Rachel Clark and Joseph Turner debate again

Posting these links to the candidates speaking outside the televised candidates’ forum is the best service SBNow Blog has provided since inception!
There it is for all to see & hear (hear better than see, but that’s OK): Joe Turner speaking like the old Disneyland Abe Lincoln robot ~ same words, same pauses, same movie cited with same pause while the hoped for response went unpresented. He only fumbles when he’s guessing how many investigators are assigned to Office of City Clerk. Yes folks, he wants to be the boss of people, but doesn’t know how many people we’re talking about. Listen/see the tape! It’s right there!
On the other tape, there’s Rachel, sharing the facts of accomplishments in Office of City Clerk, such as 2,000 first notices going out and almost $200,000 in revenues coming in ~ and we’re only talking last year alone here!
Try to follow Joe’s, “I don’t know how many investigators there are”, talk. Anyone wanting a public office should, minimally, at least know how many of each position there are employees for ~ geez! How can you hope to keep tabs on an ever-changing city population when you don’t even know how many folk are investigators, or anything else, in the office you have dedicated your life toward seeking ~ at least since switching hats from illegal alien activist, then, businessman…
Then, listen to Rachel outline how, for 17 years now, Office of City Clerk has been collaborating effectively with fire department, ambulance service and many listed others to keep tabs on potential unlicensed housing situations across the city in ways that are expedient, cost-effective and provide almost real-time information from the field.
Listen to Joe pull numbers out of thin air, then, listen to Rachel provide an overview of the actual events taking place under her competent, capable and consistent leadership, as well as the accounting and financial information. It’s all on the videp clips!
Please, if you don’t come out and see these events live, at least watch them from the comfort of home!
One viewing of these tapes and there’s no way anyone would ever consider anyone but:
RACHEL CLARK FOR CITY CLERK!

Robert,
Following on the heels of my request that you revisit the Milligan off-the-record issue comes this request that you revisit the caption to the penultimate photo in this thread erroneously stating, "The shot below is of McCammack and Turner. McCammack joined every councilmember and the mayor in publicly supporting Turner, but has admitted to speaking in support of his candidacy to a gathering of local Republican Party members."
It is serendipitous that I have brought both these issues to light; my focus is far from that of nitpicker, yet these matters both demand your immediate attention.
Though initially incredulous when comments that your bias is showing were shared with me this week, I, too, now begin to wonder. Are these Freudian slips? Would the caliber of professionalism be augmented through the addition of an editorial element, anticipated to curtail these serious errors at SBNow Blog?
Your Loyal Reader & Contributor,
Susana Atanasova

Susana:

Your comments are sometimes insightful and sometimes bizarre.

If you expect every person running for office to have the same fundamental grasp for the ins and outs of an incumbent of 17 years, then you would never vote for a challenger.

Nobody knows what is going on in the City Clerk's office as I have heard several different reports that there is at least one investigator assigned to check for business licenses.

I find it odd that you nitpick this comment, yet, ignore the contradictions of Rachel Clark. She stated that she is only an administrator, not a regulator.

If that is the case, why do they have any investigators at all and if it isn't the City Clerk's job to make sure businesses have business licenses, whose job is it?

Rachel states that it isn't her job to monitor sales tax receipts, yet, two years ago the City purchased expensive software for the express purpose of comparing and auditing revenue reports made by businesses to the BOE versus City Hall, ostensibly to see if the numbers matched and if businesses were accurately reporting to the city their tax burden.

Why would the City Clerk be colloborating with these agencies if it was only an administrative position?

You can't have it both ways.

Finally, if the City Clerk is really collaborating and doing all that they can to register businesses, explain why a group home can go several years operating in an unlicensed rental even after it was showcased in a mayoral campaign hit piece?

I had to pop back over here to grab the web address to this page, so folks could see for themselves what Joe wrote. I think they'd think it a joke otherwise. Well folks, now you can see for yourselves: It's no joke.
Joe expects folks to vote him into an office he doesn't even have a ballpark employee/Staff count on. There's no way to develop a realistic plan without the core information.
Any of the numerous serious candidates for any number of offices have gone forward as candidates, sought the information about the office they seek, then, set to the task of devising a realistic plan for enacting change and progress. There's not one candidate that I've ever met, and I've met just about every one you can think of over the years, that said in essence, "Just give me the job ~ I'll figure out what to do with it, later, when I have a clue as to what I'll have to work with".
Please.
Joe, in the politest of terms: Your political acumen still needs more time on the vine.
There's a place for you, but it isn't Office of City Clerk ~ I wish you the very best of success in finding your place in this chapter of your life.
Your Friend & Neighbor,
Susana Atanasova

Dear Joe,
I’ll insert my commentary after your unaltered text for continuity.
J: Susana:
J: Your comments are sometimes insightful and sometimes bizarre.
S: If by “bizarre” you mean in disagreement with yours, you’re right.
J: If you expect every person running for office to have the same fundamental grasp for the ins and outs of an incumbent of 17 years, then you would never vote for a challenger.
S: You mean like my widely shared support of Jim Mulvihill in 7th ward? “Fundamental” is the key word here and yes, I do expect a candidate for any office to have at least visited the office they plan to populate ~ to at least have sat down with the current person in the position sought and talked about things. Good communication skills are paramount.
J: Nobody knows what is going on in the City Clerk's office as I have heard several different reports that there is at least one investigator assigned to check for business licenses.
S: Rachel Clark does. You have been to televised and other forums with her and she has always been polite and courteous to you, Joe. There is no denying it. Anyone who has ever dealt with Rachel will easily confirm that all you ever had to do was ask. Alas, it’s way too late now. Your flaw has been exposed. Next time, you’ll do better. We all live & learn.
S: Additionally, “hearing several reports” is A-OK, but a real leader goes after the facts, not languishing for reports to reach on high. A little initiative ( excuse the completely unintentional pun alluding incidentally to your failed ballot initiative, but what other word works here?), anyway, a little initiative on your part ~ going to the oracle, the source, know what I mean, Joe? That would have served you well. You failed to do that. I doubt someone as intelligent as you will make the same error twice. Planning is everything & the devil is in the details.
J: I find it odd that you nitpick this comment, yet, ignore the contradictions of Rachel Clark. She stated that she is only an administrator, not a regulator.
S: You are seriously kidding me right, Joe? We’re none of us that dim as to fall for that one. After 17 years on the job ~ doing the job ~ Rachel knows every detail of every task, both the major & the mundane, mandated to Office of City Clerk in the SBMC. Where was your attention focused as she even cited it, with a hard copy for substantiation, right there at the table you were both sharing during the forum posted in part via video clip here? Geez. You can come up with a better one that than, Joe.
J: If that is the case, why do they have any investigators at all and if it isn't the City Clerk's job to make sure businesses have business licenses, whose job is it?
S: How many investigators is it that again, Joe? Have you paused on the campaign trail long enough to even garner that, to use your own term, “fundamental grasp of the ins & outs” of the position you seek, Joe? Or, as I suspect, are you still flying blind when it comes to the reality of Office of City Clerk? All it would take to illuminate you on this point is one call to Rachel Clark. Is this telling about your communication skills and abilities to work well with others, Joe? It would seem so.
J: Rachel states that it isn't her job to monitor sales tax receipts, yet, two years ago the City purchased expensive software for the express purpose of comparing and auditing revenue reports made by businesses to the BOE versus City Hall, ostensibly to see if the numbers matched and if businesses were accurately reporting to the city their tax burden. Why would the City Clerk be colloborating with these agencies if it was only an administrative position?
S: It may come as a surprise to you Joe, but The City purchases expensive vehicles and Rachel has been behind the wheel of every one of them ~ The City purchases lopers that will never be held in Rachel’s hands ~ The City purchases medicine balls that Rachel has to call to clutter Office of City Clerk with. Moreover, after the meticulous explanation provided you earlier of how it is irrefutably Finance Department that deals with such matters, why do you insist upon repeating the same old repeatedly disproved yarn about Rachel being the contact person for BOE matters? Finance Departmental Head Fred Wilson, contact person for BOE. There. Copy and paste that somewhere and memorize it. GEEZ. I truly suspect you are intentionally repeating this Rachel association with BOE long after learning it is untrue in the interest of having the message reach uninformed voters and that is just plan disingenuous and demonstrable of shady character. Shame, shame. If I’m wrong tell me, please, how it is you continue to mention BOE & Rachel in the same sentence. I will wait to hear the answer to that one, Joe.
J: You can't have it both ways.
S: Nor do I provide the slightest indication of that being what I desire. What I can have, if you will allow it, is discourse with you where blatant mistruths are not repeated long after you have repeatedly been apprised of the realities of the situations.
J: Finally, if the City Clerk is really collaborating and doing all that they can to register businesses, explain why a group home can go several years operating in an unlicensed rental even after it was showcased in a mayoral campaign hit piece?
S: You may have still been residing in Chicago at the time, but those of us that were here and witnessed it can attest to the veracity of City ATTORNEY, not City CLERK being the office heading out to pose in a hard hat before a bulldozer in the efforts to “clean up” San Bernardino ~ and it being the same office just this year, when I personally know you were here, that went around checking the homes over in 3rd ward I believe it was ~ the homes that the owner wrote to the Sun about… Those of us that have been here quite a while know it is ALWAYS Code Compliance, SBPD and City Attorney’s office that tackle these things. Your query is a valid one and I, too, would like to know what Jim Penman has allowed that location to remain illegal for YEARS & YEARS, as you say. Please, demonstrate for us all what your level of communication skills are by posing this inquiry to the proper official, namely Jim Penman. Then, please post commentary here regarding your results obtained directly from Jim Penman on this issue. As a hopeful for Office of City Clerk, surely you and the various departmental heads share open and frequent communications. Your timely response to this will demonstrate the efficacy of that. I await it most eagerly.
That concludes my attentive response to your every line of commentary, Joe.
Your Friend & Neighbor, Wishing You The Best of Successes In Your Future Endeavors,
Susana Atanasova

Susan go take a break and paint your house. THe peeling paint makes the moose look even worse!

Susana:

I simply refuse to read your comments anymore until you learn to make paragraphs/line breaks.

Much too hard on the eyes and difficult to follow.

First I've got to clue poor ol' argh in: It's not peeling ~ if it were it'd be happening all over. I am deliberately *scraping* the paint on the front north corner of the house only. I've already got my 5 gallons of KILZ 2, or is it 3 now? And, the paint, paper, tape, etcetera. Not to worry, but thanks anyway. The moose/reindeer: I am SO on the same page with you on that! We are SO not topiary people! It'll be gone soon ~ it's almost dead... I was planning on taking it on out the first week of October, but hurt my foot taking out a dead tree instead... Truly, you may now focus on other things. It's all under control.

Now, to try to blog more attentively, for Joe and others:

Dear Joe,

I’ll insert my commentary after your unaltered text for continuity.

J: Susana:

J: Your comments are sometimes insightful and sometimes bizarre.

S: If by “bizarre” you mean in disagreement with yours, you’re right.

J: If you expect every person running for office to have the same fundamental grasp for the ins and outs of an incumbent of 17 years, then you would never vote for a challenger.

S: You mean like my widely shared support of Jim Mulvihill in 7th ward? “Fundamental” is the key word here and yes, I do expect a candidate for any office to have at least visited the office they plan to populate ~ to at least have sat down with the current person in the position sought and talked about things. Good communication skills are paramount.

J: Nobody knows what is going on in the City Clerk's office as I have heard several different reports that there is at least one investigator assigned to check for business licenses.

S: Rachel Clark does. You have been to televised and other forums with her and she has always been polite and courteous to you, Joe. There is no denying it. Anyone who has ever dealt with Rachel will easily confirm that all you ever had to do was ask. Alas, it’s way too late now. Your flaw has been exposed. Next time, you’ll do better. We all live & learn.

S: Additionally, “hearing several reports” is A-OK, but a real leader goes after the facts, not languishing for reports to reach on high. A little initiative ( excuse the completely unintentional pun alluding incidentally to your failed ballot initiative, but what other word works here?), anyway, a little initiative on your part ~ going to the oracle, the source, know what I mean, Joe? That would have served you well. You failed to do that. I doubt someone as intelligent as you will make the same error twice. Planning is everything & the devil is in the details.

J: I find it odd that you nitpick this comment, yet, ignore the contradictions of Rachel Clark. She stated that she is only an administrator, not a regulator.

S: You are seriously kidding me right, Joe? We’re none of us that dim as to fall for that one. After 17 years on the job ~ doing the job ~ Rachel knows every detail of every task, both the major & the mundane, mandated to Office of City Clerk in the SBMC. Where was your attention focused as she even cited it, with a hard copy for substantiation, right there at the table you were both sharing during the forum posted in part via video clip here? Geez. You can come up with a better one that than, Joe.

J: If that is the case, why do they have any investigators at all and if it isn't the City Clerk's job to make sure businesses have business licenses, whose job is it?

S: How many investigators is it that again, Joe? Have you paused on the campaign trail long enough to even garner that, to use your own term, “fundamental grasp of the ins & outs” of the position you seek, Joe? Or, as I suspect, are you still flying blind when it comes to the reality of Office of City Clerk? All it would take to illuminate you on this point is one call to Rachel Clark. Is this telling about your communication skills and abilities to work well with others, Joe? It would seem so.

J: Rachel states that it isn't her job to monitor sales tax receipts, yet, two years ago the City purchased expensive software for the express purpose of comparing and auditing revenue reports made by businesses to the BOE versus City Hall, ostensibly to see if the numbers matched and if businesses were accurately reporting to the city their tax burden. Why would the City Clerk be colloborating with these agencies if it was only an administrative position?

S: It may come as a surprise to you Joe, but The City purchases expensive vehicles and Rachel has been behind the wheel of every one of them ~ The City purchases lopers that will never be held in Rachel’s hands ~ The City purchases medicine balls that Rachel has to call to clutter Office of City Clerk with. Moreover, after the meticulous explanation provided you earlier of how it is irrefutably Finance Department that deals with such matters, why do you insist upon repeating the same old repeatedly disproved yarn about Rachel being the contact person for BOE matters? Finance Departmental Head Fred Wilson, contact person for BOE. There. Copy and paste that somewhere and memorize it. GEEZ. I truly suspect you are intentionally repeating this Rachel association with BOE long after learning it is untrue in the interest of having the message reach uninformed voters and that is just plan disingenuous and demonstrable of shady character. Shame, shame. If I’m wrong tell me, please, how it is you continue to mention BOE & Rachel in the same sentence. I will wait to hear the answer to that one, Joe.

J: You can't have it both ways.

S: Nor do I provide the
slightest indication of that being what I desire. What I can have, if you will allow it, is discourse with you where blatant mistruths are not repeated long after you have repeatedly been apprised of the realities of the situations.

J: Finally, if the City Clerk is really collaborating and doing all that they can to register businesses, explain why a group home can go several years operating in an unlicensed rental even after it was showcased in a mayoral campaign hit piece?

S: You may have still been residing in Chicago at the time, but those of us that were here and witnessed it can attest to the veracity of City ATTORNEY, not City CLERK being the office heading out to pose in a hard hat before a bulldozer in the efforts to “clean up” San Bernardino ~ and it being the same office just this year, when I personally know you were here, that went around checking the homes over in 3rd ward I believe it was ~ the homes that the owner wrote to the Sun about… Those of us that have been here quite a while know it is ALWAYS Code Compliance, SBPD and City Attorney’s office that tackle these things. Your query is a valid one and I, too, would like to know what Jim Penman has allowed that location to remain illegal for YEARS & YEARS, as you say. Please, demonstrate for us all what your level of communication skills are by posing this inquiry to the proper official, namely Jim Penman. Then, please post commentary here regarding your results obtained directly from Jim Penman on this issue. As a hopeful for Office of City Clerk, surely you and the various departmental heads share open and frequent communications. Your timely response to this will demonstrate the efficacy of that. I await it most eagerly.

That concludes my attentive response to your every line of commentary, Joe.

Your Friend & Neighbor, Wishing You The Best of Successes In Your Future Endeavors,
Susana Atanasova
THERE! I hope it's better now.

This last Joe Turner mailer has the putrid smell of Morris all over it. His good ole boys and their special interests cannot afford anyone
who may be elected to a position that is not beholden to them. Morris and his putrid cronies don't want to have to answer any questions that they don't already have the answers manipulated to be answered. If they get Jim Penman, Wendy McCammack, and Chas Kelley replaced by their "I'll be more collaborate" stooges, the Morris pack will have every base covered. They sure don't want Joe Turner in any position at City hall; especially if it is an elected position. It is all of the voter's (the real taxpayers who are pulling the wagon),
best interest to speak well of the decent
people that the Morris pack is trying so hard to replace and keep from getting a shot in the Clerk's office. It is imperative that we don't give up one single vote even though it may look like there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Let's get out there and show this Papa Morris, his coattail Son, his "no bid contract" Daughter, his Chief of Police who allowed OUR helpcopter to be used by Morris for political grandstanding last year, his four Council putos, and the appointed City Manager and Milligan types, that we will not rollover and play dead when the going and the mud gets tough. We need the message to be delivered door to door as Mr. Turner has been doing. It is tough to give up a few hours, but if you are given the opportunity to stand up and do this, step up and do it. If you lose one single person mentioned above, you will always ask yourself" I could have made the difference" in giving Morris and his pack free rein four at least two more years and then another four. Don't let his money buy this election and our voice.

Speaking of the smell of foul literature, just read the lastest from Joe Turner. First, it represents Joe Turner San Bernardino City Clerk, not Joe Turner "for" San Bernardino City Clerk. Then it addresses 4 points of tough, innovative leadership that he will:

1. Ensure all rental properties are properly licensed and shut down those refusing to comply.

Fact - the reason why rental properties are required to be "registered" not licensed is to generate revenue for the city. Revenue that goes into the general fund for services needed in the city. Has anyone even wondered how much money this program made since 1990 when it was first initiated? When he speak of "shutting" down those refusing to comply - well, compliance is to place a lien of the property and monies is receoved through the payment of property taxes. A simple phone to the City Clerks Office confirmed this. Did Mr. Turner know this simple fact? Also, shutting them down without being registered will only loose city money and rentals will remain there without the property owner paying the fee.

2. Strip absentee slumlords of thier business license if they fail to abide by our code compoliance standars and put them out of business. Fact- the City Clerk Office has no power to "strip" away "registration" not license from any business owner. The City Clerk Office only enforces code that requires business to comply with obtaining a registration. If they are not in compliance that is a Development and Code issue. Again, The City Clerks Office is a revenue generated office and enforces business owners OBTAIN registrations.

3. Require group homes to register online so families can protect their children from sexual predators and other dangerous individuals.

Fact - group homes are not required to have a business registration (license per Mr. Turner) for 6 or fewer occupants. Over 6 occupant is not allowed in residential areas. So, how could he close down something that is not even required to have a business registration (not license).

4. Make sure businesses collect the proper sales tax and remit it to our city.
Fact - that is not a function of the City Clerk Office, it is State Board of Equalization job to report it to the cities and the Department of Finance to make sure the cities recieve their correct portion. Sales Tax & Revenue collected for businesses is two separate functions.

Again, Mr. Turner does not even know the function of the City Clerks Office. Not to say he does not have issues and ideas, but he should have done his homework before stepping into an arena he knows little about. If he was that interested in the position itself he would have educated himsself of the functions of the office instead of speaking on areas that has little to do with the office and how it works. Does he even know that there are two divisions of the City Clerk's Office? Sounds like he would be a good liason for the Police Department since they are his biggest supporters.

By the way.... speaking of licenses - did he know that the person or persons who are selling those degrading t-shirts does not have a business registration (license)? Did he know that selling from the trunk of a car is ILLEGAL in the city limits? For that matter, does Mr. Lawhead know that he is breaking the very code that Mr. Turner wants to enforce????????

Official Sex Predator Guide – mailed to San Bernardino residents by Friends of Joe Turner. Mr. Turner and his cronies must really think the folks in San Bernardino are dumber that doorknobs if he thinks they will believe everything he has included in this document. Right off the bat, on the front cover, he lists a blatant lie. The address at 3981 Genevieve Street is licensed and has been since prior to 1985; however, it is an apartment and is listed under the address of 3969-81 Genevieve. The residents are family members of Mr. Arrey, but he does not reside at that address.
At least three times he indicates that he is Joseph Turner San Bernardino City Clerk. OOPS – He just conveniently forgot to put in the word "for" prior to the words, "San Bernardino City Clerk." I can’t help but wonder whether the printing company that did his printing for him didn’t notice this blatant lack of integrity, but birds of a feather stick together.

Rick Lawhead, President, San Bernardino Police Officers Association, is quoted as saying " . . . he is the only candidate for City Clerk with a real plan to tackle the true source of our crime problems." I’ve never heard what that plan is, other than Mr. Turner’s pie in the sky ramblings. And if this is the kind of investigation he does prior to running these folks out of their homes, we should have a few more lawsuits to keep our attorney’s office busy.

Last, but not least, his attempt to convince people that he was endorsed by The Sun newspaper was nothing more than pathetic. Everyone who reads the paper knows The Sun endorsed Rachel Clark for City Clerk. In fact, what The Sun said was that "It’s no place for the political extremism of Turner . . . City Clerk is a technical, bureaucratic position that requires attention to administrative detail and complete fairness above all else."

All I can say is Mr. Turner and the Police Officer’s Association must be feeling desperate, that they don’t even care that people will actually check out their facts and see their outrageous duplicity and lack of integrity. Or, they are actually intimating that the residents of San Bernardino are so dumb and ill informed, that no one would notice these facts? Either way, I can only hope that the citizens of this city see Mr. Turner for what he really is and vote on November 6 for Rachel Clark for City Clerk.

This may be a little unrelated, but not really. For an organization who is supposed to be upholding the law it just blows my mind that these officers are selling their t-shirts out of their cars in the Police Dept. parking lot. In San Bernardino transient merchants are not allowed - Mr. Penman was always after the individuals selling flowers at the freeway off-ramps. Are they above the law????