SOFTBALL: Arcadia, Monrovia still perfect in league while Temple City cracks Division V top ten, and Gabrielino rises to No. 4 ranking in Star-News poll

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Didn't FSH pitcher play for the Sliderz last summer? They went to Nationals...Did she play? How'd she do?

Look at what the record says, SP started out 3-5. Since then they have been 10-4. (All four losses by one run in the last inning.) If nothing else they are exciting.

They have given themselves a chance to finish strong. We will see today if they can do it.

It is all about how you finish, right?

Monrovia is still the best team in the league no matter what happens, they have already won that battle.

SP is basically a .500 team - despite all the crowing about the pitcher/catcher combo (which is not as good as our and SP will find out this week again) and the coach.

... and your point is???

Just to note while South Pas has had 5 one run losses - they have also had a lot of close wins by 2 or 1 runs: Segerstrom, Brea, Temple City, Poly LB, Poly Pas, El Rancho and San Marino - so their overall record is appropriate.

Giving names without the commentary is great.

Katie Mcwhirter

Tonilyn Beaston SS LaSalle
Samantha Rogers P Monrovia
cassie gogreve

Krissy Mihm

looking at just the player who does everyone think should get all cif player of the year..????? Remember don't look at the ranking's just the player.

good call

By the lack of information with respect to the Alverno situation, you get the sense that it may have been some serious infraction. I heard that there was a CIF investigation going on (but that is just rumor) so you're not going to hear anything until that is done. I hope it's not anything serious. Even if it is only involving one player, all players are effected if there ends up being some sort of CIF sanction. Coach Russo seems to be a good coach (and also a good guy) and the kids I know are good kids. I sincerely hope it is nothing and the team is able to go on and pursue their CIF championship this season.

My suggestion is let the process happen and let's not speculate on what could be nothing.

These teams tend to have respect for each other, if you notice most of the comments are made with a sense of respect its just a few that don't get it.

I wonder what will happen thursday night when all is said and done.. what will all these parents talk about then.??? I hope who ever wins will just show alittle class and the same goes for the team that doesn't... Let it go....

Still, No one can tell us what happened in the Alverno forfeit?

Can you imagine these parents arguing this in the stands before a game? They wouldn't, because their kids would tell them shut up.

Anonymous @ 1:14 PM,

Was that Grady Little when he was with the Red Sox in the 2003 ALCS?

Anon 2:35,
How do you know - we have the pitcher and cather combo in the league by far so anything can happen especially if the others step up like they can.

trgfn,
There is no chance SP wins out this week - if they get a split it will be cause for celebration.

Again, Coach of the Year is not necessarily awarded to the Coach of the team with the best finishing record.

The Coach of the Year designation goes to the Coach who has made the biggest difference to their team. Randy Medina, Mike Williams, and Bob Ellingsworth are all three very good coaches, however, take away Medina and Williams, Monrovia and South Pas. respectively still have very good teams and would have very good results (not to mention Ben Mihm and Jack Gogreve are tremendous coaching advantages at Mon. and SP) ... take away Ellingsworth, TC doesn't have anywhere near the same result.

Ellingsworth, gets my vote hands-down!

If SP wins out this week, they are in 2nd place. If they don't they are not, simple deal.

Let someone else figure out Blah, blah of the year.

Top to bottom South Pas has the tird best team in the division, Monrovia the best and TC second. Is it any wonder that that is how they will finish up?

I agree with the loquacious SP guy. SP has the best pitcher and catcher and since that such a hugggggggge advantage and sine SP is going to finish 3rd and Monrovia is going to finish first then Coach of the year is clearly Medina - Meow

Tell me if this sounds like the coach of the year:

You have a 2 - 0 lead for 6.5 innings against your #1 league rival. Your opposition is up at bat in the bottom of the 7th inning. They have 2 outs and their #9 batter is up with an 0 - 2 count. The 3rd pitch is a fat pitch over the middle of the plate and the batter gets a hit. Then 3 batters later with the score tied in the same inning. Runners on 2nd and 3rd, still 2 outs, and the best batter on the opposition is up with 1st base open. You decide to pitch to that batter!?!? What happens, that batter hits in the walk-off game winning run!

Two pretty clear cut coaching mistakes!

Not the coach that I would vote for as my area coach of the year.

I would never use MaxPreps stats to make any judgement, one-way-or-the-other.

Also, the number of tough hit balls that the TC Shortstop gets to is significantly more than the tough hit balls that other Shortstops get to and given that these are fielded balls, if the play isn't made, it is technically an error. The other shortstops never get to that ball, therefore it is not fielded, therefore it's not considered an error. Anyone that has a knowledge of the game understands this fact, not to mention the gross inaccuracies that are pretty typical in MaxPreps. The only thing more grossly miscounted on MaxPreps than errors, is earned runs!

It is really not fair to judge Mike by the nonsense that is put forth by well intentioned - but misguided and unintentionally mean spirted fellow tigers on this blog. (Of which 80% is inaccurate and no way reflects how others at SP feel about competing schools - I don't really get where it come from but I have an idea - please others in the RHL and PL just ignor). Anyway back to Mike. He has one outstanding player and one very good pitcher - who will likely be the best pitcher next year in the area - she isn't this year - if she continues her progression and a bunch of up and coming younger players who will get better over the years as they continue to play (many will be all stars - they aren't now) and AGE does matter - DUH! So what Coach Williams has accomplish this year with such a young team should be recoginzed. If he wins out and that is a big if and finishes in second he should be awarded coach of the year. No one will have done more with less.

anon10:23 aka chkyrslf...where do you find the time???

Anon 9:47,
You have got to be kidding! - SP fans (aka Bullies of the Blog), so now that you want to make the coach of the year argument youth matters after all that ripping and outting down of the younger teams you beat (and didn't)- how do you do that with a straight face. Nice try - you can't have it both ways - Randy Medina is the coach of the year - over and out.

I think that whoever is pushing so hard for Bob is hurting, not helping his cause.

I hope that whoever gets the coaches award, that it is not awarded until CIF is over, so that a true assesment is available.

It is all about how you finish.

Take a look at Maxpreps and see how many errors TC has made compared to SP and Monrovia.

TC -44 SP -28 Mon-27.

Not that it matters that much but just to clear up the facts of the last statement about errors

Oh yeah one other thing, seldom do you see the TC team make true physical errors on the field, but moreover and even more seldom, do they make mental errors. A huge sign of excellent coaching.

Anyone who is truly unbiased recognizes Bob Ellingsworth as the area coach of the year!!!

I disagree that SP is a less talented team and "youth" is only an issue to the uninformed ... experience is the key and SP is a team with experience. Beyond the experience, SP has the best pitcher and catcher in the RHL (agruably of the best in the broad area) and the supporting cast has come on as the season has progressed. But just that pitcher and catcher gives the SP team a hugggggggggge advantage.

Ellingsworth has artfully coached TC around the team's pitching deficits. Their hitting is spotty but he has maximized the low hit production with timely hitting, appropriate bunting/slapping, and very effective base running and literally coached his team to victories over broader talented teams. He has very effectively taught his kids the basic technical skills of the game and over the season those skills have been applied and further developed into advanced skills which has generated wins against so called better teams. Moreover, he has developed a team culture of "can do" with his players ... he has gotten his kids to believe in themselves and play fearless, no matter who their opponent. The one element that I think TC has exceled in from the beginning of the season is defensive fielding, however, it takes a great coach to turn that into as winning a team as TC has turned out to be.

On top of all that, Coach Ellingsworth always gives his kids all of the credit. He truly does this "for the kids" and that statement is not just a punchline as it is to some other coaches. Truth be told, if Bob Ellingsworth were not the coach of the TC High School softball team, there is no way they would have had as great a season.

Bob Ellingsworth, Randy Medina, and Mike Williams are all very good coaches ... and I wish anyone of them were the coach of my daughter's high school team. But Bob Ellingsworth is a very committed coach to his team and he has provided the greatest level of effective coaching over the entire area this season, not just in the RHL.

Bob, thank you for setting an example that all the others should follow and aspire and congratulations to the TC players for giving it your all and maximizing your results.

Everybody has young players - quit making excuses for SP - it really gets old - Coach of the year is our Ellingswoth - SP has lost more game than than should have won than anyone by far and have kept mid-level teams around all year - check the scoreboard.

I agree with the SPHSGFAN Williams is not getting the credit he deserves - because of one or two exceptional players - expectations were way too high for SP this year - Coach Williams has done an excellent job with a very inexperienced team and deserves credit for getting them this far - personally I would be happy with a split this week.

Before you go giving the Coach of the year honors to Ellingsworth. Let's see how this week works out. I predict we beat both Monrovia and TC to finish solidly in second place and if so Coach Williams should be coach of the year. He has no where near the talent that Monrovia or TC has and his team is much younger with key positions being filled with sophmores and freshman - who have gone through growing pains.

I believe someone was only talking about D1 colleges. There are many options for girls who want to keep playing after High School.Some girls even start out at a 2 year and then transfer. Where there is a will there is a way..

Yes, but I don't think it is important to focus on the ones having problems, because these are all kids growing up to be people in the world. If they want to keep playing ball, they will find a way, and good for them.

That's correct, A college won't take the chance on any one who might not be able to cut it. I know that is why some of these players may not be getting the offers, some are having a hard time staying on the high school team. ouch but true..

there are so few scholarships to give the coaches can't risk them on someone who might not cut it academically in college.

The days of the stupid jock athlete who's at college on a "full ride" have been over for a long time. Academic grades are extremely important to the D1 college softball coach who's recruiting players. Also, good citizenship is extremely important to D1 coaches.

Show me a athletically high performing senior without a scholarship offer at this point, I'd bet that is also a high school senior who has substandard grades and/or there are identified character issues. Their softball accomplishments are meaningless to the D1 softball coach who's offering scholarships.

Moreover, being a good citizen and a good student is most important overall ... for those who are gifted enough to earn a college softball scholarship ... in 4 years softball is over and it's the citizenship and academics that really matters for a lifetime.

Also, good grades and citizenship are extremely important to the coaches of the true elite level 18U-Gold travel ball teams. They not only want the softball players that qualify with respect to their athletic skills ... but they also only want the players with good grades and display character. Those elite teams have an elite reputation with the D1 college coaches and they won't sacrafic that reputation.

Question /
I can't remember when the paper comes out with cif players of the year and how does that work..?????

Regardless of what happens this week, Bob Ellingsworth is the coach of the year!

TCRTough and LR,

There is still one week of play left and TC still has SP to deal with. IF SP can pull it off this week, then they are clearly the hottest team in the area and you have to rethink the statements you made. But if they can't pull it off, I agree with you about TC and Bob Ellingsworth or Medina should be coach of the year.

Remember it is all about how you finish.

It is also very difficult for kids who are not pitchers and catchers to get full rides. Alot of players get a partial ride from softball and get the rest paid for with academic scholarships. College teams have only 11 scholarships to give away and they often split them up to get more players on the roster. But quality pitchers and catchers usually get full rides. That is one reason why Gogreve is getting the full ride and the rest, I believe, are partials.

Hitting against pitchers on the 18 Gold level is another thing that will make the scholarship a full ride.

And next year the grades and test scores get even more difficult to get through the NCAA clearing house - so keep the grades up.

when thinking about going travel make sure you really check out the team, if it's 18U gold they should be at the major tournaments out of state. It's so different then High School and grades matter. I don't care how good you are....colleges are getting harder on sports and grades etc..make sure your girls are taking the right classes for D1 colleges, and the better 18u help you with watching your grades and making sure you are on top of things. The level of play is so different from High school ...you would never see a score of 17-0 ......

someone wrote earlier that Arcadia had 2 girls that signed as of this week only 1 gibbs......

High School softball matters, but it doesn't matter as far as being recruited for Division 1 college softball. College recruiting is being done from travel ball, in particular, 18U-Gold level travel ball. Again, travel ball isn't for everyone and the teams out there vary greatly in their demands. But assuming your daughter is younger, I'd start by look at the postings on eteamz.com.

http://eteamz.active.com/fastpitch/announcements/state.cfm/California/

I believe a kid should play softball in their local Rec. League through 8th grade for the pure fun of it and then depending on the softball maturity of the kid, they can start playing on some appropriate level of travel ball concurrently in 7th or 8th grade. Summer Rec. All-stars is significantly less competitive than travel ball at the 14U level and even now at the 12U level and it is unlikely that a kid will be able to make the jump from Rec. League All-stars to true travel ball if they haven’t done it by 14 years old. However, many kids aren’t ready for true travel ball softball at the 12U level. You want to find the right team that matches the ability and emotional levels of the player. From the eteamz posting call some coaches and go to some open workouts to get a feel for the team.

If a kid hasn’t started playing some form of travel ball by 14 or 15, it will be difficult to develop the necessary skills to play on a “true” 16U travel team. Also, many of the players who have the potential to be elite players who are Division 1 college prospects are making the jump to 18U-Gold at 15 and 16 years old, however, these players have typically played at least 2 years of “true” travel ball at the 14U and 16U levels.

Another bit of advice, once you've made the break to travel ball, you want to get away from Dad/Mom coached teams as quickly as possible, as are found in Rec. Leagues and summer Rec. League All-stars. For "true" travel ball it is far and away better for parents to be parents, and let the coaches (without personal agendas) be coaches.

Then there are the “elite” 18U-Gold teams, like Orange County Batbusters, typically you don’t find them, they find you.

It seems like it really doesn't matter where you daughter plays in HS as long as they are on one of the elite travel teams - is that correct? How young can they start? How do you sign up?

As for the immediate area 2007 High School graduates who have softball scholarships, the ones I can think of off hand are:

• Katie McWhirter of Monrovia H.S. is University of California, Santa Barbara
• Krissy Mihm of Monrovia H.S. is going to California State University, Northridge
• Shelby Gibbs of Arcadia H.S. is going to Santa Clara University
• Cassie Gogreve of South Pasadena H.S. is going to University of South Carolina
• Kathryn Poet of Flintridge Sacred Heart Academy, I don’t believe it has been officially announced but I hear it’s a school in the top 20 in the national poll

Also, both Santa Barbara and Northridge are in the Big West Conference and are Division I softball schools, as are Santa Clara, and South Carolina. All are Division 1 softball schools. In fact, South Carolina is in the very competitive Southeastern Conference (SEC), and I believe in the top 25 in the national polls. Both #1 (Tennessee) and #2 (Alabama) in the country are in the SEC.

For a more complete listing of where the 2007’s are going, here is a link:

http://sssoftball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=605235

Incidentally, all of these kids are 18U-Gold players

• Katie McWhirter, So Cal Filly's
• Krissy Mihm, So Cal Sliderz
• Shelby Gibbs, California Rage
• Cassie Gogreve, Orange County Batbusters
• Kathryn Poet, So Cal Sliderz

None of these kids were recruited off of their high school teams. Seldom will a Division 1 softball coach even speak with their high school coaches. It is extremely unusual for Division 1 scholarships to be awarded to other than 18U-Gold player and the recruiting is done at the 18U-Gold tournaments. Typically, for the higher level softball Division 1 schools, the scholarship offers are presented to the kids in the fall of their Junior year in High School. At the latest, the Division 1 scholarships are offered by the fall of their Senior year in High School.

Yes, that is even the case for Alessandra Giampaolo at the University of Michigan and also her older sister Jennifer Giampaolo who was a scholarship softball player at the University of Notre Dame. They were 18U-Gold players with the California Cruisers, and Orange Country Batbusters. No doubt Poly had a dramatic effect on preparing them for life, but the fact is their High School softball experience had very little to do with their softball scholarships. They were prepared for this high level of softball through 18U-Gold travel ball and if the hadn’t played on these elite travel ball teams they wouldn’t have been recruited for softball by these high level schools.

If a kid is interested in playing Division 1 softball at a PAC-10 school, example: UCLA or Arizona, they not only need to be 18U-Gold travel ball players, but they need to play 18U-Gold on one of the “elite” 18U-Gold teams like the Orange Country Batbusters and the Worth Firecrackers. These 2 teams in particular are close to being the main feeding grounds for future UCLA and Arizona players, as well as many other top level Division 1 softball programs in the country. Go see these kids play and watch their coaches and you’ll see why.

In the prep league CIF divison - does the prep league champ Mayfiled have a real shot of going all the way or are the schools that they will be playing are much bigger?

Is Alverno at risk of forfeiting other league games - if so - how many? Is there a chance they miss the playoff or don't win their 8th straight league title?

Agree I think TC has put to bed once and for all the coach of the year issue - Ellingsworth is the ONLY choice that makes sense. He has made the most with the least talent and isn't that what coaching is about?

Has anyone noticed that Temple City has become the best team in the area? They just beat Monrovia to move solidy into second place they will go farther than any team in the area in CIF. While other teams do all the talking we just keep winning and peaking at the right time.

ALverno will lose in either the first or second round of the playoffs. Their record is not reflective of the team - very weak league.

I think Arcadia has 2 girls getting full rides.

How many team from the RHL will get into the playoffs?

I'm so happy for all those girls..how great ...I did hear shelby gibbbs from Arcadia signed with Santa Clara. hopefully we will be able to follow them and wish them all the best.

These are two guys from Poly and SP who forgot that they were on a public forum and do not mind making their school look bad. They do not represent the general character of either school.

Let it go.

my daughter plays for Mayfield

Krissy Mihm (Monrovia) is playing at Cal State Northridge

Katie McWhirter (Monrovia) is playing at Cal State Santa Barbara

But I believe Cassie Gogreve (South Pas) is the only local player to get a full ride to a D1 school, University of South Carolina.

my daughter played for laSalle but I still haven't heard if anyone knows what happened at Alverno.?????

my daughter played for maranatha.not poly

yes she is great I saw her play ....but I meant this year..lol that was good. 1 for you..

Gee Anon 6:27 and Anon 4:58 are the same guy - what a surprise - not.

Alessandra Giampaolo University of Michagan
Academic All American
Graduated from Poly

Does any one else know of any girls that have signed with a college for softball?????? I only know of shelby gibbs from Arcadia which I read here.

I don't think there is one Poly (or Prep league) parent, student or coach who actually cares about any team, player or coach in the RHL - no one and that is the truth. They (if they are connected to the prep league) are just egging you on for fun only. They honestly don't care about the RHL.

Honestly I think the Poly parents aren't even a Poly parents - just guys trying to get a rise out of some over the top RHL parents - it is very easy to get us started - just check out the thread between SP (why is it always SP) and LC.

I sort of like Poly not taking any bunk from the high and mighty RHL - nice to see Poly with some backbone and actually they are quite humorous and clever and mostly right - I see nothing embarrassing - keep it up.

I agree let it go and get on a different subject..I've only heard of 1 full ride to a college out of all the leagues...it's not life or death

Yes and that goes for the RHL parents too!

Guys,
We are talking about girls softball right? I understand caring a little. But it is girls softball - exactly who is going pro?

Poly parents:

Take a deep breath and get off of this blog for awhile. You are embarrassing yourself, your kids and your school.

If you have to ask - nevermind - I get the issue now - it is clear to me now - I should have known it earlier - my bad.

I really would like to be a fly on the bleachers at a poly game and a SP game, It sounds like there are 2 very unhappy people...and I'm sure the rest of the parents could care less and are just happy to see thier daughters have a great game.....
AGAIN DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH ALVERNO....???????

RHL dad (aka Anon 4:58), why are you so obsessed with Poly? It is a little scary and weird.

What wrong with a GED?

It there aren't major and minor sports why don't tennis, cross country, girls water polo, badmiton and golf have blogs sites - keep you PC for people who fall for that nonsense.

Private school parent,
There is not one girl on the Poly teams that plays more than two sports - let alone 3 and a club team -try again SP guy.

Anon 4:58 - I guess a 7-5 loss to SP (a top RHL team) is getting beat badly - you never disappoint. Thanks for the amusement - you really are the best entertainment. Also thanks for proving that Westridge (33% more) and Mayfield (2x more) girls than Poly - you are really the best in proving the points being made by the Poly fans - did you graduate from HS or was it a GED.

If Poly only has 180 girls, every one of their parents must be on this blog.

Poly dad:

You state that Westridge and Mayfield have 3 times as many girls in their high schools – that’s false. I just checked their respective websites - Poly has about 180 girls, Westridge about 260 and Mayfield about 300. In fact, all the Prep league schools are about the same size (160-300 girls), with the exception of Rio Hondo Prep which, if I got this right on their website, has only about 40 girls in the entire high school – now that’s amazing.

As for the how many titles can be won my different schools in the same sport(????????), I guess since I was looking over the past three years the answer is…..three.

As for your condescending comments about “major” and “minor” sports, I’m sure the girl athletes at Poly that play the “minor” sports will be glad to hear that as far as you’re concerned at Poly “no one cares.” Finally, Poly’s not the only school in the area where academics take precedent over sports so please don’t use that as an excuse for Poly’s lack of success in girls’ sports.

At the Prep league level, Poly had been successful (i.e. won titles) in one “major” sport and no “minor” sports, and now even with softball the other teams have caught up – it “dominates” no one. And don’t think Poly could beat the top RHL teams. The top RHL teams would beat Poly badly in softball and every other “major” and “minor” sport.

anon

your wrong about kids being able to play more than one sport at a time. my daughter played volleyball, basketball, and softball while playing club volleyball. ( non travel but top level) and still had a 4.2 gpa. so it can be done and has been done. p.s. she was a starter in all three sports

Softball is similar to baseball in the sense that it is a sport that requires a great amount of smarts along with an outstanding physical ability. Like in baseball you have an interesting mix of athletes all with the ability to play the complex game. How many young kids in baseball and softball have you seen who were pretty good athletes but were unable to play because they never got the game. That doesn't happen as much in the other sports mentioned.

So if you qualify athletes as people who use their brains you would have to qualify softball players as some of the best athletes.

I should also add that the people who pick the photos have sometimes shown kids with bad form, but I think you have to know good form to present it.

Fred,
Do we know what happened with Alverno?

Anonymous2:14…you wrote “their best girl athletes alway play softball and volleyball.” You’re kidding right? I have nothing against girls that play softball but to classify softball players as the “best athletes” is laughable….have you seen some of the softball pictures that are posted here? I know of girls that play soccer and softball that gain weight and get out of shape during softball season. I hate to interject logic, but wouldn’t the basketball and soccer players probably be the best athletes?

This is a cryout from one SP parent to the rest. Please do not get caught up in this crap! We are going to CIF and need to stay humble and focused. Please no claims of greatness. Just show up and support your kids no matter what happens. Let the other schools talk about themselves, please.

How can any kid at any school play two sports in the same season? Most kids play different sports in different seasons, even at Poly.

Hey Anon 10:25 you forgot badmiton!

Just to note because of the academics at Poly students are only allowed to play in one sport per season - that combined with the small school size means Poly is never going to be strong the in the peripheral girls sports like tennis, swimming, water polo and cross country - their best girl athletes alway play softball and volleyball. And the girls who are actually good in basketball play club volleyball and are not allowed to play basketball and the girls who are good in soccer play tournament softball or volleyball and aren't allowed to play soccer. Academic comes first at that school. Consequently Poly will be good in volleyball and softball and no so much in basketball and soccer and no where in the lower profile sports. Nothing is going to change that - and if they have a couple of key injuries as they did in 05 in Volleyball - they will feel it more than the bigger schools. Please let's not have any more discussion on this - it is really silly.

Anon 10:25,
Are you kidding me you are throwing in swimming, track, cross country, tennis where Poly barely fields a team and sometimes doesn't (by the way you forgot golf and tiddly winks)and they are up against Westridge and Mayfield that have 3x the amount of girls. How many titles can be won by different schools in the same sport??????? In the 4 major sports (the only ones that Max Preps even tracks) Poly dominates one and has been second in 2 of the last three years - that is pretty good for a school its size. Your agument is a little bit like UCLA having more National Championships than SC - what is failed to mentioned is that it is in sports that no one cares about except baksetball. So keep double counting those girls water polo and cross country league championships - as it seems to make you really proud - we will stick with the major girls sports.

south pass
06-07 05-06
catcher- v starter
pitcher- v starter
1st - v outfield starter
2nd - jv inf. starter
3rd - v 3rd starter
ss - freshman
lft - v #2 pitcher sub
cent. - v sub
rt - did not play- 2 years ago jv
subs - 2 freshman
I leave this list only because it seems to be a issue with you guys.Its high school, you play with what you have, and you try to get better as the year goes on. Keep in mind before you respond to this blog,or any other.The kids do read this.After all it is just a game.
thanks

I guess I don’t know what qualifies as the four “major” team sports, but from what I’ve seen over the past several years Chadwick, Flintridge Prep, Westridge and Mayfield all have more successful Prep league girls sports programs than Poly. As I recollect, Chadwick won team league titles in soccer (including two CIF titles), volleyball, cross country (including CIF titles), and tennis. Flintridge Prep won team titles in basketball (including the CIF finals this year), cross country (including CIF titles) and track. Westridge won team titles in basketball, swimming, water polo, track and volleyball (including a CIF title). Mayfield won team titles in tennis and swimming (including CIF). The only Prep league schools that have won fewer team titles than Poly in the last few years are Webb and Rio Hondo Prep. According to MaxPreps, in the seven team Prep league, Poly sandwiched a 6th place finish in between those two 2nd place finishes in volleyball, finished 4th this past year in soccer, and 6th, 4th and 4th over the past three years in basketball. These results clearly show that at this time Poly does not have a strong girls athletic program.

I thought I would check out the softball blog (I have no daughters) I had no idea that girls sports was so brutal!!!!

Just in case no one noticed, La Salle beat Bishop Amat this week. Not bad for having a rebuilding team and a freshman and sophomore pitching combo shutting down one of the better offenses any local team has faced all year.

Anon 10:42,
Yes I bet the fathers and mothers of all the kids in the prep league deep down really wish their kids could play in the RHL - I can't imagine why they pay the $20K a year to avoid it. You make the the dumbest arguments and have the least class of anyone who has ever posted on this blog. But now you have shown you are not only lack a certain amount of mental appitude but what a big man you are by picking on specific girls. I don't really mind you demonstrating your stupidity and envy every time you post - in fact I find it entertaining in an Archie Bunker/stage mother way - but please try and drag yourself out of the gutter and not pick on specific girls (read kids who are 14) who are not on your daughter's team (SP?).

I can tell you there is not one player on any Prep,Poly, Westridge or Mayfield team who cares at all about any team in the RHL.

SP is the best team in the area and you will see it in the playoffs - they have lost more one run game then anyone else - played harder teams - they have the best pitcher and by far the best catcher and the two best freshman in the RHL. BTW, the 7-5 victory over Poly was just a bad day on our part - if we played them now it would not go beyond 5 innings.

Yes - I guess - two prep league title in softball in the last 2 years and 2 second place finishes in Volleyball in the last three - out the 4 major team sports is weak your are right - exactly who is stronger in the prep league?

My daughters play on the Prep teams and I can tell you they don't even know what the Rio Hondo League is.

By the way this is two people arguing about nothing. Nobody I know from TC, Poly, or SP would take the "my girls are better than yours" argument this far. Show some class and talk about something interesting. Remember when you talk on this stuff you may be looked at representing your team or league which you really do not.

Anon 10:22,

My comment were clearly regarding was regarding the girls’ sports program at Poly, so why are you talking about the league titles Poly’s boys have won in football, basketball and baseball? Poly’s girls’ sports programs have won only two titles in the weak Prep league in last three years. Including all 9 sports girls play each season that is 2 for 24, and in a week or so it will be 2 for 27. Needless to say, they have won a CIF title in a while. I stand by my comment that it is a reality that today girls’ sports at Poly are weak.

OK Mr " I guarantee you"

Why are you still whinning at 12:40 in the morning?
and how do you know what the Poly girls know and don't know? Daddy?

Sounds like you are throwing in the towel. Please go away. The blog read "YOU" wish they could compete with RHL.

For the rest: How does TC coach look as Coach of the year now? Why no article about their 1-0 victory over Monrovia? OK OK game was pretty much meaningless but for some bragging rights. but still deserved something.

What's the story with Alverno?

Anonymous 10:42 pm,

Re: "Oh I'm sure the girls are trying and you wish they could compete with the RHL."

I guarantee you the girls at Poly do not care about the Rio Hondo League. In fact, if you polled them, most would not be able to tell you which teams even played in the league. Trust me, it is only important to former bench warmer Little League dads living vicariously through their softball daughters.

Enough with the "I hate Poly" b.s. already. Does your school not have a RHL foe you could bag on.

Anon 10:22
I agree with you that poly has a solid program and I believe that all the local leagues will see big changes next year. Look at La Salle....WOW they go up in division and lose their number 1 pitcher ouch...at least they are building. Arcadia put all their eggs in one basket and now it will take them years to re group and will have to do it with a new coach. Monrovia will lose some great players but they too like poly and laSalle have been building and have great players coming up.

Poly/Dad errrr....I mean Anon 12:57

Come on already... I thought we heard ENOUGH of the lame excuses. Everytime you spout off it's another reason why your team LOST....Too this, Too much that, Too young, too much homework, too many errors, tough test the next day, we don't have any pitching, we were in this game or that game UNTIL we got blown out for (FILL-IN-THE-BLANK) reason...Just when we think you've used them all you come up with another...ENOUGH!

The team is not very good. Oh I'm sure the girls are trying and you wish they could compete with the RHL. But how soon you forget: You got beat-up by LaSalle, Maranantha and FSH!

Let's face it:You don't have any pitching, very limited O and sloppy defense.You don't have to go to Private school to figure out this does not add up to a good team.

We could give you 3 good pitchers and you'd come up with another excuse why you can't win any games outside of your weak league. Perhaps we will have to wait till next year? I'm just curious what your EXCUSES will be then? For the record there have been several Freshman that have done very well in the Prep league yet this seems like a recurring theme in your excuse file?

By the way wasn't CHADWICK the name of the butler on the Fresh Prince?

Anon 2:22,
Ah let's see Poly is only good in girls softball in the prep league, REALLY - do you want to stick with that? REALLY - let's see this year Poly won the Prep League in football, basketball and baseball - second in volleyball this year (with 3 freshmen) - still a shot at first in softball (with 8 freshman). Last year - first in girls softball, first in baseball, first in basketball and second in football. Year before first in girls softball, second in volleyball and first in baseball and second in football. I may not be exactly right - but close enough to say of the major team sports in the prep league Poly gets more than its fair share. Of the 4 major girls team sports they dominate one and have ranked higher on average in the prep league than anyone else. That is the reality.

good question

Why is there so much talk about Poly and SP, they both have good teams and they both are building.
Did any one hear what really happened with Alverno?

Poly boosters have been living off the past glory of its girls athletics program. Poly has not had strong girls athletics for several years now. Even in the weak Prep league, I don't think they have won a league title in any sport other than softball for a long time. That school has great academics but weak girls sports. It's OK, but it's a reality.

Someone should take a look at Maxpreps and the Pasadena Star News box scores and see that although LC did beat SP in the beginning of the season and LC's pitcher had an excellent game, it was not a no hitter. SP had 4 recorded hits. It was a rumor from the start.

By the way, SP has beaten LC twice since 13-3 and 11-0.

One thing that I do know is that all of these kids are doing their best and want the best for their teams.

Anonymous 12:16,

If thats the case...You are not saying much for South Pasadena....My personal opinion is that they are a solid team.

Oh and please stop your whining and sniveling it's very unattractive.

Part of South Pasadena's problem for most of the year in softball is that they played at the level of some of the teams they played against. Good, bad and in between, so it is hard to judge people against them. They let some weaker teams stick around too long and some they just stomped. South Pas is a very strong team that was inconsistent early and Poly is building and always has a bright future with the quality of students and families that are in their community.

By the way this sight is no fun when things get too personal, lets slow it down.

I don't get why SP parents/fans are so bitter is it because they are not competitive in any Sport except girls softball - and even their they are a third place team. What is it abot the area that make them so jealous of LC, SM and Poly. I am unfamiliar with the history.

Anon 12:41,
I love it when someone as dumb with a misplaced ego as you walks right into a punch. THANK YOU for making my point with the score tie 5-5 in the 5th SP had to bring in their best pitcher (maybe the best in the area) to hold off an upset and SP got 2 unearned runs when two freshman made 2 freshman errors to win the game. My point Mr. IQ 50 was that there is minor difference between the best RHL teams and the best prep teams (even if they are playing 8 freshmen) except for the prep teams being ONE pitcher away from being as good as the top RHL teams. By the didn't SP get no hit by a 1-9 LC team. Poly would not get no hit by LC. If Poly had the SP pitcher they would have easily beaten SP - even with the outstanding catcher they have. So again thanks for making my point - please don't respond and embarrass you self again.

Anon 11:57

My guess all these Poly excuse blogs are from the same guy.. you...Mr Anonymous/Poly Dad...right? Let me guess your daughter pitches Or she's a girl that swings with her eyes closed? ....Am I close?

We didn't even bother to start our Ace but you forgot to mention that. You got all your runs off of our backup pitcher who has an ERA over 9! Parada struck out 6 of the 12 she faced! What, did you get one baserunner off of her?

Do us all a favor and like they said: Go Away!

anon 12:07

How would she know that with her eyes closed?

Sounds like yet another excuse! As Anon 12:16 said: GO AWAY!

Hey Poly

Go spend some more of Daddy's money and quit wasting our time by your self serving excuse riddled blogs! the team has fallen a lonnnnng way since the days you had a decent pitcher. Theres always NEXT year, right? (not if you don't get any new recruits...)

You have maybe two girls that would have made a RHL team this year! (Hanel and Richard-craven) Your "best" pithers aren't very good and teams are drooling to get a whack at them next year!

Your coach apparently figured that out and thats why he has promoted Tanner to No. 1.

Now go away!

ANon 10:45,
The player was almost hit by the pitch.

Anon 11:57,
Just like in baseball the top Prep league teams are one pitcher away from being as good as any team in the area - if it can happen in baseball - as it has this year it can also and has happen in softball.
In checking the box score 8 freshmen got in the 2 run loss game against SP - not bad as SP is one of the top 3 teams in the area even if their record doesn't show it.

chkyrslf,

If my recollection serves me right, that little Prep league school with 200 girls enrolled (Poly) gave a school with 4 times the amount of girls enrolled (South Pasadena) a damn good run for their money. What was it 5-5 after 5 innings? Before South Pasadena scored 2 runs to squeak out a win. (A good source advises there were at least seven freshmen on the field for Poly towards the later part of the game) Don't kid yourself, the Prep League is not as far off as you would expect us to believe.

What were the circumstances of Alverno's forfiet?

Bob Ellingsworth should be commended for how TC handles its pitching.

Have you noticed that all of the games between TC, Mon, and SP have been relatively low scoring but highly competetive. That is how the game is supposed to be played.

Should be another very interesting week.

Don't be silly PP, your logic doesn't apply here. Look at the top 10, both here and in the CIF polls.

Temple City 1, Monrovia 0..hmmmm, if Monrovia can't score runs against mediocre pitching, how are they going to win a cif championship?

Alverno Has forfeit Tuesday's narrow victory over San Gabriel Mission High School for using Inelegible players. CIF offices are investigating further actions.

Anonymous4:40PM...it seems difficult for those who don’t realize the good old days of area public school glory are over to accept the fact that even some of the smallest private school programs have surpassed them.

Anonymous 10:45 am,

Another Prep League hater whose kid more than likely applied to Westridge, Flintridge Prep, Rio Hondo Prep or Poly and did not get in. Don't hate the players dude, hate the game.

According to the CIF, seven and eight team leagues get four entries.

Perhaps since the fourth place team was under .500 it didn't get in last year?

Thanks for the Poly photo on 5-3-07...

I think you helped figure out the Prep league's problem... The batters have their EYES CLOSED!

Actually, no Prep league teams were in the Wild Card games. There were three total in CIF last year.

Last year there were three teams from the Prep League who made it to CIF, according to The CIF website, and all three lost in the first round by a total score of 33-3. What makes you think that there will be four this year?

There may have been a fouth team that played in a wild card game to get into the playoffs, but only the winners of that game get on the CIF playoff website and enter the playoffs.

here is the html:

http://www.cifss.org/playoffs/Softball.htm

Four teams will be taken from the Prep League.

How many teams will be taken from the prep league team in the playoffs.

Westridge 13 Poly 5

SP and LaSalle split a double header.

LaSalle won 1-0
SP won 4-0

just for the record, La Salle did BEAT an RHL team which was South Pasadena

It appears that a lot of these Anonymous posts attacking the 'Area Top 10' are bitter RHL teams whose standings have dropped.

Poly has beaten Westridge once this season. They play again today.

TC moves into the D5 top 10 and you put Gabrielino ahead of them.

Please focus.

Westridge lost to FSH 0-2 this year . Poly has beaten Westridge both times they played them - last time 9-2.
The Poly loss in 2006 was 20-3 (not 21-3) with game at 6-3 going into the last inning. 12 unearned runs were given up in the last inning - it was the duarte tourney. I am wondering if Poly had all their players or was it like this years duarte tourney where Poly didn't field a full team due to academic issues. There is simply no way FSH was that much better than Poly last year and could beat FSH this year in a rebuilding year for Poly. Poly did not pitch their senior pitcher in the last inning when all those 14 runs were scored.

Gabrielino wasn't awarded anything! Again, the ranking mean nothing and are simply a way to give notice to a broad spectrum of area teams and sell newspapers. What matters are the wins and losses and ultimately what happens in CIF playoffs.

"Alverno, winning and winning easy"... maybe they should play a real team.

Nice job again Fred, rewarding a team like Gabrielino for beating the worst teams in the area and not challenging themselves one iota.

2007: FSH 14 - Mayfield 1
2006: FSH 21 - Poly 3
2005: FSH 11 - Poly 0

HAs FSH played any prep league teams this or last season? What were the results?

Alverno wants pictures posted like the 2 most competitive teams in the area?

Alverno has a very good pitcher, however, they seldom play decent competition and they don't challenge themselves. They had an early season split with Sacred Heart and I heard that the Sacred Heart ace was ill and didn't play the game that Alverno won.

Alverno had the opportunity recently to challange themselves with a scheduled doubleheader vs. South Pas. and many were looking forward to this match-up. Alverno recently cancelled this pre-scheduled doubleheader as the date approached(should be deemed forfiets) and would not reschedule.

Hard to really view Alverno as a top competitive program (even with their very good pitcher) given that they predominently play very poor competition and they avoid playing a team (like South Pas.) which would possibly distinguish them as one of the competitive area programs.

Anonymous, we had a writer at today's Alverno-Mission game. Finding a competitive game to cover for Alverno is difficult, because there league is so weak. We also have to balance the reader interest between small schools, and large public schools.

enough debate as to how bad the prep league is... why does FSH get a free pass when they are 2-4 in league and losers of 7 out of their last 9?

Fred,

Thanks for the reply. There is an Arcadia connection . Perhaps you could ask the Gibbs?

You do a good job of the games you do cover. Would like to see a more balanced approach however. Agreed that top teams deserve more but not basically all. If you are going by wins and losses then why not more of Alverno?

The Pas. Poly and Flint. Prep. softball teams were pretty good in 2005. Flint. Prep. had a standout pitcher that season who carried that entire team beyond the Prep League in 2005. Certainly not the situation currently.

But living in the present ... the current reality is that the Prep League is not as competitive as other area leagues ... not even remotely close. When a Prep League team plays a team from one of these other area leagues it is typically a slotter against the Prep League team.

In watching a game between 2 of the top Prep League teams as compared to watching a game between any (top or not) of the Pacific, Mission, or RH League teams ... well, there is no comparison. The quality of softball play is significantly higher in these much more competitive leagues.

The hard facts also bare this out and that it is why it's hard for some to swallow the revolving door appearances from week-to-week of Prep League teams in the so called "top 10" softball rankings.

One other note, Poly never "ruled area sofball" as previously stated ... they ruled Prep League softball ... which is a very different thing.

Fred- you are doing a great job and you are right to give top billing to the top 2 teams.

Anonymous, I don't have any connection to Arcadia, and if someone else does, either a grandpa or great uncle, I'm not aware of it....
To answer your question about the photos, we don't run photo galleries of every game that's assigned. It's up to the photographer and how much time he has. And of the top ten, we have had a photographer for games that included Monrovia, South Pasadena, Temple City, Arcadia, Alverno and Keppel. There are other teams not on top ten we've had a photographer at too like La Canada, Pasadena Poly, Rosemead, etc. And to your point about last year's Arcadia game, only one photographer and myself were there. There was only one story on the game, not two. How do these things get so blown out of proportion, and why do people track this like we or I have some hidden agenda. It's ridiculous. and if you're wondering why there are more photos of Monrovia and Arcadia it's because they're the top two teams and we should cover them the most.

Fred J (1:57)

You assign "2-3 writers" per day in the playoffs and both articles and all photos were on/of Arcadia? What, did you assign 2 writers and a photographer for the Arcadia game alone? Why only articles on Arcadia? And they played in OC and LOST!

While we are on the subject why so many Arcadia and Monrovia photos?

Take a look ... 75% of all photos (paper and web site)are either Arcadia or Monrovia..?

There are 8 other top 10 teams!

Fred:

Are you telling us that (aside from your cousin previuosly coaching soccer) no one's grandpa/greatuncle/etc on this Arcadia softball team is connected to the Star-News?

Please check before responding! Thank you

Fred...you're right. Even though Fprep made it to the CIF finals in 2005 Poly did win the Prep League (11-1) and Prep was second with a 9-3 league record. Both Poly-Prep games were won by Poly. Fprep defeated San Marino (RHL) in the first round of the playoffs.

That's right, Schachtner at Flint Prep never beat Poly. I have to check, but I think Poly has won 22 to 23 prep league titles in a row..

I probably have my "anon's" confused but putting down the Prep League to make yourself feel better about the RHL is an analogy that can't be backed up with facts.

That's funny, someone related at Arcadia? Former soccer coach Shelby Greep is my cousin, but she no longer teaches or coaches there. I have a lot of family around the area, even a few cousins who graduated at Monrovia so don't play that card. We cover teams that are successful, as simple as that. As far as the playoffs, we have two to three writers scheduled a day during the postseason, so some games get covered, others don't.

Anon 12:53 - how do you respond to pasadenapreps callling out the RHL?

Arcadia is a complete team. Solid everywhere and it is interesting that Burroughs defeated Oaks Christian a couple of weeks ago. If Arcadia gets some help from other teams in the playoffs, they could win it all.

A pasadenapreps I was being sacastic - might want to read the last phrase to get it. anyway yor response still works except it should be aimed at Anon 12:53. By the way if you put Parada as the pitcher on Poly they are in the top 3 teams in the SGV area even with 8 Freshman THIS YEAR.

softball is a very athletic and riveting sport to follow. I am so glad that people are beginning to recognize it as a sport that has athleticism and yes, femininity. People who say otherwise are just ignorant.
Signed,
K. D. Lang

Parada is a good pitcher.

Is someone at Arcadia softball
(grandpa uncle?)
somehow related/aquainted with some big shot at the Starnews? That's what I had heard...

If so, I guess you gotta do what you gotta do!

Seriously though, you're right, Fred. Doesn't Parada have the lowest ERA in the area?

Anon 11:03AM….regarding the part of your spew that stated “there is no way in any sport that a prep league team can beat a team in any of the other divisions.” We’re you high when you wrote that or are you really that ignorant? On the girl’s side, the prep league is far more successful than the Rio Hondo League in recent years. The last Rio Hondo League girl’s team to make it to the CIF finals (Monrovia Soccer 2005) got beat in the finals by guess who???? A prep League team! And unfortunately for the Rio Hondo League, it won’t see the Prep League in the soccer finals again because the Prep League is now in D3 while the powerful RHL still languishes in D4. Maybe Volleyball is different? Oops, no different there…while the Prep League’s Westridge was winning the CIF last year I think the RHL schools were thinking about next year.

Check your facts before you make sweeping statements with no basis in fact.

Fair enough : good pitching usually beats good teams and I do agree with Arcadia as local #1 but it's no big secret that Arcadia is a "darling" of the paper!

Take a look at last years playoffs... 4 or 5 local teams played the same day Arcadia got knocked off. But there we have not one butTWO PHOTOS of that Arcadia loss and, If I recall, at least 2 articles about the loss which was played in OC ?

And very little coverage if any for the rest of the local playoff teams? For which many were played locally...

Ouch! That hurts. Sort of.

Arcadia, like Monrovia, struggles to score runs against other good teams with solid pitching, and scores a lot of runs against teams with limited pitching. If anyone has a right to complain about run support, it's Parada at South Pas.

Fred,
I was being sarcastic to those who say prep league teams should not be in the top 10. I really think Poly is better even with their young team - But the good new is they get to prove it on the field - the top 3 team play each other with the one who wins those games wins the league. Did Prep not even beat Poly when they had Schacthner as a pitcher?

I'd take Monrovia's D and/or TC's anyday.

OK making some defensive plays is one thing but what about SOME offense outside their Ace pitcher?

Does winning the Prep League this year really mean anything?

Yes, they have had good teams in the past (ie: Good pitching equals Good team) but let's keep it real and not share the wealth where it is not deserved!

Does anyone see any Prep team beating a D5 playoff team anywhere? Heck, has any Prep team beaten anyone outside of that weak league this year?

A rebuilding La Salle team?...NOPE, got killed

A struggling Maranatha?...NOPE Got killed (twice)

An 8-8 FSH? Got smashed...

Heaven forbid they play a team in RHL. La Canada and/or San Marino would take them all to the woodshed! You remember what that Mayfield/San Marino pitcher did to that league as a Freshman but is struggling in RHL as a Junior! Lets keep the Chadwicks and Webb's coming!

You couldn't be more wrong about Arcadia. That is probably the best defensive team in the area. They beat Crescenta and Monrovia because their fielders made plays behind Rodriguez.

Is Arcadia a one-girl team?

Outside of Jenna has anyone stepped up in big games? Throw out their Muir and PHS stats and without their stud pitcher who is also carrying the team offensively the team is average at best. Gibbs has had a so-so year. Grimes is hot and cold...

If anyone can carry them through D3 it's Rodriguez but that will be a tall task if she has to continue to do it on her own...

What are you talking about anonymous. For a long time,\ Pasadena Poly ruled the area in softball. The Prep League is down this year, but give Mayfield credit. They could be the first team besides Poly to win the Prep League in over two decades.

How can Mayfiled be in the top 10 - there is no way in any sport that a prep league team can beat a team in any of the other divisions - especially baseball.