When will the Daily News Learn?

LADWP is not a typical city-owned entity. They play in a high margin, regulated monopoly market. The wage parity is issue can never be resolved because of this and the other city units are simply using the meaningless fact that DWP is a city agency, like theirs, to create false legitimacy for their own wages to be raised.

The article is additionally innacurate because DWP has not hired significantly in almost 15 years, so of course their average salaries are going to be higher- the average employee has been there a much longer time than their city counterparts and their workforce is top-heavy. Just a few weeks ago in fact, the Daily News ran a story of DWP's aging workforce.

Even further, DWP must have competitive wages in certain high-demand classes, such as linemen, to retain skilled personnel.

And lastly, it's a joke that the City Council is worried about saving money after caving in to the fraudulent lawsuit brought by fireman Tennie Pierce with a $2+ Million dollar SETTLEMENT for being fed dogfood.

What should be done about it? The city council should stop awarding $2M to each firefighter who gets fed dogfood.

The DWP plays in a high-margin, regulated monopoly industry. It is not at all like other city departments.

Those city employees wants to use the irrelevant fact that DWP is also a city agency to create pressure to boost their own salaries.

And of course DWP is going to have higher salaries- they haven't hired in about 15 years. That makes for a company filled with high seniority people, and likely is top-heavy.

Lastly, they have to compete for in-demand jobs such as linemen and must pay relative to the electric utility industry scales, not city ones.

Maybe one decade soon, the Daily News will finally get this fact and put other articles on their front pages.

I think its horrible that you would invade people's privacy by publishing their names and salaries as part of your article. How dare you! Did each one of these employees sign off on this? I hardly think so. What right do you have to open up these people's lives to public examination. The workers can only accept the salary or quit and find work elsewhere. It's the union / bargaining unit and the city leadership that negotiate the salaries of all city employees. Now that you've invaded their privacy, I think that they are all underpaid for the type of harassment that they are going through. How much is privacy worth? Did any city worker agree to give up his/her privacy when they came to work? Hardly!

Excellent story, Daily News. This is one of the few newspapers in the entire country that still does objective investigative stories that attempt to keep the government honest.

Obviously, there's no justification for these grossly excessive salaries to DWP employees. And it's not just LADWP employees, surrounding public utilities are also vast wastelands of excess at the expense of ratepayers. From generous salaries and benefits, to helicopters, to new, fancy cowboy boots with steel toes for supervisors, to vast abuses of overtime charges, to garishsly expensive buildings and fountains, the list goes on as to how DWP wastes ratepayer dollars.

See, they know that they have no competition. We lowly ratepayers are their wage slaves. They know the boards and city council won't stop their demands for rate increases.

The problem, as usual, is with the bureaucrat labor unions. In the case of DWP, it's the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers -- which doesn't just cover electricians and linemen, but supervisors, clerks, engineers, accountants, mail boys, janitors, etc. This is a powerful, wealthy and active union which works hard and spends a lot of money to support the election of policians they're certain will approve the rate and tax increases that ensure these wage and benefit excesses with little or no oversight and interference. Until the public demands removal of these unions from jobs in the public sector, we will continue to see stories like these in the Daily News and only be able to shake our heads in disgust for decades to come ... as these overpaid and underworked bureaucrats laugh all the way to the bank and their early retirements.

And I'll address the two messages above. Firt Razor. You're right about "high margin" -- the IBEW has milked this industry for everything that it's worth. Don't forget to add that this is an industry that doesn't allow consumer choice ... we've been made to be completely dependent on the local utility. Electricity and water aren't cable television, we can't live without them. And we are not given the option to purchase them elsewhere. As for the old union propaganda of needing these grossly excessive wages and benefits to "retain the most skilled," hogwash. Most of these skilled laborers are trained by the utility at ratepayer expense even as they earn a decent wage for receiving the free training!!! Admit that you pay the cronies (usually kids of IBEW members) who receive lucrative DWP jobs and then actually pay them to receive free job training. Paying 10%-50% beyone comparable market salary rates isn't necesssary to retain people. DWP doesn't even lay people off or fire people other than in extremes. As you admit, these people don't go anywhere until their retirements kick in for life at the ripe old age of (what is it now, 50?).

To wee_jimmy whining about names being published. First, the pay scales of public employees are, rightfully, public information. Second, what are you so afraid of ... that the public will be disgusted? We can only hope that they finally are because we pay for this nonsense.

A huge part of the problem is the incestuous relationship between DWP and City management and staff. If you talk to City employees, including political staff in the council and mayor's offices, you know that they drool about going to work for DWP where they can do the same or less work for more money. The head of DWP was CAO in the City. At least one council member worked for the DWP during his hiatus from council deputy to elected councilman.

The DWP has large amounts of money available for council districts and pet projects. If you want to talk about lobbyists, the DWP is the most well-connected, deep-pocketed lobbyist in the City.

So our elected leaders have no inclination to fight against whatever the DWP wants.

A thorough investigation of the money flow and job flow might prove interesting.

And, by the way, wee_jimmy, yes you public employees do give up the right to pay privacy when you work for the City or the DWP. In return you have outlandish pay and benefits and unlimited job security. Too bad.

The truth is lmntary.

For those of you who've never been close enough to live wires to hear them hum, or worked 40 to 100 feet off the ground let me give you a few clues. Electricity over 6,000 volts can jump up to an inch per 1,000 volts in dry air. The little lines at the top of the pole can carry up to 120,000 volts, the ones that feed the transformers carry 12,000 and your street lights run on between 6,000 and 7,600 volts. It takes less power to light a 25 watt light bulb than it does to kill a healthy person. Lineman expose themselves to hazards daily that would make any of the whiners in here wet themselves. (greatly increasing their exposure to shock) They work higher and deeper than most folks would go and you almost never know they're there. Now I'm no fan of the top heavy politically driven management of the DWP that's been using utility rates to circumvent Prop 13 for a generation; but before you whine about the IBEW workers making $100,000 a year (with overtime), climb that pole in the rain to restore service while the power's still on after you've already put in 11 hours that day. Or visit a friend in the hospital as they recover from the internal burns caused by electrocution; then you can complain about what hard working service people earn. Until then; when you turn on that light, you might thank an electrician.

Before we go after the salaries of people who actually work for a living, let's stop Mayor Villaraigosa and the City Council from using the DWP to impose taxes on us without the required two-thirds vote.

City Hall operates the DWP at a "profit," and transfers the excess money -- hundreds of millions of dollars of YOUR money -- into the general fund, where they then squander it on subsidies for cronies.

That, to me, is a higher priority than going after a painter, chemist or locksmith who makes a few hundred dollars more per year than his counterpart in another City department.

Walter Moore
Candidate for Mayor
WalterMooreForMayor.com

Before we go after the salaries of people who actually work for a living, let's stop Mayor Villaraigosa and the City Council from using the DWP to impose taxes on us without the required two-thirds vote.

City Hall operates the DWP at a "profit," and transfers the excess money -- hundreds of millions of dollars of YOUR money -- into the general fund, where they then squander it on subsidies for cronies.

That, to me, is a higher priority than going after a painter, chemist or locksmith who makes a few hundred dollars more per month than his counterpart in another City department.

Walter Moore
Candidate for Mayor
WalterMooreForMayor.com

A word for "truth must be told". while you're advocating the publication of personal information long held as private in our society; you hide behind a pen-name.. Kinda calls to question everything else you have to say... Just for the record; "nuttincowboy" is Michael Snyder. It's easy to blast others in anonymity, it takes the courage of your convictions to stand and be recognized.

I happen to think like Walter Moore and suppor his mayoral candidacy. However, describing the overpaid bureaucrats at DWP as "people who actually work for a living" is a bit of a stretch. While these $70K per year painters and locksmiths make a "few hundred dollars per month more than his counterpart at city hall," they BOTH are earning MUCH more than their private sector counterparts. How many industrial painters and lockmiths do you know making this kind of money? This is practically unskilled work. And while I agree with Mr. Moore about the additional problem of excessive utility taxes and transfers to the general fund -- it's ALL our money, including this wasteful, unjustified coddling of utility employees, and it must all be brought under control.

To the fellow above waxing poetically about the extreme danger of electricity, they've got plenty of safeguards in place and the risk doesn't justify paying linemen so much more than cops and firefighters who face equal, if not more, risks and dangers.

First of all, how much are you willing to pay someone that risks their life working around energized high voltage equipment day in and day out. Being called at any time for equipment failure. The positions that are being scrutinized and attacked aren't even representative of the work primarily done by the workers. It's called Water and Power. These people work hard to maintain equipment that's aged and has been there since Mullholland was sucking his thumb. Why don't you do a documentary on the life of a dispatcher, or linemen, the people that comprise the higher paid bracket. These people aren't paid enough.

Actually, cop and firefighter don't even make the top ten of dangerous occupations. Lineman does.

A word for nuttincowboy: I don't work in the public sector nor for the DWP so my name is irrelevant. I'm not so foolish to expose myself to the real danger of union slob harassment. You're not risking anything by exposing yourself as a supporter of your union "brothers." Blogging in anonymity is not only sensible, it allows for the truth to be exposed. So stuff it.

Dear "Truth must be told, Clearly you've never engaged in a building project more complicated than hanging your Xmas lights. It's easy to look at a computer screen (powered by that electrical grid you so despise) and pontificate to the masses. Police and Firemen/women face hazards just as linemen do, and if you compare wages at different skill levels and overtime you will find a level of parody. The safeguards in place for linemen are no more effective than a bullet proof vest on a policeman. You have to sacrifice a level of protection in order to get the job done. If you want to take aim at the bureaucrats that infest every level of government, I'm right beside you. Take aim at the people who are actually "gettin' it done" and I'll be the first in your face.

I would like to thank the idiots at the Daily News and it's supporters (Truth Mustbetold) for exposing me to Identity theft and fraud. Yes, you do have the right to post the jobs and their salaries, but not our names. I am a lineman and I deserve every thing I have earned. What you at the Daily News earn is none of my business. But out of fairness you should post the names and salaries of all your employees so that the public can see where their hard earned subscription money is going.

Juanski

nuttincowboy: The only thing you've put in my face is union propaganda and nonsense. The only thing your union brothers are "gettin' it done" is a raping of ratepayers that's gone on far too long. While you union bureaucrats are socking it to the public and taking ridiculously early retirements -- the majority of the public can barely afford to keep the electricity on and put food on the table. The soldiers in the American military face FAR more danger and make FAR less than IBEW painters, customer service clerks, locksmiths, and yes, your beloved electricians (many of whom aren't touching lines but are working on control boards in power plants, repairing radios, etc). The time has come for ratepayer and taxpayer revolts.

Juanski: I know you're terrified of the public knowing how much you're overpaid at our expense ... but it's public information and deservedly so. Get used to it, this will continue until we get this waste under control. BTW, the Daily News is a private business; not a government entity. Big difference.

Is seams the Department of Water and Power demand huge rate increases so they can issue $300+ million annual bribes to the City Councilman who approved those same rate increases to fill their own pockets.

At the same time these same overpaid City Councilman after receiving the DWP bribe show their support by raising DWP workers pay above other workers.

It clearly shows it's easy to buy the LA City Council people and DWP has learned to do it with the taxpayer's money.

Stop the illegal tax now and ban payments from DWP of our money to the City Council.

Truth must be told, It must be lonely in your little Marxist corner of the world. Assume is spelled Ass-U-Me and it seems you do a lot of that. I'm not a union member, I'm a Contractor. An independent small business owner who lives day to day on his reputation and acumen. I fear no reprisals because I speak the truth. Now I'd bet if you ever had a job, much less one where you worked for a lifetime, you'd want to see a pension as well. Your final comment to the lineman who posted a genuine and fair response to the public's right to know shows you for who you really are...

nuttincowboy: Marxism falls in the realm of unionism ... another bit of education for you. I know socialists twists facts and language, but try to keep it straight. I'll guarantee you that as one who publicly supports this raping of the ratepayers by the corrupt politicians and the union bureaucrats -- you somehow profit it from it yourself, either through marriage, family, or through receiving jobs for your contracting business via your unions contacts. You fear no reprisal because you're union sychophant who profits from the cycle of corruption and back room glad handing. You're right I have exposed who I am -- a defender of public fairness from a culture or corruption and excess in the bureaucracy that has gone on far too long. I'm not ashamed of that at all. But you should be ashamed at your self-interested, greedy attempt to keep that sleezy culture thriving for your benefit at the expense of the majority of the hard working public.

If these bureaucrats insist on burdening the rate and tax payers with these excessive wages and ripoffs like abusing overtime, sick leave, and workers compensation, then the public must at least demand the highest quality employee. This should require that any strike clauses be eliminated and more leverage be given to the public to terminate and lay off poor performing bureaucrats. In addition, all those positions requiring advances skills and education should be verified to ensure that those qualifications are really held, and all personnel holding jobs that risk public and personal safety should receive regular, unannounced blood and urine tests to verify that they aren't under the influence of drugs and alcohol. Furthermore, more background checks are needed with ethics clauses that result in the termination of felony law offenders. Then, maybe the public will finally receive the "brightest and best" that we're already paying for.

Truth must be told, Please refer to my previous post... Again spelled Ass-U-Me...

Where to start? I have been an employee for the DWP for 20 years now, I remember in 1991 or 1992 bringing electrical lines across your building (Daily News in Woodland Hills) and having lightning strike a pole not 150 feet from me, while restoring power to your business. And what about last years heat storm working during the heat of the day when it was about 113 degrees, and helping the linemen to restore power where it is lost. Also did we hear anything about the patrolman who was killed in the line of duty or the 2 electrical craft helpers who where seriously burned and had to go the burn center...humm..nope. Lets talk about your way of REPORTING the news, your headlines on your paper on the 24th or 25th states "Firefighter gets 1.43 million", and two days later in the EDITORS COMMENTS in the back of the front part of the paper. It is stated $490,000 to Firefighter and $2 million to lawyers. So which is it? The Truth that is! Now if this sounds like whining perhaps it is but I have had enough of your ill advised comments over the years. Oh by the way genius its ratepayers NOT taxpayers. Overpaid I dont think so, maybe if the worst I received was a PAPER CUT doing my job.

We are always looking for a few good men and women that can perform up to the standard set by DWP and if you have the skills or training the file for that job and good luck. Thanks daily news for getting this information out so we can find a few more linemen. We just lost one of our brother to a fatal accident and we need some new brave hard working men to met the chalange

It's funny to see the DWP people's pathetic attempts to justify their exorbitant salaries which are WAY out of line with comparable jobs in the private sector. Did everybody know that in the age of pension debt, DWP employees retire with 90% of the average of their TOP 3 salary years? And why does the DWP need to spend $$ advertising? - YOU'RE A MONOPOLY!

How unsurprising that the union bullies are pulling out the guns to lob shots at the messenger who simply provided a fact filled story. See, this is the kind of information they and the politicians have been attempting to keep quiet for many years. At the same time they spend millions on media propaganda in which they combined efforts with other unions and put up crying cops and firemen sobbing and lying about how underpaid and overworked all our "public servants" are when the governor requested that the voters give him some authority to get this corrupted system under control. It's these unions and their political prostitutes that have turned this state and this city into the sad mess that it is.

If you are outraged about the salaries, then here's more.

Many, many of these employees make overtime which adds 10%, 20% 40% sometimes 50% to the base salary.

Hey Daily News: Now it is time to publish last year's W-2 gross income.

Oh my goodness, you mean they make more....the pay is 30 to 40% more with overtime, Wow i want one of these hard jog even if i have to work for a living i want one. Better than being a crying Daily New Reporter that only makes 45,000 per year and cant fix a burnout light bulb

I have a feeling that was a DWP or union stooge that wrote the blog "When will the Daily News Learn?" Because if you believe that I have swamp land in Florida that I would like to sell you.The blog was DWP management or union propaganda.
Anyways, DWP is extremely top heavy. However, there is a major shortage of people that actually do work. There are so many supervisors & managers and there is no clue as to what they do except constantly attend meetings or go on junkets to attend utility conferences at vacation resorts. They have no useful function whatsoever. If you go into their offices, they are like museums. (family pictures, souvenirs from utility junkets, etc.) There is no sign of any kind of work that would ruin the decor. These people are paid well over $100,000 and provide no service to the ratepayers. And with regard to the DWP city attorney, they seem to be for display only. They are always hiring outside counsel for the least little litigation. Their main function seems to be make sure their office are the sized correctly according to their rank (assistant city attorney's office are bigger then deputy city attorney's)

Good grief! In just one search of the database I found customer service reps earning from $50K to $85K per year and a GARDNER earning $51K per year! These outrageous salaries are earned along with generous vacation plans, guaranteed overtime, clothing allowances, free dry cleaning, gym memberships, free shoes, and other insane giveaways as well as one of the most generous retirement plans in the country. Absolutely disgusting. Their salaries and benefits could be frozen for over a decade and they'd still be far ahead of private sector counterpart jobs.

Truth must be told, when is your next unemployment check due?? It must be hard, drinking your latte and lambasting everybody who's achieved a level of professional success. You demand concessions you would never tolerate, and you cloak your self in the mantel of a public servant. Finally you lurk in your little corner, hiding behind your pen-name laying out grandiose plans for everyone else's life. If you used this forum to expose bureaucratic waste you might be worthy of some respect. As it is you take aim at the very people who make your cushy lifestyle possible. What you really need is a job.

As a new homeowner, this is my experience with DWP...I moved to Westchester(LAX)2 years ago. During that period, my DWP bill continues to rise, yet my water and electric usage has been consciously reduced(EnergyStar, low-flush, lowE, etc...). The last time my meter was read was about a year ago. I asked a few of my neighbors(elderly might I add) and they too mentioned that their meters have not been read in awhile nor even seen a DWP employee walking the neighborhood.
Thank you for bringing such waste and senselessness to light, and let's continue to shine the spotlight on this "business" of theirs.

How dare the Daily News to publicly give out salaries of employees of the DWP. My husband is amongst those listed and NEVER gave his permission to post his salary. Ever hear about confidentiality? This totally negates the whole article that was written. I think the article is completely biased. Because you have to pay high water rates, you expose the EMPLOYEES of the company???? This makes no sense! My husband has worked for the DWP for 26 years, he has no control over what he makes, he puts in his hours, gets his paycheck and we still BARELY get by, like most of us here in California!!! The issue is the REST of the companies in L.A. THEY should be paying their employees more money to stay in line with the cost of living in this god forsaken state!!! DWP is on the right track, just remember when we deregulated the water and power????? We had major issues! To be fair, what is your salary Mr. Author?????

The DWP employees and their supporters here show a typical lack of concern for rate payers in L.A. and even deny any responsibility for the excesses that have been happening there for too long. One clown, Nuttincowboy even takes credit for the "cushy" lives we Angelenos live and claims it's this price gouging by the DWP monopoly that allows us to have it so good. LOL! BTW, NothingCowboy, I am not a "public servant" making my living on the backs of taxpayers, I work in private industry and you haven't contributed a damn thing to what I've achieved through hard work. And shut your pie hole about exposing my identity so that you can send some union goons to do your dirty work, you crook. I'll check out the name you claim to be to determin if you're doing business with the city of Los Angeles. You need to be more closely looked at to determine how close you are to the decision makers and how you use or abuse those connections for your company, Michael Snyder. Others are terrified of having their salaries exposed even though it's public information because it's the public that pays them. They want to keep this a secret because they know of the public outrage that will be generated by exposing stuff like city gardeners making over $50k per year just in base salary. Another claims outrage because they "barely get by" on their outrageous DWP salary. I guess they can't afford to purchase a third home in Big Bear or some other luxury they think they deserve for all their "hard work" for us greedy rate payers tired of inflated utility bills. She even has the nerve to insult California as a "god forsaken" state for its generosity in employing her husband for 26 years. Pathetic.

I wonder how much money Ron Kay (editor), and Beth Barrett (staff writer) make. It's truly none of my business. But maybe it's my business how much people in those positions make. I don't need to know their names. My understanding is that the DWP jobs are stressful and difficult, and turnover rate is pretty high. Can you imagine putting up with every single person in Los Angeles, and their complaints? I sure wouldn't want their jobs. They deserve to be well paid so that good people can keep our utilities functioning.

Man, the union propagandists are out in force. Look at this bit of forced nonsense, "My understanding is that the DWP jobs are stressful and difficult, and turnover rate is pretty high. Can you imagine putting up with every single person in Los Angeles, and their complaints? I sure wouldn't want their jobs. They deserve to be well paid so that good people can keep our utilities functioning." LOL!! I couldn't stop lauging when I read that. Those poor DWP clerks have it so much harder than the rest of us working stiffs because they have to listen to the people who pay their salaries complain about their price gouging. Sob!! Whine!!

The Daily News is a private business and their salaries are none of your business. But from what little I know of journalist salaries, many are probably not even in the neighborhood of a DWP customer service clerk. DWP positions are paid by utility rates (a form of public tax) and must therefore answer to the public with full disclosure. Isn't it telling how panicked they are by their salaries being made public? Might that be because they know that they don't deserve what they're paid and because they know they've been milking the system? Are they afraid that the gravy train is going to make fewer stops? We can only hope ...

Truth must be told, Why are you so threatened by people standing up for their privacy? What about a workers right to fair compensation threatens you so that you need to publicly promise a campaign of personal harassment? Somehow you seem to forget most people actually work through their careers. Jobs are not a gift; you have to produce something for a pay-check. What is it about paying your bills that so outrages you? Why do you need to hide behind a cape shaped handle while attacking the character of hard working folks you don't know. You won't reveal your name, yet you not only condone gross invasions of privacy; you threaten such attacks upon people who have no connection to the public sector. I hope when the good people of the DWP hire a lawyer to seek recompense for the Daily News' outrageous invasion of privacy they include you in their action. As for me, your uneducated remarks boarder on slander & I'd caution you to beware of the accusations you cast about in such a public forum.

NothingCowboy: Take your silly threats and accusations and stuff them where the sun don't shine. I'm on to you.

Truth be told; Perhaps a little anger management therapy with your next bottle of chardonnay?

Truth be told: Perhaps a little anger management therapy with your next bottle of chardonnay?

Boy you've really done it now Daily News. Sure you have a right to post the worker's classes and salaries under Public Records act, but not their names. I hope the 8000+ employees who work at LADWP file a class action law suit and sue your pants off and put you out of business!

First, you choose to print hype and lies about how LADWP gouged the state during the CA energy crisis and rolling black outs in northern CA.

Truth is you failed to mention when LADWP supposedly richocheted power to get a higher price, that their transmission lines run from Sylmar, CA to Celilo, OR with no stopping points in between and BTW the CA ISO set the higher price and at that time LADWP was heralded as heroes by their quick action to keep the lights on in N. CA.

Then, you deliberately reported lies about the Voices for a Green LA concert VIP reception where a soda was priced at $18, but failed to mention the audit that you got that information from clearly stated the ENTIRE event was UNDERWRITTEN by Green LA sponsors, like Coca Cola, not ratepayers.

Now you are printing LADWP salaries without mentioning that LADWP has 30% lower rates than the rest of the investor-owned utilities in the state and its salaries are competitive with Glendale, Burbank, Pasadena, SCE, PG&E, and SDG&E and other utilities across the nation. Not to mention, most of these utilities also raised rates a lot more than LADWP this past year.

Here's another fact, the average LADWP worker is over 40 and has had several promotions to earn the higher salaries you so boldly printed.

You could also print the Truth that LADWP hasn't had a rate increase in 15 years and has been trying since 1997 to gradually raise rates but the action continued to get voted down by the Mayor and City Council until now there is no choice but raise the rates.

Here's a fact, LADWP is down 100 lineman. It is a nationwide epidemic. Since voters no longer want to pay for vocational training in schools,high school graduates are not going into the trades and there is a huge lack of skilled workers coming into utilities to risk their lives to keep the lights on. So now, LADWP linemen get to work 16 hour shifts two weeks at a time and since 40% of linemen are eligible to retire in 5 years or less the problems is going to get worse.

Or the fact that the reason the blogger above's meter didn't get read, is because there is a huge shortage of skilled meter readers at LADWP so routes are skipped.

Yes, Daily News, you can encourage the citizens to put pressure on the politicians to vote down the rate increase, but the result will be 40% of LADWP workers will retire in the next 3-5 years, outages will be longer because of less people to respond, outages will be worse because of aging equipment, and some day LADWP will have to raise the rates and spend even more money fixing the infrastructure. The city has put if off for 15 years--how much longer can this aging system take???

Thank God, most intelligent, well-read, educated people and customers of LADWP recognize the Daily News is no more than a Tabloid paper meant to line litter boxes and realize that they'd rather raise rates and have reliable power and water with a fully-staffed work crew than outages, leaks, and injuries because the politicians put off another essential rate incresae.

Truth Mustbetold: IDIOT. Nice string of logical falacies. Yes, salary scales are public information. The Daily News could have published a story that said Mechanics make X and Clerks make Y and so forth. It's entirely another thing to say that John Galt, Engineer, makes Z. In the world of easy identity theft, this is inexcusable. It's because of idiots like the Daily News, and you, that it costs more for me to work in this city. Why? Thanks to you, the Daily News, and on-line databases, I have to purchase ID Theft Insurance. Where in any Civil Service Class description does it state that personal info may be published by a collectivist leaning news paper? Where does it state that one's personal life is subject to the whims of every rate payer? Where does it state that in order to be employed in public service I must be subject to harassment from the media and the public. It doesn't. Ease up on the envy. Try something constructive and stay out of private citizens' personal lives. The next time the power or the water goes out in your neighborhood, go out an thank the workers who come and fix the problem. Offer them a cup of coffee or a cold drink. Everyone's a critic ... until they need help.

I don't mind that my salary is available to the public. I want everyone to see what I have been paid for the past 6 months, to sit at home, watch tv, and enjoy my diet iced tea. I am a Black employee with 22 years of service, who was taken off of the job 6 months ago, because the DWP management does not want to discipline a White employee who called me racial names and physically assaulted me - in front of supervision! Then, paid all that money to force me to see 3 different shrinks, who found absolutely nothing wrong with me.

I am not the first ethnic employee to undergo such unethical and discriminatory actions, and will not be the last. Why am I still here? Because God knows that I have earned every benefit that will be mine when I retire.

Note to DWP Management: I am still here and am still strong!

Thanks for the article. I would point out that many of you who are disappointed when Union workers earn a higher wage will still go to the polls and vote for candidates who are being bought by these same unions! If you want to do something about unfair bargaining at tax payer expense, then for god sakes stop voting for candidates who feed off it. It is silly to complain about this when the majority of California voters are, in fact, at the heart of this problem.

I think this article failed to mention that these people don't pay Social Security taxes because they're in their own, publicly funded tax system. So you can add 7.65 percent take home pay for these folks. So, ffectively, the General Manager Ron Deaton, who is on medical leave, rakes in $370,988 rather than $344,624 a year reported. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Of course the salaries are public information. They're all PUBLIC employees who work for ME and YOU. It's YOUR money.

Truth MustBeTold, you are a troublemaker at best. You and the others who complain about DWP's exhorbitant wages DO NOT PRESENT ANY INFORMATION OF YOUR OWN.

You, your kind, and the "DailyScrews" are comparing utility industry worker wages to City Worker Wages- HARDLY SCIENTIFIC.

Any INTELLECTUALLY HONEST person would compare utility workers wages to utility workers wages.

You are obviously NOT intellectually honest, which makes you and your comments a WASTE OF TIME.

You are also UNINFORMED in that you would have known about the great demand the industry has for linemen. DWP has had a problem of the HIGHER PAYING public utilities, such as SCE, PAYING MORE and taking their TRAINED WORKERS.

So I suggest you go to some anger management seminars, math refresher classes and replace your emotion with ration.

I have my own gripes about pay scales. I worked for DWP as an electrical engineer for nine years and then left for another agency, so one could argue that my views are somewhat biased. Nevertheless, I would like to share them.

· Most police officers and fireman make well over $100,000/yr with a modest amount of overtime. I see plenty of BMWs and Mercedes with those stupid fire hat stickers.

· Someone I know has an auto body repair shop. He has to pay his body men over a $100,000/yr to take dents out of all those BMWs and Mercedes. You don’t have to go through four years of apprenticeship (utility lineman) or four years of intense schooling (engineers) to be a policeman, fireman or auto body worker.

· I understand that In-N-Out hamburger stand managers make $150,000/yr and up, a lot more than your average utility lineman, or most engineers, for that matter. This is a hamburger stand, for Christ’s sake. I don’t think you need much training for this, but I could be wrong. It may be much easier to go into a high-voltage manhole in the middle of the night and splice a cable inches away from energized power lines than it is to stand near that hot burger grill all day and reorder patties and buns. That potato chopper thing looks pretty intimidating, too.

· It costs a lot of money to live in Los Angeles. Does the Dailey News staff live in a commune, or what? Do they really think $100,000/yr is an outrageous sum for highly skilled utility workers and highly educated engineers?

· DWP’s rates are among the lowest in California. Ask someone who owns a house with an air conditioner in SCE’s service area what they pay per kilowatt-hour.

· The comparison of the salaries of City tree surgeons with DWP tree surgeons is laughable. One would think there is a difference between the job duties of someone who trims trees inches away from high-voltage power lines and someone who trims trees around swings sets and basketball courts in parks. The last time I checked, swing sets don’t kill you instantly if you touch them.

· Utilities all over the country are lamenting the shortage of engineers and skilled workers. The reason is that there are a lot of easier occupations for a reasonably intelligent person to get into that pay the same or more than utility engineering or line work.

I think the Daily News is whining because the Internet is taking away so much of their business and putting pressure on their salaries. Who better to lash out at than the ubiquitous DWP, the agency that has contributed more to the growth and economic stability of LA than any other organization in the city’s history.

1. If you are a public employee, your salary (name included) is public info. Posting this database will not open you up to identity theft. You can bet DWP only provided information that state law mandates they provide. Don't like it? Write to Arnold.

2. Right on Daily News. I've been waiting to see some of this information since the court ruled a month ago. Here are a few follow-up ideas: Is there really aging electrical equipment? I bet there is. How much hiring of linemen has the utility done in the past 20 years? In a few years when the boomers retire, they will be scrambling to fill positions. Is it hard to find qualified linemen?

3. If you really want to know what journalists make ... not much. We all work for companies that worry about the bottom line. Ads must be sold, costs must be cut. The fact that projects like this happen is a testament to the dedication of newsroom management, that they are willing to invest time to large complex issues. Trust me, we are not journalists for the wonderful pay.

4. I love the fact that there are so many complaints on this site about this story, yet you are all reading, posting, and driving up web traffic.

5. Who am I? I'm a California journalist in my hometown of L.A. for a vacation. I'm the daughter of man who spent MANY years as a lineman. I grew up hearing tales of linemen who were literally blown off power poles. I've seen my dad go to too many funerals. It's a scary, dangerous job.

Just remember, the union negotiators do what they do best, negotiate for the salaries for the workers they represent. The city backs the rate hikes to pay for ... ? Hmmm ... What are the rate hikes paying for? Salaries? Replacing old equipment? Or the continuous sprawl in this region? The newspaper just reports the facts and lets the public form their own opinions.

I’m sure the editors at the Daily News knew they would get critism for the database, I’m sure the phones have been ringing off the hook all day. But instead of criticizing the article and the database (and each other), keep debating the issue: Is DWP worth the money?

Trust me, editors, and DWP and city leaders are reading.

1. Social Security Taxes: March 1986 - DWP workers started paying Social Security taxes. (They are still ineligible to collect the social security that they paid into.)

2. To my knowledge, if taxpayers pay your salary then you are subject to have your information posted. DWP employees ARE NOT paid by taxpayers (they are paid by rate payers which is a big difference). This appears to have violated the right of the individual employees and something needs to be done.

3. Why are you attacking the individual workers? You post private info about them and you fail to mention the actual jobs these people do - the dangers they face daily (which includes death), the irregular workhours, and the fact that they don't get holidays or weekends off.

4. The reason why I got a job with DWP was because of articles like this one. I want to have a job that pays well. If you want - go the cityofla website and take a city test. Do well, pass the drug test (a good many people can't) and the physical, take an interview - and you'll get the same paycheck I do - but, you'll also have to work in the same conditions (not in an airconditioned, cushy ergonomically correct office atmosphere). Go close a breaker and have the DC arc on you - see if you think you are getting overpaid then.

5. To the public: Compare the rates of DWP, SCE, and PG&E. Then use your judgement on whether the DWP is actually trying overcharge you. Do your own research and please don't believe what the newspaper prints - they never tell the whole story as it really is.

6. Anybody interested in starting a class-action lawsuit: I'll sign, along with a list of people who'll join me.

1. Compare rates to SCE and PG&E? Why? Those aren't municipal utilities which have all the breaks a public utility does.

2. If you want to compare something, compare the salaries. The DWP worker bee gets twenty to forty percent more than SCE. And that is before benefits.

3. Why do I think you don't know that?

4. If the money paid by "ratepayers" stayed with DWP, and if DWP paid prevailing rates, nobody would be talking about increases, and rates would be even lower.

5. I hope -30- is right about who is reading this.

Educate me - what exactly are these break AND what do they have to do with personally attacking me?

Educate yourself. If you don't want to read the press version go to the Board of Water & Power Commissioners hearing tomorrow at DWP headquarters, 1:30 pm. You can find the agenda on the DWP web site.

Unfortunately, some people have to go to work tomorrow just to keep your lights on. But, I think I will educate myself about the matter - and I will also be educating myself on the laws and regulations about displaying people's personal and private information without their permission. And about what can be done about that.

By the way, DWP's rates are lower than any other utility rates - even with the rate increase. And if the rate increase does take effect - it will be the first time in over 15 years.

Again, I ask - what does anything you've said have ANYTHING to do with you people personally attacking me?

Maybe all of you crybabies that have a lousy-paying job should get off your collective dead asses and see DWP about a good-paying job instead of crying about the "exorbitant" salaries we at DWP make.
Daily News, get the facts straight before you jump in with both feet....we keep your lights on in all types of weather and risk our lives in doing so just so you can continue to exist, and do our best to supply you & everyone else in L.A. with clean tap water for your personal use. Go see SCE or MWD for your power or water needs and see how much more they charge.
The Daily News/Pravda should also be taken to task for publishing employees' names in their rag, preferably in court for big $$$.......if they spent as much time reporting real news as they do trying to vilify the DWP and doing their best to create bad press in the process, they might even be able to publish a readable news rag....get with the program and stop throwing stones in a glass house.
I wouldn't even let my cat defecate on this miserable excuse of a socialist newspaper.

---A DWP employee

DWP employee. Read the DWP website. 70% of DWP water comes from MWD. You pay MWD rates on that. It is just hidden.

And DWP rates are not the lowest among municipal utilities. You can find that on the DWP website too. Think about this, if everybody could get by with 50% dirty coal, they would have lower rates. Those days are ending. Now we can have high priced solar.

court reporter needs to find a new crack dealer.

Shame on the Daily News and it's apologists for more of their filth.

You have spent time and money to print yet another article bashing DWP employees.

Here's something you should be ashamed of:

Phillip J. Wickey, 54, a Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP) line patrol mechanic with 20 years of service, lost his life Sept. 9 following an Aug. 20th accident which also involved two other power system crew members.

Wickey and his two colleagues were critically injured by an electrical flash which occurred while installing new power equipment to serve a commercial customer located in the eastern area of the City.

“Every day LADWP crews face tremendous danger in the work they do serving the power and water needs for the 1.4 million customers we serve. This death serves as a tragic reminder of those dangers and the many unsung heroes who are on our frontlines each and every day, no matter the weather or the risk. Our condolence and heartfelt wishes go out to Philip’s family during this difficult time,” said Henry Martinez, chief operating officer – Power System and acting general manager.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa ordered City flags lowered to half-staff to honor Wickey and his service to the people of Los Angeles.

Wickey joined the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power staff on Aug. 31, 1987 as an electrical craft helper. He entered the Electric Distribution Mechanic Training Program in April 1989. He completed the training program and was promoted to electric distribution mechanic in 1993. He was promoted to his final position, line patrol mechanic, in 1995.

He leaves his wife Liz, stepson Scott and daughter-in-law Brooke.

Do a search on his name on this website. Do Google. You wrote nothing about the bravery and sacrifice that he and many other men and women make every single day keeping the lights on and the water flowing in this city. Many employees put their lives on the line every single day. Many have died or been permanently injured serving this city.

What thanks do they and their loved ones get? No thanks by your trashy paper. No recognition of the heroism sense of duty they hold every day. They only get bashed by you.

At least the Mayor and Commisisoner Nahai get it. At least Mr. Martinez makes an effort to acknowledge the sacrifice of DWP employees.

By the way, Mr Wickey was not the only DWP employee to die in the line of duty this year.

Shame on you. I won't even insult my cats by lining their litter box with your paper.

I wouldn't even worry about what these people are writing and saying. I've been doing some research on the legality under California state law of the release of that information and in doing so have gotton some opinions on the rate increase matter. I've received nothing but support from DWP customers. People know that they are paying way less than their neighbors and they understand the necessity of the rate increase.

In response to a previous blog,
The problem is that DWP does not spend money to get the much needed TRAINED employees that maintain water and electric service (manual work), but instead waste money on
employees in managerial administrative positions
that have no job duties (except to spin talk in corporate jargon so they can sound important without really saying anything).
Their jobs are totally worthless to the ratepayer, and they earn, or should I say cost, over a $100,000 for each of these totally useless positions. I can't even say they are "bean counters" or "paper pushers" because it would be an insult to the "bean counters" and "paper pushers".

In response to a previous blog,
The problem is that DWP does not spend money to get the much needed TRAINED employees that maintain water and electric service (manual work), but instead waste money on
employees in managerial administrative positions
that have no job duties (except to spin talk in corporate jargon so they can sound important without really saying anything).
Their jobs are totally worthless to the ratepayer, and they earn, or should I say cost, over a $100,000 for each of these totally useless positions. I can't even say they are "bean counters" or "paper pushers" because it would be an insult to the "bean counters" and "paper pushers".

If you want to talk about privacy violations, DWP is a major violator of people's privacy. Another blog describes how they violated the privacy of their customers by illegally monitoring phone calls without informing the customer. This will probably end of costing in the millions because of a class action suit that has been filed (BC364522). This cost will be added to the ratepayers tab and no one in management will be held accountable. They act above the law because they know their is no consequence on any action that decide to pursue.
Here's the other blog I was referring to:

"James Hahn may not officially be the mayor, however, he still has strong connections to the city attorney's office because his law firm received over a million dollar contract to defend DWP in the Lucille Estes v. DWP lawsuit (BC364522). This will probably turn into a class action of the thousands of customer's phone calls being illegally monitored without the customer's knowledge. I'm sure Mr. Hahn's law firm will milk this for all its worth like the PR firm did because no one at DWP cares. DWP lawyers are too incapable & lazy to do any kind of professional legal work which is why so much is spend for outside attorneys.

How pathetic do the bureaucrats look ganging up here to threaten and insult the press, free speech and documented facts. With the news about Tennie Pierce and others, it almost appears that these people practically make a hobby out of filing nuisance and shakedown lawsuits. These are the kind of people who make a mockery out of our justice system. I guess their greed knows few limits.

No matter their threats, insults, diatribes, lies, rhetoric, distortions, and personal attacks, the fact remains that the evidence indicates that they are overpaid as compared to other city employees, surrounding city employees and compared to private sector comparable positions. Look at how they insult the very people who provide the revenue that pays for their excesses and big attitudes ... they call us losers for not earning as much as they do and they arrogantly claim that we are envious of them. They can't see that the public is standing up and demanding responsible government. They arrogantly and naively proclaim to hold more valuable jobs than we do. Their painters are special painters, their gardners have more dangerous jobs than other gardners, their customer service clerks have to listen to the us, the awful and unappreciative public "whine and complain" about rates and bad service. That all justifies paying unskilled, minimum wage jobs many multiples more than others earn for doing the same or nearly similar work. If they were all really so talented and irreplaceable, then why do they need union representation? Such talented wunderkinder would never lose their valuable jobs in the free market, right? Yeah, right, I suspect a lot of these people have never had to compete in private sector jobs.

No matter how they try to spin it, the DWP is a government entity in that it is owned by the citizens of L.A.; NOT the employee bureaucrats and their lapdog politicians. They are a monopoly that provides a necessary service and commodity. That's why the citizens saw fit to make that service and commodity public. However, the importance of the service is hardly indication of the importance of those who work in it. You're all replaceable. Unfortunately, it appears that this vital department has been commandeered by the employees of the department who refuse to improve and change. That being the case, then serious consideration should be given to privatization because we no longer own it anyway.

Stop threatening the Daily News for exposing facts, stop insulting citizens who are outraged by those facts, try to behave like adults and public employees who appreciate the generosity you've enjoyed for too long. Doing otherwise makes you look worse than you already do. We can only pray that not all city employees are as resentful and greed driven as the ones posting messages here.

To the fellow/woman who claimed that CA state and local employees pay Social Security taxes, go back and re-do that research. SOME pay the Medicare tax but none, as I understand it, pay any Social Security because you have your own retirement system, a retirement system healthier than social security and primarily paid for by the public rather than from your own paychecks. I guess this person hasn't paid social security taxes in such a long time that they aren't even familiar with the rules.

Last, I leave you DWP whiners and bullies with a quote from the great American, Benjamin Franklin, "The sting in the rebuke is the truth." Deal with it.

I'm a "proud DWP employee". and I'm blessed!!! Get a JOB !!!!! ps, daily news- Your employees seem to be pretty bitter. I think your people need a raise...

"Social Security payroll taxes are collected under authority of the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA). The payroll taxes are sometimes even called "FICA taxes."" from www.ssa.gov/mystatement/fica.htm.

I did. I looked at my paycheck. I do pay "FICA taxes" that I will not be collecting in the future.

I'm proud to say that I work for LADWP, and I'm also proud to say that I believe I earn every penny on my paycheck. Yes, there are many who abuse the civil service system and manipulate it to their personal benefit, but it's the real workers who carry them and do the bulk of the work at the same time. Problem is that it is the same civil service policies that create an environment for someone to screw the system if they choose to do so. The majority of us take pride in what we do. Yes, I make more than an LA City worker, but dammit, I earn it.

Try working in an environment where the bloated management would rather reach for the discipline manual than deal with pressing problems because they are so out of touch with what their subordinated do, the only thing they understand is the rule book.

Try working in an environment where upper managers feel that following 100 antiquated DWP policy to the letter all in the name of the “charter” is more important then the health and safety of the public they serve.

Try working in an environment where you get in trouble for having a safety hazard fixed, and you did so because two different business units had been arguing for months over who was going to “pay for it” and someone was finally injured.

Try taking months to obtain common material only to have it cost more and not be what was ordered because there are so many levels of bureaucracy that makes it easy for an unqualified small local “business” that works out of their garage to manipulate the purchasing system to their advantage.

Try having to scramble for the most basic of safety equipment like leather gloves because the company that was awarded the order missed a small detail on DWP’s complicated insurance forms causing the process to have to start all over again.

Because the General Manager, Board of Supervisors, high level managers, and the City Controller have made it so difficult to do the simplest jobs without a mountain of paperwork and forms, as well as policies that literally change on a daily basis… it’s a wonder anything gets done at all.

The Daily News article will at least accomplish one thing. We’re preparing for some new “shoot-from-the-hip” policies that will make no sense at all.

Until the next power outage or boil water order comes out because the paperwork to fix the problem is sitting on some manager's desk… all I can say is that the problem is a lot deeper than just salaries and I truly believe that I earn every bit of mine.

Hey Truth Mustbetold,
Get your facts straight.

"a retirement system healthier than social security and primarily paid for by the public rather than from your own paychecks."

Your statement is completely wrong. I am a DWP worker and I pay 6.4% of my check towards my pension.

For those that think these jobs are so easy and receive too much pay, here's a link to the website. Take a test and get a job.

http://www.ci.la.ca.us/PER/

Fair pay for a civil service job is something around what the private market pays. That goes for benefits too. No way to justify the pay raise DWP workers got today. I'd feel blessed too. Kinda like winning the scratcher every week. Don't worry boys. The Commish will hand you the increase tomorrow. The system is wired. At least let the public groan for the billions being sucked out and siphoned off. It'll all be over in a few weeks for another year. S.O.S. you know the drill.

Thanks for the salary information! All I know is that I'll be applying for every position that I qualify for with DWP! They are making bank!!! And to all of you HATERS, you should do the same....starting with staff writter, Beth Barrett.

Truth must be told and the "gutsy" journalist hiding behind the handle -30-: You two should get together for a latte while you're waiting for your next welfare check. Neither of you has ever stood on a ladder higher than your head much risked your life at anything other than juvenile stupidity. If you'd ever held a job long enough to "vest" your benefits (typically 10 years) or actually stood in the rain for longer than it took you to run into the mall; you might have a clue why some folks earn more than you and why they expect the pension they've contributed to for all those years. There are a lot of whiners and I'm afraid the job doesn't pay well. Trained linemen are hard to come by. That's why crews from all over the nation respond to disasters. There are more police, firemen, nurses and septic tank technicians than there are linemen. As I said I'm not a fan of the top heavy management at the DWP, but you cowards attack the very people who keep you hooked up to the internet, light your home, and provide the means to power the modern conveniences you feel entitled to. Karl Marx wanted everybody to have the same wealth. We all know how well that worked out. But if you think that's really where it's at; there's a small island about 90 miles south of Florida you may want to move to. (That would be Cuba, in case you were educated in California schools.) I understand the power is on there about 5 days a week and there's no internet. You both claim to be "defenders of the public interest" yet your actions define you as passive aggressive, and uninformed. You're both more than willing to expose hard working folks fraud yet you're both unwilling to say who you are. I'm a contractor and the one of the first things I disclose to my clients is what I cost; right after I tell them who I am & provide them a government agency (CSLB) they can use to check my track record. (A far cry from an anonymous handle,) I don't have a problem with publicly disclosing what "linemen" earn. I have a real problem when there's a name attached to that disclosure. "Truth must be told" has gone so far as to threaten the hard working folks at the DWP (and me) with personally directed invasions of our privacy. He's going to be real upset when he discovers the "power of subpoena". Our infrastructure is falling apart. A typical home in 1970 was wired with a 100 amp service. Now 200 amps is typical and 400 amps is not uncommon. Add in expediential growth and for those of you capable of simple math, the conundrum should be obvious. You can feel entitled all you want, but the cost of copper (thats the stuff inside the wire, and the transformers) has tripled in the last three years. Even you two blockheads must have noticed the cost of gas. That's made out of oil, which is a prime ingredient in insulation (thats the outside of the wire). If you really think working with wires energized in excess of 6,000 volts is a casual affair, stick your finger into a lamp socket. After you pick yourself off the floor, remind yourself that's1% to 2% of the minimum voltage a DWP lineman handle every day. And NO they don't just turn it off because that would inconvenience you. The folks in the service trucks are not the problem yet you socialist cowards take aim at them. I'd tell you to pick on someone your own size, but I don't want to read about assaults in a preschool. As to our crumbling infrastructure; well you're in the dark anyway...

Daily News--

I know you had the right to print LADWP employees full legal names through the Public Information Act, but it doesn't mean it is the right thing to do ethically or morally.

Did you consider that you could be setting up some poor call center rep who goes by only their last name for security reasons, to be attacked at their home by an irate customer?

How about the fact by printing full legal names you just caused someone with an unlisted phone number to be able to be found on not so legal internet people searches.

What are you going to do when an employee gets attacked or raped, because you printed their full legal names instead of just their first initial.

There was no reason to print full names, no reason at all. First initials would have been just fine.

So, Daily News, will you print the story when 8,500 employees suffer identity theft, attacks, harassing phone calls, or worse because you made a horribly wrong decision to invade their privacy???

Yes, I know legally you had the right, but you are still going to get a judge who rules that morally or ethically it was wrong to do it and LADWP employees are going to win a huge class action settlement at your expense.

Will you print that Daily News?????????????

"Truth must be told" has gone so far as to threaten the hard working folks at the DWP (and me) with personally directed invasions of our privacy."

LOL!! Nothing Cowboy ... you are even dumber than you appear. I didn't think it possible. Moron, you disclosed your own identity in an obvious attempt to kiss up to your pals at DWP. You really should shut up because you're looking more pathetic with every message.

Yo, "Truth dude"! are you on your second or third bottle of chardonnay? All of my friends know my handle, heck it's the name of my band!! I actually posted my name hoping you'd have the "sack" to keep your stalking threats and show up at my door. I have no contacts in either the City of LA or the DWP. It's just passive aggressive cowards like you that piss me off. You're kinda like that new country song, "I'm So Much Cooler Online". It's about a 5'3" 180 lb dude who lives in his mama's basement (sound familiar?) but his My Space profile has him at 6'5" in an Armanni suit. Got any cool video games?

LOL :D! for the nosy & the "BIG IDIOTs" who wrote the article... My name and My fathers name are spelled completely WRONG!;D and I make "17,000 MORE" than what is listed. Oh! and thats not including all the overtime I get and the awesome benefits. I am a smart AND hard worker and I KNOW I have earned every dollar.

ps, Ms/Mrs Beth Barett, just incase you need a real job when your worthless retirement comes up, or anyone interested in being part of one of the last/few orgs. that really take care of you..heres the link. http://www.ci.la.ca.us/PER/

!!!! GET A JOB!!!!!

Go ahead and privatize DWP. You'll see rates climb faster than you can blink. Edison & PG&E are salivating to take over this business. Even the CPUC will enjoy approving a rate hike for once! FYI, DWP has not had a rate hike in decades. Its infrastructure is crumbling. It reduced its workforce twice in the nineties. The emissions of coal & fossil-fuel generating stations affect your health and those of our children's. That's why DWP must invest aggressively in renewable energy and to do so requires funding.

DWP employees are dedicated and hardworking. Please do not paint a broad brush when you criticize the ones who do not deserve to be working at DWP (yes, we have to get rid of problem employees!). But majority of our employees perform their work as expected and keep your power on and your water running. Heat storms, rain storms, winds and floods, our folks risk their lives to deliver the service you deserve. I've worked for both the City and DWP. The utility business is dramatically different. It faces many regulations, including the demand for renewables, safety issues, and it has severe workforce challenges. What it truly needs is strong leadership -top, down, all across the enterprise. The big gap is at the top - we've had a change in GM's every 3 years or so.

Employees who retire from DWP are in demand - other utilities want to hire them because they know the nature of the business. This brain drain & loss of human capital at DWP will hit critical mass within 3- 5 years. Even with high salaries, we can't attract the skilled workforce that we need. Need a job? We're looking to fill 700 positions over the next 9 months. Look at our job openings and apply your heart out. If you qualify and pass the cumbersome civil service exam, we'll welcome you into the DWP family and get you working. And mind you, our jobs are not as easy as you guys think. And the high salarries you complain about? DWP must remain competitive, wage-wise, in order to get and retain skilled workers. And the cost of living in Los Angeles and the surrounding counties has skyrocketed exponentially over the years. The last great thing we have on the table is our bargaining unit.

IBEW's Brian D'Arcy is campaigning for re-election. He and the mayor are buddies, so vote his ass out this year! You have no idea how many illegal activities these two have engaged in lately

For $307,000 in IBEW Local 18 campaign contributions in 2005 why shouldn't they be buddies?

Hey everyone! Where's the FRONT PAGE Daily News article on the LAUSD CREDIT CARD ABUSES?

MONEY TRANSFERS TO MEXICO?
VALLEY VILLAGE DAY SPAS?

I'm sure the Daily News is going to publish this one!!!

Just waiting... and waiting... and waiting...

Tired of paying thos high salaries? Tired of paying those high energy bills?

Remember deregulation? That law originally had two parts: means for customers to save money (written by State staffers); and means for energy companies to collect State welfare (written by energy companies and approved by Pete Wilson). That law enabled cusotmers to group together in aggregates of whatever size, and to negotiate prices with energy companies across the country to provide their electricity; but, this was not advertised to the public. That law also legalized all the evil things that energy companies did to take our money (they "stole it fair and square"). I heard that the part of the law that allowed customers to negotiate as aggregates had been striken by another law. So, if you want cheaper energy, you need to yell at your legislators, including the Mayor, who turned a blind eye to all this while he was there (where's the story in the Daily News on this??).

As for DWP.... To its credit, DWP provides significant training to its staff (linemen, engineers, etc., etc.), and enforces stricter work rules than many other departments, which actually makes them more productive.

Sure, there are little fiefdoms in DWP, and working there can become quite competitive, as it is hard to get managers to move on from their high-salaried jobs. More significant, however, are the practices by other large departments (Public Works and Personnel), which promote most based on who you know, and continue to live in the mid 20th century. These other departments would do well to adopt some of DWP's practices (whether pushed by unions or not!) so that work productivity can improve (to the level provided by private firms), and hiring and promoting can be based more on merit (merely espoused by hypocritical managers).

So, actually, DWP seems to get the job done right and more effectively than other departments, although it has a long way to go before the work flow and practices are perfect. But, if you want to throw pie in someone's face, you are more justified to throw it in the direction of other departments.

I congratulate the Daily News for having the guts to publish the outrageous salaries and benefits that DWP doles out to the ungrateful overpaid that live off the backs of ratepayers with Impunity.

As a ratepayer, I am shocked at the money the Unions have been able to extort from the ratepayers.

What is even more outrageous is the attitudes of these poor employees that are posting on this forum that so called privacy rights are being violated and tell us they are under paid even at the current levels. Your names and only names were published. How is that Identity theft?

It is so typical of the Public Employee Unions that think the public in a never-ending cash cow to finance salaries that the average private industry employee can only dream of getting paid. Spare me the comparisons with SCE which is another Government sponsored monopoly with similar outrageous salaries.

How does one justify a custodian making $46,082.16 or a clerk $46,687.68 or a clerk that can actually type $48,859.20. Then there is a Garage Attendant pulling down $52,179.12 probably parking the cars of the Union suits. How about a Photographer getting a whopping $67,880.88. Oh wait, Security Officer $66,690.72 which is higher than most post certified police officers make.

The propaganda ministers, I mean Public Relations DWP spokes holes get $83,833.20 !!

Public Unions are not required to negotiate in good faith with the government, because unlike a private company which can be financially broken, the government will just give in to the unions, raising taxes and cutting services and investment. In this case, raising rates and allowing infrastructure to decay at the expense of outrageous pay and benefits.

There are simple truths which must be told - the cost per year for public employees is usually two to three times the cost per year for employees of private companies with similar skills doing similar work.

DWP workers need to explain why your ratepayer-funded jobs entitle you to pension benefits that are several times better than social security.

Why should DWP ratepayers pay an Gardner Caretaker $51,469.20 with vacation and health benefits and a pension, when a person with similar skills in the private sector makes $6.75 per hour with no benefits?

In the private sector, people are starting to realize that their pensions are gone, taxes are going up, and their retirement is delayed so their Government employee neighbor can retire at 50% at 100% of his highest salary plus benefits and cost of living increases for life at age 60. At DWP a worker, making $53,176.00 can retire after 25 years at $2,335.40, plus health, plus CPI at age 60.

California Highway Patrol retires at 90% of their highest wages. What a deal.

The private sector worker is stuck with SS with capped maximum benefits no matter what they earn and is looking at uncle Sam to increase the retirement age to 70-75.

Public employee unions are a crime against democracy and need to be outlawed. This is the only way their control of our government at the state, county and municipal level will be ended. It is the only way we will get fair elections back, balance our budgets and increase government services and investment, and restore equity between public employee benefits vs. private employee benefits.

Voters need to call their elected representatives and demand that the Government Gravy train be stopped or vote them out of office.

Walter Moore would be a breath of fresh air compared to Villaraigosa who never graduated from college and is a former union organizer.

If you think your identity can't be stolen from the bit of information this sloppy newspaper has printed you're dumber than you sound. People have had their identity stolen from less.
So this is how the people of Los Angeles feel?They're angry with the city so lash out at the employees? I wish I could do that at work when I have an irate customer cursing at me because THEY didn't pay their bill and after two months of still having their electricity they were FINALLY shut off. We give the most time any company gives to pay their bills AND we will still work out payment arrangements. I get paid well for what I do and it's as it should be. I am called in on holidays when I would rather be with my husband and five kids. I get called in on my weekends when I could be doing something else. We don't even have to be a 24 hour call center but we are in order to better service the people of L.A. and give them more opportunities to call. During rainstorms, heat storms and wind storms we are ALL brought in to work extra hours to keep your wait time as low as possible. We are understaffed and have strict office policies that we must abide by or be disciplined. I am by no means living the high life and just like most of Los Angeles am just getting by. I appreciate my job and the union makes sure I keep it in case a supervisor is having a bad day. Come do my job for one day and see if you come back. Because the turnover is high due to the stress level in our line of work people don't last more than a few weeks. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. What about the meter readers battling your stupid dogs and unkept properties where they deal with spiders, mice, fleas, bees and cockroaches. Can you walk 7-10 miles a day and take over ten thousand reads a month with only the margin of error to miss one out of every thousand. Can you crawl under the house because the meter is located underneath and take a read in the dark with just your little flashlight that was issued to you in training. Or how about the field service guys who get guns drawn because they are there to turn off the services for the previous tenant and now squatters have moved in and don't want to be shut off. These jobs are available to anyone who qualifies so feel free to apply.
As for the woman who filed a suit because she "claims" she didn't know she was being recorded well while you're waiting to speak to a representative the recording states over again how calls are monitored for quality assurance. Next time you're waiting try listening to the recording.
In a perfect DWP world our customers are prepared when they are connected with a customer service representative, they are patient while we review their account, they do not lie about having arrangements or making payments when they know darn well they haven't. They do not curse at you when you refuse and extension because we haven't received a payment in the last six months. And yes some even call to tell what garbage you are because you work there. They call specifically to antagonize you and work your nerves just to hang up on you. But on a softer note you have the sweet old folks of Los Angeles who call because they're lonely and want to talk about their cats or their husband who passed away. Or they want to preach to you on the phone for an hour and a half. Yet we listen because we're not allowed to hang up on them. Let's see if you get that courtesy at Edison, PG & E or even the Gas Company.
Yes I appreciate my job and I do my best everyday within the guidelines that I'm allowed to do them in. But if something should happen to me because an irate customer decided to come down to the building and act stupid, at least I'll know that Daily News will be footing the bill for five college tuitions.

You forgot to list how much money the DWP gives the City of Los Angeles above and beyond. It's taken out of the surplus fund acct. It's WELL into the millions.
If you're going to do a story, do a little research and include the whole story.
Another example of biased, poor journalism.
What's really wrong with L.A. is the poor example of journalism displayed in The Daily News.

I'm a powerlineman for DWP. Get the mindset correct. The DWP is a business! It provides a service for a fee and because it's tied to the City of LA, hunreds of millions dollars are transferred to the City's general fund to help keep this City operating. DWP does not collect, use or operate with any taxpayer revenue. All functions are made with monies from revenue generated from power and water sales. So, why should my name and any other personal info be published? Frankly, it's none of your business. If you want to know salaries for specific jobs go to the personnel office or website and inquire as such. NO BIG SECRET. If you want a job with DWP, apply with the city, be qualified, take a test, pass an interview, pass a physical and drug test then accept the job. That's what I did....just like all the other jobs I've ever had.

Now keep in mind, if the DWP broke away from the City, where would all the additonal services the citizens are accustomed to come from? If DWP were autonomus the California Public Utilities Commission would regulate your rates. Ask Edison customers how they like that scenario.

The DWP built this City. Without the life giving water delivered 100 years ago there would be no LA. Then when electricity was developed, DWP built that infrastructure too. The powersystem is aging. I regularly climb (yes climb, with gaffs) powerpoles that are 60 to 70 years old. How much energy do you think was consumed per household back then? Today there are large refridgerators, central a/c's (some houses have 3 units), plasma tv's (check your lable to see how much power your plasma consumes), computers turned on 24/7, battery chargers, swimming pools and the list goes on. Needless to say the system is overloaded. There is no way that all these consumer electronics could have been forseen 20 and 30 years ago. Now, when the weather heats up, your neighborhood transformer can't handle the power requirement you demand and it fails. This wasn't a problem 10 or even 5 years ago. Get a hint.... conserve!

If you think I'm over paid, follow me, and strap on some gaffs, climb a 65' pole at night in the rain, put your hands on live 4800 volt wires and watch the blue electric arc dance over your gloves. Don't forget about falling off the pole either (it happens). Now, tell me that it's safe and I don't deserve the compensation I get.

I live in Edison territory and I can tell you I pay alot more for my power than the customers of DWP. DWP hasn't had an electric rate hike in 15 years. Tell me, what business hasn't increased their prices in 15 years? I can't even count the increases Edison has had in the same period.

DWP customers should be glad that DWP wasn't completely on board with that deregulation fiasco a few years ago. You never saw any affects of it like the customers of all the other California utilities. Contrary to what the Daily News reports...DWP HAS NO ROLLNG BLACKOUTS!!!! If your lights go out, there is a problem that needs repair.

Power rates are going up due to age of the system that needs to be overhauled and costs associated to generating alternative sources of energy. Environmental concerns add a huge amount to the overall cost to generating power.

Yes, there is a lineman shortage. The DWP is currently about 100 lineman short. To become a lineman for DWP (or any other utility) you have to go through a 4 year apprenticeship program. The reality is that only about 30% to 40% of the apprentices that start the program actually complete it. Every 6 months a new apprentice class starts at DWP with about 25 individuals. If only 30% make it all the way through....do the math.... it'll take 14 years to get 100 linemen (4 year program then 10 linemen a year). In that same time period there are promotions, retirements, disabilities (yea, we get seriously hurt and even die), and so on. Now how many do we have? Far less than 100. You tell me how to fix that. To draw in qualified individuals, DWP has to pay competetive wages. Actually, if DWP's salaries are so high, how come linemen from across the country arent knocking down DWP's door to get in? Check that public record, Daily News. I would say maybe 5 this year at the most, but go ahead and check then let us all know.

My salary is comparable to lineman wages at Edison, San Diego Gas and Electric (SG&E) and Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E). Edison is short linemen. SG&E is short linemen. PG&E is short linemen. I could leave DWP today and get the same pay and benefits at any of those other utilities tomorrow. Actually I could go to any utility across this country and get a job tomorrow because the training and skills developed at DWP are industry leading and are highly saught after. LA should appreciate the highly trained personnel they have maintaining their power system. Next time you see us working up a power pole check us out and see what hard work is all about.

As a citizen of L.A., I'd like to commend DWP for doing an excellent job. Why??? Because every morning when I wake up,the lights are on and the water is flowing. Sure the power goes out in EXTREME weather conditions, but even a mercedes starts to break down after years and years of producing.
I've grown up reading the Daily News and admit that over the past 5-6 years the integrity of the paper has come into question.
It was about 2 weeks ago that a DWP employee died doing his job,yet it was buried on page 3 giving little to no information on this tragedy. Had it been a police officer or fireman, this story would have been headline news.
I don't know what their job entails,but I know I couldn't nor would I want to do it. What exactly are these guys guilty of? Who among us wouldn't take a raise in pay,including you Beth Barrett and Ron Kaye. Now all I ask for in return is fair and responsible journalism.

"The private sector worker is stuck with SS with capped maximum benefits no matter what they earn and is looking at uncle Sam to increase the retirement age to 70-75."

No one is stuck with social security who doesn't want to be. It's all about choices. Instead of buying that latte in the morning, put that money away in an IRA. A penny saved is a penny earned. Take advantage of the power of compound interest and stop being a victim. Stop blaming others for your choices. No one is stuck living in Los Angeles. This is America. You can choose to live wherever you want. Choose to live in Edison country and you'll pay more for your services. With the DWP, you get a lot for what you pay for. If you think that you are paying too much, you can always convert to solar and wind and sell your leftover energy back to the DWP as many homeowners and businesses have done.

Stop looking to the government to solve your problems. Stop looking at what others have in jealousy and start looking at the good choices they have made that got them into the position that you envy. Turn your own life around for the better, rather than bringing everyone else around you down.

And for those of you who think you are entitled to know my personal info, you are not. Pay scales may be public info, my personal info is not. You have no need or right to know how much I make. The Daily News does not need to publish my name to make its point that a Lineman makes $X per year. The Daily News does not have a need to publish details about my personal life at all, I am not the story. Nor did I give my consent to anyone to publish my personal financial information.

It's not about me, or any other civil servant. It's about rates and service. If you like what you receive in terms of service, stay put and pay your bill. If you don't like your service, complain to the proper department or move. Its all about your choices. You chose to vote Democrats into positions of power in Los Angeles and California for almost 3 generations. This is what you get when collectivists control government.

If you don't like Democrat policies, vote them out. The Unions contribute to the campaigns of the people whom you vote for and win elected office here in the state, so it shoud be no surprise how things are turning out. Everything is about choices. A is A. Vote in Free Market advocates if you want things to change.

wee_jimmy

Try not paying your SS taxes and see what happens. You will get arrested by the IRS. Since when did SS become optional.

You are a monopoly and I have no choice. Typical, blame the customer for your failures.

Powerlineman73

What personal information was posted about you other than you name and salary? Without your date of birth, address and SS number, this information is useless for Identity Theft.Should we accuse the phone company of Identity theft too for publishing names and phone numbers?

The DWP is a monopoly my friend and is not a business in the classical sense. Where is the competition? The DWP is not a private corporation, it is an agency of the Cty of Los Angeles.

On one hand you say the DWP needs to increase rates and then you turn around and say that there millions of surpluses being sent to the City. How can rates be too low if they are generating surpluses.

The reason we have power shortages by your own admission is not that people use to much electricity but because your management did not properly plan for the future.

Why does DWP have all those analysts and planners getting paid big bucks? Where they out to lunch when forecasting future growth?

When you have a monopoly and screw up the answer is always to blame the customer.After all they cannot pick up the phone and call xyz energy and cancel your services.

Why should customers be forced to conserve when DWP should have been planning for the future. This is the blame the customer mentality for lack of future growth planning by DWP employees.

The DWP uses profits that to finance budget items that have nothing to do with electricity production and maintenance. The City of Los Angeles is at fault for stripping DWP of its resources and using them to finance their bloated budget.

I can tell DWP ratepayers, the next big thing coming for you is Tiered Energy Billing. The latest plan dreamed up by Big Government and Wall Street analysts to raise rates under the guise of conservation.It is mentioned on their web page announcing rate increases.

This outrageous plan is currently being implemented all over California to penalize the customer for using Electricity. SCE recently implemented 4 energy tiers that takes an accountant to figure out.

It is nothing more than the latest scheme dreamed up by Government to raise rates under the guise of forced conservation which is the latest scheme to separate you from your money.

You will get billed a base rate that is reasonable then if you use more than the Government thinks you should use, you get hit with a higher rate and then they have an energy hog tier to really let you have it, usually double or triple the regular rate like at the City of Riverside.They had to drop the rate plan when a near riot occurred at the city council meeting,

If you have the audacity to complain you will be told you are anti-environment and an energy hog.This is progress for the 21st century? We used to think cheap abundant electricity was progress not turning back our standard of living to third world countries levels.

When are electrical monopolies going to charge us all the same rate like every other business does for its products or services. One rate for every customer instead of all these different rates designed to hammer the customer.

Powerlineman73-I know you have a tough job but the article pointed out that you are getting paid more than comparable employees at the City and other Utilites,20% more.Where are they going wrong by pointing out the facts?

SUMMARY:

1. DWP WAGES ARE HIGH.
2. DWP RATES ARE LOW.
3. DWP TRANSFERS $200,000,000 PROFIT EACH YEAR TO THE CITY COFFERS

Why is the DWP not a shining example of how things should be done?

Notes:

1. Tax emept status accounts for about 10% savings
2. The DWP SHOULD NOT be transferring $200,000,000 of RATEPAYER OVERPAYMENTS each year. The ratepayers already pay autility tax in their bill. It's DOUBLE TAXATION and it should be going back to reduce rates.

Now GO AND GET A JOB THERE, THEY ARE HIRING!!!

Instead of complaining about how good we get pay why don't you come and join the DWP??? I want to see how you feel when you have to go thru years of training, working with high voltage (up to 230kv), high steam press. (something like 3600 psi @ 1000oF), changing shift every 2 weeks, etc. I'm willing to bet that you love ones will be happy to see you not home at night.

Why is the DWP not a shining example of how things should be done?

Good question. Maybe it is because of transfers and excessive wages the DWP has not kept up its system, and now needs billions of dollars of improvements to make up for all the money drained out in the last 15 years. Look for 25% increases in what you actually pay for power in the next couple of years. And that's only the start. Read today's newspapers.

RAzOR

Typical Union Attitude. You need to get over yourself.

Do you think you are the only person that has a job that had to be trained for the position? Do you think that you are the only individual that has a dangerous job?

You are hardly unique in this world except your Union Contract pays you at a higher rate than most.

I completed 8 years of college for my job and it did not stop with my college education. I have paid for continuing education to keep current every year out of my own pocket just to remain competitive.

The DWP and City of Los Angeles need to quit fleecing the taxpayers and ratepayers.

“Why is the DWP not a shining example of how things should be done?”

Because the City Council just raised rates again yesterday despite the surpluses to improve equipment and infrastructure like they always do when you have a monopoly. The Unions demand yet higher wages and the City comply by raising rates to accommodate their demands.

How about allowing the taxpayers/ratepayers to vote whether we should raise rates which are really an illegal tax which under law requires a 2/3 vote of the people to raise taxes.

Once again the City could care less about the citizens it supposed to SERVE.

How do LADWP's and Edison's rates compare?

How do LADWP's and Edision's SALARIES compare? Trick question. 20% plus according to IBEW. What you say now?

Hey Scottydog,
Why don't you post your full name, employer, job title and salary right here on this comment page. I bet you won't have the desire nor the courage to do so. You just like to point fingers.

You do have an alternative to buying power from DWP or any other utility. The utilities will even give you cash money to get off their system. Make an application for solar, wind power or even microturbine, and the utility will give you incentive money. Install your system then you can sell back the surplus power you generate back to the utility. Now you can be your own monopoly! You can have no ties to those monopolies you hate.

Contrary to what you believe, DWP has never had a power shortage. Never had rolling black outs. Yes DWP has had equipment failures do to the aging infrastructure. As a matter of fact DWP sells surplus energy generated to other utilities like Edison, Burbank, Glendale and others.

Yes, DWP does shift hundreds of millions of dollars to the City's budget every year that could be used to upgrade the infrastructure. That's the way it's been for a 100 years. Just think if DWP were private. Electric rates would drop and your property and local taxes would go up. LA City sales tax would probably increase also. The incredible part of all this is the citizens of LA can vote in or out policy makers that decide where the city funds go. The unions (all unions) contribute to democratic candidates who lean toward labor unions. It dosen't matter what I think about that, the union still spends it's money that way. You, your neighbors and surrounding citizens have the power to make change. Hey,since you don't like the way it is, why don't you run for city office? Make those decisions where DWP and the city spends it's money. You have that power and control in your life, give it a try!

The majority of the revenue generated by the DWP is by the way of selling bulk power to other utilities. Next is the commercial rate that businesses pay then the rate of residential use. Why don't you ask your buddy at work that has an Edison residential bill and compare. You'll probably smile.

You really think forcasters and forward thinkers in 1960, 1970, or even 1980 could accurately predict the computer revolution with the computer intertwined in almost every product we use today? That technology has produced massive consumer electronics with a huge spike in power consumption. How could anyone accurately speculate that? Now, if they got it wrong and overbuilt you would be sitting here saying that those forcasters didn't know what they're doing and wasted money. If you think that could be done decades in advance, you really have your head burried deep in the sand. You tell all of us reading here... how much power will the public be using 30 years from now? will it be more or less? Remember, what you build must last for decades.

Your last paragraph states "you are getting paid more than comparable employees at the City and other Utilites". My job is not available in any other city department, just Water and Power. Like I stated in my first posting, Edison, SDG&E, PG&E all pay comprable wages and benefits for my specific job. If DWP pays such a high rate for my position why don't linemen locally and from across the country line up at the door for this high paying job? The fact is, the wage is right on par with the industry. DWP IS HIRING JOURNEYMAN LINEMEN. They've been hiring non stop for over 7 years. Where's all the applicants?

You've just been sucessfully misinformed by the Daily News with partial truths and bad info.

Beth Barrett and Editor Ron Kaye - If what you did to all 8,500 LADWP employees is completely harmless and poses no personal identification or safety risk, then please do the same for yourselves and immediately post your full legal names, positions, and salaries.

Try to get it right blockhead: It's the DWP who has two hundred million dollars skimmed off their finances every year by the City Counsel!! Do you reporters even read your own articles; or do you "lubricate your gears" with the snot all the whiners dribble onto this page? Ever since Prop 13 passed the City of LA has used the DWP for a cash cow; milking it for every dime while the infrastructure crumbles around them. If you're going to keep wagging your left finger, point it in the right direction. Your inaccurate reporting and your ruthless attacks on the people who make it possible for your presses to run simply adds to the already questionable reputation of the "Fourth Estate".

I am very pleased with my DWP bill and with the level of service I have received over the past 20 years. Lately we have had more outages (short ones) than ever before, I believe that is to be due to very old equipment. The press has made me mad again, they claim to be a fighter for the people, however we have a blue-collar work force that has done a good job for its customers and they are attacked personally, giving their names out is irresponsible journalism. No wonder the 'news' media is not very well liked. Yes good jobs are getting harder and harder to find, that is not their fault; therefore, don’t cut down anyone who is doing okay for themselves. I know for myself that I am going to look into the employment opportunities DWP and The City have to offer. I have always progressed at work by studying, working hard and making myself more valuable to my employer and others. Let’s encourage one another to do better and be happy for those who are doing well. I am saddened by people who cut down anyone who is doing okay for themselves.
- "Satisfied Customer"

the authors at the Daily News (Daily Rag) who seem to be constantly attacking the LADWP, seem to be still sucking on sour grapes because the valley failed in their efforts for cityhood. perhaps they would not be so harsh if it was the "CAMELOT" Dept. of Water & Power.

You can tell the entitlement attitude of DWP workers by all the blogs they posted (which I am sure were posted while they were at work) Some even pretended to be concerned citizens acting like "wolves in sheep's clothing". Please don't keep belittling & demeaning the citizens of Los Angeles.

In response to the blog by "abunchofwiners" that all DWP customer calls have an introduction informing of them of monitoring, DWP attorneys must be very stupid because DWP is spending over one million dollars on private law firms to defend against this evasion of privacy lawsuit, when all they need to do to get this case dismissed is to provide the court with the phone tapes from all the units that took customer calls as proof that customers were informed. The judge on this matter must also be a moron because he has ruled against every motion that DWP has argued for. This is another fine mess DWP management has gotten us ratepayers into, which will end up costing the ratepayers in the millions.

Powerlineman73

Did you get your little temper tantrum out of your system?

You are the one that said DWP has a power shortage and I quote from your own post;” Needless to say the system is overloaded. There is no way that all these consumer electronics could have been foreseen 20 and 30 years ago."

Which is it rocket scientist?

"You really think forcasters and forward thinkers in 1960, 1970, or even 1980 could accurately predict the computer revolution with the computer intertwined in almost every product we use today?"

Yes, that is what financial analysts get paid to do, forecast the future but not at DWP. Your analysts worship at the alter of the politicians or are just plain incompetent. Private businesses forecast for the future all the time and have to be competitive or they go bankrupt.

"Like I stated in my first posting, Edison, SDG&E, PG&E all pay comprable wages and benefits for my specific job."

Actually, you are paid 20% higher according to the article.

What you and your fellow overpaid Union brothers are upset about is the public learning how much you are being paid and the backlash the politicians will receive from the voters.

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For the guy that called DWP blue collar workers needs to drop the Union propaganda.
Making $140,000 in pay and benefits puts you in the same class as professionals that completed 6 years of college. Most of you make more than college educated professionals in private industry and have far better benefits than we could dream of.

Nobody in the private sector ever gets 16.8% raises and a combined cost of living increase of 28% over 5 years.

I hope the public is outraged and they vote the union loving politicians our of office.

scottydog,
I've had no tantrums as you put it. You're just grossly misinformed and think you know more that you actually do.

Do you only read with 1 eye? Read my posts and quote them correctly. I stated "Yes, there is a lineman shortage." I never stated there was a power shortage. Scroll up and read my 2 previous posts.

How come you didn't post your name, place of employment, title and salary? You frankly don't have what it takes to do it.

You believe "what the article said" in regards to the supposed 20% more pay I get over Edison and other utilities. That's precisely your problem .... you're gullable. Do you really think I don't know how my salary compares with other utilities? Utilities that have the same union that I have? All the electric utilities have the same union, the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. I bet you know how your salary compares in your industry. I really don't care what the public knows about my job classification salary. What I care about is the fact that my name specifically was posted with attached info. My salary and all other salaries of emplyees of the City of LA are common knowledge. Check the personnel office and/or website for salary info for any job you want. Just leave my name out of it, it's no one's business.

As a matter of fact, I have lineman friends at Edison that make almost double my salary. Same exact job title with a pay over $150,000. What do you think about that? Bet that chaps your hide. That's an actual fact not just some drummed up article in type that you read. Then you may ask why I don't jump over to Edison? It's because I like my job and it's not all about money. SURPRISE!

Your problem is, that you don't think anyone should make anything near a "college educated professionals" salary that went to college for 6 years. You're making an assumption that city employees are uneducated not worth a "professionals salary". Now I see what's driving your hate here. You hate it that someone makes more than you do and works for the government. My training and education (yes education) equates to more than 8 years of college if you count actual hours sitting in a college class vs. acutal hours of class and training I've had. I'll bet you, I could do your job satisfactorally and not be fired with no extraordinary traing. I'll also bet you that you could not do my job at all. You'd end up dead or chicken out. Why don't you take that college education you have, look for jobs you qualify for with the city and fill out an application and make more money. There are scientist, doctor, law, engineer and other "educated" jobs with the city or like I said before, run for city office and make policy changes and decide how the city spends it's money instead of bitching about it here.

Again get it right. the DWP raises are 16.25% (not the 16.8% you think) for 5 years guaranteed. If the consumer price index goes up so will our raise. So, you may be surprised here, there were no CPI increases last year and this year. That 28% raise that rashes your rear isn't a reality. We're 3 years into the contract and not even close to the numbers the Daily News likes to propagate as windfall salaries. They stir up the pot then never report the reality of what is actually occuring.

Go ahead, keep believing the inaccurate spew that the Daily News keeps feeding you.

THANK YOU DAILY NEWS!!!

Because of your publishing my personal information, my rent will go up $200.00 in December because "I can afford it".

Well, I can't so screw you and your poor excuse for a "news" paper.

Powerlineman73, read your contract and check your pay stubs. You said, "If the consumer price index goes up so will our raise. So, you may be surprised here, there were no CPI increases last year and this year." Well, you got 3.8% last year and 3.25% just on October 1, and the 2007 inflation was less than 3.25%. You need to get your facts straight too.

One more thing, as you read all the posts here. Do you recognize the IBEW paid blogger?

Court Reporter

Pull out your calculator and do the math. Hmmmm, 16.25 divided by 5 years equals 3.25 per year. Minimum annual raise. Damn, you're a genius! Like I said, there were no CPI increases, 3.25 is the minimum raise we get. Looks like you need to dig up my contract and read it before you slobber out facts you know nothing about. Oh yeah, that's right, all of you only know what the Daily News tells you, inaccurate info, and crap.

Powerlineman73, your past three years increases are 3.7%, 3.8% and 3.25% just this October 1. They are all tied into a CPI formula that guarantees 3.25% if CPI is less. You are the one who needs to read your contract and understand how it works. I have it in hand. Do you?

And while you are checking things out, ask the IBEW for comparison of your [lineman] job with the comparable position at Edison. Why should you make 20% more at DWP?

I agree with you about the Daily News. If anything, they understate what DWP employees get, and they haven't even started on the outrageous fringe benefit package.

Am I getting too far ahead of you?

Powerlineman73

You have delusions of grandeur.

Your job is not all that difficult.

So typical of the Union member mindset of entitlement.

Taxpayers are becoming outraged with Public Employee Unions and my hope is that we will pass another Prop like we did with prop 13.

Public Employee Unions are a criminal enterprise that extort ever higher wages and benefits in league with Politicians that use Unions to buy votes on election day.

Court Reporter is right BTW, you must be the paid spokes hole for the IBEW.

ScottyDog, I was referring to LA Resident, amongst others. You can tell who the employees are--they are the most defensive. Did you know IBEW does have a paid blogger? Wouldn't you think she would have signed her real name?

any thoughts about the DWP employee union's legal action against the Daily News?

The State Supreme Court rules this is public information and the Daily News makes it public.

IBEW has to pander to its members so it sues, and in so doing makes the public want to see what the fuss is about.

Maybe there are larger issues here that we are forgetting. Without the press poking at government and showing how our money is spent we lose as a democracy.

The irony is that unions are supposed to be democratic, and everything is out in the open. If it works for the members, it should work for society too.

Maybe IBEW is doing a good thing. If they lose can you imagine what the press will do to other city unions by exposing their overpaid workers? Then again, why should the Daily News wait?

1+1 = 2

RATES ARE LOW
PAY IS HIGH
CITY GETS MOULAH

WHY IS THIS BAD?

I do not understand why ScottyDogPoop, CourtRetorter, and the rest

DO NOT UNDERTSAND BASIC MATH.

WHO CARES if they get good pay? Is this a crime?

MORE POWER TO THEM!

A fine example of an efficient CITY DEPARTMENT.

You can WHINE ALL DAY. The basic facts are the TRUTH OF THE MATTER.

Now go punch a wall and get a life.

Here's the math. 7.8 BILLION in bond increases over the next five years. DWP is 8% green, SCE is 17%. Some of the bond money is going to the City for spending now. Raz, you just don't know what municipal financial suicide is. That's where we are heading. The union has been sucking up the capital that should have gone into maintaining the system. If the union had prevailing wages and the City didn't siphon off money, DWP ratepayers would have a reliable, green system at rates low enough to attract economic development. Your math seems limited to your gross pay stub.

I'm not sure where you are getting your info. DWP paid nearly ALL of it's debt off in the late 90s to prep for competing in the deregulated market. They paid it off, reduced their workforce by 1/3, and never sold their old plants. Shortly thereafter, they made a killing in the ensuing chaos selling power that the state grid desperately needed at the prevailing rate. The DWP still has NOT returned to a NORMAL debt level at all. If you look, you will see that DWP has very little debt right now for what is industry-typical of its revenue stream. The recent fund raising is for the BOLD AND AGGRESSIVE renewable energy efforts set at 20% by 2010. It is also for the infrastructure upgrades that have been desperately needed.

The DWP is in a very good postion to bring renewable energy to its customers BECAUSE they have kept payroll numbers down (fewer employees) and not taken on debt. Now they are moving to meet the wishes of the citizens of LA as directed to them by the Mayor, the Council, and the Commission for bringing renewable energy in and improving reliability. These things all COST MONEY and a lot of it.

All the while, COLA adjustments for its employees HAVE been provided. This is a fair and commendable thing. The COLA set in the contracts reflects CPI for US AVERAGE city, not the SoCal CPI which is higher. This means that with every non-minimal COLA's, the DWP employee loses ground since the SoCal index is always HIGHER than the US City average CPI.

It's not DWP's fault that the City of LA cannot afford the same benefit to it's employees, NOR should the DWP assist in paying those higher wages (via the transfer) if the city already TAXES the ratepayer on their utility bills.

Like Hillzilla said, if the people of LA have a problem, then let them speak at the polls.

If you want to compare Edison to DWP why don't you start with the rates? My typical SCE bill ranges from a low of $250 per month in the winter to a high of $450 in the summer. If we experience a lenghty heatwave it can surpass $500 a month. Mind you, this is a MONTHLY bill, not bimonthly like DWP and it includes electricity ONLY; no water, no sewer, or anything else. After deregualtion failed our rates increased 60% AT ONE TIME - Edison bills more than doubled and we've had more increases since then. I wouldn't care how much SCE paid their employees if they offered DWP rates. DWP customers don't know what 'high rates' are and I for one, am sick and tired of hearing the whinning. Focus on the low rates you have instead of how much DWP employees are paid and MOVE ON...enough already!

Razor, when you get done here we can chat.

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Please click on the following links for additional information:

October 2, 2007 Presentation on Proposed Water and Power Rate Actions

October 2, 2007 Presentation on Overview of Proposed Electric Rate Restructuring

Press Release on LADWP Commissioners Approval of Water and Power Rate Actions

Proposed Electric Rate Schedules and Cost Adjustment Factors

Chronological Listing of 2007-08 LADWP Rates Proposals Process

LADWP Resolution Form & Instructions for Neighborhood Councils

Commercial Customer Q and A - Proposed 2007 Power Rate Action

Commercial Customer Q and A - Proposed 2007 Water Rate Action

June 2007 Rates Proposals Workshop
Includes both the streaming video and slideshow

2007 Huron Study - LADWP Revenue Requirements

2007 Huron Study Presentation - LADWP Revenue Requirements

CAO & CLA Letter to Mayor & City Council Regarding 2007 Huron Study

LADWP Letter to CAO & CLA Regarding 2007 Huron Study

Overview of Proposed XRT and XCD Rate Modifications Presentation

Overview of Proposed Net Metering Presentation

Press Release on LADWP Commissioners Approval of 2007-08 Budget

LADWP Proposed Power Rate Action Fact Sheet

LADWP Proposed Water Rate Action Fact Sheet

Presentation on Power System’s Proposed Fiscal Year 2007/08 Financial Plan, Revenue Increases and Rate Restructuring

Presentation on Water System’s Proposed Fiscal Year 2007/08 Financial Plan and Revenue Increases

June 23, 2007 Workshop Presentation on Power System Proposed Revenue Increases and Rate Modernization

June 23, 2007 Workshop Presentation on Water System Proposed Revenue Increases and Rate Modifications

Workshop Presentation on Overview of Proposed Electric Rate Restructuring

For more information on rate proposals, please email Rate.Proposal@ladwp.com or call 1-800-DIAL DWP.

No thanks. Wasted enough time here restating the obvious to the deaf.

Perhaps the obvious is:

The union can continue fighting against the public's right to know, or it can join with the public in making Los Angeles a better city. And that would mean working to reduce the costs of city government and using the savings to improve services.

http://www.dailynews.com/search/ci_7139942

Wee_Jimmy or your real name" Leslie Nixon..who says she was assaulted by a white woman, and harrased by non black management and harrassed by other employees at more then one plant..your game can only last so long...theres a reason people like you are stereotyped....because the things they say are true and you do nothing with your actions but support them...So take your racial BS and tell someone who cares in my opinion they should have fired your butt long ago...oh no maybe youll wanna sue me now..oooohhh scared

How many people are jealous because they went to college for 4 plus years and make less than LADWP employees?? Is that USC student loan still lingering every month?

Daily News: You've always been a right-wing propaganda rag and that's all you'll ever be. What do you pay your employees these days? I think I made five dollar and twenty five cents an hour with no benefits when I worked for you.

I have an idea, how about Ron Kaye tells us how much money *he* makes and then we can see how our salaries compare with those of pseudo-journalist editors with a political agenda who use their newspapers for political gain! Or, better, how about we check to see how much the execs at DynCorp and Blackwater are making and then calculate how much money they've each pulled in for every American and Iraqi life lost? Stop asking your readers to make false choices, you hack! The real enemy isn't the working men and women of the LADWP, its the war profiteers bleeding our country dry.

I'm going to start off by saying I am not a DWP employee, but because of DWP employees I'm sitting here at my computer with the lights turned on. I'm not really sure what the problem is with all of you left wing loonies out there. Do you not like people who work hard and make good money? Or is it just those who make more money than you? As for the Daily News, I think you should be focusing on real issues of city corruption instead of publicizing the salary information of hard-working men and women.

The union, and all the complainers on this message board, who didn't want the taxpaying public to know how much they're overpaid were proven wrong by the court. They also proved that they want to hide their generous salaries and benefits from the public because they clearly don't deserve them given that they're so out of line with the rest of the city and the private sector. The Daily News will certainly come out victorious in their countersuit against the union that had the gall to attempt to shut up the public's right to know and freedom of the press.

Our politicians are owned by these bureaucrat unions. How can the L.A. city council have the nerve to force LAX hotels to pay more than minimum wage to unskilled workers while they tax these same workers and their employers excessively and gouge them on utility rates by a monopoly utility? Hypocrites. The system needs major change. That should start with banning labor unions from government jobs.

As for the comments above, if you're worth what you think then you should have no fear to compete on the open market for your job. Get rid of your union. In a free market, perhaps linemen will be paid more than they currently are when the utility isn't paying painters, landscapers, clerks and marketing representatives double what they'd earn in the private sector. Heck, most of these people who've been in union jobs at the DWP for most of their careers would probably not last a day in the private sector with their greedy, entitlement-minded, customer-be-damned nasty attitudes.

The judge issued her decision after the union's attorney, Robert Dohrmann, briefly argued that disclosing the information could put DWP security officers at risk. "There are categories of people who need protection," he said.

Now there's a compelling argument from the IBEW attorney. Security Officers are represented by SEIU.

Your reactionary indignance is wasted on this moot point. DWP pays salaries necessary to keep workers from hemhorraging to Edison. End of that argument. (Hint: they're not competing with the rest of the City's workers, they're competing with the private sector)

You should be focusing more on the fact that your Republican friend, Dick Riordan, began milking the utility for $115 million per year in the '90s, ratepayer money that was otherwise spent on our utility infrastructure, mainly water mains and transmission lines. Now we have an aging infrastructure that threatens reliability of service, not to mention the destruction of property when water mains burst, thanks to shortsighted moves by your bonehead conservative friend. Gee, let's see how the low tax approach worked for San Diego's enlightened citizens, who have no county fire department: 1,000 homes burned. Add this to your resume: campaign for L.A. County to dismantle its fire department, so we can cut capital gains taxes for our hedge fund manager friends, who are no doubt middle-class regular joes like the rest of us.

The answer to "Uninformed Citizen's" silly rant about the glories of socialism vs the "evil" of a free market system is simply: look at the disaster of Los Angeles local government and the public utility. Ultra high taxes, union civil service, and pampered public servants works out great for you bureaucrats ... but the city is falling apart and citizens are getting sick of the taxes and the declining infrastructure.

It's quite clear from this message board and the IBEW's litigious reaction to the LA Daily News exposure of their salaries that they knew that they had it too good and didn't want the party to end. They knew the rate paying public would be outraged. The unions pay a lot to put out propaganda to the voters with lies that they're under-paid and attempts to scare the public into approving endless tax increases that only go to spoil the bureaucrats even more. All that investment in propaganda is being dismantled and the California taxpayers are waking up.

Over 40% of DWPs staff are nearing retirement ... that's indication that they hardly were inticed into leaving their cushy jobs at DWP to work for Edison or any private utility. These people guard their jobs like dogs with bones because they know they won't find the same elsewhere.

For the good of California, for Los Angeles, and for its citizen taxpayers ... the bureaucrat unions must be either severely weakened or completely dismantled and bureaucrats must be brought back into line with the private sector and made to do their jobs effectively for the public rather than wasting time and money fighting the public they're supposed to be serving.

LADWP is not paying high salaries to keep employees from leaving to Edison, the sad truth is most of the DWP engineers and craft could not cut it in the private sector. Once they are in for a few years, they have the golden handcuffs and their mediocre talent cannot command equivalent compensation and benefits allowing a generous retirement at 55.

THE DWP BOARD HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT NO COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS WAS DONE ON SALARIES!! This is purely a function of a strong union and weak management, and the City of L.A. will always have a ratepayer to soak.

I don't work for DWP, but I do not find these salaries to be excesive.

There may be other problems with DWP, but salaries is not one of them

These are grossly inaccurate. My husband is on that list and we(my part time income included) have NEVER made that kind of money.

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