all YOUR mouths will be SHUT! St. Paul will never be the area power again! Next year I wish they would schedule La Serna first! They would beat St. Paul next year! La Serna will give La Habra a run for their money in next years scrimmage (and thats hard to say) but they have great young talent! Too bad we couldn't get there sophomore QB Palmer he's gonna be great! But n e ways, St. Paul is not as good as Ramirez thinks as he got pressured into to making them #1 in the area.. it won't be for long!

@ The PIT.. you failed to mention that the week before LH played a good team in El Dorado and whooped them like 55-14 and their legit starting senior QB got hurt and they had to start a QB that has never played a varsity game before with 3 days of preparation! You can say all you want that it's an excuse but it's the truth and lets see servite play a pretty good team without their starter.. Guarantee they won't play up to their potential either! La mirada parents even said on this blog that LH played their worst game and still won easier than what the score showed and they still scored more points with their #2 QB. Read my above post im not gonna repeat my self again, but St. Paul is not up to LH's caliber! And do you think if that game against St. Paul happened that LH would be all quiet or something?! I'll put all my money on Aaron Porter smashing all your players! A player going to UCLA and servite couldn't even block him but some lineman from St. Paul are gonna be able to?! You guys are hilarious man, get you head out! lol

THE PIT said:

A FAN

Did you say FACT, it's just your wishful thinking.
You can't compare ST.PAUl team from last yr or 10 yrs ago. They have a strong TEAM this yr, and u'll see it come LEAGUE. No one really knows who would win, between SP and LH... u can only compare them by the team they both played.

ST.PAUL vs La mirada 24-7
LM scored w/ 2 min left against SP 2nd Defense .
Sp played w/ their injured starting RB's. still kicked azz.

LH vs LM 28-19 Mmmmmm

Fan what u forget is that SP would be sooo jacked up and pumped for this game. The hospital would be filled w/ LH players. ur coach know's it.

THE FACT is.... LH will never be SP.
and you know it...and it makes u upset.

TOO BAD.

Whittier said:

@a fan

Shut up you big arrogant LH fan!! I've read all the comments here and you are just b*tch*ng about how "good" LH is. It's sickening to my stomach to even think LH can be on the same field as ST Paul. The swordsmen have a better; league, division, and did I mention HISTORY? Yea LH has been playing quality football for about 2 years... ST Paul has been playing it for at least 50 years..

Now you can talk all this smack about how good you think you are this year.. but it's just a matter of time that LH will be no one AGAIN and St Paul will be the anchor of the area after next year with the new coaching staff.

A Fan said:

Still laughing, nice comment back! When I throw actual facts at you that's what you have to say...haha what are you 12?! Lol. And truthfully im not a LH homer I do love great football and not scared to admit when another team is better than the team ur pulling for! You have to be a Raider fan, can't admit that any other team is better when you never win a championship! Haha..! And how horrible would it be to lose to a team with skirts I mean kilts! Well you'll know if St.Paul ever schedules LH in the preseason which they won't! Dont say it's LH either cuz we all know Mazzota would jump on that..!

Still Laughing said:

Sorry Fan- you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. YOU can say you're a fan of great football but you're still a LH HOMER!
-and I'M STILL LAUGHING! Now go put your skirt- uh hum, I mean kilt on and blow your bagpipes!

A Fan said:

@Still Laughing, once again you prove your ignorance.. Just to get things straight I'm not a LH homer at all, I too just love great high school football! But when people talk about football like they know (and they really don't) it gets frustrating! I've watched and coached football in this area for a long time, and St. Paul has no chance in their league play to even compete with St. Francis, Chaminade and Serra so trust me the losing for them will come soon enough! And then what? Are you gonna say that they should still be #1 because they lost to decent teams and LH won their league championship again... but wont give them credit when LH lost to far more superior teams! Thats really why I don't agree with the ranking! And when you actually look at the teams in LH's divison (not league) division, the teams aren't as bad as you make it seem calling them division 6, St. Pauls division is obviously better but St. Paul doesn't even belong in that division, maybe they'll be able to play in La Habras division to challenge for a championship, they should actually switch with LH to make things much more competitive for both teams. One other thing I really can't stand is that St. Paul doesn't want to ever move down because they don't want to get embarrassed by losing inferior teams but thats where they belong! And when they lose to good teams thats their excuse, Oh well we lost to St. Francis or Chaminade in the second round boo hoo.. wait till next year... haha

And for you to say that St. Paul would score on LH is really ridiculous, I don't think you've seen LH play.. and St. Pauls offense is so bland and boring they will not be able to run the ball on LH at all! And thats there offense! No running and that 1950 offense is done! Its almost like your name laughable!! And I hope they play that cheater at Villa Park!

@ Steve Ramirez, I don't think that our rankings are correct at all.. speaking of college football.. Since Oregon lost to LSU would you rank them lower than UCLA now because UCLA beat Oregon St..?? That would be idiotic!! Everyone knows that Oregon is gonna kill UCLA and every coach and person that really understands and knows football in this area understands that LH would beat St.Paul easily! I almost wish you could put a poll out! What do you think would happen to St. Paul if they played those 3 teams it would be embarrassing for St. Paul, thats why they never would even think of making a schedule like that! I don't understand how you and even some people on this blog don't see that! And LH's doing all this with a QB that played his first varsity game ever 4 games ago! The way their competing is really a testimate to how great LH and their staff really is! And really.. it's how you play not who you play??!! Thats probably the worst philosophy I've ever heard pertaining to football!! So if La Habra beats a team like El Dorado by like 35 points and St. Paul beats Norwalk by 40 points it doesn't make a difference who they played??!! Would St.Paul deserve to be ranked higher? Of course not, because El Dorado is a way better team and program than Norwalk! And good teams want to play better football programs whether they win or lose in preseason because of what the experience does for the program! I actually commend what Santa Fe has done this preseason watch when they hit league! But has St. Pauls preseason schedule prepared them haha i don't think so! Watch when they hit league!

Mojo said:

Let's see how it all works out for the Swordsman. I agree with your philosophy Steve, you have it right.

It will be interesting to see how they fair against Chaminade. Their league schedule will be a huge test and La Habra's, although not their fault, won't help their cause.

It's unfortunate that St. Paul bailed on the Amat game, it would have been a much better one this year.

Still Laughing said:

@ A Fan- I'll play along..
Let me answer your couple of questions and see if you're man enough to accept my OPINION...

#1 - Anything could happen, but in their division, the Western Division (D-IV), 4 of the top 6 in that division are from the same league -- Mission.  Anyone, with any sense ("knows anything about football" as you say) can see that it's going to be a black-and-blue year to claim the league, let alone the division.  
So now let's look at the competitive Southwest Division (D6).  Only ONE team in the top 10 is from the Freeway League- guess who?  So, with that being said, the mighty Highlanders should skate through their league once again. Read on...
#2 - Ummm, well now that I've wasted a few moments of my life to prove to you that I'm a man (really?) and looked at some of the competition in that division- No, I'm not so sure it'll be that easy this year for LH to win (yet another) championship.  As of this week, Villa Park (based on what I see) could give LH a run for their money. And ohhhhh the irony!  Does anyone know the last name of the headcoach over at Villa Park?  It escapes me...
#3 - That's kind of hard to say since I haven't seen the Mission play this year and to be honest with you, you're such a LH homer that you've probably never seen them play, period.  They (LH) definitely wouldn't have taken out Gardena-Serra last year, which by the way played in the State Championships games last year (and yes, got beat but so did Servite).  When was the last time the Southwest Division represented So. Cal?  And I'm not going to even bother with the "what-ifs."  Because "what if we had launched those missiles at Cuba?"  Ask me that again in December.
#4 - And if St. Paul and La Habra played eachother do you really think St. Paul would even score? Absolutely!  
Let alone have a chance to even win?  Without a doubt!
AND I'M NOT EVEN A ST. PAUL "HOMER" (as one of your cohorts calls it)- I just like COMPETITIVE football; teams that have to compete week in and week out to be champions.  I'm simply not impressed with the competition in the Southwest Division- just as I'm not impressed with 8-man football championships.  I'm just being honest...
What you fail to see is that LH doesn't have what it takes to be able to get up for a big game week after week like the Mater Dei's, Mission Viejo's, O Lu's, Servites, etc.  You can't just be a "good" team to compete with the bigs every once-in-a-while for a two to three week span, you've got to get up for EVERY game, EVERY week to compete with the big boys.  LH didnt have anything left in the tank after O Lu.  You can't do that in the PAC-5.  That's BIG BOY football.  You're boys are D6 football. 
Look, go back to tooting your horn that they beat a San Clemente team when they had a down year and go win another championship - or maybe not - I see Villa Park's getting some respect...
And leave the competitive football to the upper divisions!
Good luck to all those in the PAC-5, Inland, Northern and Western Divisions!

Time will tell....... said:

@ A Fan


#1 -Possible

#2 -If they don't, it would be a shame...

#3 - Was it cause they are that good or was it that Servite play a vanilla game? O LU, did Clark have a helping hand (knowing the offense/defense) and yes I know he wasn't playing.....

#4 - That's the big question, would they? who knows, they'd have to play to find out.....Just like LH was suppose to beat SJB,but since the game was played we all know they didn't, word is LH will be on next years calendar if they choose to accept.....It's a game that needs to be played......


A fan: I'm not throwing anyone a bone, or selling out to anyone as you say. My theory on rankings haven't changed one bit since I first started ranking teams back when I worked for Cal-Hi Sports in the early 1990s. That philosophy is pretty basic. The spot a particular team has is theirs until they play their way out of it, either by losing to a team they should not lose to, or by not playing well, even in a win. Now, in college football, which I also write on, it's pretty simple. The No. 1 team in FBS is expected to win every game it plays, whether it be against Nos. 2, 3 or 4. If it loses, it drops and depending how it played in that game determines how far down the list it tumbles. It's a little bit more complex in area high school rankings when teams play other areas' top teams. But it all goes back to how you play. In La Habra's case, against Servite and Orange Lutheran, they played better than most thought they would, and I rewarded them for not only stepping up to play teams from the CIF-SS' elite division, but going toe-to-toe with them. That wasn't the case against St. John Bosco, which beat them 41-6. Coach Mazzotta said they weren't their usual self. They didn't play well, and while I give credit for teams stepping up, at the end of the day, you have to play well, and La Habra by its own admission didn't. Now St. Paul also wasn't impressive in beating Ayala by 3 points in a game it probably should have won by more. So basically, in my opinion, La Habra, with a 2-2 record was say, 3-4 points ahead of St. Paul, which was 3-0, going into last week. But after the results of last week, I had to penalize La Habra 10 points for not playing well, and maybe subtract five points for St. Paul for winning, but not playing as impressively as I thought they should. By my math, that put St. Paul 1 or 2 points ahead going into this week. It's always how you play not who you play. I think the rankings through five weeks reflect that.

A Fan said:

@ still laughing,

Let me ask you a couple questions and see if your man enough to answer them..

#1 - Will St. Paul even win a CIF Championship this year?

#2 - Will La Habra win a CIF Championship this year?

#3 - If La Habra was close enough to almost beat a few of the top teams in our state, do you think they would win the CIF Championship in St. Pauls division?

#4 - And if St. Paul and La Habra played eachother do you really think St. Paul would even score? Let alone have a chance to even win?

I just want you to be honest and not sarcastic to see if you actually know about football.. thats all..

Still Laughing said:

...and here we go... Let the flood gates open...
Don't be mad because the big boys like the Corona-Centennials (D2), the Servites (D1), the Serra's (D4) and the rest of the top-tier teams in CIF-SS will be representing So. Cal come December and La Habra (even with their umpteenth D6 championship) will be Christmas shopping and not even get so much as a bat of the eye from the CIF-SS to represent; let alone WHOMEVER wins D7 (aka the La Serna's of the world)! Get a clue, get a grip!

A Fan said:

Steve Ramirez is really a sellout! Just because he feels all the pressure of the St.Paul winers he throws them a bone! He knows that LH is the number one team in the area and Im not gonna even talk about the facts because someone by the name of LS FAN already did on this blog earlier this week and Im gonna paste it.. Here it is...

First off, even if LH lost to three Pac 5 schools that doesn't mean that they aren't number one in the area!! Thats what the ranking in this whittier daily news means right?! The #1 team in the area! Let's have a round robin play between all the teams in this area and every man and woman would put their paycheck on LH winning! NOT ST.PAUL! So yeah they lost 3 games in a row but look who they lost too? Have some common sense people... I know your St. Paul team is 4-0 but don't get too happy the losing will be coming soon, and if you played LH which you never would (cause you wouldn't schedule them) it wouldn't even be close, trust me I've seen both teams play! And look who your 4-0 against? LH played 3 teams that are ranked #1, #3, and #17 in the state of california! You wanna know the highest ranked team St. Paul has played this year La Mirada at #317! So with this information please stop talking like your better than LH or deserved to be ranked #1 in the area... stop being ignorant!

Powered By St.Paul said:

Their is a reason coach Ancich is the winiest coach in southern CIF section. You figure it out!

Still Laughing said:

...wait for it...

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