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Pasadenans not happy about proposed speed limit increases

Sounds like the city is planning on increasing the speed limit by about 5 mph on 10 different streets in Pasadena, and that prospect has got some residents as riled up as a bunch of Linda Vistans with a park about to open up next door.

Here's the city's synopsis of staff's proposal, going up before the council at Monday night's meeting:

Speed Limits – State regulations that define the method for determining speed limits has changed.  As a result, new engineering and traffic surveys have been conducted on 50 street segments in Pasadena to determine whether the process by which existing speed limits were set meet state regulations.  The city council will consider approving proposed speed limit increases on Columbia between Orange and Fair Oaks (30 mph to 35), Glenarm between Pasadena Avenue and Arroyo Parkway (25 to 30), Hill Avenue between the northern city limit and Washington (30 to 35), Mountain Street between Hill Avenue and Altadena Drive (30 to 35), Pasadena Avenue between Walnut and California (35 to 40), Pasadena Avenue between California and the southern city limit (30 to 40), Riviera Drive between Sierra Madre Boulevard and Alegria Street (25 to 30), Villa between Altadena Drive and Eaton Drive (25 to 30), and Washington Boulevard east of Del Rey Avenue to Sierra Madre Boulevard (35 to 40); and will consider approving a proposed speed limit decrease on West Drive between Washington and Seco (40 to 35).

Well at least we won't hear any complaints coming from West Drive.

Interestingly enough, South Pasadena went through the exact same rigamarole last week, with staff recommending speed limit increases on a bunch of streets and residents crying foul over the whole issue. Apparently the "new state regulations defining methods for determining speed limits" are meant to avoid cities creating speed traps by posting lower limits on streets where the average vehicle speed is regularly higher.

But that logic does not jibe with the folks at the West Pasadena Residents Association, who put out a special e-mail over the weekend urging people to show up at Monday night's 6:30 p.m. meeting and tell the council to reject the limit increases. The association's argument is much the same as the one used in South Pasadena: If drivers are already exceeding the posted speed limit, increasing it will only prompt even faster driving.

From the association's e-mail:

Staff’s answer to drivers who break the speed limit is to raise the speed limit!  How much sense does that make? The WPRA strongly disagrees with this approach for safety and quality of life reasons.

Instead, the association is asking the city to control speeds by using "traffic calming methods and neighborhood protection tools, so that when it is time to measure the speeds for state requirements, the average speeds will match the posted speeds."

That was pretty much the recommendation of the city's Traffic Advisory Commission. Vince Farhat, the TAC's chair, forwarded me a copy of the letter the commission sent to the council urging it to reject staff's speed limit increase recommendations and instead adopt "traffic calming and safety measures" to keep speeds at the currently posted limits. 

"In effect, the revised speed limit proposal has yielded a list of nine street segments in Pasadena warranting the immediate implementation of traffic calming measures," the letter read.

We'll see if the council is swayed by the likely strong public showing against the speed limit increases on Monday night -- or the recommendations of its own advisory committee.


Comments

Here's a fun game. Watch the council meeting and every time you hear "safety" or "children" during public comments take a shot.
If every city committee had media and a neighborhood strategy to push city council on pet issues, it would be a bigger mess than it is now. Is someone from WPRA already campaigning for Madion's seat? I was at this committee meeting when the motion won on a split vote and the main worry was what would the media say if the committee voted to increase speed limits. I also learned that the cops are not enforcing speed limits on those streets and can't unless a limit is set. What the media should say is NO SPEED LIMITS ON PASADENA AVENUE AND NO POLICE EITHER. VROOM VROOM.
The council should not set speed limits at all. I was at the tac committee meeting and found out that the police can't enforce speed limits on those streets currently. Great! Let's keep it that way. No limits and no cops. Thanks Farhat.
I'm actually working on a Council drinking game and that's a great rule, anonymous.
It looks like another Federal Prosecutor wants Steve Madisons seat. Who may that be, Vince Farhat. He's the darling of the WPRA but he won't win the seat. We don't need another BUSY lawyer TRYING to represent only the wishes of the WPRA while ignoring the concerns of the other 90% of District 6. Keep an eye on Mark Mastromatteo or Tom Seifert.
It looks like another Federal Prosecutor wants Steve Madisons seat. Who may that be, Vince Farhat. He's the darling of the WPRA but he won't win the seat. We don't need another BUSY lawyer TRYING to represent only the wishes of the WPRA while ignoring the concerns of the other 90% of District 6. Keep an eye on Mark Mastromatteo or Tom Seifert.
It looks like another Federal Prosecutor wants Steve Madisons seat. Who may that be, Vince Farhat. He's the darling of the WPRA but he won't win the seat. We don't need another BUSY lawyer TRYING to represent only the wishes of the WPRA while ignoring the concerns of the other 90% of District 6. Keep an eye on Mark Mastromatteo or Tom Seifert.
This should have been an easy one for Farhat. Council has commisssions to do heavy lifting and to make their job easier. Speed limits are simple as you just set them according to state law, no policy and no politics allowed. But Farhat turned it into a political campaign with him in the center. Press contacts, neighborhood contacts, appeals to come to city council. Really the opposite of what the commissioners should be doing which is to quietly solve issues and let council have credit. Can you imagine if he ever gets to council? Whew.
Farhat should think twice before running for Madisons seat. He is better served working on various commissions. Besides, if he is as busy as Madison why even bother to consider him. If you don't have the time, don't bother. Many names have been bantered about. The least likely who also happens to be the wealthiest with the most time available will prevail.
Farhat should think twice before running for Madisons seat. He is better served working on various commissions. Besides, if he is as busy as Madison why even bother to consider him. If you don't have the time, don't bother. Many names have been bantered about. The least likely who also happens to be the wealthiest with the most time available will prevail.

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