No the valley is not better off! They pay the majority of the taxes and get nothing for it! I do not live in the valley any longer but feel bad for the way that city hall treats the good people of the valley! Villaragosa cares nothing about the valley, he's a bigot of the worst kind! One with power! I hope that sucession works at some time, so the cash cow for city hall will be gone! That way they will be forced to be financially responsible!
That's right,downtown still treats the valley badly,were nothing more than a cash cow to be milked for everthing the city can get,and they give us the shaft in return.
The only way it would have worked and could work is to change the state legislation. People in the area should have been the only ones to have voted. As to the Mayor, the present Mayor or any future Mayor of Los Angeles would fight it just as much.
Can you see your self in a cleaner valley, a greener valley? Its all possible the question is are you gona lets down town stop us. It’s long over do and as we can see none of the promises we kept the end.
Actually, yes.. Yes!! It is. I love the Orange Line! I use it every day. Thank you City Hall... You can't please everyone, but at least this lifelong Valley resident is grateful.
we should get the movement going again to split from LA. All the monies are being spent on downtown and Hollywood, Nokia Theater and Grand Ave project. Nothing for the valley. We will always be 2nd rate to the powers of downtown.
If the Valley was independent, it would still be a large unmanageable City spanning from Woodland Hills to Sun Valley. Instead of Downtown vs. Valley you’d have valley areas battling valley areas. The only way to get manageable cities is to split the valley into at least two cities, the 405 makes a natural boundary for east and west valley cities. Then you need to have the City run by professional City Managers (i.e. Burbank, Calabasas, Glendale, etc.).
Yes on secession! It's amazing how different things are just over the line at Rocky Peak in Simi Valley. Everything from the blight to the graffiti. It's not a race thing, it's an attitude thing. It's about quality of life and the SFV deserves better.
No!!!! The Valley has never been better off as part of Los Angeles.
The corrupt administration of Hahn spent millions of dollars of both taxpayer money and political bribes to stop secession. You must remember secession did win in the Valley and since when do we need permission from our oppressors to be free?
The Valley appears only as a large source of revenue that can be used to subsidize the downtown developers and politicians and at the same time provide nearly no services that the Valley needs.
The pay raises granted the unions, without any revenue sources, are plainly obscene. They are given to generate more political contributions to the self-serving politicians that vote for these pay raises.
We now have a so-called emergency telephone tax to replace an illegal telephone tax on the ballot. The proposed increase in Water and Power fees will be used to fund the 7% bribe paid by Water & Power to the City of Los Angeles’ slush fund.
Our City politicians tell us that if we don’t support these huge fee increases, they will cut fire and police services even more because there is no place else to cut the budget.
The Valley now has advancing gangs, crimes, housing for the poor and all of the negative aspects of downtown Los Angeles. Rather than fix their problems, the administration is just trying to move their problems to the Valley.
If the Valley’s tax receipts were spent on the Valley to improve our lifestyle, it would lower the crime rate and improve services. We would not allow downtown to dump their homeless and poor in our communities and I very seriously doubt the Valley would become a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants.
The Valley is a multi-ethnic community containing many legal immigrants who, like the rest of us, only want low crime and good community services.
Unless we can get the State of CA to change the law and allow only the votes in the Valley to count toward whether we could secede, secession will fail because of the huge brides the developers, unions and power brokers would exercise to block it again.
The apparent solution for the current politicians is simply reducing the quality of the lifestyle in the Valley to the low level of Los Angeles.
If the people on the West side really thought about it, they would also secede and leave Los Angeles, as it is a decaying, corrupt, political quagmire.
In no way we are better now. I agree with most of what you all say and don’t like to be redundant. I hate that every good book I want to get from the library is available only in Downtown. I defintely feel 2nd rate citizen. WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME? HOW DO WE CHANGE THE LAW?
Working for the City of LA In Downtown Los Angeles and Living in the valley is much worse then just living in the valley you oly think they abuse the Valley I know they do they allow Valley residents and business to subsidize the poor business and residents by picking up there commercial trash wasting money on streets and services valley residents would find themselves in front of the city attorney for if they even thought about doing.
From More Police and Fire to more street services, LA residents get twice as much for paying half as much. Valley Pays more in taxes and fees while downtown poor areas don't even pay fees. One example is the building permits, valley residents pay millions, while most construction in poor areas is unpermited and ok'd by building and safety officials. More Street resurfacing in LA while Valley residents get slurry which amounts to spray painting your street so you think you got something. So succesful has the lying program been that it has increased, demand the valley get resurfacing not spray painting of it's streets.
NO…….The valley is still footing the bill for downtowns waste of money even with the blood money we would have had to pay to the "Socialist Republic of Los Angeles" we would still have had more of our tax Dollars left to put into the valley's needs. L.A.'s been ripping the valley taxpayers off for far to long we pay the largest portion of the LA tax’s and get the least back in services. It's time to start a new drive for city hood!
Working for the City of LA In Downtown Los Angeles and Living in the valley is much worse then just living in the valley you oly think they abuse the Valley I know they do they allow Valley residents and business to subsidize the poor business and residents by picking up there commercial trash wasting money on streets and services valley residents would find themselves in front of the city attorney for if they even thought about doing.
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Do you know how much water infrastructure costs? Billions of dollars.
You're not going to have any of that (more police, more fireman, ect ect ect) cause you're not factoring in infrastructure upgrading and expansion, Transportation expenses, power supply and the growing demand for more...
Or do you expect LA to give us all of that for free?
I know the grass is always greener on the other side...but the grass you're seeing is Astroturf.
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hECK NO seccesion is the only way that the valley gets its fair share. That is the only way. especially
LAUSD (SFUSD)
Posted by: D A | November 4, 2007 1:07 AM
No the valley is not better off! They pay the majority of the taxes and get nothing for it! I do not live in the valley any longer but feel bad for the way that city hall treats the good people of the valley! Villaragosa cares nothing about the valley, he's a bigot of the worst kind! One with power! I hope that sucession works at some time, so the cash cow for city hall will be gone! That way they will be forced to be financially responsible!
Posted by: Ed O'Shea | November 4, 2007 3:03 AM
That's right,downtown still treats the valley badly,were nothing more than a cash cow to be milked for everthing the city can get,and they give us the shaft in return.
Posted by: D.Woodward | November 4, 2007 5:51 AM
If another bid for secession came again, I'd support it.
Posted by: Larry B | November 4, 2007 7:08 AM
The only way it would have worked and could work is to change the state legislation. People in the area should have been the only ones to have voted. As to the Mayor, the present Mayor or any future Mayor of Los Angeles would fight it just as much.
Posted by: Norman | November 4, 2007 7:20 AM
Can you see your self in a cleaner valley, a greener valley? Its all possible the question is are you gona lets down town stop us. It’s long over do and as we can see none of the promises we kept the end.
Posted by: R. santos | November 4, 2007 9:12 AM
Actually, yes.. Yes!! It is. I love the Orange Line! I use it every day. Thank you City Hall... You can't please everyone, but at least this lifelong Valley resident is grateful.
Posted by: DP | November 4, 2007 9:26 AM
You would have to be an idiot not to recognize change. The grass isn't always greener on the other side!!!!
Posted by: Encino Man | November 4, 2007 9:26 AM
we should get the movement going again to split from LA. All the monies are being spent on downtown and Hollywood, Nokia Theater and Grand Ave project. Nothing for the valley. We will always be 2nd rate to the powers of downtown.
Posted by: George Hwang | November 4, 2007 9:47 AM
If the Valley was independent, it would still be a large unmanageable City spanning from Woodland Hills to Sun Valley. Instead of Downtown vs. Valley you’d have valley areas battling valley areas. The only way to get manageable cities is to split the valley into at least two cities, the 405 makes a natural boundary for east and west valley cities. Then you need to have the City run by professional City Managers (i.e. Burbank, Calabasas, Glendale, etc.).
Posted by: Don | November 4, 2007 2:23 PM
Yes on secession! It's amazing how different things are just over the line at Rocky Peak in Simi Valley. Everything from the blight to the graffiti. It's not a race thing, it's an attitude thing. It's about quality of life and the SFV deserves better.
Posted by: MiddleMan | November 4, 2007 4:12 PM
No!!!! The Valley has never been better off as part of Los Angeles.
The corrupt administration of Hahn spent millions of dollars of both taxpayer money and political bribes to stop secession. You must remember secession did win in the Valley and since when do we need permission from our oppressors to be free?
The Valley appears only as a large source of revenue that can be used to subsidize the downtown developers and politicians and at the same time provide nearly no services that the Valley needs.
The pay raises granted the unions, without any revenue sources, are plainly obscene. They are given to generate more political contributions to the self-serving politicians that vote for these pay raises.
We now have a so-called emergency telephone tax to replace an illegal telephone tax on the ballot. The proposed increase in Water and Power fees will be used to fund the 7% bribe paid by Water & Power to the City of Los Angeles’ slush fund.
Our City politicians tell us that if we don’t support these huge fee increases, they will cut fire and police services even more because there is no place else to cut the budget.
The Valley now has advancing gangs, crimes, housing for the poor and all of the negative aspects of downtown Los Angeles. Rather than fix their problems, the administration is just trying to move their problems to the Valley.
If the Valley’s tax receipts were spent on the Valley to improve our lifestyle, it would lower the crime rate and improve services. We would not allow downtown to dump their homeless and poor in our communities and I very seriously doubt the Valley would become a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants.
The Valley is a multi-ethnic community containing many legal immigrants who, like the rest of us, only want low crime and good community services.
Unless we can get the State of CA to change the law and allow only the votes in the Valley to count toward whether we could secede, secession will fail because of the huge brides the developers, unions and power brokers would exercise to block it again.
The apparent solution for the current politicians is simply reducing the quality of the lifestyle in the Valley to the low level of Los Angeles.
If the people on the West side really thought about it, they would also secede and leave Los Angeles, as it is a decaying, corrupt, political quagmire.
Posted by: Charles Brink | November 4, 2007 4:24 PM
What did it "win" by? 50.1 % to 49.9%? I'm being sarcastic, but I KNOW I'm not that far off. It barely passed in the valley.
Posted by: Joe MaMa | November 4, 2007 4:33 PM
SECESSION ANYONE? LETS DO IT RIGHT THIS TIME!!!
Posted by: tom bates | November 4, 2007 5:38 PM
SECESSION ANYONE? LETS DO IT RIGHT THIS TIME!!!
Posted by: tom bates | November 4, 2007 5:39 PM
In no way we are better now. I agree with most of what you all say and don’t like to be redundant. I hate that every good book I want to get from the library is available only in Downtown. I defintely feel 2nd rate citizen. WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME? HOW DO WE CHANGE THE LAW?
Posted by: Lea | November 4, 2007 6:05 PM
It's not tax money, it's water.
In theory, I would love have the Valley leave LA...but to do it on the verge of a Water crisis....
Not a smart move.
Posted by: TBH | November 4, 2007 6:08 PM
Working for the City of LA In Downtown Los Angeles and Living in the valley is much worse then just living in the valley you oly think they abuse the Valley I know they do they allow Valley residents and business to subsidize the poor business and residents by picking up there commercial trash wasting money on streets and services valley residents would find themselves in front of the city attorney for if they even thought about doing.
From More Police and Fire to more street services, LA residents get twice as much for paying half as much. Valley Pays more in taxes and fees while downtown poor areas don't even pay fees. One example is the building permits, valley residents pay millions, while most construction in poor areas is unpermited and ok'd by building and safety officials. More Street resurfacing in LA while Valley residents get slurry which amounts to spray painting your street so you think you got something. So succesful has the lying program been that it has increased, demand the valley get resurfacing not spray painting of it's streets.
Posted by: Confused | November 4, 2007 6:51 PM
NO…….The valley is still footing the bill for downtowns waste of money even with the blood money we would have had to pay to the "Socialist Republic of Los Angeles" we would still have had more of our tax Dollars left to put into the valley's needs. L.A.'s been ripping the valley taxpayers off for far to long we pay the largest portion of the LA tax’s and get the least back in services. It's time to start a new drive for city hood!
Posted by: fwb | November 4, 2007 7:15 PM
Confused-
You are an old ad for the secession movement. That was so 5 years ago, you need new ammunition.
Posted by: Joe MaMa | November 4, 2007 8:16 PM
Working for the City of LA In Downtown Los Angeles and Living in the valley is much worse then just living in the valley you oly think they abuse the Valley I know they do they allow Valley residents and business to subsidize the poor business and residents by picking up there commercial trash wasting money on streets and services valley residents would find themselves in front of the city attorney for if they even thought about doing.
Posted by: Confused
Do you know how much water infrastructure costs? Billions of dollars.
You're not going to have any of that (more police, more fireman, ect ect ect) cause you're not factoring in infrastructure upgrading and expansion, Transportation expenses, power supply and the growing demand for more...
Or do you expect LA to give us all of that for free?
I know the grass is always greener on the other side...but the grass you're seeing is Astroturf.
Posted by: TBH | November 4, 2007 9:57 PM
I still have my signe in the garage. I am ready to start.
Posted by: ron elliott | November 4, 2007 10:44 PM
no the valley is not better,I'M moving after being here since 1921.
!!!
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