Ellen DeGeneres to John McCain: "Our love is the same..." [Updated]
Kudos to Ellen DeGeneres for having a conversation with John McCain about gay marriage on her show in a segment that airs today (check local listings).
McCain said in an interview taped Wednesday that same-sex couples should be allowed to enter into legal agreements for insurance and other purposes, but he opposes gay marriage and believes in "the unique status of marriage between and man and a woman."
No big surprise.
"And I know that we have a respectful disagreement on that issue," he told Ellen, who announced last week that she plans to marry Portia de Rossi now that gay marriage is legal in California.
Ellen needled the presumptive Republican presidential nominee on the issue, arguing that she and him aren't different: " I think that it is looked at and some people are saying the same that blacks and women did not have the right to vote. Women just got the right to vote in 1920. Blacks didn't have the right to vote till 1870. It just feels like there's this old way of thinking (that) we are not all the same.. We are all the same people, all of us. You're no different than I am. Our love is the same. When someone says, 'You can have a contract, and you'll still have insurance, and you'll get all that,' it sounds to me like saying, 'Well, you can sit there, you just can't sit there. It feels like we are not, you know, we aren't owed the same things and the same wording."
McCain replied that he's heard her "articulate that position in a very eloquent fashion. We just have a disagreement. And I, along with many, many others, wish you every happiness."
"So, you'll walk me down the aisle? Is that what you're saying?" Ellen joked, lightening the tone again.
Replied McCain: "Touche,"
Here is a clip:
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One wishes she had had asked Obama and Clinton the same questions and articulated her views to them. They, after all, share the same position as McCain on marriage. Although in fairness, Obama voted for the IL DOMA; Clinton never has voted for an anti-same-sex marriage law. And both Obama and Clinton now call for the repeal of DOMA. But, in then end, on the basic issue, they're not far off each other's mark.
He said –more or less- “I have a respectful disagreement with you. I think –with many many many others cause we are strong and you're just a tiny little minority- that –as you are an abnormal creature from nature- you can not marry, as we –the “normal by the law of whatever Abraham God I apply to believe- do.” (Sorry if it was too entwined).
That is not a respectful disagreement. Call it civilized. Call it educated. Call it even polite, as a far fetched concession. But you don’t respect –because you DON’T- someone to whom you are denying equality, to something you already have, just for being you. Remember that is not about forcing straight people to marry homosexuals, my gosh. It’s about letting gay people protect themselves with the very same rights as the rest of society. And with all the knowledge and support of academic science.
So, don’t talk about respect while you know you consider a gay less than a citizen. It’s just untrue. Plain and Simple.