Football: The Stang Fan tells us how he really feels ….

An essay, err, comment made by Stang Fan on an earlier post, and he’s pretty much nailed it.

This is EXACTLY why I don’t beat my chest any more. This is EXACTLY why I just limit my comments to post-game analysis of the team I follow. This is EXACTLY why I regret acting like an ass on here the first few years of the blog…because this is the EXACT reason why the WSGV is laughed at and mocked.

Look man, no one on this side of the WSGV is good. No one. And by good I mean a team that is respected inside of AND outside of our area. Hell, not one team on this side is even in Aram’s Top 12….of the SGV! Better days, we have certainly seen.

Does anyone on this side have one significant win? One? Just one?

No.

Has every team on this side lost to someone they could have, and maybe should have, beaten?

Yes.

Let’s look at the 5 most talked about teams:

Monrovia: No significant win (please don’t say South Hills) and Glendora and San Dimas aren’t what folks thought they were, and the Cats still lost to them.

St. Franics: Four straight losses, two to teams they “should’ve” beaten, and two to significant teams.

Arcadia: Lost to the two teams above as well as Burroughs and has no significant win (sorry, Burbank is not a significant win.)

Muir: Where do I begin? Yes, injuries are part of the game, but it’s still about wins and losses…and the Stangs have more losses than wins.

Maranatha: A little slack is cut for the Minutemen because they are a “smaller” school, but still….not one significant win and they lost to Big Bear.

So. Who is ranked ahead of whom? At this point, who cares? Does it even matter?

Maybe it’s just me….all gloom and doom right now. But frankly, I’m tired of the WSGV being stuck in this mire of mediocrity. I’ve been frustrated with Muir this year, but honestly I’m frustrated with the entire WSGV right about now. We’ve ALL got to right this ship…..SOON. And I’m pulling for ALL of us.

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  • Huckster!!!!!!

    Well, Ill say the problem with the Pasadena Schools is the PUSD! Theyre like a bunch of Republicans and Democrats trying to fix a gun shot wound with a band aid! The want good coaching, but pay and promote pop wanner coaching, which results in losing close games! Once you get to varsity sports things become a little more serious, because big time scholarships are at stake! All this $hit with sports starting after school and not at 6 or 7 period is just a joke! Sports could lead some of these kids to higher education if properly presented..In order for Pasadena schools to start back winning is to have the same amount of coaches as some of these other schools! 12 to 15 coaches for Varsity and JV combine would be the right direction to go inThen you have 6 period home room for study hall and 7 period gym to watch film! Physical practice starts after that with all academic classes starting first thing in the morning when you could get the most out of your student athletes. Just a start!

  • doggalum

    too many schools and watered down talent, several of many factors.

  • titangrad

    Completely agree with StangFan…Methinks WSGV coaches should stop trying to schedule a weak preseason and begin scheduling some of the ESGV teams. It definitely benefits the team in the long run. In the end, who cares if you beat up on the likes of Mark Keppel and Hoover? I know SM did a good job of scheduling a decently tough preseason. At least better than the pancake preseason teams of past…

  • Goldenarm

    This season is worst than most.

    It is like buying a ribeye steak at Vons. When you think of the really good steaks you have eaten, it hardly resembles any of them. It is beef and will fill your gut, but tommorow it will be forgotten. I think alot of the WSGV’ teams season – will be a forgotten one this year. Even beating your neighbor, your rival brings no great joy when you see their program struggling and your own team playing down to them, unable to execute with the slightest precision. I wholeheartedly agree with Stang Fan.

    The normally “bad” teams are horribly bad this year and the promising teams have pretty much already lost their promise.

    I’ve gone to Muir games, Monrovia and St Francis games over the years…and thought we had a CIF champion on a WSGV field. Rosemead was the best team in Mid Valley and still lost to Paraclete, how was that possible? TC got a sweet draw, played their asses off and got close, but Paraclete taught us lessons in the end. Now we are back 20 squares in evolution. Monrovia is my hold out for hope, but I wonder if that offense is too Bueno-Heavy when they get deeper into bracket play. I can hear O-Cats reply a comin…but some distribution can only help…and the talent is there.

    Keep the chest beatin down and stay humble because this year words most certainly will be eaten. The ESGV has dined on massive boasts in years past – but this is our year to be respectful and kick any ass we can if there is half a chance.

  • Footballfan

    The problem with Pasadena Schools are people like you Huckster.

  • New York

    What if Muir had a coach who develops offensive linemen and encourages a “hawg” culture and had ties to USC again? If that were the case (a coach like Mooney) I don’t think Stangfan would be as down on the current state of affairs.

  • Observantcat

    In the past I wouldn’t put Maranatha past Rio Hondo Prep but as I looked at the landscape of the West SGV I’ve notice a tremendous change in team structure. I am not taking anything away from Muir, I think that at this time they are not playing their best football and just to be fair neither is Monrovia, Arcadia, St. Francis etc…. But the small schools have produced way beyond the expectations of what they have been use to in the past. Muir has Great individual athelets but their inconsistancies have caused them to fall into a mediocre category this season so far. Arcadia has more potential than they have shown all season. As even they have seen winning is not a 2 man show. Burbank got dealt a reality check last week as well did Arcadia who found out that they have other players who can truly make a difference in the outcome of their season. Monrovia is still work in progress, we are still trying out new things and circulating their backs every game to see what gives them the best angle on teams they will play for the rest of league and for the post season. As for Stang Fan, I agree with most of everything you have to say except the part where you said that no team has won any game of true significance. Every win is of significance because you never know whether or not a player or players on your team will get hurt or leave the team for any particular reason. Making the playoffs are all the reason in the world to win as many games as you can. As hard as it is too swallow for some of the great teams on the westside of the valley, schools like Maranatha, Rio Hondo prep are making a move and the move is becoming ever so threatining to the powers that be, The Post season is what all of us here on the westside should be looking forward too as we represent all of the area and not just ourselves. Believe it or not as much as we dont talk about the good over the bad everyone that I know wants the Muirs, Arcadia’s, St. Francis’ to bring home the grand prize and it will happen as soon as teams man up and find out what’s holding them back from that run.
    GA: Take my word for it, Monrovia is not just top strong with Nick. We could probably present a more dangerous threat with him in the backfield and Frazier at QB this season. Nick is a great leader and team player and would and could play any position on the field. We have some pretty good running backs that might see plenty of action on Friday night and on down the line. these players will compliment Nicks overall play. Having a sound running game is a must in the post season and Monrovia has slowly but surely been putting that together. Our most challenging game so far has been Paramount which is doing well in their league and will eventually play for the league championship against Dominguez. Our biggest letdown this season was to San Dimas in which we did have a 3TD lead and let it get away by getting completly away from our game which resulted in 3 back to back to back three and outs and 2 turn overs. Those problems needed to be fixed and have since been. Our biggest lose this season was not having DeShawn Ramirez suit up for us and start at tailback. Who knows what we would be ranked by now. As far as making those adjustments I think we still land safely back down to earth. As a fan I dont see the chest pounding from the players they are pretty down to earth and have great sportsmanship towards the teams they play.
    But when you consider significant losses or wins they all fall into the same categorie what is your team doing right or wrong? It just needs to be fixed, ask West Covina.

  • Huckster!!!!!!

    Footballfan?

    You are right! It’s too damn bad that I know more football than the high school coaches! On top of that! I understand peoples mind a little more too especially teenagers! I know somebody that is 5’4″ and beleived they were the best in everything they did, because I made them a believer! Even in failure greatness was and will be achieved! So you’re right “FootballFan”!

  • Huckster!!!!!

    Ok enough is enough! When some of you Cowards get on this blog and hide behind your fake names please keep your personal attacks to your self! For better or worse, if I speak on a situation I use my real name and speak on the source Im blogging about! Were all on here to agree and disagree, but damn! At least some of you supposedly grown a$$ men could say it to my face like Ill do you! Keep it on a man level if you can? I know your mammas taught you that after your daddy left before your first birthday!

  • valley guy

    man the talent in pasadena is still here the problem is the coaching and discipline isn’t. yeah most of pasadena talent is at alemany, the difference between alemany, p.h.s and muir is that alemany is coached well and the pasadena players up there is very disciplined and you all can see their results, for those that dont know alemany is 7-0 and plays in the serra league. but pasadena still has major talent all we need is coaching and support from the city, and our talent will stay at home and pasadena schools will reign over all. not taking away from monrovia which still is good and well coached but no city maybe long beach has talent like pasadena does.

  • Someone who knows

    Let’s face it PUSD is the epitome of dysfunction. The Pasadena schools will not achieve full potential unless they clean up that district. That is too bad for the kids at all of the schools and all the sports.

  • Apache Joe

    Huckster,

    For anyone who has had to deal with Pasadena, we all know who you are. You don’t need to talk on a blogs about standing up and admitting to your name, that is the beauty/curse behind the blogs.

    Your behavior at the Arcadia – Pasadena game in 2007 was pathetic. Pasadena would have won that game if it were not for your immature antics at halftime that blew up the entire Arcadia team in the locker room.

  • Anonymous

    “…are making a move and the move is becoming ever so threatining to the powers that be”.

    Observantcat – what powers that be? Seriously, which school is a power?

  • muir alum

    Look the West San Gabriel valley is hurting. Look at the demographic folks… People are moving out to places like the inland empire and Moreno Valley, Corona places that 10 and 15 years could not be found on a sports map.
    With Muir, clearly the most storied school in the West SG Valley the quality and disfunction of the district is its’ biggest challenge. Back in the day players wanted to play for Muir. Now these kids are being lured out of the district and are playing at St Franis, Loyola and other area schools. I witnessed that Burbank loss a couple of weeks ago. What a joke. Muir clearly beat themselves once again. You can’t expect to maximize your potential collecting penalties on every fourth offensive play. It’s not the kids…. the kids are committed they just need the belief that they can excel at something. They also need to be taught better fundamentals so they can execute and be fundamentally more sound. There is some solid talent on this years Muir team not much depth however. We need the community to support the program too. Very few folks are coming out to games. Against Burbank the Muir side was less than half full. At Bishop Amat there was a small handful of people that made the 15 mile commute from Pasaedena. I remember in the late 80′s and early 90′s people being turned away for Muir games at PCC.
    As usual it’s the coaching setting this program back. For once we have size on both lines and a solid quarterback. We should be knocking off teams like Burbank and Arcadia easily. The PUSD must clean itself up before anyone can expect Muir to maximize its ability. Then we will keep the best players within the school rather than watching them be lured away by other area schools. Dare I comment on the PHS rivalry. It’s whats all that matters to these kids is beating hs. Really is this even a rivalry. When was the last time HS actually beat Muir. Once since 83? In college thats not a rivalry. Anyway enough! Lets see Muir finish league strong and make a run in the playoffs but kids make sure your eligible!

  • Huckster!!!!!!

    Apache Joe,

    To be correct! If that Arcadia official wouldnt have put her hands on my niece the situation wouldnt have been blown out of control! Im accountable for all my past transgressions! As for me losing the game, I had nothing to do with that! Pasadena High was a 21 point better team and they got out coach by Arcadia Head man Delimante! Pasadena was the best team in the conference that year and they lost all their games due to poor coaching! Get it straight Prude!

  • theRealdeal

    WSGV is indeed alot different now from 10 yrs ago but to say that the WSGV football teams are weak is dead wrong! times have changed, talent pools are different but the athletes are still here!
    Muir is loaded with talent but them again so is Monrovia. Arcadia is definately a good team but your right they might not be playing at their potential!
    St. Francis is a victum of a harsh change of league, they play the defending CIF champions in Serra and other school power houses like chaminade, st paul etc.
    you cant compair Monrovia and Arcadia to private school teams! these coaches at these schools do an absolutely great job with the talent pool they have… Maddox and Dimalante would prob have had a CIF championship if kids that lived in their cities would attend the public HS.
    whats detrick riley an arcadia/monrovia boy? could you imagine what bueno and riley or golper n riley would have done together!
    you will see monrovia, like i said go deep in the playoffs and if you think muir is down n out you are gonna eat your words! Arcadia’s true color will be seen, they have to blow these teams out and take that into the playoffs! as for the “smaller” schools well i sure hope they can make a deep run in the playoffs!
    im gonna say it… GOO MTOWN GOO ARCADIA GOO MUIR! GOO MARANATHA!! the fate of the valley rest on your shoulders! no pressure!

  • Observantcat

    In this area the powers have been Monrovia, Muir, St. Francis and Arcadia. That balance is begining to shift more toward the private sectors in and around town.

  • theRealdeal

    -observantcat
    i totally agree!
    some of those kids either moving or attending the private schools would and could help the public programs!
    i dont think monrovia needs too much help this year but they might in years to come, but for the rest of the teams… they could have used the help this year!

  • Observantcat

    Lets not forget TC…Hopefully they can come back and take a stance and bring back some of their greatness. Their history speaks for itself.

  • Moneytalks

    Huck,

    I was there. You attempted to taunt arcadia kids going into the locker room at half, plain and simple. You have a way Huck of hyping up other teams for the positive of course. My suggestion is that you should stay away from the Burbank sideline or locker room this friday after what took place last friday night.

    Therefore, I would have to agree with Apache Joe. It wasn’t for you Pasadena would have beaten Arcadia. You guys were more talented than arcadia, maybe the most talented in the valley. I mean you guys were one dropped pass away from making the CIF semi finals, correct? That was a tough IE div, too.

    Good luck vs burbank, Pasadena has a shot.

  • White Fang

    I’m still waiting to see Arcadia go back into the big time bracket they played in the past.They sure were tough then!

    To Huckster, In battle, I witnessed corpsmen fix a gun shot wound with a ban aid___ not impossible! Perhaps a better anology would augment your statement!

    Can someone please name all thses players from Pasadena who play for Alemany? Why would they want to play for Alemany when Amat is so much closer to attend.

    Is someone just blowing hot air?

  • Reno Hightower

    Reno agrees w/ the Stang Fan. Reno has seen the decline of play in the WSGV over the past 20 years. Muir would produce several NFL type players ever 5 to 7 years. Not now. Arcadia’s OL would block out the sun. Not now. Pasadena had LEGIT dudes in C. Mac and Lester Towns. Not now. And the list goes on. Several reasons exist; changing demographics, some quality kids going to other schools, and a lack of quality Pop Warner/ Junior All American programs that nuture home grown talent. Reno has seen redevelopment work in business sectors. Perhaps it can work in yhis sector as well.

  • Pasadena Warriors

    These are some of the players from Pasadena who play for Alemany.
    1. Vernon Adams- starting QB
    2. Saladin McCullough- starting CB and RB
    3. Deron Smith- starting S
    4. CJ Washington- starting LB and RB
    5. Fred Wilfong
    6. Akeem Gonzales- starting DL

    And don’t forget Malcolm Marable who was the star at Alemany the last past years who is at Oregon State at this time.

  • Mr Football

    Stang fan and West SGV fans…I am a Monrovia alumni and Fan.

    We must keep things in perspective… First of all, this is a local blog, so we are speaking competetively against eachother, who are all fans of our local high schools. I think you must have pride and rep your team in good and bad times. There is nothing wrong with having team pride and pounding our chest locally. I am going to pump Mtown till I die! I am going to uplift our kids. I am not going down them or thier wins. We all know that the West SGV is down right now no doubt.., but outside of Charter Oak and San Dimas who in the whole SGV has won a title? Both of those titles have come in divisions that are filled with all local teams. So Really you can go ahead and include the whole SGV as not so good. If you have not noticed, CIF has localized divisions now, especially the lower ones….keep that in mind as well.
    I mean honestly…I played in the west SGV in the late 90′s. Lets go down that top five again… Monrovia has never won a FB title…They have went several times but never won. When has St Francis been a powerhouse ever? When is last time Arcadia won a title or even Semis? Muir was dominate with back to back in 86 and 87, but I would not say muir has been Dominant in 25+ years .Maranatha has always been Small time. My analysis, is that the SGV has never really been consistent year in and out. We have good years and bad ones just like other areas. If you look outside the SGV Tons of schools have suffered from demographics. Look at chino, Ayala, Fontana, Eisenhower, alta loma, AB Miller.., All those schools were once great, now look at them. Now you got Los Osos, Colony, Kaiser, Summit, Redlands East Valley and list goes on. You take a brand new school with a good coach…I mean parents want the new facilities, books computers…etc… Their are 3 areas dominating so cal FB…South OC, Corona/Temecula area, and Ventura area…Thats it. The issue is that there are more new schools everywhere. Cheaper homes and or better homes and Developing nieghborhoods in the inland empire. Families are attracted to those areas… Look at the gang issue that have killed the Pasadena and monrovia area and the cities surrounding. Who Can afford to live in Arcadia? Why not move to Corona or temecula and pay $100,000 less for your home. How about the community support, how many people are actually active in their youth sports…How about community pride? you don’t see little kids in the endzone playing tackle football during games. When were kids, we could not wait to go to our local high school. Now kids and their parents, at the Duarte hawks or pasadena panthers or Arcadia indians or whoever, are dreaming of going to Charter oak, or Oaks Christian, Alemany or Moving to another city when their kids get to high school. I say blame yourselves, blame your boys who transfering thier kids out! I say get involved… I say pound your chest, and Scream” Mustang for Life” or “Wildcat for life”. What made The ol school Muir or Monrovia teams dope, was the fact that they were proud of their local public school. The felt like they could beat anyone…even if it wasn’t true, you could not tell us different. I say we should never have had this piece… Miguel what are you doing???? Do you think this helps us or hurts…We have kids reading this stuff too! I got a message for the West SGV and East SGV kids….Keep playing, hold your heads up…Football is still good in the SGV. We just need to play more preseason games outside the sgv, and get some wins thats all! Talk among yourselfs, stay together and play with your pop warner teammates, thats how you develope a winning tradition Stay up.

  • valley guy

    White Fang:
    Pasadena warrior gave you a list but he forgot a few players oh and not to mention their undefeated jv. team and their 5-1-1 freshmen team rosters is made up of more than half of kids from pasadena.
    1. Vernon Adams- starting QB
    2. Saladin McCullough- starting CB and RB
    3. Deron Smith- starting S
    4. CJ Washington- starting LB and RB
    5. Fred Wilfong
    6. Akeem Gonzales- starting Dl
    and all those that Pasadena warrior named are the heart and key to Alemany success on their freshmen team they have a QB name Alif Grayes who will be their starting qb next year on varsity and is from Pasadena the reason why i pointed him out is because he’s a freshmen that can play varsity football right now and was born and raised in Pasadena who has currently drawn big crowds just to watch the freshmen team man if you see how many people meet up at jackie robinson park every thursday just to see this kid play you would think its a concert or something going on. he draws more people from Pasadena alone then muir does to their varsity games.

  • Siantsr4real

    Nicely said, Mr Football

  • FBFan

    Dang Mr. Football! Where’s my pads? You got me PUMPED!!!!!! You hit it right on the nail. For some sad reason there is very little community pride these days and I think these blogs have something (a small something) to do with that.

    Look at all of these parents who come on the blogs and say: “Coach is an idiot for not playing my kid. I’m going to transfer him out and show everyone how stupid coach is.” Let’s teach our boys how to overcome adversity and become men.

  • This kills me

    First off all I want to speak on this from a personal point of view. It’s really dissapointing for die hard locals. Alot of people give their time freely to coach local kids. They do it for the love of the kids, but some do it because they want to make a difference in thier community, hoping that the local high school program will get good players. It kinda sucks when a local community puts years into developing a stars and quality young men, and have to watch our best go somewhere else and shine and be there best player. Now that community gets all the credit and recognition for being a factory. The local guy is stuck with what he’s got. The point is how can local schools keep a program, when the lose so many? Its like they use up the local resources, and then when thier kid makes a name for themselves, they bounce! If your kid was not so good, those same local coaches would embrace that kid all the way through, just because he is a local kid. The question is, would these private schools and power house transfer schools want your kid if he was not good? They are using you. They don’t care like that local support.

    Every City, Every town, has that one of Group of parents who live locally and played for the local high school, and send their kid to private schools or Schools in another town. Then they come around, bragging about how good their kid is and how good that school is. Then they diss the their old school. Then they Talk about how good they were at the local school 20 years ago. They talk about how things have changed and how they are not what they use to be…..and they are right! The difference is today, people are bussing your kids to the other school..That’s why your local school sucks. That’s whats change! See you people don’t understand that, your local kids make the Bishop Amats, the Alemany’s and Oaks christians of the world. What would they be with your kids? OK. listen, their is a small group of kids who have been in a perochial schools all their life, and are looking for that. Other kids are their becuase they can play ball. They really could care less about the education. Lets be honest…alot kids hop from school to school. Most Parents are not into tradition anymore, they are not into their own communities. They are into shopping around, looking for team they can step in on, and looking for a coach who going to promise thier kid a starting job. Lets be honest, my favorite teams are the home grown kids who put together a great team, a team 20 years from now they can talk about with childhood friends. Now days kids from the same neighborhood are 3 or 4 different schools. I can say I played on a team with all my childhood friends and youth football teammates and releatives….It’s something playing with guys you know all your life! I really wonder how a Alemany or Bishop Amat Class renunion is? I mean all those teammates are from different cities, I don’t know…I just think if you are bus your kid out of town, don’t come back braggin or dissin the local guys, becuase maybe your local high school would good instead of the other school, if you just stayed home!

  • Just a mom

    I have to agree with Mr Football. I saw Stang Fans posting as a comment on another posting and that was where it should have stayed. Too much negativity. I’m glad my son doesn’t read this stuff.

  • Huckster!!!!!!

    Mr. Football, That was nice! I’m feeling that….

  • Goldenarm

    To beat a better team you must believe you can.

    This is true of head to head match ups (especially true with linemen)… a bigger, stronger dude might beat you, but you fight each down as a separate war.
    You fight hard enough – some of those downs you will be the clear victor. The key is not to become down on yourself – and be willing to lay down all you got again and again.

    That why I was not a lineman….but also why I respect the position so much.

  • valley guy

    This kills me;,Mr Football;

    Man you guys hit it right on the nose. both of you guys are saying what needs to be printed in the newspaper a few times so parents and locals who’s packing up and leaving can read about themselves and how their taring our sports community down and our kids future class reunions down. not only that but also taking away the credit for the city and credit for our local pop warner coaches who took their time developing the kid. if we were to hold our pride up and stay where we were breaded at then our schools would have more support and our academics will rise. if we all stuck together like we do when our child is on a pop warner team looking out for one another and staying in contact with each other then in high school it’ll be hard for a child to mess up when he/she has more than just their parents looking out for them but instead it’ll be a whole community looking out for them.

  • The Stang Fan

    Interesting, good stuff here. A couple of things….

    When it comes to words, written and/or verbal, context is EVERYTHING. It is easy to pull a sentence out of someone’s paragraph and turn the statement on its head. WIth that said, I was not trying to put down or demean the young men who bust their a**es every week to play on Friday nights. If it was taking that way by any of those young men, you have my sincerest apologies. My comment on the state of WSGV football was simply a response to all of the haggling that took place on the PSN Top 10 thread, between fans of the WSGV schools. I didn’t submit it as an individual thread. Maybe it was a bit too negative for some, maybe it hit the nail on the head for others…either way it was just an opinion.

    However, some of the posts from other bloggers in response to my comment were awesome. Mr. Football, This Kills Me, Muir Alum, Goldenarm, theRealDeal, Reno, Valley Guy, and even the Huckster all bring up EXCELLENT points. I don’t necessarily agree with everything, but it certainly is nice to read some thoughtful opinions. I had to do a double take on This Kills Me’s post, because I had to convince myself that I DIDN’T write it. It’s so refreshing to hear another blogger bang that drum. And Mr. Football retorted my pessimistic post with outstanding optimism. Great post.

    There are many reasons why WSGV football isn’t comparable to that of other areas. The truth is, different communities have different issues…but the sooner those issues are acknowledged and addressed, the better off our programs will be. Like Mr. Footbal suggests, let’s stop talking about it and get our a**es out there to help. Good luck to the entire WSGV!!!

  • Mr Football

    The reason why I let off on this blog was because I felt like we were not getting good reporting. Miguel, I really hope you learn from doing a article like this. I brings out the worst in the SGV local die hards. Now that news papers are on the net, any recruiting coach can go in our newspaper and see this madness. The first thing a coach does is read the papers. Why would he stop in town to watch any of our games? If the West SGV is just crap, what would bet he point of have a west sgv Sports writer? Just put up the box scores.. Come on man. Anyone in thier right mind is not going to make themselves look bad, so why you paint this picture like west sgv sucks that bad, is strange to me. I mean you said that essay “Nail it”. Dude this is your area. You totally crapped on your top five… I believe in honest reporting, but for all those who support you and this blog, we need good stories, with positive spins. We still have some kids out there locally. I look around, and I see some D1 talent floating around. I am still kind of dissapointed with the “Deshawn Ramirez” peice. Despite a kids or school mistakes, lets give the good press. Check in with his coaches, see if he is turning it around! When you do a article, even if the teams sucks, talk about the one guy doing well…I mean you are going to have a west SGV all area team right. Start talking those guys. I am sure one of those guys are doing some good things. If you all went into detail about how many unsung under the radar kids in our area, with the same detail as these kid of stories, we just might get another kid a scholarship. We are counting on us to help our schools not hurt our schools. Lets go out there and start reporting on some talented sophmores and Juniors, at PHS and Monrovia. Lets build those guys reps up.

    Stang fan I know you are a die hard, people like you are great for this blog, Lets just frame ourselves a little better thats all.
    I am holding Miguel responsible!!! He is good tho. I think fustration got the best of us! We will get back…I believe!

  • New York

    Good stuff Mr. Football!

  • BigMLover

    In defense of Miguel, there have been many human interest stories that have made the presses…the story on Charlie Cimmarusti from Monrovia comes to mind.

    Fact is that there can’t be enough “feel good” stories. High school football is loaded with kids that make communities proud…we need to recognize and celebrate them. GREAT THREAD!

  • Mr footbll

    I am not bashing Miguel, he is a good writer! I just got a little upset. Thats all. I am just challenging for deeper coverage! There are lots of players to watch. Heres a few underclassman, I would like to know and see more about, If you know of any up and coming players throw there names out…let me know who to look out for?

    Muir
    Kevon Seymour (Jr. Seems to be all purpose guy?)
    tyquwan Glass( Jr. Is he related to the glass from Sherman oaks? Same name..lol)
    Denzel Talifero(Sophmore big kid 38 tackles)
    Laurence Lopez.(Soph HUGE 6-1 315)

    Arcadia
    Lagace( He is being covered)
    Myles Carr(He is covered)
    **what is the inside scoop over there? They have turn it around Big time**

    Pasadena
    Brandon Cox( Soph.Whats his progress like?)
    Is there any other talented youngsters to support him?

    Monrovia
    George Frazier(Soph.Seems to be the real deal at LB)
    Anthony Craft(Soph. He just caught a 60 yrd TD homecoming game)
    Ellis McCarthy(Jr. 11 Sacks this year)
    Beuno(he is covered)
    Isaac Miravet(So 6-3 240, HUGE KID)

    Temple City
    (I saw a nice story on them. Good JOB Miguel)

    San Marino
    (They had some drama. Star news did a great job. Whats up with Mooney…?)

    Maranatha
    Miguel Did the most Detailed Story Ever. I was great.. you just don’t see games like that every day…Thumbs up.

    Duarte
    Great story, Tip is a class act. Way to put pressure on thier administration!

    I am sure there is more, but I want The Die hards to start letting the SGV know who’s good in your city! Peace out!

  • frmr_stang

    On October 27, New York said:

    “What if Muir had a coach who develops offensive linemen and encourages a “hawg” culture and had ties to USC again? If that were the case (a coach like Mooney) I don’t think Stangfan would be as down on the current state of affairs.”

    New York:

    FYI–Muir had an on-campus history teacher last year and the year before, who was serving triple duty as the varsity OL coach and AD! In the 2 short years that he was there, he molded a bunch of throw-aways, especially some Mexican kids that none of the other coaches had given the time of day to before he arrived, into a solid OL group with sound fundamentals and a collective identity–the Muir “Trench Mob.” How did PUSD thank him–they laid him off at the end of the 2010 school year! I was really hoping this guy would end up as the HC because Muir needs an on-campus teacher/HC. I know line play and I visited Muir’s practices during the 2009-09 and 2009-10 seasons (hope that doesn’t give me away)and this guy was the real deal and the kids worked hard for him–not because he berated them like everybody’s favorite OC, Sims, but because the kids recognized that he was legit and understood that you have to give respect to get respect. He’s now coaching at Hoover and after Muir kicked their ass last week, ALL of the Muir players were huddled around this guy hugging him and shaking his hand–an opposing coach whose team they just slaughtered, not their own coaches. All I can say is we have some real geniuses running PUSD…

  • Pasadena Dad

    This kills me,

    I understand what you are saying about kids “staying home”, however, when it comes to the City of Pasadena it all boils down to “is my child going to get a better education at the local public high school or a private school?” I honestly believe most local families feel this way. Case in point, two years ago a local little league team had a great run well into the California State Championships. If this team had stayed together there is no doubt that one of the three large Pasadena High Schools would have been loaded with incredible talent. Most of the parents would have loved to keep this team together; however, with the state of our local schools, our parents were not willing to take that risk. All of these kids played year round baseball since the age of eight and most, if not all will do very well as freshmen this year. Unfortunately,these kids took their talents to Loyola, LaSalle, Maranatha, St. Francis, Harvard-Westlake, and Polytechnic. Education wise… can you blame them?

    Whether or not these kids excel in baseball, football, basketball, or soccer; until the PUSD improves their school system,we can all expect more of the same for years to come…..Sad but true!

  • Apache Joe

    Pasadena Dad,

    I can understand your sentiments toward the education. I still just don’t seem to see why Arcadia kids leave the AUSD when it is a nationally renowned district. Same goes for La Canada HS or even Crescenta Valley HS.

    I still talk to the men I played with in HS because we grew up together and share a bond that no one can ever take away from us. That is what football is about. The bond shared through the grinding, hard work that every dedicated player goes through. It forms bonds of friendship that stretch throughout lifetimes. It is really an unexplainable unless a person has experienced it.

  • this kills me

    @pasadena dad..
    Any dad would want the best for thier kid. I don’t blame the kids. I am sure you are good parent. I get a little tired of hearing “private schools provide Discipline” Stucture…etc.. All those values start in the home. If those values are taught, they will suceed anywhere. Now days parents think that if they send their kid somewhere else it is going to better over there. You are seeing more transfers yearly than we have ever seen. Whatever you are looking for can found inside of you. There are many valuable lessons learn when you don’t have everything at your finger tips. YOu learn how to improvise, be resourceful. you learn how to make the best of what you got. Those attributes carry over big time. Ok, you pay tuition every month to a private school. That same money you spending there, if you spend it on your child while attending a public school, you will get the same results. Private schools have tutors…could you not hire a tutor? Private schools have new computers…could you not invest in a new computer with educational software? Private schools may go on trips…could you not get up and take your child to a museum? Im just saying…I see kids with the latest phones, ipods, latest fashion, Xbox and playstation 3′s…Those funds could be used in a educational way… Now what can a sucessful person, give back to his or her community, if none stayed there. What incentive would a pasadena kid get believing someone, who left town and went to alemany. What community credibility would they have? My point is, if your kid could not play ball would he be at that private school? Would you value education that much, to pay that tuition if you are paying it now? If the answer is yes…then i can’t say nothing, but those schools got van pools and scholarships, and they got their hands on alot of local high schools talent. I am saying how hard have pasadena local parents been working to bring the schooling back? Has anyone formally complained to the district or the ADs, Regarding education and athletics? I have not seen anyone pickett the school board yet? Do locals even care? Last time i checked Algebra is Algebra, whether it is at PHS, Muir or la Salle? So you are saying that these kids would get bad grades if they went to PHS or Muir and the fact that they are at a private school, they all of a sudden have new abilities or smarter? I think that when parents send thier kids to private schools, They themselves are in a different mindset. They set Higher standards. The make their kid study harder. Why not demand that at the public school? In today’s world they can find a star player in Canada if he is good! Lance mitchell from muir got a scholarship and is doing well. Keon Bell got a ride. Hollis. Doesn’t tucker had a few getting out? Those guys could have packed it up, and went elswhere. They stayed and didn’t hurt them. The truth is Charter oak had more d1 scholarships than Bishop did last year? I think we given up on something so special, our communities. I would want to be a local legend, be a person who was attributed to bringing Muir back, or bringing PHS back, more than the guy, who went cross town! The thing is that local school want and will accept you no matter how good you are. Those same schools are not running around offering their schooling to inner city kids just because… I say that the city boils down to the people and what they want it to be. If those kids who had a deep run into the little league state championships, stayed local, balled up at Muir or PHS, got good grades, got drafted or a scholarship, that would lead to other kids wanting to play there. Now you got some tradition rolling, and slowly but surely things would turn around. But its a year end year out thing.

  • this kills me

    @pasadena dad..
    Any dad would want the best for thier kid. I don’t blame the kids. I am sure you are good parent. I get a little tired of hearing “private schools provide Discipline” Stucture…etc.. All those values start in the home. If those values are taught, they will suceed anywhere. Now days parents think that if they send their kid somewhere else it is going to better over there. You are seeing more transfers yearly than we have ever seen. Whatever you are looking for can found inside of you. There are many valuable lessons learn when you don’t have everything at your finger tips. YOu learn how to improvise, be resourceful. you learn how to make the best of what you got. Those attributes carry over big time. Ok, you pay tuition every month to a private school. That same money you spending there, if you spend it on your child while attending a public school, you will get the same results. Private schools have tutors…could you not hire a tutor? Private schools have new computers…could you not invest in a new computer with educational software? Private schools may go on trips…could you not get up and take your child to a museum? Im just saying…I see kids with the latest phones, ipods, latest fashion, Xbox and playstation 3′s…Those funds could be used in a educational way… Now what can a sucessful person, give back to his or her community, if none stayed there. What incentive would a pasadena kid get believing someone, who left town and went to alemany. What community credibility would they have? My point is, if your kid could not play ball would he be at that private school? Would you value education that much, to pay that tuition if you are paying it now? If the answer is yes…then i can’t say nothing, but those schools got van pools and scholarships, and they got their hands on alot of local high schools talent. I am saying how hard have pasadena local parents been working to bring the schooling back? Has anyone formally complained to the district or the ADs, Regarding education and athletics? I have not seen anyone pickett the school board yet? Do locals even care? Last time i checked Algebra is Algebra, whether it is at PHS, Muir or la Salle? So you are saying that these kids would get bad grades if they went to PHS or Muir and the fact that they are at a private school, they all of a sudden have new abilities or smarter? I think that when parents send thier kids to private schools, They themselves are in a different mindset. They set Higher standards. The make their kid study harder. Why not demand that at the public school? In today’s world they can find a star player in Canada if he is good! Lance mitchell from muir got a scholarship and is doing well. Keon Bell got a ride. Hollis. Doesn’t tucker had a few getting out? Those guys could have packed it up, and went elswhere. They stayed and didn’t hurt them. The truth is Charter oak had more d1 scholarships than Bishop did last year? I think we given up on something so special, our communities. I would want to be a local legend, be a person who was attributed to bringing Muir back, or bringing PHS back, more than the guy, who went cross town! The thing is that local school want and will accept you no matter how good you are. Those same schools are not running around offering their schooling to inner city kids just because… I say that the city boils down to the people and what they want it to be. If those kids who had a deep run into the little league state championships, stayed local, balled up at Muir or PHS, got good grades, got drafted or a scholarship, that would lead to other kids wanting to play there. Now you got some tradition rolling, and slowly but surely things would turn around. But its a year end year out thing.

  • Anonymous

    Muir’s current offensive line coach is way better than last year’s coach who is at Hoover. Jonathan Clinkscale was an All Star at Muir and for the Wisconsin Badgers. He even spent a little time with the Tampa Bay Bucs and he relates very well with the kids. They have got to keep this guy.

  • valley guy

    Pasadena Dad:

    Man your the perfect example of why people bash our school district. its not like muir or p.h.s hired some volunteers to teach english and math and you cant tell me that oh they dont have the curriculum to get your child to college because we all know they do. but it start with the parenting, the kids are the one’s who takes the test all the educated teacher’s who have degree’s can do is teach them, now thats when the parenting comes in, your child is a reflexion of you as a parent it shows in them what kind of home training is taking place if your child chooses not to listen to the teacher and fails the test then that should fall back on the parents and not the district or these teacher’s, that graduated from a four year university. a diploma is a diploma its equivalent to a g.e.d now days. in my opinion the reason why private school graduation percentage is higher than public schools is because aint no sane parent gone let their child fail when their paying all that money for them to go to school. so please parents stop with the bashing of school districts because that same teacher that was at muir or p.h.s can apply for a job at any private school and be teaching there to.

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  • Anonymous

    The reason why football in the WSGV is horrible is because Asians are more interested in academics, music and activities and not contact sports. The pressure to succeed in the classroom far exceeds the pressure to exceed on the playing fields. The WSGV is saturated with Asians, this has had a very positive effect on test grades but a very negative effect on Friday nights.

  • FB Einstein

    previous comment…

  • Goldenarrm

    Suggesting Asians can’t play football is like saying Americans can’t eat with chopsticks.

    It is a contributing factor, but not the death blow.

  • Bob Anon

    So many great points made.

    Let me quote Apache Joe one more time: “I still just don’t seem to see why Arcadia kids leave the AUSD when it is a nationally renowned district. Same goes for La Canada HS or even Crescenta Valley HS.”

    It breaks my heart to see all these kids not going to Muir or PHS. I understand the non-athletic reasons for doing do.

    To use PHS as an example, the current Temple City head coach started at PHS, and the current La Canada head coach was a teacher at PHS before coming to LC. So to the folks trashing the PUSD, there are some good teachers in the PUSD.

    Bob Anon
    PROUD LCHS graduate.

  • Mr Football

    you did not leave a name, please don’t blame the WSGV down year on Asains.. Thats a bad uninformed comment. Black kids, White kids, and “Asian” kids are losing or winning this year.Teams are losing are losing or winning this year. Let’s not bring race into this. Did you read the paper this morning? The Asain kid below is having one of the best seasons this year. All Valley Honors, he will get….

    In Temple City’s (offense): Joshua Simangunsong(Asian Decent) has taken the Rio Hondo League by storm. The 5-foot-8, 145-pound senior is a ground machine, to say the least. The talented running back has rushed for 859 yards and 10 touchdowns this season, and has rushed for at least 100 yards in four of the Rams’ five games. He’s scored at least one touchdown in each game and is coming off a remarkable 224-yard rushing performance with three touchdowns

  • TooEazy

    I don’t believe Anonymous stated that Asian’s can’t play football. It would be truly irresponsible to put those words in his/her mouth, when in actuality some of you are who the ones who wrote those words! I believe that what he was trying to say is that many Asian students do not play football, and because there has been an influx of Asians in certain areas that athletics has suffered as a result. In fact, there are many Asian’s that may want to play, however, they do not get the support from their parents. Football is not a global sport, such as basketball or baseball, and as a result many Asian parents do not see the need for their sons to play and possibly get hurt.

    Schools like Arcadia, Temple City, San Marino, and Rosemead are a few schools in the WSGV that have to deal with this issue. However, it does not mean that schools have never had Asian athletes that have excelled in the game of football. The beauty of High School Football is that you don’t need to be 6’4″ 270 and run a 4.3 forty to be a contributing factor and star on your team. All you need is heart, discipline, desire, and some balls to be a star. High school football is where the memories are at, and I wish all these young athletes the very best! Good luck tonight gentlemen.

  • Goldenarm

    The melting pot is upon us and has boiled over.

    It won’t ever go back to what it was, so you grab who you got and go. I don’t think FB Einstein intended his comments as a slur, but as a general summary of SGV demographics.

  • anonymous

    Isn’t Bueno a Filipino?

  • The Stang Fan

    This Kills me,

    Man, I don’t know who you are, but it sure is a PLEASURE reading your posts. Have you and I talked at a barbershop or coffee shop before?!?! I swear we are on the same wavelength on that topic. EXCELLENT points made bro….thanks!

  • Anonymous

    Nick is Itallian.

  • New York

    A common theme across the threads seems to be a lack of numbers in participation. Time and effort can fix that.

  • FB Einstein

    I didnt blame Asians on the lack of football talent in the WSGV. I simply said they do not come out to play football because academics are more important to them and their families. If white kids did not come out because they were more interested in chess then I would say white kids would rather play chess. Read the words and comprehend the meaning instead of contemplating what you are going to say in your next post. Read, think…read again if necessary, then think some more and respond if necessary. Its like listening…are your truly listening or just waiting to speak?

  • anon

    You’re both right. Bueno is Filipino and Italian.

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    This Kills me,

    I enjoyed reading your post and agree with your theories regarding tutors, computers, and school trips. Yes, this is all possible (and cost effective) if your choice is to send your child to any one of our local Pasadena public high schools. Many people do this and their children turn out just fine. That said, having attend public schools (L. A. City) for the first six years of my life and private schools for the final six, the one variable you can’t make up for is the chemistry and environment of a private school. You absolutely hit the nail on the head with your statement regarding discipline, structure, and values. These are undoubtedly learned in the home and as a parent, you hope are practiced and exhibited by your child in public. Of each and every private school that was listed(Loyola, LaSalle, Maranatha, St. Francis, Harvard-Westlake, and Polytechnic) if any student consistently misbehaves, acts-out, cuts class, or fails to make the grade, he/she is asked to find another school. Having this policy in place clearly provides for a healthy learning environment for all students. I know this because I lived it. That said, if every family “stepped it up” and provided the same sound disciplinary structue in the home, public schools would be a much better place for all of our children to learn. Unfortunately, there are many families who do not or will not. Until then, private schools remain the only viable option for parents who are fortunate enough to afford it or have a gifted child who is offered a scholarship.

  • valley guy

    Pasadena Dad:
    SHUT UP!!!!!!

  • Think a Bit

    Valley Guy,

    Did you get your feelings hurt because pasadena guy did not repond to your post or did it make too much sense for you?

  • Anonymous

    valley guy-

    if you have children i hope you are teaching them better manners than you showed in your last post. rudeness and lack of class are learned behaviors. be careful if you have kids they might be watching you.

  • valley guy

    Think a Bit: and the Anonymous guy:

    SHUT UP TO!!!!! im tired of reading grown men write show some class. this is a blog….grow up if i want to tell someone to shut up then im going to and i dont care if anyone responds to my post i see you two idiots did. who cares what people say its not like im using profanity or calling anyone out of their name and for someone to tell someone to show some class hey i guess you showed me what class is with your responses.

  • Anonymous

    valley guy,

    Listen to pasadena dad! you sound like one of those parents who refuses to “step it up” in your comment you said “a child is a reflection of their parents”. I hope you don’t have kids!

  • Anonymous

    Wow, I have not been on for awhile but the “song remains the same” about local teams. Poor coaches, poor schools, poor leadership, take your pick. Mix and match whatever combo a fits your schools, whatever we tolerate we become a part of.

  • new cats fan:

    Lol @valley guy:

    Man you and the Realist might be the most crap talking bloggers ever man you guys don’t give a crap about anything. all you two does is bash everyone post and people still respond to you guys. PEOPLE PLEASE STOP RESPONDING TO THE REALIST AND VALLEY GUY THEY JUST LIKE TO BASH AND ARGUE EVERYTHING. I TAKE MY HAT OFF TO YOU TWO BUT REALLY ITS GETTING OLD.

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    valley guy-

    i bet you went to continuation school huh?

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  • This Kills me

    Stang Fan thanks for the kind words! If you are 27-33 years old you may have played against me! You may have seen me play, you may just know me from around the way. Or even coach with or against me… But, I excelled in WSGV play recieved a few awards! Top 1,2, or 3 in a particular statistical catogegory. But I am like batman, I will remained unknown for now! But I try to write without insulting any one, and i like to be unbias.

  • Mr Football says…

    I just wanted to bring up something no on has thought about…

    Could the reason WSGV Football is down is because of coaching changes and other factors? Demographics did not hurt more than these factors

    West SGV Powers
    Monrovia- Coach has been there only 3 years
    Muir- New coaches
    Pasadena High-new coaches
    Maranatha- new Division
    St Francis- new league

    San Marino- new coaches past 2-3 years
    Temple City-New coaches past 2-3 years
    Arcadia-Same coach -Demographics

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    what did i do wrong???

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