Any soccer freaks out there?

I got this e-mail a few weeks ago:

Ftbol de Primera is pleased to inform you that you have been chosen as part of an elite group of sports journalists to vote for the best player on the U.S. Men’s National Soccer Team in 2008.

In 2007, 203 journalists voted Landon Donovan as the winner of the Honda Player of the Year Award for a record fourth time, awarding him with 413 points. Tim Howard was the runner-up with 122 points and Carlos Bocanegra finished third with 105 points.

Created in 1991 by Ftbol de Primera, the Honda Player of the Year Award is now in its 18th year. Voters include print, radio, television and internet journalists from across the nation.

Not bad for a kid who grew up in da hood.

Some background … I covered high school boys soccer at The Orange County Register for four years.

Eight months later, I started covering Chivas USA and Major League Soccer and went on to also cover numerous soccer tournaments including SuperLiga, the Gold Cup, World Cup qualifiers and international friendlies as the soccer beat reporter.

I was never a soccer fan growing up. But when I started covering high school boys soccer I truly fell in love with the sport and the passion. I really got into soccer because I was promoted to cover pro soccer and I really wanted to kick butt by breaking stories, which I did many times. Covering high school and pro soccer was my beat for a long time before I was promoted to cover the Lakers and Angels.

Come high school soccer season I’ll be out on the pitch covering boys and girls soccer, a first for me. St. Francis boys soccer without a doubt is the soccer powerhouse in the San Gabriel Valley along with Damien in La Verne and La Habra, too. But those schools are Tribune and Whittier schools so who cares about them until the playoffs. La Habra plays in Division II so they won’t meet the Golden Knights or the Spartans. The Highlanders, however, are the two-time defending champs in Division II

As some of you know, the U.S. Soccer Federation started an academy which I personally think will fail in a few years after players realize they get more exposure playing for their high school teams. I predicted this when the academy was first announced. More on that when the season gets underway.

I’ve been voting and attending the U.S. Soccer Player of the Year awards banquet and U.S. Soccer symposium the last four years. This year I voted Landon Donovan first, Tim Howard second and Clint Dempsey third, respectively. Dempsey and Donovan both were cool guys to cover. Never met Howard but he seems like a good guy.

Well, enough futbol. Back to football.

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Prep Scene: Honorees, rankings and statistics

High school honorees, rankings and statistics compiled by Miguel A. Melendez


Dietrich Riley
St. Francis
Running Back

Favorite hobby: Playing sports
Favorite musical artist: Lil’ Wayne
Favorite movie: Friday Night Lights
Favorite athlete: Adrian Peterson
Favorite food: Italian food
Accomplishments: The junior running back rushed for 213 yards on 22 carries and scored three touchdowns to lead the top-ranked Golden Knights to a 27-13 victory over Crescenta Valley last week.

Brittnie Muoz
Cross Country

Favorite hobby: Listening to music
Favorite musical artist: Gwen Stefani
Favorite movie: “Corky Romano”
Favorite athlete: David Beckham
Favorite food: Ice cream
Favorite television show: “Heroes”
Accomplishments: The junior won Arroyo’s Fastback Invitational on Sept. 13 and won Rosemead Invitational on Sept. 20 placing second overall among 399 runners with a time of 17:48.


Jarron Williams, Muir: The quarterback completed 11 of 19 passes for 205 yards and three touchdowns to lead Muir past Venice, 33-14, last week..

Scott Dooley, San Marino: The running back rushed for 155 yards on 19 carries and a touchdown to lead the Titans past La Salle, 34-16.

Benny Hung, San Marino: The running back rushed for 102 yards on 16 carries and scored two touchdowns.

Joey Stewart, Temple City: The senior running back rushed for 143 yards on 24 carries and had a score in the Rams’ 14-10 loss to Alhambra.

Tim Esguerra, Rio Hondo Prep: The running back rushed for 183 yards on 23 carries and scored two touchdowns in the Kares’ 28-26 loss to Brentwood.

Antonio Alaniz, Rio Hondo Prep: The running back rushed for 126 yards on 17 carries and scored a touchdown for the Kares.


1. St. Francis (2-0)
Burroughs could be a test

2. Muir (2-1)
Enters league with confidence

3. Rosemead (2-0)
Defense could use a tweak

4. Arcadia (1-1)
Heads to Lynwood banged up

5. San Marino (2-0)
Guess who’s back? The Titans

6. Temple City (1-1)
Played uncharacteristic Friday

7. Monrovia (1-2)
Wildcats offense getting there

8. San Gabriel (1-2)
Should be easy sail from here

9. Maranatha (3-0)
It gets tougher from here

10. Alhambra (1-1)
Moors need to limit mistakes


1. Westridge
Only lost six sets in six matches

2. Flintridge Sacred Heart
Tologs beat La Caada in four

3. La Caada
In Royal Tournament Saturday

4. Gabrielino
Impressive 7-3 start

5. Mayfield
It’s been a tough start

6. San Gabriel
Hasn’t played much yet

7. Arcadia
Beginning Pacific League play

8. La Salle
Things looking up

9. Monrovia
Los to La Salle in four

10. Rio Hondo Prep
Begins season 2-1

Thursday’s game

Burroughs at St. Francis, 7:30 p.m.

Friday’s games
Hoover at San Marino, 7 p.m.
Temple City at San Gabriel, 7 p.m.
Alhambra at La Canada, 7 p.m.
Arcadia at Lynwood, 7 p.m.
Glendale at South Pasadena, 7 p.m.
Beckman at Monrovia, 7 p.m.
Blair vs. Jefferson at PCC, 7 p.m.
South Hills at Duarte, 7 p.m.
Bosco Tech vs. La Salle at St. Matthias, 7 p.m.
Keppel at Mountain View, 7 p.m.
Village Christian at Gabrielino, 7 p.m.
Rio Hondo Prep at Sage Hill, 7 p.m.
Flintridge Prep vs. Campbell Hall at Occidental College, 7 p.m.

Saturday’s game
Marshall at Chadwick, 2 p.m.

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Star-News Football Top 10 dilemma

So here’s my dilemma.

The top four teams in the area are pretty solid and can go without question:

1. St. Francis

2. Muir

3. Rosemead

4. Arcadia

5-10 is a whole other story.

San Marino is probably a lock for the No. 5 spot. They are 2-0 and beat a very good La Salle team despite its record.

So look for the Titans to move up a spot from No. 6, meaning Temple City, who previously held the No. 5 spot, will be moved down, but how far down is the question.

The Rams played uncharacteristic last Friday in a 14-10 loss to Alhambra.

Monrovia, who held the No. 7 spot, lost to a very good Rosemead team in a game that was closer than the score indicated.

San Gabriel, who held the No. 8 spot, played a very very tough Serra team. The Matadors got blown out but the experience was plentiful. San Gabriel saw speed, size and athleticism, something that’ll likely go unmatched the rest of the season or even come playoffs.

Maranatha, holding strong at No. 9, routed a team they should have beaten. Things will get a little harder from here on out for the Minutemen so they’ll be tested and have to prove their worth in the rankings.

Then there’s Alhambra, who held the No. 10 spot … The Moors had to rally to beat Temple City. If not for the numerous dropped balls by the Rams and silly but costly mistakes by Alhambra this game becomes more exciting and possibly closer than it was.

So who to rank 5-10 is the dilemma.

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….Star Picks….All football, all the time

Star-News preps writer Keith Lair and I will be going head-to-head throughout the season, and I will update our records each Monday on the “Star Picks” thread.

Melendez: Last week: 12-4; Overall: 26-15
Lair: Last week: 11-5; Overall: 28-13

Notes: My wrong picks were Hoover (lost to South Pasadena); Temple City (lost to Alhambra); Keppel (lost to Gabrielino); and Brentwood (lost to Rio Hondo Prep). Lair’s wrong picks were Temple City (lost to Alhambra); La Salle (lost to San Marino); Duarte (lost to Pomona); Capistrano Valley (lost to Maranatha); and Gladstone (lost to Bosco Tech). If it wasn’t for my horrific Week 0 start, I’d probably be running away with the lead. So for now Lair is two wins up on me. Some of you guys have posted your picks which are great but how about you add up your records while your at and see how you fare through the season.

Tough picks: I might head over to the Burroughs-St. Francis game and just watch. Keith Lair will be covering the game. This could be a close game than most probably expect. San Gabriel I think has more weapons on offense than Temple City. The Matadors can attack you just as good on the ground as they can over the air. Joey Stewart will be one tough assignment for the Matadors. Nice battle of the private schools between Bosco and La Salle. Arcadia-Lynwood should be pretty good if the Apaches are back to 100 percent.

Thursday, Sept. 25
Burroughs at St. Francis, 7:30 p.m. — Melendez (St. Francis); Lair (St. Francis)

Friday, Sept. 26
Hoover at San Marino, 7 p.m. — Melendez (San Marino); Lair (San Marino)
Temple City at San Gabriel, 7 p.m. — Melendez (San Gabriel); Lair (Temple City)
Alhambra at La Canada, 7 p.m. — Melendez (Alhambra); Lair (Alhambra)
Arcadia at Lynwood, 7 p.m. — Melendez (Arcadia); Lair (Lynwood)
Glendale at South Pasadena, 7 p.m. — Melendez (Glendale); Lair (Glendale)
Beckman at Monrovia, 7 p.m. — Melendez (Monrovia); Lair (Beckman)
Blair vs. Jefferson at PCC, 7 p.m. — Melendez (Blair); Lair (Jefferson)
South Hills at Duarte, 7 p.m. — Melendez (South Hills); Lair (South Hills)
Bosco Tech vs. La Salle at St. Matthias, 7 p.m. — Melendez (La Salle); Lair (La Salle)
Keppel at Mountain View, 7 p.m. — Melendez (Keppel); Lair (Mountain View)
Village Christian at Gabrielino, 7 p.m. — Melendez (Gabrielino); Lair (Gabrielino)
Rio Hondo Prep at Sage Hill, 7 p.m. — Melendez (Rio Hondo Prep); Lair (Rio Hondo Prep)
Flintridge Prep vs. Campbell Hall at Occidental College, 7 p.m. — Melendez (Flintridge Prep); Lair (Campbell Hall)

Saturday, Sept. 27
Marshall at Chadwick, 2 p.m. — Melendez (Chadwick); Lair (Chadwick)

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UCLA Postgame: Bruins offense continues to sputter

Just got home from the Rose Bowl. I took my sister with me. It was her first UCLA football game.

Other than UCLA’s poor effort on offense it went OK.

The Bruins had only 196 total yards in a 31-10 loss to the Wildcats.


UCLA wasn’t really hurt by penalties. They were hurty by Kevin Craft’s ineffective passing. The kid played well against Tennessee. I give him credit for that great second half. But he was nonexistent against BYU and again against Arizona. Kraft completed 15 of 31 passes for just 81 yards. Derrick Coleman had a pretty good showing at running back. If the other guys won’t step up I say let the freshman play.

UCLA has one of the best offensive coordinators in the nation with Norm Chow. But it’s not showing. Patience? I guess. I’m just frustrated that the Bruins will have to take a back seat to USC football yet again this season. At least we scored some points this time, albeit it came on defense after a fumble recovery in the end zone.

The best way my sister can describe both teams is this way:

USC football are the Lakers of college football.

UCLA … the Clippers.

I was pretty upset UCLA didn’t go for it on fourth and 1 on the Arizona 14 (I think) and UCLA let the clock wind down to two seconds before they kicked a field goal. They should have just gone for the first down and tried one play for the end zone. There was plenty of time. That falls on coaching, not the players who’ve gotten plenty of blame of late. No offensive touchdowns in two straight games?!?!? Ugh!

Next weekend I celebrate my 25th birthday. I was planning on starting my day at the Rose Bowl for the Fresno State game but after today I might just save my time and energy for something more productive.

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Saturday Morning Quarterback Postgame Thread: Alhambra rallies, St. Francis solid, Maranatha and Rosemead romp! Talk your smack or cry me a river!

Above: Vailele Peko, only a sophomore, showed some flashes in Alhambra’s 14-10, victory over Temple City on Friday night at Moor Field.

Where to begin.

This was a game Temple City should have come away with a victory. But Alhambra ruined those plans as it initiated a six-play, 64-yard drive that was capped by a 17-yard touchdown pass from quarterback Darrian Cazarin to Daniel Imaa to give the Moors a 14-10 victory over the Rams.

It was Imaa’s only catch of the game.

Temple City (1-1) had a chance to make a long drive of their own but on the first play — with the ball on the Moors 28 — Temple City quarterback Morgan Hatch was intercepted by Mitchell Crockom to put the game away.

Crockom was at the center of attention of just about every key play. Crockom made an amazing 32-yard completion to put the ball at the Rams 2. Many thought Joey Stewart came away with the interception but it was Crockom who lifted the ball in the air to complete the pass, much to the dismay of the visiting Temple City crowd.

Crockom also made a huge 47-yard catch that highlighted that 64-yard drive. And it was Crockom who came up with the interception that sent the Moors crowd into a frenzy.

I remember telling myself before Crockom made that 47-yard catch: I am not impressed with him at all. At that point, Crockom had made completions of 29, 32, 8, 16, 14, and 2.

Decent night, I thought, but still not impressed given Crockom has enough talent to carry the Moors this season.

Then he made that big catch and of course the interception. I stand corrected.

The Rams passing game suffered big against the Moors, who really weren’t doing anything fancy to hinder Temple City’s passing game. The key was that a lot of Hatch’s passes were dropped.

Stewart had a big night rushing for 143 yards on 24 carries. He made some big plays and was the key player who kept a 16-play drive alive in the second quarter.

Stewart rushed for a 2-yard score on that drive but it was called back after an illegal formation penalty moved the ball back to the Alhambra 7. The Rams couldn’t come up with anything at that point except for a safety after the Moors were forced to punt from their end zone.

Temple City took a 10-7 lead after Stewart’s score from 4 yards out. Quarterback Morgan Hatch connected with Kenny Werner for the two-point conversion.

The Rams had the lead for 10 minutes before the Moors initiated the rally with 3:04 left in the game and Alhambra sitting on its 36.

What a turn of events. Alhambra coach Gil Ruedaflores and Temple City coach Randy Backus were laughing it up and joking around when they greeted each other at the 50-yard line with 12 minutes before the game started.

When both coaches met again at the 50-yard line to shake hands, Backus’ mood was more somber for obvious reasons. Backus was visibly upset and not even Ruedaflores saying “We were lucky to win it” cheered him up.

How could it?

Temple City had this game in the bag. Despite some big yardage plays in the first half, Crockom was kept on check especially in the first half.

“We didn’t handle success very well the entire week,” Backus said. “We had a poor week for preparation for Alhambra and it was reflected tonight.

“Too many blown assignments and too many missed assignments. Not taking the opportunities that were presented to us to win this game.”

Despite the offense getting off to a slow start in the first half, it was a clean game. There were not turnovers and the penalties were minimal, except (ahem) for that illegal formation penalty on the Rams.

Backus didn’t want to get into that penalty which he noted was called well into Stewart’s rush into the end zone.

“The guy’s in the end zone and the flag comes five seconds after the guy’s in the end zone, saying we didn’t have enough guys in the line of scrimmage,” Backus said. “I’m not gonna say anything about the officiating.”

The Rams visit San Gabriel next week but Backus is more concerned about his team than he is of the Matadors.

“It’s not about San Gabriel,” he said. “It’s about us getting better. Like I said we had a poor poor week. We were horrible in practice and it reflected in the game.”

Ruedaflores had nothing but praise for his young defensive line.

“When you teach adversity and you tell these boys not to look back it’s hard because they’re young,” Ruedaflores said. “It’s hard to swallow that (loss last week) but they fought through it, and they came back and I’m proud of them.”

Vailele Peko provided a great highlight-reel for the Moors after he returned a punt 42 yards and into the Rams 28 but the ball was moved way back after Alhambra was called for a holding penalty.

Those are the little things the Moors need to overcome if they are to contend for the Almont League title.

They can’t have those kinds of little mistakes that negates long plays like the one Peko had in the fourth quarter.

That play got the home crowd fired up but the penalty knocked the wind out of the momentum.

But Crockom went on to make a big play followed by Imaa’s touchdown reception from 17 yards out.

The holding penalty at that point became a long forgotten footnote.

Above: Joey Stewart carried Temple City almost the entire game.

If you attended a Friday night game send us your thoughts. Who did you see and what’d you think of the teams you saw?

Here are Friday’s scores with my thoughts

Alhambra 14, Temple City 10 — The Moors make late rally for the win. Backus isn’t so happy for obvious reasons. The passing game just wasn’t there for the Rams on Friday night.

Long Beach Jordan 36, Pasadena 0 — Who’d a thought the Bulldogs would enter Pacific League play depleted at 0-4? Kevin Mills lost some key players from last year’s team but with the kind of depth he’s got a 36-0 loss is almost unbelievable.

Glendale 36, La Canada 21 — This is not the Glendale team of the past. This could be a much longer season than I thought for the Spartans.

San Marino 31, La Salle 16 — Remember the Titans? They’re baaaAAAAAaaaaack!!!!

St. Francis 27, Crescenta Valley 13 — I really wanna go see my No. 1 team.

Muir 33, Venice 14 — As I predict, Mustangs go. Oh wait…D-Ranch. Muir is 2-1 heading into league. That’s a great start on my books. Interesting to read that Reuben Thomas played just receiver. TWO GOOD QBS???? Nice.

Rosemead 42, Monrovia 21 — Who knew the Wildcats would be rebuilding this season? The Panthers have a pretty good offense. I really wanna go see them against Temple City in two weeks. But then again ….

Gabrielino 28, Keppel 0 — Eagles finally put up some points. Aztecs will be hurting by season’s end.

Serra 53, San Gabriel 0 — I saw this coming.

Maranatha 45, Capo Valley Christian 0 — I saw this coming, too.

Bosco Tech 20, Gladstone 0 — This will boost the Tigers’ morale fo sho, right Shockley?

Brentwood 28, Rio Hondo Prep 26 — Ouch! Tough one. If there ever was a moral victory, it is this one. Two-point loss against a tough Brentwood team is not bad at all.

Villanova Prep 32, Flintridge Prep 6 — Rebels having a hard time getting their offense going.

Click here for all the area’s games including Tribune and Whittier areas.

Saturday’s Game

Marshall at Pasadena Poly, 2 p.m. — Melendez (Pasadena Poly); Lair (Pasadena Poly)

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Thursday Night Recap: South Pas wins, Duarte loses

Above: South Pasadena’s Ricky Venegas fights for yardage during the game against Hoover at Glendale. South Pas won, 29-14.(Larry Goren/Correspondent)

South Pasadena had the spotlight all to itself Thursday night as the Tigers defeated Hoover, 29-14.

From what I’ve read, Hoover practically handed South Pasadena the game. Not to say the Tigers didn’t fight hard because they certainly deserved to win.

South Pasadena (1-1) did not score all their points off the miscues, but they certainly helped. One, a bouncing snap by Hoover long-snapper Alan Palafox, rolled out of the end zone to break a 14-14 tie.

“We were calm,” South Pasadena coach Ed Smith said of his halftime speech. “We didn’t yell at them. We just said, `Hey, look, this is what we got to do.’ We should have made some plays in the first half, but one or two guys broke down a little bit. I told them to go out there, have fun and play football. Take care of your job and have fun.”

The Tigers, who had only 18 yards rushing in the first half, marched down the field on their first series of the second half. Kevin Lee, who finished with 104 yards on 23 carries, had the bulk of the yardage. Quarterback Conor Bednarski hit Steven Colliau, who had seven catches for 68 yards and two scores, in the back of the end zone on a 26-yarder to tie the game.

Click here to read the entire story by staff writer Keith Lair.

*I searched and searched but to no avail. Last night in the sports segment on KNBC-4 there was video from the South Pas-Hoover game.

After getting a headache browsing through the KNBC site I decided to stop. But I tried.


I don’t know how I missed the Duarte-Pomona game. I thought it was being played on Friday night. That is so my bad.

Our Nathan Cambridge reports:

Pomona High School’s Siddiq Frazier scored four rushing touchdowns to lead the Red Devils to a 34-12 nonleague victory over host Duarte on Thursday night.

The Falcons (0-3) got on the board in the final quarter. Two Duarte sophomore quarterbacks each threw a touchdown pass.

The first was by starter Demetrius Jackson on a 53-yard screen pass. Jackson finished 5-for-15 for 64 yards, one interception and one touchdown. The second touchdown was thrown by Tyler Hayes in the game’s final minute.

*It’s going to be a long season for Duarte. The Falcons are having a hard time putting up points and they’re having to do it mostly without its star running back, Jordan Canada.

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Finding a common bond

In case you guys missed it here it is. Thanks for the nice comments in other posts.


Hatch, Corona mesh personalities to Temple City’s benefit

By Miguel A. Melendez
Staff Writer

TEMPLE CITY – During practice and Friday nights under the lights, after every victory and defeat, it’s amazing how the boisterous Temple City High School football crowd probably can’t tell the dissimilarities within the team.

They see 11 players on the field wearing the Rams green and gold coming together as a team with one common goal: Victory.

But there are players who are so different, their views and likes so extreme they likely wouldn’t be friends or, even less, acquaintances if not for football.

Take seniors Morgan Hatch and Nick Conora.

Hatch is the signal-caller directing the offense and dissecting the defense’s every move.

Conora is an unassuming presence at linebacker but a brutal force anchoring the defense with immense knowledge, respect and love for the game.

Together they are the perfect 1-2 punch on each side of the line of scrimmage. That much was evident after Hatch led Temple City (1-0) to a 34-0 victory over Arroyo last week to open the season.

Hatch completed 10 of 14 passes for 190 yards and four touchdowns.

There’s no question both can co-exist. That much was evident minutes before the clock expired.

“One thing that really opened my eyes about how different we are and yet how much we respect each other was last week when with two minutes left (Conora) came over and talked to me saying great job,” Hatch said. “(Conora) said, `I’m loving that offense. I’m the captain of the `D’, you’re the captain of the `O’. Just keep running that offense and I’ll take care of my defense’.

“That was like, dang, because we don’t really talk that much or hang out that much but we speak the same football language.”
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Casual Fridays on Thursday: Game of the Week, etc…

Above: Temple City and Alhambra square off at Moor Field on Friday night at 7.

If you’re Temple City (1-0) what team poses a bigger threat: a team that heads into the game also 1-0, riding with confidence, or a team that is 0-1 and has a sense of urgency and desperation in hopes of not looking from the bottom up?

That’s the question I posed Rams coach Randy Backus and he had some interesting stuff to say. More on that in Friday’s paper on page 2.

Every time I talk to Alhambra coach Gil Ruedaflores he mentions another coach either coached as a player or has had on his staff.

Backus at one point was an assistant under Ruedaflores. I think Backus left Alhambra in 2000.

Back to the game … One thing that worries Backus he said was Alhambra’s ability to score quickly like the Moors did in the fourth quarter against Glendale last week. Alhambra scored three touchdowns and were led by sophomore Vailele Peko who caught three of those passes for touchdowns in the 44-28 loss.

Despite the 34-0 rout over Arroyo last week, Backus said he thought there were area for the Rams to improve such as blown assignments, not picking up blitzes; little things like not having 11 guys on a punt.

Darrian Cazarin, the junior quarterback for the Moors, completed 18 of 33 passes for 300 yards and had four touchdowns. He threw three interceptions and two of them were returned for touchdowns.

“We turned the ball over too many times,” Ruedaflores said. “You can’t give another team 30 points, ask UCLA.”

Friday’s Game of the Week: Temple City vs. Alhambra at Moor Field

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Click here for quarter-by-quarter updates!

Tonight’s Game with predictions

South Pasadena vs. Hoover at Glendale, 7 p.m. — Melendez (Hoover); Lair (South Pasadena)

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Golper: Minor break in right toe, sprained

Arcadia’s Todd Golper has a minor crack in his right big toe and the MRI showed it is also sprained.

He’ll be able to play again this season but the question is when. The doctor doesn’t think Todd will hurt the big toe but it’s a matter of how much pain Todd can handle while playing.

There’s no doubt Todd will want to play against Lynwood a week from Friday but it’s uncertain at this point if the coaches will let him play.

Todd, who is wearing a boot, got e-mails from both UCLA football coach Rick Neuheisel and linebackers coach Chuck Bullough and also Neuheisel and DeWayne Walker called Monday to inquire on his status.

At the very minimum Todd might sit out against Glendale and play against the bigger teams like Muir and others.

But then again, we’re talking about the same Todd who thought was playing the final three games of the season with a sprained wrist, only to come and find out after X-rays he had actually been playing with a broken wrist.

During the St. Francis game Todd wouldn’t take off his shoe at halftime because he thought maybe they would take him out of the game. Turns out he had 21 tackles after game film was reviewed. Todd’s the epitome of toughness.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Todd tries to run next week and play it by ear. It’s gonna be a tough judgment call.

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