SATURDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK

Kares shut down Minutemen

I'm not surprised that so many have disagreed with Rio Hondo's ability to play big. Frankly that has always played to their advantage. If they can get someone to take them up on a game perhaps this will get put to rest.
Please tell me you have seen a RHP game in the last 2 years before you say they don't have a single player that would play at these other schools--they do. Many of these kids have been playing tackle football since they were 7 and while they may be smaller in stature they do make it up in technique and saavy.
Perhaps what really sets RHP apart is their coaching. Sure there may be more knowledgeable coaches but with few exceptions (Rudaflores) you'll not find the continuity in coaching and style that is found at RHP

My last post was written with a little spite and I guess I came off a little arrogant and down right dumb.

Fred, that was my point exactly. My post was in reponse to a misinformed post stating that RHP was a Top 5 school in the Pasadena Star News. My qualm was ont that fact alone, I am not an expert in prep sports and cannot and should not speak for the whole area but I did have to chime back to a poster who kind of blew RHP out of proportion.

RHP/Maranatha/Pasadena Poly, not a Top 5 team in the Pasadena Star News. Not with the St. Francis', the Monrovias, the Muirs, the Arcadias, and the T.Cs still playing football in the West SGV.

As with the Prep League competing with the others, that is an animal I wish not to fight.

Yes prep did beat keppel in 03 who were still on a 20 somthing game losing streak. Come guy get real. And guys do you really think SG is that bad ask Fred he was there they are fine tuning things this is called pre-season is it not? The Matadors will be okay they are still following one of the best coaches in the area and are still lead by a returning 3000 yrd. passer. the mats will be fine.

SB,
You have averaged over 30 High School games a year for the past 33 years? WOW! Impressive. You're an even bigger junky than I.

>>>>" Fred J,
give it up with Kares. I will bet you that they can't beat a weak San Gabriel team this year or last year."

Purduealum, you obvoisly have not seen much HS football in this area. but I'd bet most years Rio Hondo, Flintride and/or Rio Hondo Prep would beat the likes of San Gabriel, Keepel, Mountain View, El Monte, South El Monte, South Pasadena, Blair and several other programs in a head to head competition. In fact, Flintridge easily and handily beat Keppel in 2003 in their house.

BTW, I have personally seen over 1000 HS football games in the last 33 years at all levels, Frosh, JV, Varsity, 6-man, 8-man, 11-man D-1 to D-13.

Arcadia, TC, Muir, St. Francis would of course beat RHP, no question. That is not the argument. Those are the best teams in the valley. But to see RHP go against the midrange competition is a better barometer of how well the program really is. They don't neet to go up against Amat to know how well they stack up because they don't. There is no argument there.

Give it a couple of years the Prep league will start to pick off much larger schools. It was nice to see Poly play Covina, one of the powers in the valley.

Thanks Fred.

BigMLover, Oaks Christian is a small school that recruits players. Let makes sure that is thrown out there as well. Fred J,
give it up with Kares. I will bet you that they can't beat a weak San Gabriel team this year or last year.

I talked to coach Drain recently and asked if he would consider scheduling one of the average public school teams, and he admitted he's been thinking about it. There is no doubt RHPrep could compete with upper-division public schools that have struggled or hover around .500. And he agreed that some schools are simply too big like the Arcadia's, Pasadena's, Muir's, Monrovia's, TC's, Etc. But lets give RHPrep its due. This is a great football school that has won many championships. Most of their players have known each other since they were 8, 9, and 10, playing in the Youth Kare League. By the time they reach RHPrep, they have been playing together for many years, which is why they're so fundamentally sound. Go watch them, they're a mistake-free machine, and play completely unselfishly

>>>>>if RHP were to play arcadia, monrovia or tc RHP would get there get their doors blown off, i even think that hoover would give them a good game... if you take RHP's best players to one of those three schools none of them would start"

Arcadia's enrollment is some 3300 and Rio Hondo Prep's enrollemnt is under 100 (coed).

Secondly, Rio Hondo has played Arcadia in summer basketball leagues and has beaten them.

Rio Hondo would give Arcadia a good game the first half, but the depth of Arcadia and the size of their players would wear on Rio Hondo and any of those smaller schools for they have many two way players and Arcadia would have fewer.

Mountain View, Keppel and Hoover (among others) would lose to those area Prep league teams. Flintridge Prep cleaned Keppel's clock in 2003. In fact, Prep league teams would beat most MVL team and some Almont teams, conssitantly.

I agree with Edward Jones.

if RHP were to play arcadia, monrovia or tc RHP would get there get their doors blown off, i even think that hoover would give them a good game... if you take RHP's best players to one of those three schools none of them would start

I believe so New York.

Frank P--take a pill man! Any high school kid that straps on a helmut, practices daily, and shows up to play is REAL. Why you would choose to ridicule players from smaller schools as not legitimate is shallow. While the small schools would most certainly have difficulty playing these larger schools it has a lot to do with the fact that most of the athletes have to go both ways.

I'm offended by your use of "real schools." By your same reasoning does that mean that the Occidental football team is not "real" as they can no longer compete with historical rivals USC and Stanford?

Give these athletes the credit they deserve. I know RHP and Poly have tried to schedule games with upper division local schools (La Salle, Blair, Duarte) and been refused. Why? Do you think if one of these schools lost to little Rio Hondo Prep (with only 48 boys in their high school) that they could ever recover?

I forgot about Bill Maloney leading the Titans to a championship back then. Was Nate Olsen on that team?

New York, as much as I hate to say this, San Marino won CIF in 1988.

No i am not on the Coaching staff New York

The one thing that everyone here fails to mention is that Rio Hondo Prep is not just a small school that puts athletics on the back burner. RHP knows the star athletes at a good number of these schools. They kids there grew up playing them day in and day out through childhood athletics. If you go down the roster of Arcadia, Monrovia, Temple City, you will find that many of these players know exactly who RHP is. To say that they are not a real school or don't have real athletics is silly. Again RHP is the most consistent Football program in the valley hands down. Regardless of division that is something that players have no control over.

And the knock on these schools playing 8 man. It was a struggle for 10 years plus to get CIF to move everyone up to higher divisions. There were countless petition, letters, etc. to get out of 8man football. Now that the prep league is in a more respectable division everyone can see that the gap between the bottom and top is getting smaller and smaller. D6-D12 there is little difference. So there is your education for you Frank P. Check up on these schools before you start knocking them.

PLEASE LETS NOT KID OURSELVES!!

Rio Hondo Prep, Flintridge Prep, Maranatha and Pasadena Poly are not and should not be considered in the same echelon as "real" schools. These are 100 student loner schools. Im tired of uneducated parents/fools trying to talk these teams like they didnt play EIGHT MAN football a few years ago. Please, end this discussion now please. To rank Flintridge/Rio Hondo in the top five in the Pasadena Star News converage would be an outrage and an outright shame. These schools obvioulsy do not place athletics very high on their list and they should be dealt with accordingly. Im not saying that all these programs are garbage but they should NEVER be compared to or let alone favored against these "real schools". It is a slap in the face to the coaches and players at these schools.

New York,

The answer to your question is that Pasadena Poly and Flintridge have been to the finals and each winning. Poly and Flintridge played each other in the D-XIII finals in 2003, RHP was the runner up in 2004 and won in 2005. Not bad for the Prep League.

First of all, isn't everybody on here anonymous?

Second, during the past ten years the Rio Hondo has been in divisions 9 and 10. On the surface that sounds week. However, the champions of those respective divisions have been Mira Costa, now a very strong D-3, Paso Robles Tnow D-4, Santa Monica, D-4, Lompoc, D-4, Crespi, D-3. Are teams from our area really suppose to beat those teams? Admittedly, Monrovia should have been 1-1 against Paso Robles, but stuff happens.

How deep in the playoffs has anybody other than RH Prep or the small schools been. Nobody has won it since 1986.

How is the Rio Hondo League tough? When was the last time a Rio Hondo League team made it to the semi-finals in CIF?

How do you expect to better by beating weaker teams? The 1997 South Pas was best team Smith has had and if he had that team playing the teams he is today..they would every game by 30 plus points! Smith should have higher goals than just making it to the playoffs. At least make a goal of winning a playoff games. Isn't the ultimate goal to win a championship?

In regards to South Pas. The non-league opponents have been pretty steady for the last decade maybe even more. We use to play Crescenta Valley every year, which back then was a good program, but that game was replaced by Bassett and now Keppel. I don't blame Coach Smith for sticking with this "softer" schedule. Good South Pas football teams have always come in waves,(97,03 or was it 02?,06). It's hard to schedule tough teams when your team is inconsistant in how competetive it is. Plus the Rio Hondo League use to to get 4 teams in the playoffs, my senior year we made it in with a record of 2-8. Depth wise for South Pas it's also smart not to play tougher opponents, because one injury effects the whole season, because we always only have a few special players. I'd rather us focus on a tough RH League with Monrovia, TC and La Canada. Coach Smith's goal is always to get into CIF.

FYI -

CalPreps ranking of our schools (followed by their rating):

1. St. Francis - 31.8
2. Pasadena - 25.9
3. Rio Hondo Prep - 20.2
3. Monrovia - 20.2
5. La Canada - 17.0
6. Temple City - 16.5
7. Cantwell Sacred Heart - 12.2
8. Arcadia - 10.6
9. Alhambra - 7.3
10. South Pasadena - 6.8

The ratings are designed to show margin of victory... if a team with a 20 rating played a team with a 15 rating, the 20-team would win by 5.

This website explains how the ratings are assigned: http://www.calpreps.com/ratings.htm

Interesting, objective list... if you're looking for it on the CalPreps site, go to the Freeman Ratings link at the bottom of the football page. When it loads, you'll need to reset the search to include all schools in CA only. I had to scroll through the rest of CA in order to compile this list.

In regards to having small schools (i.e. Maranatha and Rio Hondo) compete against the larger public schools like Arcadia/Alhambra we need to keep in mind a couple of things. 1st is that the talent pool these small schools are pulling from are typically around 100 males, whereas the larger schools get about 1,000 males to choose from. So it's not really fair to ask them to compete year in and year out against the larger schools simply based on overall talent and depth available. 2nd, while the smaller schools don't have the numbers larger schools do (small schools typically dress out 25 players for both JV/V, while larger schools double that) there are the rare times when the small schools still have a legitimate athlete that can play on any area team. For instance, Rio Hondo a couple of years ago had a guy named Landon Goodwill (6'2 215 RB/LB) who went to UTEP and was pound for pound one of the best athletes around. Maranatha this year has Kyle Delahooke (6'1 190 K/SS) who could play on any area team and will likely go D-1 for kicking. Just some thoughts to help us keep perspective while posting.

Spasdude,
You need to play and beat better teams in order to get respect. SP never plays decent teams in non-league(excluding Alhambra). I watched your games against SG, Hoover and Glendale and none of these teams looked good. By the way, be ready for San Marino, they were at your game last friday and talking were about how they're going to beat you guys. Good thing they can't even back-up 1/3 of the crap they talk.

p.s.-Good luck with Alhambra on friday.

Well, there are no other teams on this side of the Valley who can legally have select athletes enroll from outside the district. It's about time you guys play Amat. You have a good shot this year. Amat is rebuilding.

The tough schedule you point to:
Arcadia - good
CV - weak
Burroughs - new to the Pacific but a reject from the Foothill (you guys should schedule Hart, Valencia or Canyon Country)
Los Altos (strong D-6 team)
Saugus - bottom of the tough Foothill league
BISHOP AMAT - used to be great, has hit an all-time low, but probably still strong enough to make it a good game and have a shot at winning.
CRESPI - back-to-back d-10 champs...yeah I know, they beat up on Monrovia's rebuilding teams.
Alamany - bottom feeder
Chaminade - licking their chops now that Notre Dame has graduated to the level of the other elite Catholic Schools.
St. Paul - Bishop Amat's "rival."

Last Year's preseason schedule was not as tough.

Arcadia
CV
Burroughs
Pasadena
Saugus

St. Francis has consistently been a good D-III program. However, I don't ever see them beat teams that they are not supposed to beat. I hope they run the table. I really do. It would mean a lot for the West SGV to have a powerhouse in an upper division.

The point of my earlier email was that if SF really is an elite football program, that has access to recruiting, they should line up against AND defeat others like that: St. Bonaventure (Hart plays them)
Amat is a great start
Loyola next year sounds good (are you on the coaching staff at SF)

sf fan

if arcadia and st francis were to play tomorrow do you think SF will win. By the way the apaches are playing right now i dont think so. arcadia has too many weapons and the 1st game you beat them yes, but they were all inexperienced and nobody was working as a team they simply got out played and outcoached. Athletically arcadia in my opinion will kill st francis and im not an apache fan i just love HS football. Kris Robison in my opinion is the most exciting and explosive player in the area. Ponce is an amazing QB with a lot of potential and that RB core is strong. And the comment about walker not showing anything. . 8 catches for 109 and a td against a VERY GOOD monrovia team. . 7 catches 83 against bell gardens...hes a very good player and i was at the st francis game and he got behind your secondary A LOT of times but couldnt get the ball due to bad protection, qb being nervous, etc.
By the way Monrovia played friday night i have new appreciation for this team. They made a great comeback in the 2nd half and davis is a great player to watch. They should go through the league with ease.

sf fan

if arcadia and st francis were to play tomorrow do you think SF will win. By the way the apaches are playing right now i dont think so. arcadia has too many weapons and the 1st game you beat them yes, but they were all inexperienced and nobody was working as a team they simply got out played and outcoached. Athletically arcadia in my opinion will kill st francis and im not an apache fan i just love HS football. Kris Robison in my opinion is the most exciting and explosive player in the area. Ponce is an amazing QB with a lot of potential and that RB core is strong. And the comment about walker not showing anything. . 8 catches for 109 and a td against a VERY GOOD monrovia team. . 7 catches 83 against bell gardens...hes a very good player and i was at the st francis game and he got behind your secondary A LOT of times but couldnt get the ball due to bad protection, qb being nervous, etc.
By the way Monrovia played friday night i have new appreciation for this team. They made a great comeback in the 2nd half and davis is a great player to watch. They should go through the league with ease.

1. St. Francis
Big offensive line will lead the way. But, beating Burrs Burbank by only 3 is scary for the Pacific league.
2. Monrovia
One two punch, Davis & Sparks, and Potts (the cherry on top). If Brooks post up like a basketball player, then I don't think there is a player in the SGV that can cover him. He's very wide, with a great arm span.
3. Muir
Lance Mitchell is a receiver playing QB. Not the best arm in town, but gets the job done. Youngblood got 100 against a college team Oak Christian, not bad.
4. Arcadia
Nick Ponce has thrown over 500+ yards in the pass two games. He could be the best QB in SGV. Kris Robison has been impressive and Moreno is back. Hess returns soon. After the Mornovia game, I heard Arcadia moved around their defense to create a stronger defensive front that Monrovia completely exposed. Arcadia came back and beat a good & strong 2-0 Bell Gardens team, but they still have alot to prove.
5. Temple City
Although they are 3-0, they haven't played any tough teams to prepare for league. I believe Monrovia will destroy them. If they plan on being on top of the star news poll, then they have to remove their cupcake teams from their schedule.
6) Alhambra
Don't know much about them but I know that they can beat LC, if they played.
7) La Canada
Dude people, are you kidding me? Peterson is good but he runs threw people because LC plays teams with LB's that are 5'7 150. If they played SF, Arcadia or Muir, Peterson would not run crazy.

I cant bealieve anyone would say St. Francis has a bad schedule!
Week by Week
Arcadia
CV
Burroughs
Los Altos
Saugus
BISHOP AMAT
CRESPI
Alamany
Chaminade
St. Paul

New York i would love to see any other team in the area play that schedule and come out with a decent record. Next year they play Loyola and Notre Dame along with Los Altos. Also the comment about Arcadia is not true. Anyone that was at the St. Francis game all saw the passing and running game of Arcadia get shut down. Even with Hess in teh game. And that Walker guy has not shown me anything yet. I am glad he didnt go to SF.

New York,

Blair, in other other year, I'd say you are right, but after seeing TC and South Pas, knowing what Monrovia and LC are normally capable of doing, I really don't see Blair making the playoffs over those other, more consistant programs.

I'll see Monrovia next week and be able to ascertain how good they are this season.

When Blair travels to San Marino on the Oct 13, that will be a good game to see if Blair even has a chance playoff spot.

Alright guys, keep posting, I'm going to watch my beloved St. Louis Rams at Barney's Beanery. I'll be back later to update the comments...

arcadia absolutely embarrassed temple city in their scrimmage and basically beat themselves the 1st two games, but what they showed on thursday night is that once they are on point...they are a huge threat. . i also beleive that there is no secondary in the area that can stop arcadia's passing threat, nick ponce has a huge arsenal of receivers with the "real deal" kevan walker leading the bunch you also have explosive kris robison and once kevin hess gets healthy he'll be a huge factor at tight end, they also have #21 who is a sleeper and will hurt your defense also. . scary for d coordinators around the area

NY...

You can't put Arcadia on top on TC... TC is undefeated and their previous encounter was a practice scrimmage, not a game.

Don't overlook Blair as an RHL playoff contender.

I love that the RHL is doing so well this year.

How do rankings work? I thought Arcadia destroyed TC, right? Also, I dont allow the CIF polls to sway my vote.

#1 St. Francis
#2 Monrovia
#3 Muir
#4 Arcadia
#5 Temple City

Yeah, a small school with 13 Div. I prospects. If you have a chance to watch the OC-St. Bona game on a replay, do it. OC is unbeatable.
Speaking of the small schools, don't forget Pasadena Poly. Before the season, I picked them to knock off RH Prep, and I'm not wavering. The San Diego Parker team the Panthers lost to is very good. But then again, I thought Maranatha would beat RH Prep last year, and the Kares stomped them, 50-0.
Coach Drain and his staff can match wits with anyone.
And I'll tell you what BigM, I would love to see one of our better public schools take on the Kares. OC proved they could do it, maybe the Kares can do the same. The problem is, I don't think they're big enough. But I'd love to see them try.

Don't forget... Oaks Chrstn is a small school.

Teams like RH Prep have a culture of winning... that intagible is impossible to quantify. If they played one of the teams you mentioned at home... I wouldn't pick against them. A team like that FINDS a way to win.

Interesting Big M that you would put the RHPrep-Maranatha winner No. 5. That is a huge game, and we will give it the ink it deserves when the time comes. But honestly, do you think they could beat Arcadia, La Canada or Alhambra? I know what they're doing is impressive, but lets keep some perspective.

My list:

#5. Maranatha/Rio Hondo Prep
- I know that the small schools get little love... but you can't ignore the undefeated records or the numbers that these two teams are dropping on the scoreboard. Their game on Oct. 7th will be one of the best local match-ups of the year. The winner will have earned the number 5 spot.

#4 Muir
- I'm not impressed by the back-to-back wins versus the winless LA schools... but they have better talent than the other teams in the valley that have winning records against winless teams (i.e., So Pas, La Can, Blair, El Mon, Alhambra)

#3 Monrovia
- A loss is a loss. The Cats came up short on their home field... and spoiled their chance to retain the #2 spot. In their defense, WestCo is the East's #1 and if you asked them to a man, they would prefer NOT to play M-town again. Those that had a chance to watch that game know that Monrovia is poised to regain the league crown. To much speed... too much heart... to many weapons.

#2 Temple City
- Of the undefeated teams in the RHL, Temple City has had the toughest schedule... and two of their wins have come on the road. Broadnax and that O-line are no secret... but try to stop them. No one has yet. Two soft games remain on their non-league slate... they should continue their winning ways until their showdown with a-hopefully-7-and-1 Monrovia on Nov 3. What a game that will be!

#1 St. Francis
- Obviously...

Not from LC, never said I was

Nice stuff everyone. I'm torn on this week's top five.
St. Francis obviously stays at No. 1 after beating Burroughs to stay undefeated.
But who should be 2, 3, 4 and 5? I would love to have your input.
Do you drop Monrovia from No. 2 after a loss to West Covina? Should the Rams (No. 3) move past Monrovia after squeaking past San Gabriel? The Rams are the Mid-Valley's No. 1 remember.
Maybe Muir should move back up from No. 4 after defeating L.A. City schools in back-to-back weeks. Forget the Mustangs' season opening loss to Oaks Christian. OC dismantled the L.A. Times No. 1 St. Bonaventure just as easily, 59-13.
And how impressive is La Canada and Lavelle Peterson? You can argue Peterson is the area's best difference-maker.

hey coach, i'm not saying our schedule is great, but yours isn't either. Beating Gabrielino and whoelse, glendale, forgetaboutiiiiitttt

New York, check our schedule, we're playing Amat this year. And up until this season, we played Notre Dame every year. Our schedule has never been in question. We've been to the Div. III semifinals the past two years. Maybe if you weren't on the east coast, you would know what's going on. And sorry, didn't mean to bash monrovia. I hope they go all the way. But St. Francis IS the best team on the Westsideeeee

"I say the third spot is between us and La Canada" no disrespect son but your schedule is week and if it is between you and them I would take them because they will be more prepared from playing teams like Monarch, CV, and HWL.

Will or would? That last statement, F-ridge, makes your communication skills as poor as your football sense.M-town also beat our common opponent. Furthermore, for a program that tries to act so elite, why don't you guys ever beat Notre Dame. Hey, every team can LOSE to a tough team. Do you guys play any other upper division catholic schools pre-season? Amat? Damien?

On a different note, good luck to Coach Bonds and the real St. Francis program this week aganst LA. Bring one home to the West.

F-ridge, you're a joke.

I don't see anyone stopping Lavelle Peterson in the Rio Hondo League. Davis is great, but Peterson runs through people. As long as they don't wear him out on defense, he'll run for 200 a game, easssyyyyyy

St. Francis will blow everyone away. Look at who they're playing, it's a completely different level. Maybe if they stomped Monrovia like they did Arcadia, you would all see the truth

Everyone is talking about Monrovia and Temple City, but don't forget South Pasadena. We're not the same old Tigers. It's great there are so many good teams in the Rio Hondo, but it sucks only three are going top playoffs. I say the third spot is between us and La Canada

Congrats, Dan, and the rest of the classy WestCo supporters.

It sounds like your team put together a game winning drive in the final minute against a very stingy 'Cats defense. If you guys take care of business day-to-day, I think you have another promising 11 weeks ahead.

Looks like WestCo is legite. Wish I could have made it.

Bruin...

Isn't there an SG-bashing thread somewhere else? Go back... please.

What happend to SG this week. Can anybody say overrated? Not just the Quarterback but everyone on that pathetic team. Does the QB lead the area in pick's now or what? Like i said before SG wins one game in league and that is against their rival MK, by one td. It's nice to see karma take into effect though. Star news please stop giving this team any kind of ink. There are much better teams that deserve the time from you guys. P.S. No more front page pictures of SG and their horrible uniforms PLEASE!

St. Francis by two TDs... time for a little Westside payback.

Anyone know the status of Alhambra running back Anthony Brown, heard he dislocated his elbow, wondering how long he's out?
Broadnax also limped off late in the fourth quarter and didn't return, but coach Mike Mooney said it was just a mild sprain. He should be fine.
Now that Monrovia showed the West can take on the best the East San Gabriel Valley has to offer, an even better game is looming next Friday when Star-News No. 1 ST. FRANCIS goes to LOS ALTOS, who might skip past West Covina in the Trib Poll after victories over South Hills and Damien...
Who do you like in that matchup??

Monrovia has struggled in seasons past trying to find an offensive identity... that's no longer the case. Last night's raucous, 2nd-half comeback showed us the face of the Cats offense... RB James Davis.

On a night that featured the #1 ranked team from the East SGV vs. the #2 team from the West, Davis poured it on the top-ranked defense from WCo. It was obvious to anyone in attendance last night that Davis was the fastest, most polished athlete on the field. Davis lived up to the hype that preceded Wallace. Wallace, who had a very good 2nd quarter, was rendered ineffective, both on offense and defense, until the last completed pass of the game.

Davis has excelled against above-average defenses. His 189 yds followed a 168yd-2TD showing against Pacific-hopeful Arcadia. As good as Broadnax and Peterson look, they haven't done it against anything but the dregs of the valley.

Now, about the game... the Cats can't spot a team as good as WCo 19pts, and expect to win. Their comeback was impeccable... but, as valiant as it was, it still goes down as a loss.

That said, the Rio Hondo (which looks like the class of the new Mid-Valley division) is going to be a chore for the eventual champion... I'm pleased that the Cats have scheduled tough non-league opponents to prepare themselves. Their 3-1 record is hard-earned... and more impressive than the favorable records valley teams have posted versus soft schedules.

Next up, La Salle... Cats won't get caught looking past this one.

Great Game in Monrovia, BigMlover, Newyork, & all the Monrovia fans, I just want to say you have a good team over there in M -town. James Davis is top notch & you guy's came out on fire in the second half.
West Co.was fortunate to win this one tonight. Don't know what happened to the Bulldogs in the second half, but I'm glad they finally remembered how to play in the last 50 seconds after you scored your go ahead TD. There is definatly some work that has to be done at West Co this next coming week. Good luck with the rest of your season.

Monrovia played GREAT tonight!

pasadena star news poll.. vote David Potts for best QB. That kid has alot of potential!

The whole "JV" West Ranch topic displays ignorance. New schools HAVE to play somebody. In reality new schools these days do very well in areas of growth. Orange County has several new schools (Tesoro, Northwood, Beckman). There is a new school in Santa Maria (don't know the name) that is doing very well. The fact that PHS is playing a school like this also means that they will play them for at least one more year. Contacts are generally set up as home and home agreements. The PHS/WRHS could become a very tough game. West Ranch is in the Santa Clarita Valley and could grow very quickly. Who are they supposed to play? A sophomore team? Then you would accuse them of being "bullies." It is not like PHS isn't anybody.

This is a great start for the Rio Hondo. We have a strong record against the Pacific League this year as well.

I thought Burroughs and Burbank were the doormats of the Foothill League, which is why they got cut. Also not sure why they are ranked so high in CIF.

When was the last time the Rio Hondo Legue started 13-3...

New York..Burroughs is joining the Pacific League along with Burbank after competing for years in the Foothill League against the likes of Hart, Valencia and those boys...They're also ranked No. 3 in the Central Division, ahead of Muir, which I think is fifth or sixth..

How/Why is Burroughs the Pacific League favorite?

Lets keep it real this way, PHS beat Harvard-Westlake, and Harvard-Westlake barely lost to Pacific League favorite Burroughs, 35-31...
Give the Dawgs a chance, we'll see what happens when they open with Arcadia next week

fred, that is not the same thing ! the schools west ranch played and beat have never been good and when phs played dominguez both teams had seniors on the team !! so, tell me a team in the pacific league that scheduled a game with a school with no seniors on the team . that is not going to make your team better. and do you know how many kids left PHS football team this year ? to play for other schools !!! you better talk to some parents. some of them were starters ! i just wish people would keep it real. fred, you are doing a great job though it is just boring when football season is over.

That "JV" team had already beaten two varsity teams prior to facing PHS...But it's interesting why you would have no respect for their coach for playing a lower divisional team. Other schools do it all the time. And if I remember, two weeks ago that same coach took his team to Dominguez, and played one of the toughest teams in the southern section and state...

fred robledo , i want you and every one to know that the PHS football team played a JV west ranch team last nite. they have no seniors on the football team. how can you be happy about beating a new school with no experience or seniors !!! they cant even play in their league until next year because they have no seniors ! so, what does that tell you ? i have no respect 4 a coach that would lower his self to play a JV team to get a win.

La Canada's Lavelle Peterson broke 2 school records in a 40-0 rout of Gabrielino. He rushed for 340 yards and five touchdowns -- both school records. Rumor is if they left him in, he could have gone for 400.

Pasadena High quarterback Tyron Crockom was sensational too, throwing for 386 yards and five touchdowns in a 42-20 victory....