Football: Jordan Canada's mom speaks out

Well I know for private schools you can not follow a coach to another school, you would have to sit out a year. I think the same would hold true for public.

The Donk:

You can transfer to any school at anytime as long as there is a bonafide change of address but not switching from one parent to another is considered a bonafide change of address.

If a family is willing to move into "school B's" attendance area from "school A's" attendance area, there is no penalty or sanction if they can show legitimate proof to that district.

Intradistrict transfers work similarly unless it is an open enrollment district where more paperwork must be done.

GA,
They are not allowed to follow a coach to another school, they would have to sit out a year. Unless you are related to the coach, I think.

If as Ms. Canada says "the only reason Jordan and Jaime were at Duarte was because of Crutchfield".......then why did the brothers not follow Crutchfield to Baldwin Park??

I feel particularly bad for the senior players left hung in the fray of this obviously bad situation.. If Tip pulls a winning season out of this hat - he may qualify as Coach of the Decade.

Granted, admission to a good school and succeeding at one ARE two totally different things. However, if students are admitted to these schools it's safe to say that their test scores from the SAT, ACT, AP exams, etc. (which are more objective than grades) were at least comparable with students from other high schools who were accepted.

You say that the opportunity is greater at these schools. How? Why? Because the teachers are better? Because the books are more updated? Or is it because the students come from "better stock" and they will one day replace their parents in the golden network of top professionals? All of the above? So then you would argue that if every student from Muir transferred to San Marino and vice versa, that the Muir kids at SM would succeed and the SM kids at Muir would fail. After all the opportunity at these "good schools" is greater, right?

You are right to say that it does matter where you attend school, but it matters because of where these schools are located and how much support they recieve from the communities in which they reside. There is a reason why many of these kids will become "doctors, lawyers, engineers, bankers, etc." Becuase these are the standards and expectations set by their PARENTS and community members, many of whom ARE "doctors, lawyers, engineers, bankers, etc." who have the resources to best help these children.

I understand where you are coming from in terms of an individual parent looking out for what is best for their child. But consider the slippery slope here. What, then, about ALL of the other parents and kids from the same community? Should they too follow suit and flood these "good schools" with applications and completely abandon their community high school? And what about the community itself? Won't it suffer if its best minds were to disappear or if the school were to close altogehter? Didn't Germany suffer for its "brain drain" of the late 30's and 40's? How about Detroit now! Among the Motor City's LITANY of problems, a buddy of mine who just moved from there explained to me how many of the best minds and some of the strongest families, regardless of color, ditched the city, never to return again. He argued that their mass exodus to the suburbs and other parts of the country created a massive void in the city that was never filled, creating huge problems.

Alright....I'm ranting again. My apologies! Long story short...the best minds, and in fact all minds, can be and should be fostered in their own communities. For the best of ALL parties involved. This has been proven time and agian.

Btw NY, I quite enjoy our "debates!" It's nice to step away from the field of play every now and again. Thanks!

I don't disagree that family-life contributes to success. However, if a family maximizes opportunity, then it makes sense that the output will be greater where the opportunity is greater. It does matter where you attend school.

Be careful how you measure success. Getting admitted to college is different than entering college well prepared to graduate Magna Cum Laude.

Another aspect of education is social development. Sometimes the "good schools" are filled with kids who go onto become doctors, lawyers, engineers, bankers, etc. Some parents want their kids to be in that network as early as possible. When kids first arrive at college, it is nice to already know other students on campus.

If parents and a school destrict reach a mutual agreement, why not let it stand?

Stang Fan, I have to agree with you in what you are saying. It does not matter where you go to school, what counts is what you make of it. Yes, you're right you can go to what would be considered a "poor" school and still go to a good university. You are so right about the education and the overall high school experience being a two way street. How do we as parents expect our schools to get any better if we give up on them so quickly. As parents we have to get involved in our schools wether it be through the PTA, the Booster Club, or any activity that involves parent participation. What better way to get informed about what is going on in your child's school and how you can help make it a better school.

NY,

If they were to allow a football player from out of the district, then why not just accept every single kid who wants to get an education there. As a matter of fact, why don't these schools (Arcadia, San Marino, La Canada, etc.) just open the floodgates and allow ALL the students from cities with "poor" schools to be admitted. Something tells me they would not be welcomed with open arms for a multitude of reasons.

High schools are a major part of any community, and are often vital to a community's success. Yes, it is the job of the districts to do their part in providing for and educating kids. But education and the overall school experience is a two way street, requiring the district AND the home environment/community to ALL do their part. It's no coincidence that schools regarded as "academic" schools (aren't all schools academic???) by the public happen to be schools in middle-class to affluent communities. Whereas, "poor" schools happen to be in low-income neighborhoods with a high concentration of minorities.

The "education gap" exists moreso because of what happens at home and less because of what happens at school. Prime examples of this are the many kids throughout the country who attend "poor" schools but still manage to get quality educations at these schools and wind up earning their way to great universities. I drove by Muir the other day and streaming across the school's ticker were the acceptances of Muir students to such schools as Duke, UC Berkeley, USC, UCLA, Northwestern, Wellesley, etc. These students are successful because their home environment is strong and supportive and in turn they are able to capitalize on the education provided to them by the teachers at school. If the majority of these households operated this way, schools would "miraculously" improve and there would be no reason to shop around for schools.

Here's a good example...If every kid from San Marino HS transferred to Muir HS and every kid from Muir HS transferred to San Marino HS, you would get the EXACT same results that exist right now...I promise you!

"I looked at a lot of schools" - yeah that jumped out at me too. Since when are high school kids free agents? They aren't choosing colleges. Don't they have to live in the district? This has CIF sanctions written all ovr it. I think Mrs. Canada just made it worse.

bradybunch,

I agree with you in suggesting that the choice to transfer should benefit their academics...however, athletic experience and academic experience should not necessarily be separated. We should focus on the total student experience, rather than parcing the academics from the athletics. Can you imagine how a student-athlete's academic performance may suffer if he/she is frustrated by the annoyances of playing within a dysfunctional program/campus. I've seen it happen too often.

What if the San Marino taxpayers allowed a football player from outside the district to transfer into San Marino's district? Should CIF play the ultimate Big Brother role and intervene? No.

It is perfectly fine to shop around and choose schools, so long as the parents and students move into the school's community/district.

I'm not too sure how approving the folks in San Marino would be if families from outside SM transferred to the high school, especially if the community of SM votes in favor of the parcel tax next month which is slotted for the school district.

I agree with New York. School preference should not be looked at as a bad thing as long as it is going to benefit the student. But it should benefit them in there academics not the so much the sport. We must remember that being one of the best athletes or the best there is within your league, will not get you into a division 1 school. You must have all required classes and grades. If Ms. Canada researched schools what was wrong with Arcadia High School? They offer by far one of the best academic programs around and have great support from the school staff when it comes to there athletic program. But didn't have such a great season last year.

NY,

No, that doesn't count...lol.

Because the rule-makers (CIF) see transferring as a bad thing, so long as the transfer is "athletically motivated." And I can almost guarantee that the school districts are NOT pressed to make improvements because of the transferring of a handful of athletes.

Apparently, the reason why Canada transferred had a lot to do with Crutchfield. I'm quite sure had Crutchfield stayed at Duarte, Canada would still be a Falcon.

Does it count if they started in the West and moved BACK from the East?

Why is school choice perceived as a bad thing? I hope the talent flight over the years has encouraged school districts and communities to develop stronger offerings for their residents. That's the real issue. Why aren't we more focused on the reason that the students transfer?

Silent Majority is right. This only serves to stir the pot....I'm sure Coach Bogan isn't too pleased.

99% of the time an athlete's transfer from one school to another is "athletically motivated." We ALL know that! Just transfer, stay below the fray, and more often than not the kid will be allowed to play.

Btw, can anyone name a big-time transfer from an ESGV school to a WSGV one in the past decade? Or even a big-time player who resided in the ESGV that ended up playing in the WSGV? Just curious.....

"We looked at a lot of schools".Does CIF allow that?You mean kids can now shop around to find out where they want to go to school?"Making a Statement"next time just be quiet.By going public you just stir the pot up for people like myself.Out of sight ,Out of mind.

Let's see Duarte in shambles at the momemnt. South Hills a football power. Those who think this has to do with anything other than an athletically motivated move are crazy.

"I need to make the statement clear, that's partially the reason," = Athletically motivated transfer. someone ring cif...

Yet another example of WSGV kids feeding ESGV schools with major talent. Btw, I wonder which schools were "researched" and "evaluated" during the process.

Good luck to them, and welcome to the Southeast division.