ANGELA ESTRANGED FROM DAUGHTER OCTOMOM NADYA BUT NOT BANNED FROM ENTERING THE HOUSE!
In a very candid interview outside her Whittier home, Angela talks about her relationship with her famous daughter.
Angela admits she is not talking with her only child, Nadya, much these days, "We are estranged.. Since she left this house."
When asked if Nadya has banned them from her La Habra home she said: "She wouldn't dare I don't think."
"She seems to want us out of her life, I dont know why...since we always did everything for her."
"I dont think she would ban us from the house.. grandparents have their rights.. we love the kids."
"She has gotten everything she ever wanted from her dad and from me. We found her a house, we have friends in real estate...it's not a new house, but one that would be feseable, not too too expensive."
"She just kind of just withdrew from us.. (when she left the Whittier home) she supposedly told someone she wanted us out of her life.. I don't know what's going on."
When asked if Nadya did not allow her and Ed to see their grandchildren any more, she said, "No, no, no... If she would do that I would get a lawyer because grandparents have rights. i dont think she would dare."
"I've been extrememly busy.. I iust got back from Sweden.. I'm trying to get things out of the house.. pack things together than I want, so."
Angela has been feeling sick lately as well, so she has not gone to see the children in a few days. "(I) haven't seen the kids for a couple of days. I have a medical problem and I'm waiting to get into Caremore to get it fixed."
Asked about who owns the home, Angela said that the home was put in Ed's name but "I don't know if it' s been changed yet... it was put in his name."
"Until she moved to that house... she totally changed," Angela reiterated.
"There was nothing really wrong except that I always thought she was kind of manipulative and very demanding for a single child. I used to teach and I asked my students (single children) ..they loved it and she always complained that she didn't have any siblings and blamed it all on us."
"I don't think she would of gotten along with siblings.. she was very spoiled."
Angela said Nadya was always wandering around at her first high school, near their Hacienda Heights home, and that is why she took her to the school she taught, Nogales High School where Nadya graduated from.
Do you think the children need a father in their lives: and angela said "Definitely, yeah! I'm a traditional mother, grandmother. I do believe that fathers are very important in any... child's life."
"But she chose not to (have a father in the children's lives)"
Is she keeping him away from the children? "I don't know"
Does he know he has 14 children? " I'm pretty sure he heard it from the media unless she talked to him.. she's talked to him once in a while. she said to me, because she knows I know who he is, not to divulge his... identity because he would loose his job. He has a pretty good important job and of course I wouldn't say anything against what she wants me (to say)."
So you respect her in that sense? "yes. Yeah, I really never done anything against her. I don't know what her beef is."
"I'm totally confounded. Maybe I need to go to therapy.. figure all this out. (laughs) .... maybe she could go too. Now all of a sudden she wants to get rid of us. There is something going on and I don't understand."
When told that Nadya would move out of state first before anyone would take her children, Angela said "Yeah, I believe that.. She is very .. happy to have all these children, as long as it happened.. but she wouldn't listen to us not to do this last invitro.."
When asked how Nadya got away from her parents, Angela admitted that "I guess she was always so dependent, maybe I just mentioned once "You really need to get a little more independent. What is this, you're 33 and you're still living in my house? She never paid anything. Now she decided to do it but in a way.. as if I threw her out, which I never did. It's not true. I dont know it just a weird situation."
Angela said she is going to move in with her best friend because that friend has a big house with a lot of space. She will pay rent and she is "going to try to save up a little so I can get me a little house sometime again."
"I'm actually able to save a little (money)" now that she does not spend on the children's daily needs.
Then Angela addressed the recent Life & Style article which showed photos of her home in disarray.
Angela said she got a phone call from a reporter saying they had been waiting and that she had agreed to an interview. Angela says she told them she was still about one hour away because of traffic. She told him to go sit down inside because the day was very hot.
"Well, that was a mistake because there were photographers and they started taking all those pictures inside. WIthout permission they did that." The article ran a few weeks later. And when Ed went to her (Nadya's) house (after the article ran) she said you're not welcome at my house."
Angela said Nadya went back inside and the nanny opened the door. Ed then went inside and wanted to talk but Nadya refused to talk to her father, according to Angela. "She was blaming us, she was thinking we showed it all and all that. We didn't, we didn't."
And Angela ended by giving Octorazzi his due PROPS!!!! "Half of the comments were wrong.. They embellish and say things I didn't say, so I'm thinking I'm not going to talk to anybody any more but you're a nice guy so (laughs)" and Octorazzi thanked her for speaking with me for a few minutes!
NADYA'S COMMENTS FROM JULY 29, 2009:
QUOTES:
When asked bout banning her parents from visiting her home, Nadya had this to say:
I don't want to talk about that (banning her parents from her home). I don't want to talk about it but all I want to say that even if family, you can't trash your family, you can't say such deprecating things and expect to be completely accepted."
When her father went over to her home and tried to explain the situation about the magazine article Nadya said she did not want to talk about it but that. " He was being really insistent and started yelling... at me, so I kindly asked him to leave." "And he continued to do that, so I was actually contemplating a restraining order against both."
"I'm going to wait on that though."
Do you still welcome your mom to see your children or not.
"No, but she just happened to show up yesterday when she knew I would not be home." While Nadya was at Disneyland with Elijah.
Are you ok with her seeing the children?
"I believe as a grandmother she deserves to be a part of their lives but until this is resolved, I need time to resolve this, because she can't continue that behavior. It's either she's totally ablovious to what she does, how disparaging she is to the kids."
END QUOTES
Whadda YA think of THAT??? Do Tell! LATES!
I think Nadya needs to read your interview with you and grandma. Those kids are wondering where grandma and grandpa are dontcha think? Maybe someone could take them over to their home to visit. Say a friend or someone.
"She seems to want us out of her life, I dont know why...since we always did everything for her." ***(Angela, you answered you own question. Don't spoil and protect your kids from consequences for THEIR actions)
"Until she moved to that house... she totally changed," Angela reiterated. ***(No Angela this was a lifelong process that you and gypsygramps initiated. Or, should blame the ghosts that live there)
"There was nothing really wrong except that I always thought she was kind of manipulative and very demanding for a single child. ***(Angela I think you are the one with the mind of a 13 year old. You don't see anything wrong with a CHILD that is manipulative- read up on some case studies of famous sociopaths) I used to teach and I asked my students (single children) ..they loved it and she always complained that she didn't have any siblings and blamed it all on us." ***(Oh poor little Angela, a spoiled brat blamed something on you. Maybe you should have went and told the teacher)
"I'm totally confounded. Maybe I need to go to therapy.. figure all this out. (laughs) .... maybe she could go too. ***(Although never too late, you needed therapy before you got prego) Now all of a sudden she wants to get rid of us. There is something going on and I don't understand."
Angela admitted that "I guess she was always so dependent, maybe I just mentioned once "You really need to get a little more independent. What is this, you're 33 and you're still living in my house? She never paid anything. Now she decided to do it but in a way.. as if I threw her out, which I never did. It's not true. I dont know it just a weird situation." ***(You and gramps created this Monster so stop your whining; Nadya was not born this way. Actually you should have thrown her out years ago, before the kids. You kept enabling and kissing her A$$ so of course she never learned to be appreciative. Stop your whining)
Although I feel sad for the kids, Little Eddie and Angie already created one monster. The world doesn't need these weirdo grandparents to influence and create 14 more.
Have a great day ladies and gents. I'll go and check-out some other drama as in the Real Housewives of Atlanta, new season starts tonight. hehehe
Exactly, Lindy,
There is nobody to blame but Octoparents, themselves! I don't feel sorry for anybody in that family. Octomom asked for this! Octogranny saying "she wouldn't dare"?
Sounds like she's daring Octomom to ban her from seeing the kids. This is pathetic!
naturegirl :)
Didn't Nadya say at one point that her parents were toxic? Am I mistaken that Nadya said unfavorable things about Gramps doing the Oprah show too??? Yet .. who did she live with rent free, and who took the kids to school .. sometimes. Maybe her parents should have had Nadya's bright thinking. " even if family, you can't trash your family, you can't say such deprecating things and expect to be completely accepted." What have they done for all her life .. huh ???? Listen to her say everything she wanted , lies and all.... and they were still there for her ... WOW. Trying to figure out how she got so high on that judgemental stuff. Just one point.... all those people that made the house so beautiful for Nadya and the kids .. and helped her move ... couldn't they have lent just a small hand out to grandma and the clean up with the destruction left behind? Just a little consideration to her with all that free help.. ?
Octoparents are/were enablers ... but come on. I certainly don't blame my parents for my life choices anymore. My mistakes are mine alone that I have chosen after 18 yrs. Once I had my first child I realized that I am not a perfect parent, I personally don't know any. I understood that my parents were human beings that did the best they could and made mistakes, just as I will.{okay nadya's parents are way out there} We can only do the best we can. Nadya should have figured that out .. hmm .. I will give her 6 kids ago and maybe her so called education. Nadya can blame this and that on her parents but it is only an excuse now. She is a grown woman and has made choices that she needs to be responsible for .. her alone as a grown woman. I would never, and would be mad as heck if someone tried to put my bad choices on my parents. Choices , I made as a grown woman. Especially, if I claimed to be so educated like Nadya. OMG .. she thought about a restraining order. I am holding my breath since I said something now that Nadya might not like .... I could be next. JMO
Hello, folks! We've finally finished our systems upgrades and...as near as I can tell, this thing I'm typing into is Still... *drumroll*... a computer!
*sigh* : )
Thanks for the update, Mr. Roa! The interviews were very informative.
I have a good question for the Octorazzis and the NS board. The problem is, I can't bring it up over there because it's rather obvious that if I register and sign in, I'll most likely get a virtual pummeling from some of the members. *chuckling* So, I'll bring it up here and hopefully, one of the astute researchers there will put it in a thread. Meanwhile, we can discuss it here, if anyone's interested. PS, Duggie, Millie, Lindy, anyone?
The question is this: Should the following people take 2 polygraph tests and would they pass? The question also has several subquestions, such as, what questions should be on the polygraph tests, etc.
The list of people:
Nadya Suleman
Ed Doud Suleman
Angela Suleman
Jeff Czech
Mrs. Jeff Czech
Linda Conforti
Gloria Allred
Paul Petersen
One of the nannies
And anyone else you'd like to add to the list. This should lead to some interesting conversation, I hope.
Looking forward to your responses,
sharond
In our state, one can file and have served a restraining order on anyone for any reason. It's so easy. Just fill out the paperwork, the judge rubber stamps it, have it served and it's done.
The one being served has the option of going to civil court and contesting it. That's expensive. Since the restraining order doesn't constitute a conviction for any crimes, it doesn't really count for anything in background checks and such.
Either of the parties can request a police investigation into the servee's activities that led to the server's restraining order. This is advised so that if the servee goes to court to contest the order, the judge will see the police report and uphold the restraining order. The judge might also refer the case, if there is an indication of possible criminal activity. However, if the police report states there's no evidence of the server's accusations, the judge might terminate the restraining order.
The average servee can't usually afford the attorney's fees to contest the restraining order.
Besides, the orders usually expire in about a year or so anyway.
If I may??
Linda Conforti's Polygraph
"Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?" asks the Polygrapher.
Linda replies, "Yes. [pause] EEK! What the heck is that? Is that a fire alarm? What the bejesus are all those bells and whistles and alarms going off?"
In other words, Nadya's mention of a restraining order is an empty threat, belonging up there will, "I'll sue!"
Nadya and Ed would refuse to do one. Angela would and she would fail.
Jeff Czech - the device would melt immediately upon touching his skin.
Lise-----*ROFLMAO!!!!!*
Gloria's response to the request to take a polygraph:
"Darlin I'm a lawyer. I don't do polygraphs."
______________________________________
Paul Peterson's Polygraph
"Do you promise to ... blah blah."
"Yes" replies Peterson.
Polygrapher: "Do you wish someone would ask you to be in a reality show?"
Peterson replies, "NO."
ALERTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT ALERTTTTTTTTTTTT. Get the fire extinguisher.
Whatever Nadya's other faults I think she is showing enormous self-control in dealing with her mother. Given the way Angela is constantly dissing Nadya a case could be made that Angela is a bad influence on the children. That is what parental alienation cases are about.
How can Angela not understand why Nadya doesn't want her around? Uh, Angela, you just called your own daughter selfish and manipulative. Am I supposed to believe that this woman was a good mother to Nadya? As I understand it Angela never owned that house Ed did. I doubt Angela had anything to do with finding Nadya's new house either. Angela is a professional martyr. She must have been hell to grow up with.
*LOLLOLLOL*
Angela is the answer Info-. She IS the answer.
The link you were looking for:
http://wwwDOTocregisterDOTcom/video/indexDOTphp?bcpid=1127694947&bclid=1125901233&bctid=30883871001
Geez Nadya, put a bra on. You are going to court regarding your children, for God's Sake.
Big flappers.
Low hanging flappers.
In a low cut Tank Top.
No Bra for support.
Thank you!
Yeah Czech was helping her put on her jacket. The reason she waited to put it on until out of the car? So it would not get wrinkled. IMO.
Has Czech gained weight?
I feel sorry for her. Her choice or not, she seems so alone.
Lindy - why do people say she is not wearing a bra? I think she is. She just needs a better one with support. If you go in VS to buy a bra the bra specialist will tell you that the majority of women do not know how to find a proper fitting bra.
She just looks so natural with headlights on and all. However, I agree that you may be right. She may be wearing the little lacy ones with no underwire.
Lise, sorry I don't know the link to the video of Angela.
I can't quite figure out what Nadya's choice of bra or lack thereof has to do with anything. It seems very similar to dissing Gloria based on her choice of a baby pink suit.
Ok, once again, you asked what I think of that,I'll be more than happy to give my opinion! "Angela said, Ed said, Nadya said".... Well, their lips are moving, so what does that tell you? I don't think an ounce of truth comes out of their collective mouths together in a year. Or else they've all lied about EVERYTHING for so long they wouldn't know the truth if it came and slapped them in the face. They all have dirty hands as far as I'm concerned, they've proven it time and again, being caught in lies and half truths and contradictions. IMO
I agree with you Info. I just wanted to take up for her. I hope you know I do not agree with calling her names and all that. I wish, as I think I told ca grlz one time, that everyone would just refer to her as Nadya. Points can come across just as well without the names.
"I agree with you Info. I just wanted to take up for her. I hope you know I do not agree with calling her names and all that. I wish, as I think I told ca grlz one time, that everyone would just refer to her as Nadya. Points can come across just as well without the names."
I understood where you were coming from Lise. I wasn't referring to your comments.
I agree with you on the name-calling. Nadya is actually looking better and better to me because she doesn't seem to be a cruel person and so much of the criticism is either petty or unsubstanciated.
Lise, you are right. Every time I logon and read the comments, it reminds me of SNL and Dan Akroyd. He starts his commentary with, "Jane, you ignorant slut". That kind of behavior is OK in satire, but when supposedly civilized people treat each other is this fashion, I wonder what has happened to our manners. We are all angry over this situation for one reason or another but instead of using our collective minds to rectify the situation, we take potshots at each other. This is a very interesting exercise in social behavior.
We have in essence, allowed this family to turn us against each other. And we are all aware of the phrase. ‘divide and conquer’. That’s exactly what they are doing. Like magicians, they are asking us to look at the right hand and then the left hand performs the trick.
My suggestion, stop fighting each other. We keep throwing around unfounded rumors and like the game of gossip, the story keeps changing. An example, her trips to Disneyland. How can she afford the tickets? They are expensive. How can she afford the gas? Does she use her handicap sticker to get to the beginning of the lines? How dare she use the ‘Fast Pass’ for the rides. Etc.
Well, she probably bought 2 Season or Annual passes at a discounted rate available to SoCalifornians, only. And if they put your picture on the pass, don’t you think that the children look so much alike that any one of them could pass for each other in a very poor photo. And then the trip to Disneyland. All she has to do is go to the end of Madonna Lane, left on Palm, right on Whittier Blvd., left on Harbor Blvd. 7 miles, right into the Disneyland Parking Lot. And the ‘Fast Pass’. They are available for anyone that enters the park. And since she goes after 05:00 pm when all the other rugrats have gone home, there are no lines for the children’s rides. In fact, after 05:00 pm Fantasyland and Adventureland cater to the teenage crowd.
So you see, taking the children, one at a time, to Disneyland is not the big deal that everyone makes it out to be. It's not even the price of her Jimmy Choo sunglasses. And the more you complain about it, the more she will go, just to make you angry. If negative behavior provides a response, she will keep doing it. You have ticked her off and she is just returning the favor. At least that is what I would do. JMHO TYVM
Pinch me! Did I die and go to heaven??? Sanity, rationality, empathy on this board?? Where did THAT come from? Yesterday I pretty well had begun thinking, "I can't do this anymore". The level of screed just takes me down so much. When, lo and behold, one last look this morning, and reasoned thought instead of name calling dominates this page. Lise et al. have a thread going that sounds like mature adults have decided to start posting. Thank you for the reinvigoration to my spirit that you all have brought.
Quartz, good to see you back! I agree with your comment above. I had decided not to let myself get pulled in when called names anymore so when I saw the tenor of yesterday's comments I shut my computer and went away. Then I came back this morning to check for news and a new turn a round!
I agree with Info about Angela. I have been saying from the beginning that I couldn't understand how anyone could villify her own daughter to the media the way she has. I don't think whole story would have nearly the negative publicity it has if Angela had kept her mouth shut. Because of that attitude, I don't know that I believe much of what she tells us about her daughter. She appears to be in it for the money.
I really don't think Angela is a good influence on those children. She probably goads them into reacting much in the same way some posters on these boards do to one another. We can control ourselves and not do it or respond. The children are to young to have developed that level of control yet and when she goes after them in emotionally fragile moments like when Mommy was fresh out of the hospital and still not able to "play" as usual because of a large abdominal incision and they were hearing that 8 new babies were coming to live with them, one of them couldn't take any more and chased her with a knife. Children are notoriously jealous of new siblings and likewise protective of their mothers. I bet if we had a videotape of that whole scenario it would appear much different than her version. Nadya truly does show great control in not responding in like fashion. We have seen Angela at work doing this a couple of times and it was not a pretty sight.
Whenever I see Angela, the word "snivelling" always comes to mind. I have actually seen her look wonderful once (in a photo), and it was when she was playing with a grandchild on the driveway...she positively glowed. So, for me, I am sure she has some redeeming qualities. It is just hard to see them through her whinging behaviour.
I agree with the inappropriateness of name calling. I have never liked when people make fun of Nadya's looks or make up names for the family. Making fun of her looks is totally different from a discussion on whether she may have have plastic surgery or not.
Really, how much do we know about the whole story? That leaves us to discuss and form opinions on what we do know, but we should use caution when stating facts. Are we ever going to get a videotape of Nadya's life? No! Unless we are a fly on the wall at all times, we can only guess and wonder. How accurate will this Eyeworks production be? The producers will let us see the view they produce. Delete, cut, and paste is what it will be all about. They will show what sells.
At the same time, you can go either way in a discussion. Whether or not the knife incident happened as reported is one thing, but I have four children and one stepchild and also had a large incision after my last and I saw no jealously to the point of angry behavior. We can state that Angela was goading the situation and Nadya acted in control and appropriately, but do we really know?
We all like our thoughts and opinions (and that is largely what they are) to be "right or correct".
I don't happen to agree with some of the posters thoughts on Angela, but feel my opinions are based on no less "facts' then theirs. I try to look at the situation objectively from what I have seen and what I have experienced/observed in my own life.
I would hope this board stays one where both sides are welcomed to be discussed and everyone takes a little something from every poster.
Probably won't happen ( impossible???), but I feel the best thing Nadya can do for herself and her children is to stop giving RO interviews, stop doing Tabloid mag photo shots, and not produce a documentary on her life. Get into some counseling and try to find some adults whoa re actually out for her best interests. I'm not sure how she could support her family, but maybe if she stayed out of the spotlight for awhile, some reputable magazine or publisher would be interested in her story.
Yeah, the name calling was getting out of hand!
I don't see anything wrong with "Octomom", though.
At one time, she wanted to patent the name.
As far as her NOT wearing a bra, it sure looks like it! I'm little, don't like bras, they are very uncomfortable, but still wear one, especially in public! I know, who cares! 8)
naturegirl :)
Good mornining all... just wanted to stop by and say Today's a Freebie!
A Freebie?
Do you mean the "tax free holiday", on clothes and shoes?
naturegirl :)
I agree. When we become adults, we can not blame our parents any more. It's our fault, our mistake and when it happens we need to accept it and move on. History, should not have to repeat itself! Although, what goes around, comes around. Octogranny, does feel they do need counseling, so that is the first step, if they take it!
naturegirl :)
Hi Nature... nah, I just meant I'm not going to comment today. They say "We keep throwing around unfounded rumors and like the game of gossip, the story keeps changing." And the very next paragraph is ALL suppositions. I just don't feel like dealing with stupidity today.
Thanks for the note...I had not gone away, as I do read this board pretty often, but it had just taken such a toll on my spirit I could not bring myself to even post. I used to mentor a student who said, "I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent". It pretty much describes how I make the decision as to whether posting is worth it or not. I don't mind adding to (at least, contributing to, it remains for others to determine if my thoughts, indeed, "add") the discourse, but when it garners only a cacophony of blistering venom, then I prefer to just withdraw.
I hope that the fate of this family is positive...both the Suleman's and the members of this board.
I think she means that the kinds of posts that so upset some of us will be absent today.
I don't think Angela sounds whiney. To me she sounds confused, hurt and set aside.
I can't get past ANYONE being so dismissive and disrespectful to their parents. Nadya has lived on her "own" now for ALL of 6 months [out of 34 years]!
My Mother and Mother in Law often had their own point of veiw on how I parented my children and how I lived my life. Did it offend me? Yes! Would I get all self righteous and huff MYOB?! NO!
I shut my mouth and THANKED them for caring.
Oh, my bad!!
I don't recall any "name" calling yesterday, though, it has gone through here on some days!
naturegirl :)
Hey GrandmaB
I am here for you! Are you here for me? 8)
naturegirl :)
Hey Nature... I'm here for you too!
Hey Nature... I'm here for you too!
Meant to say "I've got your back".
"My Mother and Mother in Law often had their own point of veiw on how I parented my children and how I lived my life. "
Did you Mom and MIL tell all your friends and family and neighbours what they thought of how you live your life and how you parent your children?
I'm sure Britney Spear's parents were appalled at her behavior and they probably had a whole lot to say to her about her drugs and exhibitionism and parenting but if so they told her not the press.
When I have a problem with something my daughter is or is not doing I discuss it with her not the world. If she had children and I was concerned for them again I would discuss it with her not the world.
If I dissed her in public, repeatly, I wouldn't expect to be welcome in her home.
When a divorced parent disses the other parent it's called parental alienation and the courts will suspend contact if it doesn't stop.
Angela better be careful if she wants to see her grandchildren. Even without a court order Nadya can severely limit Angela's access to the children.
Hey GrandmaB
Gotcha back, too!
Octomom and Octogranny do need to see a counselor, if only for the children's sake. Yes, Octomom has been out of "mommy's" house for six months, finally, she took the first step as to being "out on her own"! Although, Octogranny has helped her in more ways than one, and sure she loves her grandchildren and wants to be a part of their lives, she just needs to step back and let Octomom do "her thing"! I know Octomom needs to "help" her mother see that "she" is not the enemy. Let her mother know the things that she has done was welcomed and appreciative! And of course it should be done publicly because they are in the public eye now!
After all, children need their grandparents.
naturegirl :)
Geeez... I just can't keep still...
"If I dissed her in public, repeatly, I wouldn't expect to be welcome in her home."
What about the "dissing" Nutsy has been doing to her parents? "They are toxic", "I want them out of our lives"? And these statements are AFTER Angela put them up in her house, paid all their bills, babysat the grandchildren while she was in the hospital (how many times?) and much more.
What an ungrateful, spoiled, controlling, witch!
Angela and Ed should just let her go. And when she comes running back to them, they should tell her SHE is not welcome in their home. THEY don't need her kind of "negativity" in their lives. Let's just see how well that would sit with Nutsy! And let's just see how well that would sit with the gushers on the boards!