Hey-oh!
Got a CREDIBLE confirmation that TODAY is Nadya's BIRTHDAY. 34th to be exact.
Some websites have her AS BEING FROM JULY 11 AND OTHERS FROM OCTOBER 12 and even others don't make up their minds and list both.
But, Octorazzi was able to gather this info for YOU. Short of checking her ID or birth certificate or checking with her (no can do today) we'll have to wait til Monday for NASU verification.
Lates!
Or HEY OH, we could just check TMZ's website for copies of all 14 kids birth certificates, which states that her birthdate is 7/11/75. Presuming she didn't lie about that the way she did about the name of the daddy.
Lates!!!
http://photos(dot)tmz.com/galleries/octo_birth_certificates
ADMIN NOTE: Thanks for that. Octorazzi has all those docs somewhere but since it's nice out, why fiddle around. Thanks for the legwork.
We knew Nadya Suleman had no parental skills, but we expected it would take a few years for it to really show in her children's behavior!
"Times up because her kid is PSYCHO! Nadya's mother told the National Enquirer that her 2 year old grandson, Caleb, attacked her with a meat knife.
“He was out of control," says Octo-Grannie. "He chased me with a knife and threw sharp objects at me”.
Scary shiz!
Apparently, the young boy chased his 69 year old grandmother throughout the house until she was able to pry the knife away from him. However, Nadya never stepped in to help her mother- "she was apparently scared of provoking him." "
I saw this as a news story...is there anything to this?
ADMIN NOTE: Octorazzi will try to get to the bottom of this story soon. It seems a little suspect that a 2-yr. old would actually have an knife and at the same time throw sharp objects (sharp objects????) while chasing someone. A two year old's coordination is not that great, so maybe Octogramma was "slathering a bit too much mustard on her hot dog?"
I saw this as a news story...is there anything to this?
You tell us Octorazzi.
I don't know, it is an excerpt of a story from a British tabloid, had not seen it elsewhere, so wondered. I hate to see them vilifying such a small child...it disturbs me that his own grandmum would say this??
In relooking at my first post, I had encapsulated the entire story in quotes when I cut and pasted....these seem to have gotten lost. The entire post, except the last sentence, is from the article.
Cor blimey! Who cares about her barfday. This barmy bat deserves nothing but to be hosed down in an icy water of epic fail. She will get exactly what she deserves in the coming future and sadly all 14 of her children will suffer in the end.
Where exactly did she get her so-called degree in child development? From a box of Cracker Jacks? I mean really?! She has no control over her older children's aggressive behaviours towards each other (granted that is a bit normal from what I gleaned growing up with old friends that came from large families as opposed to my solo rearing) but she doesn't discipline them.
And she wishes do to whaaaa? Dispense advice as a child counselor or some such nonsense? pshaw!
Her detachment towards her 'tups is so painfully and glaringly obvious and quite sad. How could a mother not know the names of each of her newbournes? I mean, seriously?
Well, she got what she longed for and that was to be inducted into the annals of the Stupendously Infamous Pseudo Non-entities.
ADMIN NOTE: Octorazzi will try to get to the bottom of this story soon. It seems a little suspect that a 2-yr. old would actually have an knife and at the same time throw sharp objects (sharp objects????) while chasing someone. A two year old's coordination is not that great, so maybe Octogramma was "slathering a bit too much mustard on her hot dog?"
When's the last time you were around a two-year old? Let's not forget that this is also the child who bites and has been filmed hitting his autistic brother...
But, if you actually read the article, it does not state that it was Caleb. It alludes to it being an older sibling.
"She fell on the floor and hurt her arm. He also attacked his younger brother Caleb (2)."
www(dot)bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/07/10/octomom-nadya-suleman/octuplets-mothers-son-attacks-grandmother-with-meat-knife.html
ADMIN NOTE: Ahhemmm.. Let me recall when it was that I was around a 2-yr old? Oh yeah, YESTERDAY, for quiet a bit with CALEB & CALISSA of all things. Well behaved at the park with their teacher by the way. The children love to see their photos on my camera and even pose for me all the time. Obviously, too much information for YOU but just thought I would let you know my experience with these specific children has been a good one. They listen to the nannies and pay attention to all they are told to do. Thanks.
Please don't quote that loser scum. He's worse than the Inquirer - who thought that would be possible!!
I tell you what! This story better be dang true because we are talking about a child here (not the 2-year-old). Think about if parents of the children that go to school with him read this. Unforgivable. Now it's acceptable to spread gossip about a child just because people hate the mother? Hate the mother, hate the child?
Author Profile Page CA_Grlz | July 11, 2009 7:24 PM | Reply
ADMIN NOTE: Octorazzi will try to get to the bottom of this story soon. It seems a little suspect that a 2-yr. old would actually have an knife and at the same time throw sharp objects (sharp objects????) while chasing someone. A two year old's coordination is not that great, so maybe Octogramma was "slathering a bit too much mustard on her hot dog?"
When's the last time you were around a two-year old? Let's not forget that this is also the child who bites and has been filmed hitting his autistic brother...
But, if you actually read the article, it does not state that it was Caleb. It alludes to it being an older sibling
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QFT CA_Grlz
I've had the sads of witnessing first hand years ago, of a 2 1/2 year old girl terrorising her 1 1/2 year old brother with sharp scissors!!! Among other things. The little girl would emulate her aggressions against her brother and even against her dad just by witnessing how her "mother" treated her father (my friend). It's a bit rare to hear that men can be abused by their partners as much as they can dish it out.
My friend is the most awesome and generous guy/dad in the world who lived for his children but ended up with a messed up bitch for a wife.
With my help, he got out of that volatile marriage and although his daughter could not be saved, his son (which I helped raise) grew up to be a well adjusted and brilliant young man DJing all around the world.
So, reading about the older boy of NaSu acting out in aggression, isn't any surprise regardless of the truth to this story. Abuse from anyone regardless of age is not only unacceptable but deplorable.
I wonder how much Angela got paid for this "exclusive" should it be true? lol >.<
PS, Thank you. Gossip and speculation about the children is inappropriate.
Razzi, it's nice to hear a good report about the twins.
Was it Caleb or Aiden that called the paparazzi "b*tch"? It was right in a RO video. Nadya thought it was quite funny.
I recall in the early days when Octoidiot was living in the previous house that a neighbor complained (to the police, or just publicly I don't know) that one or two of the older kids were throwing rocks at his car. Octoidiot's response referenced "differing parenting styles", period. At the time I thought to myself if this is her attitude,she's going to have lots of mug shots to add to the family photo library in the very near future.
Octomom has gone Octocrazy!! She is claiming Octohouse is haunted!! Check it out on RO.
"BOO! Octo-Mom Nadya Suleman Says Octo-Home Haunted!" This is the Headline.
Sorry, I still haven't figured out, how to do the link. Just go to RO, and write in "Octomom", it is the first video.
naturegirl :)
Here is a news story that ran today on Fox News:
"Cops Question Two Linked to Killings of Couple With 16 Kids". This was a couple who remarried, with four children between them and then, for the 18 tears of their marriage, began adopting children with developmental disabilities. No reason for this known yet: the children were left unharmed. How tragic, especially for these children who were given another..loving..shot at life , only to have it snatched away from them. How likely is it that someone else will have the heart for them the way these folks did?
Rest in peace.
These supposed incidents happened while Nadya was in the hospital, whether before or after the birth is not clear. This pregnancy put these very young children into a very stressful situation.
The deranged 911 calls happened in October.
In November their only parent disappeared into the hospital for over 2 months.
That enormous pregnant belly frightened me. I wonder how her children perceived it?
In January their mother became an "octomom" and all hell broke loose. The babies weren't babies but "octuplets" Maybe a few nightmares of little octopi invading their home?
They move. Their VERY FIRST NIGHT in this strange new place, some octopuses are brought home WAY after bedtime in a re-creation of the Shock and Awe campaign in Baghdad! Flashbulbs, helicopters, screaming crowds, lawyers punching walls! Sweet dreams kids!
And it didn't stop there. She kept sneaking those octothings in, 2 at a time! When will it stop?!
All children are not created equal. Octo babies are special, famous, and are what everyone wants to see. They provide an opportunity the older 6 never could.
How confused they must be. If there were NO reports of acting out, I flat out would not believe it.
I'm glad there are a lot of adults in that house who can establish routines, and that things are settling down.
I don't see how the financial requirements of this large family can be sustained. They may be in and out of poverty.
Emotionally? 14 children will have to differentiate themselves to compete for a very limited resource: A single parent's undivided attention.
ADMIN NOTE: CLAP.... CLAP.... CLAP.... .... CLAP... Hey-oh! EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION.
Here we have an INDIVIDUAL who truly looked at THIS situation, examined it, gave factual information gathered from news reports, put it all together in coherent thoughts and gave her opinion VERY ELOQUENTLY just like OCTORAZZI asked. LIKE IT OR NOT, this style of writing, this way of expressing thoughts IS EXACLTY what makes anyone keep reading ... and thinking... Congratulations on expressing YOURSELF, for examining the situation and giving YOUR take on it without resorting to simplistic verbal attacks. PS: Ya'll followin' Octorazzi on TWITTER yet??? Go here NOW
http://www.twitter.com./OCTORAZZI THANKS!
Octorazzi- these facts have all been stated before. YOU have chosen to seclectively decide which posts were worthy of your praise based on your bias.
Yes, CA_Grlz, I agree with you. The facts Katy mentioned, all have been stated before, by practically, everyone on the board. Really, Octorazzi, how was Katy's so worthy of your praise?
naturegirl :)
ADMIN NOTE: The writer WAS critical of our subject and made some very good points. Our writer was NOT praising NaSu at all. Yes, it is true that the facts mentioned have all been stated before, BUT, this person TOOK THE HIGH ROAD and even thought her comments, her thoughts, her view of the entire subject is not a positive one to say the least, she was eloquent in expressing her feelings. TYVM
PS: It is practically what everyone keeps bring up day in and day out, but this person showed a respectful approach to making her point and that is what I praise. She could have been talking about any other subject and my response would have been the same.
Oh yeah, Octorazzi. What's so special about "twitter"? I am not impressed!!
naturegirl :)
ADMIN NOTE: Admit it naturegirl, YOU twitter... lol
Thanks guys, and ironic. I wasn't competing for attention. That said, I guess mommy likes me more than YOU.
Guess so, Katy. Mommy does play favorites, LOL.
And thank you Octorazzi. I've trashed talked my share here , but I did try to be thoughtful for once and see things from the kid's point of view
TWEET, TWEET, OCTORAZZI!! LOL
naturegirl :)
Thank you Octorazzi. I was so tired of reading the rants of that succubus, spewing poison with every breathe. Her negative energy drew everyone into a really nasty mood and changed the tenor of your site for the worse. It is shown in the disrespect shown towards you. These posters are guests to your site They are no better than Octomom. They emulate her faults in themselves. It’s is quite amusing to watch. The pot calling the kettle black.
I applaud you for finally taking control of your site. Keep up the good work and I might return. I don’t know whether you know this or not, but you have lost a lot of intelligent posters since her appearance. But be careful, she is back with a different moniker.
What ARE you taking about??
Please don't refer to those beautiful children as "octothings".
Awesome word!! I had to look it up even! Nothing more fun than finding a tantalizing new word to add to one's lexicon.
I don't know what the following text refers to:
"I was so tired of reading the rants of that succubus, spewing poison with every breath. Her negative energy drew everyone into a really nasty mood and changed the tenor of your site for the worse"
but for sure I know the feeling it describes! I am not sure to whom you refer, but regardless, hope the board will stay constructive.
Thanks for your post!
Hi GrandmaB, Cheyenne, ca grlz, Susan, Sandy and all! Hope you had a way better weekend than I.
Noooooooooooo. I'm so sad. I can't believe readers are eating up that ricockulous story! This is awful.
QuatorzeEnfants, regarding katy's use of "octothings." I too thought at first she was calling them that but after rereading what she said she was stating what the older children might have been thinking.
Off to catch up on reading. Hope we all have a good week.
Happy Birthday Nadya.
QE,
I sincerely meant no disparagement to these children. I too think they are beautiful and wish them every blessing. I only wanted to illustrate how confusing and SCARY the octuplet frenzy must have been to the older children at their homecoming. I know several young children that thought the "octomom" gave birth to octopus!
Regarding there purported behavior at this time, I am sad that they must have felt so unsafe and threatened to act out this way. I hope the adults in charge stop pointing fingers at each other and get down to the business of nurturing and supporting and attending to these lovely kids.
Ditto. I've been clicking on this site since March. Many times I've felt too intimidated to post.I've never perceived a "hidden agenda" behind the curtain of this site. I appreciate Razzi's acurate, verbatim quotes from the players on Madonna Lane and love his photos of everyday stuff I can all relate to [ or manage more thriftily..Ha Ha!]
Bullies come and go.
Maybe Robin will come back
Have i sucked up enough? Razzi gave me a compliment today so I'm all verklempt.
Bully, yes that is the word. I couldn't listen to this bully incite the mob and watch them attack other posters anymore. All I could envision was a mob, hell bent on vigilantism. No, I am not a fan of Octomom, but these forums should be informative. Instead this forum became hateful. Beware, she will be back. I have watched her many times. This is not the first time that she has been banned. She comes back as a mild mannered poster with a new moniker and when she feels that she has won you over, she turns into this succubus and the whole forum becomes negative. I don't know about you, but there is enough negativity in my life(health, economy, state of California). I don't need her diatribes.
Let's hope that the old posters will return. In the beginning, this site was a good time.
Thanks for the clarification, I am sorry to have read your meaning incorrectly. That is the problem with electronic communications, I guess. Things get taken out of context or misunderstood. When email first came out, I remember thinking it caused difficulties sometimes because it lacked a tone of voice (which later morphed into caps meaning yelling or escalated speech).
Cheers
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you are so right! Thanks for sharing that there are other participants of this board out there who are solely interested in reading what is up, not getting into battles over who is correct about their opinions on someone else's life.
Ha! my name IS Katy. You are the one signing in as Nadya S.
That is right. It stands for Nadya S#@T
One hour and 6 minutes. It was nice while it lasted.
The whole story is sad. I don't thinkt here is really much to report these days. Think about it. . .We all have birthdays. . . Many have tan marks. . .some people look good in new outfits, others don't. . .lots of people have delivery and service people come to their door.
We have heard so many lies and half truths from Nadya that I wonder what type of things she tells on a daily basis. Why would/should I believe much of what she would write in a book? Of course a TV show will be highly edited. . . so how acurate woudl that be?
What it all boils down to is these poor children. There is no way these babies can ond to one person with all the care they have been given. yes, they are thriving physically and the stronger ones will most likley survive emotionally, but what about the others? What about all the needs of Aiden? Yes, he is getting one on one care with teachers etc. But he needs the CONSISTENT DAILY one on one attention of his mom and a house that is void of chaos.
I'm sorry, buying toys and taking your kids on outings is not what gives a child the stability that they need to become a strong adult emotionally. I realize Nadya is most likely trying, but I think she is misguided in her attempts. I can only imagine what this household will be like in 5-10 years.
It takes a highly organized person with a lot of resources to pull off raising 14 children. I'm not sure if Nadya is this person. It takes more than a few 100ks/yr to raise a family this size.
I'm not spewing negativity, just stating how I feel.
Lise- sorry to hear you had a rough weekend. Was your move tougher than you thought?
Duggie- unless you know for SURE two posters are the same, it's best not to make such an accusation. It's not only possible, but likely that more than one person has extremely strong feelings in this matter (both for and against). You've seen from being a part of another board, that as older posters drop off , new ones come on board and the tenor of the board picks up again.
Now back to Octorazzi- any returned phone calls from Jeffy? Munoz? Radar? What's up with Harmony? Is NS REALLY complying with labor laws byhaving a studio nurse and teacher? Why did Jeffy request a continuance inthe hearing ?
I have more real questions for you to answer, but I don't want to overwhelm your journalistic sensibilities...
Octobabies are beautiful! And life goes on in Octohouse, even though Octomom says it's "HAUNTED"!
WHOOOOO, how scary for her!
naturegirl :0
Octorazzi has a big head to fill, he thinks he's all that!! LOL
Thank you 20/20 Vision, Cheyenne, GrandmaB, LTS, CA_Grlz, Lise, Sandy, Robin, I enjoyed everybody's comments, it was fun, but this site has gotten stale!!
See ya,
naturegirl :)
Dear Octorazzi,
Come on, California birth records are posted online. You can check them at Ancestry.com, among other places. Here is "Nadya's":
Natalie D Suleman 11 Jul 1975 Female Stanaiti (mother's maiden name).
This is not hard stuff! Any old run-of-the mill genealogy amateur can find it!
Researcher
So I am leaving too, anyone want to take me with him/her.
ADMIN NOTE: BUUH... Bye! But my prediction says: All ya'll... will..... be...... bbbaaaaahhhhhhkkkkk like you always do 'cause U ALL love to h8 octorazzi.... go a head and break up with me today, but i'll take you back tomorrow... lol...
WOW!!! Several comments have been deleted!?! Whats up with that????
I think it's called moderating the site. The badgering and disrespect here was getting old and embarrassing. IMO
For Octorazzi...
You said:
"U ALL love to h8 octorazzi"
Not all of us :) For me, you're still the "neighborhood news source" since I live a couple thousand miles away from Madonna Lane.
I think everyone is getting a little restless and frustrated right now because there really isn't much happening in the way of big news, and you haven't been able to find out much regarding the real situation with Jeff Czech, whether or not Victor Munoz really talked to the Mirror, etc. etc. etc. And, I'm pretty sure that everyone is interested in seeing what happens with the petition hearing, but that's still a few weeks away. So, just keep on bringin' the news... when there's news to bring, and know that those of us who are interested in following the story of America's "most unique" high-order multiples family will be here to read it.
I sat back and thought about a few things (yes, me! Thinking! Who'd'a thought?). I remember when I was just a little kid, and you could feel the tension in the house when things went wrong. That awful, heart in your stomach feeling, knowing something is wrong, and there's absolutely NOTHING you can do about it. The feeling boardering on fear, the feeling the world is going to end.
This is what those 6 beautiful Suleman children have to deal with, probably on a daily basis. They feel pushed aside, redundant, replaced.
How in the world can they possibly have a happy childhood? That horrid feeling in the pit of your stomach is hard enough to handle for a couple of hours. Imagine 5 months of it curdling your insides.
I'm surprised that the older 6 haven't lashed out *more* than they have. Life must be a scarey place for them, never knowing what is going to happen next, no structure, trying to get Mommy's attention and being ignored. I can not even imagine what those poor tykes are going through.
They are in a living hell, the only bright light, the Nannies that love and care for them, but from the Mother, nothing.
My heart bleeds for these children.
(as always, JMHO).
Octorazzi: Just wanted to let you know that some of us nonh8ters are still very interested in your news and hope you keep it coming. I for one appreciate the increased moderation of the site.
SusieQ; I appreciated the tone of your recent post. I agree that this has had to have been a very difficult time for the older six children. Part of this is due to the fact that there is not one new baby to compete for Mom's attention but eight. Then Mom and Grandma are doing a lot of fighting which the kids have to be noticing. Third is all the public attention and hoopla. The kids cannot be unaware of this on some level; especially when those first two babies came home.
I do have a different opinion in that I feel that Nadya is giving her older children love. Some of that love may be expressed in buying them things, but it appears to me that she also spends time with them and certainly takes them on outings. Recently, for whatever reasons she has kept a lower profile ,and possibly due to health reasons doesn't seem to have taken them out as much. Of course, she doesn't seem to have as many paps following her so the outings may not be noticed as much.
Many of us try to give our older children extra attention when we bring home a new baby and some of that attention takes the form of gifts. Lots of gifts are coming in for the new baby and we don't want to older ones to feel left out. In addition, these children, although they had many toys probably were'nt getting many new things for a long time because of lack of funds. Nadya may have been wanting as a loving mother to share some of the newfound wealth with her older children; thus the advent of the new babies might also mean the advent of new "things" for them.
SusieQ; I just reread your post and was struck by your perception and empathy in describing the feelings of impending doom the children may have been experiencing. I think you are quite right in that they were experiencing this with all that was happening around them.
I hope though that you are wrong and that Nadya was able to be there for them despite all the problems she herself is experiencing with not only the advent of eight more little lives to be responsible for but the unexpected public expression of hate toward her and her family. It must indeed be overwhelming for all of them.
As I've stated before I think some of this help Nadya has been recieving is in the form of a respite service that she likes to call nannies. I fear that some of this help will deminish as the children get older and aren't as dependent on having their needs taken care of.
Nadya needs to look down the road and plan for the future. She sees planning as money resources, which is fine, but organization and structure is what these children need more. I am sure there are plenty of large families raising their children on less than a few 100ks a year.
I hope none of these little ones have the problems that the older ones do. Truthfully the older boys seems on the wild side. I don't go for the kids will be kids attitude.
I guess time will tell.
I wonder if Ed has actually gone to Iraq.
Time will tell.
I fully agree that planning for structure in the lives of these children is just as important as planning for their financial support. They family has grown so large that they will not be able to function without a high degree of structure designed to meet the needs of all the members. This would also give the children a sense of security knowing that acting out would be curbed and aggression would not be tolerated. I do not mean that aggression needs to be addressed with physical punishment, but that it needs to be controlled and the reason for the acting out behavior explored. At this point this does not appear to be happening, but then we can't see behind the scenes except in RO staged videos which seem to be designed to create and then record chaos!
I wonder who does the daily things like make meals, dishes, and laundry? The children need to see Nadya in these roles too. I'n guessing with Nadya out and about allt he time, I see the nannies taking these roles inbetween the babaies sleeping. I hope they are made to feel a part of the family by helping with their own laundry, setting the table for meals, clearing the table etc.
LOL We had a large family and when I see the RO videos the house doesn't seem lived in, if you know what I mean. I just don't see these kids as neat freaks, nor Nadya; you'd think you'd see books lying around, shoes here and there, a sweather thrown over a chair.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall for 24 hours.
Yes, it would be fun to be a fly on the wall. I don't know if you ever watch the Duggars with their family of 18 children but their home usually appears to be pretty neat; I think this is probably because they have four or five older girls doing most of that work. All of their kids share in the chores and start at a very young age. I have a feeling it will get more difficult for them as the older girls marry & the boys are the teenagers. The next group of girls in that family are at the tail end and are babies and toddlers!
I too grew up in a large family and it was very poorly organized with a mother who was anything but a good housekeeper, but it tended to be a place the neighbor kids loved to come. I think they could feel the warmth and love in the house even if the dishes weren't always done and meals were served from pans on the stove.
I did realize there was a different way to live and we always had our meals around the table with no TV on, etc. I truly think that kids can grow up in a messy environment without the best parenting skills and still turn out productive citizens. I think it is dangerous to speculate that these children will grow to be juvenile delinqents lest we create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Children tend to become what we expect them to be , at least after a period of self - exploration.
True about the Duggars, but they also have a very large house and I don't think they have alot of material things such as trendy toys, extra clothes etc. I once saw where they ahd a clothign type room where all the clothes were organized by sizes and you went there to get your clothing.
I am not a neat housekeeper either, but we had structure and organization to our day. We also ate all our meals at the table- breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Going out to eat was a treat, not a regular occurance and the kids even at the age of Nadya's oldest helped in meal prep etc.
It is funny. . . I've seen kids with attentive, loving parents have difficulties in their teens years, and others who have been left to raise themselves with little guidance be productive, high achieving teens. Sometimes a difference in the children within the same family too.
Hopefully, Nadya will know when to yell for help if the time comes. It will start to get hard when she has several out and about being accountable for themselves and a bunch a young ones still at home.
"At this point this does not appear to be happening, but then we can't see behind the scenes except in RO staged videos which seem to be designed to create and then record chaos!"
Millie... do you *really* think these videos are staged and that RO designed these to *create* chaos and then record it? I don't think so. There were reports of other paps that said they believed that NS was using the children as "props". Not only the paps at the park said this, but also Allred and Angels in Waiting. These are stated by different sources! Both can't be lying or trying to set up NS.
In the videos I've seen, I haven't seen any structure by NS for the children. I've seen "melt-downs" and very little parenting. I feel the children are going to be left to raise themselves after the "nannies" have gone.
GrandmaB: You are probably right about the lack of organization which doesn't appear to be Nadya's strong suit.
IMO RO probably did set up those scenes & they were the same scenes the paps were observing. Without being that fly on the wall we are probably getting a skewed view of the situation. I really have no idea of Nadya's parenting skills & would not like to judge them by what RO decides to show us. I have watched other shows with HOM's and they all seem to have a lot of "chaos" to survive in those early years. I, personally would dread the thought of 8 teenagers at once and do hope that Nadya can either find it in herself or get the help to create structure.
Millie: How can RO stage chaos??? Did they NS and the kids to act a certain way and the family went along with it?
I think this is the "norm" for this family. There is no structure, nor discipline (from what I can see).
I have a dreadful feeling that these kids are in for a long, rocky road.
Millie-stop using the term h8rs . It's embarassing coming from someone your age and you supposed professional status.
There are 14 children suffering in that home, not just 6. No matter how you divide the time, it is not possible to meet all the physical and emotional needs. 3 that we know of have special needs; they require consitency, not chaos in their home. There is a higher than normal chance that some of the tups will also have special needs. It is imperetive for their continued development that those needs are identified early by trained and consistent caregivers and proper interventions taken.
Last week, an article appeared in the Enquirer quoting a family friend who supposedly witnessed one of the older boys chasing Angela with a knife and kicking Caleb in the head. During this event NS supposedly was to afraid to intervene, for fear of provoking him even more. IF this is true, this is a frightening sign of things to come. Is the child in therapy? If not, why not? This is not something that a child will grow out of, but rather, as they grow bigger and stronger, the outbursts will become even more intense.
Do I believe the story completely? Idon't know. Why wouldn't Angela try to get some help for the child? Is she afraid of NS, too? Did she try to get help and NS downplayed the incident, like the bites and bruises on Aiden, then shame on her. Did Angela and the friend make up the story for a few bucks? Wow, I'd hate to think you'd sell out your grandchild, but then shame on her.
What I do know is we have seen a house where children are acting out, biting, hiring, cursing. Some of it may be due to having 8 new siblings, some to having cameras following them. But in anycase, these are kids who are crying out for routines, structure and a parent who is present more for them than the cameras.
RAZZI... is there any way you can check out the Enquirer story with Angela? I'd like to know if she backs it up. If so, that child needs some help and needs it fast. Some of those babies could be in harm's way.
ADMIN NOTE: Been trying to find gradma for a few days now BUT I think she's gone to visit her sister in Sweden (sister recently, reportedly, had a stroke)... Don't worry, I'm on that like white on rice til I get some comment.
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RO has been a fly on the wall of that household for several months now. I assume they have gotten to know her pretty well. I get the feeling they care about the kids. I also get the feeling they despise Nadya. It is no mistake that the camera pans to the flat screen TVs, the mc mansion play house and the toy Escalade. It is no mistake the camera pans to one child hitting another child while Nadia obliviously babbles on...
Is that the whole picture? I don't know.
Does Nadya screen these videos before they are posted? If she does, does she think this portrayal is accurate? Or normal? She does exude a lot of personal confidence and claims to be very organized. Why would a confident, well organized person allow their family to be exploited in this way?
~~~~{{waves back to GrandmaB}
Katy, you've got to wonder what footage hasn't been shown. Frightening thought, IMO.
As for her supposed "octomentary", she can film anything she wants, but it will still be up to the producers and directors to piece things together. She will not have the control she seems to crave.
While we are at it, has she complied with the requests of GA and appointed a financial guardian for these children? Are there interests being protected or is she spending all of their money on "necessities"?
She and her "crack" legal team have delayed the hearing once. Any bets on how many more times they'll delay it? My bet is till ALL the money is gone!
Katy, I don't think RO allows NS to preview the videos. RO owns them. Yes, I agree with you, I don't think RO has a high opinion of NS and is showing it "like it is". I would love to see the footage that they *haven't* shown!
As far as her opinion on the clips, I think (IMHO) NS is delusional and narcassistic. I think she thinks people feel she is "wonderful and amazing." As a matter of fact, I recently read an article that had one of her friends stating that NS was surprised at the negativity because NS thought she would be viewed as a hero. This was an early interview (I'll have to look it up again).
Anyway, I think we will get a real wake-up call when her finances (and other things) are brought to the hearing on July 27th.
Tick tock....
Grlz / Razzi... My apologies up front...
but I was laughing so hard at the comment "CRACK" legal team.... again my apologies, but I can help it when I get a visual! LOL
Lulu, do you know if that respite care is a State or Federal program? I know California is cutting or eliminating a great deal of their social saftey net...What is Nadya going to do when (on a guess) half those Nannies will not be paid for (by the state?).
4 Nannies during the day, and 3 at night (including Nadya if I remember correctly) is not a very good ratio to begin with. I cannot imagine how she will handle LESS Nannies with 14 kids. If the respite service is via State, she stands to lose some of those Nannies.
What in the world is she going to do?
Things don't bode well...
"What in the world is she going to do?"
Hi Susie... well if NS had her head on straight, she would finally become a "mother"!
I live on the east coast and I am not sure if that type of respite care is state run or not, but in my profession, I know several children get services like this through the county.
One family in particular had very preemie triplets. They are developmentally fine , but do recieve some intervention. I know the mom recieved 50 hours of respite care, as well as had PT/OT people come out to work with the children through an early intervention program. They were to have their needs reassessed at one year. These services come to no cost to their family. Dad works full time, and mom left her work position when she saw what it would cost for day care, problems with taking off work for sickness/DR. appointments etc.
I know of another young teen who had a baby that was 1.6 lbs. and she recieved all kinds of assistance too. She has family workers come out to spend time with her and the baby. She comes from a supportive, educated family, but it is through the same type program.
I know of several children who are classified as ADHD and they recieve respite workers and cash allowwances to their families. Sadly I don't think these families need that assistance, but are working the system to get these freebies. Won't go there. . . .
So, I don't know, but I imagine Nadya is well versed in getting assisatnce regardless of what she says. I think she and her family work the system. I am assuming CA has similar type programs.