What other schools do you plan to ambush?
Hey Aram FYI if you are thinking of ambushing South Hills they practice at District Field.
FYI if you are thinking of ambushing San Dimas, DON’T!! I’m sure you are more welcome at Pomona than you are at SD.
Yeah I’m sure he won’t ambush them just because you say not to.
No sound on my computer here at work. Was that the varsity team? Reminds me of the ’08 team that got hammered by DR in the semi’s. They look small compared to Covina.
Well it looks like west co won’t be repeating….They look like small…Covina is way bigger up front!
WesCo is NOT small! Everyone seems to forget that Coach Maggiore is like 7’2″…..
In all seriousness see them in person. They are not small.
Size may have dropped a little but did you hear that intensity?
Dan is the scrimmage next Friday at WCHS?
When and where,
It was moved to Claremont, Friday Aug. 26, the lower levels will start ealier, my best guess would be:
Freshmen at 5, JV at 6 and Varsity at 7.
I am calling it now, Covina will beat West Covina again this year. Last years game was far from a fluke.They came up with a big special teams play. If you remember, they forced johnson to throw a pick(passing is the last option for Wesco).Heck Bonita would be champs if they make the play Covina Made. Then they went 5 wides and attack Wesco Secondary( which is another weak spot). Covina’s passing game this year is just as good as bonita’s was last year. I think Coach Thomas is watching that game and Last years CIF finals game, and working a plan to recreate, those situations again. I am sure he plans to get his big rb involved. The question is what has West co done to improve in those areas? I don’t feel they have the same team they had last year. I think the line is not as good, and the Qb’s are not either. Covina’s Dline looks to be bigger and better than last year. If they can stack the box, and keep West Co in 3rd and passing situation, they could win by 2 tds. They will give their offense more touches to score. If they get ahead, the can pound the ball with Ainsworth. West Covina has no answer for Covina’s Spread offense. They don’t have the depth at DB. Watch out for Solomon, but they still have problems covering the spread . Covina 27 West Covina 21
Some good points and some crazy ones too. WestCo has excellent athletes in the secondary. More than just Solomon. And that’s why I think you’re right about Ainsworth being the key. Meaders and Hornsby are going to put big pressure on Livingston. As good as Venegas and De La Cruz are, I don’t see how they get separation on guys like Barnett and Henderson. That means if Ainsworth can get tough yards and maybe break some plays up the middle, then Covina should have a shot. This is going to be a fantastic game. Having seen the two teams now in pads, I can assure it’s going to be a very good game. And very low scoring.
Time Warner cable to cover these games
Oct. 28–Loyola at Bishop Amat
Nov. 11–Charter Oak at Chino Hills
Upset city my A–,
if you forgot! Wc was ahead 21 to ZERO at the half and we scored in our 1st possesion in 4 plays. Maggiore and the team let up because it was too EASY. They didn’t make that mistake the rest of the year and WC now has a ring. What did Covina do in the small mid valley division.
NOTHING! I promise you that WC will not let up this year, even if we can’t pass we are going to pound the ball all night until sorry a– c-town gives up. The two safetys that finished the game last year never played another defensive down the rest of the year. Thats how far WC went into the depth chart for that game. but its OK Covina keep living that moment up cuz that was your whole season last year. While we were talking about winning a cif championship game , all you could talk about was we beat wc in our 1st game. Keep living it up!
And just how bad does it suck to have Covina beat a CIF Champion?
Down by 21 and come back to win 27-21. Now THAT’S a Champion!
“even if we can’t pass we are going to pound the ball all night until sorry a– c-town gives up.”
Gives up? You mean like last year?
Looks like you don’t know a damn thing about Covina giving up. LOL!
Yup, looks like you are the onlt sorry a–
Here, relive the moment!
Yup, looks like you are the only sorry a–
Hey Aram why haven’t you posted CO’s practice ambush ?!
like I said. Keep living it up. All you can talk about is that game for the whole year. Week 1 was your whole season. Our season ended in mid December. Yours ended in September.
“if you forgot! Wc was ahead 21 to ZERO at the half…”
If who forgot?
It was 14 – 0 at the half.
Yup, our season ended in September alright….we just dressed up after THANKSGIVING because we were bored.
“Week 1 was your whole season”….No it was not but it sure put an ear to ear grin on us going into week 1!
Your UNDEFEATED season sure ended in September. LOL! And WC was ONE DROPPED pick away from runner up. If you think Covinas win was a fluke then you have to know that your win in the final was too. Can’t have it both ways!
Stare into those rings knowing that a D-11 team beat you guys. And will again two weeks from now.
Sure a ring would be nice but as a parting gift beating WC is pretty nice too.
You won your division. You tied Baldwin Park for second in the Valley Vista League.
But you did dress up for thanksgiving because you were bored. You guys got smoked that week But you would have beat them Sept 3. You guys are a great week 1 team. Thanks for beating our jv team in the second half, it only got them mad and they went 10-0 for the year. So you like sayings. Here’s one from all the players and coaches in the valley including reporters “FLUKE”.
“So you like sayings. Here’s one from all the players and coaches in the valley including reporters “FLUKE”.”
And here’s a saying from the scoreboard : 27-21
I wonder which saying counts?
I heard that they were renaming the Heimlich Maneuver the West Covina Maneuver. It’s easier to remember when it comes to choking.
Riddle me this,
And here’s a saying from the record books: “West Covina 2004 & 2010 CIF champs!”
If beating us last year was us choking, what do you call your playoff exit from last year? Surely beating the mighty Bulldogs proves you are a team well capable of atleast reaching the finals of the midvalley!
I’m not calling your season opening win against us a fluke. Covina has the weapons to be dangerous no doubt, but the victory was indeed what they call an “upset”. You caught us being over-confident and looking ahead. We took our foot off the pedal and started making mistakes in wich you guys capitalized on. Good teams make opponents pay when they make mistakes, and you guys did just that. Don’t expect us to make the same mistake this year, we learned from that loss quickly and rattled off 13 straight wins on our way to a thrilling cif championship game victory. The gas pedal will be fully floored until the final whistle this year. And there will be no letting off as a sign of respect, keeping the pedal floored this year will be the true sign of respect.
See you Sept. 3rd!
Riddle me this,
I thought choke was what Covina did against WCHS in CIF. You know, the games that actually matter???
Aram, if you look at the CIF Finals game against Bonita, West Co Could not stop the passing game. Bonita did mix it with the Run with Johnson, however, the Bearcats were getting passing yards and #11 Galilach and #33 Brungard, lit West co up. There is a big difference in having athletes in the Secondary, and having good covering Db’s. West Co has the athletes, but I don’t think their DB’s are that good. I don’t think Covina’s DB’s are that good either. Now If West Covina with their Athletes, can pass it will be a blow out. Since WC is having QB issues, I don’t think they will be able to pass effectively in Week 1. Covina also has a chance to run this year. I know Meaders, and Hornsby(Replacing Deion Steepe) are going to tough on the outside, who is going to be tough in the inside? Dupleasis was a beast, and the heart and soul of that run stopping Defense. Maybe Salgado steps it up. However, Covina is stronger this year, and West Covina is not a strong as last year. All of this leads up to a possible upset, and I like covina’s chances. Now for those who keep ragging on The Midvalley, when the top teams played…the Midvalley is 2-3 vs the top Southeast teams….So at the top of these two Division They are equal.
Covina 27 West Covina 21
Monrovia 34 Arcadia 7
Bonita 41 San Dimas 20(But Bonita has loss to SD 2 out of the last 3 years!
This game is going to be a good one. I don’t think Covina is a choking program. They just got up for the West Covina game. Whittier Christian was a good team. They had several players who went to college on Scholarship. I think Covina was that good, but the West Co game had them thinking they were better than they were…I spoke to some Covina fans, and they were kind of big headed last year. This year they will have a better focus. They will beat West Covina, and win the Valley Vista, then they will be CIF Runners up Losing to Monrovia.
Did you forget that Walnut (Southeast) beat Covina (Mid-Valley) last year? That’s another for the Southeast.
Listen, the teams at the top of both divisions are one thing. But the rest of the division is not even close, the Southeast is much, much better.
But I’m one of those people who think that the top teams in almost every division can compete with the top teams in any other division. Yes, even the Pac-5. I said compete, not win (in most cases).
Aram I did not forget about that game, but we can look at some other games too… The top 3 Mid valley Schools Monrovia, Covina, and San Dimas have beaten the top Southeast schools in West Covina, Bonita, and Arcadia. Now you have just said that the mid Valley is weaker, but even at the bottom of both divisions, the Midvalley has beaten southeast teams. Being that the Southeast is four Divisions up…their is no way this should be happening. From the Data I have compiled, I don’t see where the Dominance is or where people can just flat out say that the Southeast is that much stronger, When the games played don’t say that. Here is a look at all games where midvalley teams played Southeast teams. Look at the numbers…Now I may have missed a game, if so please say so, but overall you get my point. Even in the losses you saw some competitive games. Yes there were a few blowouts, but there should have been way more. Now granted, La Serna, La Marida, and Sante Fe did not play any Midvalley teams, I can’t say much, but either way if they played any of the top for Midvalley teams, they could lose, and I don’t think any of the southeast teams outside of West Covina, and Bonita could have beat Monrovia last year. Hey we can argue this all day, but there is some data to support that the midvalley can play with southeast teams.
Midvalley Wins vs Southeast
Monrovia 34 Arcadia 7*****(Mid Valley Champ Destroyed a solid southeast team)*****
Covina 27 West Covina21*****( the southeast champs were beat)*****
Sierra Vista 35 Hoover 27(Its time for the Pacific to drop these guys)
South Pasadena 31 Hoover 25*****(looks like the bottom of the Rio Hondo is better than the bottom of the Pacific)******
Gabrielino 49 Cerritos 20*****(Gabrielino is horrible, Cerritos is terrible)******
Schurr 28 California 23( Shouldn’t this be the other way around?
Montebello 27 California 24( Wow!!)
Wilson 33 Los Altos 10*****(The Valley Vista League beat the top and bottom of Hacienda)*****
Bell Gardens 30 El Rancho 20
La Canada 40 Glendale 17(wow!!)
South Pasadena 28 Glendale 21( It’s time for the Pacific to drop these guys)
Mid Valley Losses vs Southeast
Walnut 49 Covina 42****(just a game where there was no defense)
Burbank 44 San Gabriel 36****(Is this domination)
Muir 46 San Gabriel 12
Arcadia 42 Temple city 14
Rowland 35 Baldwin Park 29
Rowland 48 Rosemead 14
El Rancho 29 Montebello 9
Bellflower 19 Montebello 14
Diamond bar 38 Nogales 21( ????)
Mayfair 18 Valley Christian 7***** (This was a Southeast Semifinalist team. In aa close game with Midvalley mid grade team) *****
The Mid Valley is 11-10 vs Southeast.
You left off a few Southeast wins. Bonita has 2. DR has another and there are more but I am too damn lazy to write them all down. They hold the upper hand over the mids but like you said for being 4 divisions above the mids are holding their own.
Diamond Bar also beat Wilson… sounds like Southeast won more
Your right, we can argue this all day. How is the top of the Mid Valley 2 for 3 against the top of the Southeast? Arcadia was’t even close to being in the top of the Southeast. Covina had a nice upset over WC, but do you really think they were better than WC after that week 1 meltdown? The big separation of the divisions occurs in the middle of the division, there are to many middle of the division teams in the Southeast that could have reached the semi’s or finals of the Mid Valley division if they were placed in the Mid Valley. The Santa Fe’s, the La Mirada’s,the Norwalks, the Muirs,the Burbank schools, ect. ect. you can’t say that about the Mid Valley middle teams. Also hate to burst your Mid Valley bubbles, but I don’t see how the top of both divisions are equal. I don’t think any Mid valley team with the exception of Monrovia could have made it through the Southeast semi finals last year, and ther is a very good chance even Monrovia would not have gotten through the semis.
With all that I said in my post below, I would expect to see a very tight game in week 0 at district field, Covina is bigger, stronger and better than last season and could very well be the cream of the Mid valley this coming year. West Co on the other hand has some question marks that need to be answered once the games begin. One thing for sure, I like what I saw on defense this Saturday at the WC team scrimmage.
Dan, I don’t believe in Flukes. As a “purist”, I respect all wins. Covina executed and beat West Co. It was the first Week for Covina just as it was for West Co. The purpose of my post was to show that the bottom Midvalley teams, did have success against the Bottom teams in the southeast. The argument, the midvalley is extremely weak. I was just wanted to look at the bottom. If the Division champ lost to a Midvalley team that did not get to the Semis in that division, and the Midvalley champs Destroyed a Southeast playoff team, and a bottom team Like Gabrielino put up 49 on Cerritos….means the Midvalley has beaten a southeast team on every level(top to bottom). If you take the “Emotions” out of this you would have to say the Midvalley and South East are Comparable. In my opinion the Cif is broken down into 3-4 levels of competition. Division 1-4 are Comparable 4-8 and 8-12. For example, if Mission Viejo played Gardena Serra, it would be a close game, Serra could win. There are 3 Div separating them. But Really that’s just 1 level lower. West Covina blasted Glendora, there are 5 Div Separating those schools, but really it’s just one level of competition in my eyes. Hey Monrovia beat South hills, there is 9 Division Separating them, but Really its just 2 levels separating them in my theory. So In my eyes, West Covina and Covina are separated by just 1 level of Competition. Now Granted a team like Servite would blow teams in the Southeast or Midvalley out, but teams in that division are blowing teams out by 50 and 60 pts as well. I just want the bloggers to know just because teams are in really high Divisions, its really a illusion, and the competition is not as far apart as perceived or perpetuated. I still have not heard any real evidence that clearly shows a great separation. Even if I miss a few games, its still close to a .500 record for the Southeast vs Midvalley in games played. It is what it is. The data speaks for itself… Anything else is just feelings and emotions. Bottom line, if the southeast was that much stronger then the Midvalley, you would see total domination from top to the bottom. From the Wesco vs Covina to the Gabrielino vs Cerritos. Look in Week 4, Valley Christian was losing to Mayfair 6-0 at half time. 12-7 in the 3rd qtr, and loss 18-7. That is not domination, that’s competitive play. Lets rethink this!!! Like I Said, If Covina beats West Covina, and Monrovia Beats Arcadia, and San Dimas Beats Bonita, and there is another .500 showing in Games played between Divisions…Well what will you be able to say??? Everyone is estimating that Arcadia, is going to do well in the Southeast…ooooh if Monrovia beats them and they go on to the Semis in southeast ouch! if West Co goes to the Dance again with a loss from a Midvalley team, and Pac 5 team…not so good. If Bonita losses and goes to the playoffs…welll that’s going to prove my argument. We will see…just a few more days….
Covina ended up better on that night with the help of 6 WC turnovers, but over the course of the season I think you would have to agree that WC proved to be the better team, they won a ring in a tougher division. I think anybody familiar with SGV football would be able to find at least 8 schools in the Southeast that would have had a legitamate shot at taking the Mid valley division last year. If you turn that around you would only have Monrovia with a shot to take the Southeast, and I don’t think it would have been a good shot. I would also argue that this would be pretty consistant
for most years.
For the most part I’m on the same page with you with your views. Not on this one.
I don’t think the southeast is a tougher division. It’s a different division. The record shows that the mid-valley has held its own against them. And if WesCo was the better team why didn’t they beat the Colts?
WesCo had a better result in their division than Covina had in theirs. Different teams played against so you can’t compare apples to oranges. When 2 teams play the same common opponents you can say who’s a better team but until then it’s pure speculation.
WesCo earned their championship and I take NOTHING away from them. If you recall I was one of the first on these blogs congratulating them and being truly happy for them.
I just think it’s total nonsense to try and compare a team in one division to any other team in another division. Any conversations on such are nothing more than ones biases and total speculation. The same thing happens when one tries to use comparative scoring.
I would like to see the first 2 preseason games go back to the old days. They don’t count. They are for ironing out the kinks and trying different schemes. Id like them to be glorified scrimmages and nothing more. I know that it will never happen but like some famous guy said ” I have a dream “..
Do you know if WesCo and Covina are going to renew the contract for another two? I have had no luck in trying to find the answer to that. Maybe Aram can ask that question on the show?
Agree with you on the Bulldog ( still have a tendency to type Spartan and go back and correct ) defense looking good. Drove over and watched them for about an hour. We may be in for a long night.
Looking forward to Saturday night with no injuries on both sides.
Dan, How can you outright say the southeast is a tougher division. Where is your data? Let me retort. I took the time to clearly map out all of the Southeast vs Midvalley games played, give or take a few that i might have missed. However, the southeast is Roughly .500-.600 against the Midvalley. You can not discredit the Covina win, Even though West Covina won a title. You can not Downplay The Quality of Monrovia as the Midvalley champ. As Long as they sit on the Throne, The Midvalley is a formidable Division to play in. Outside of Bishop Amat, and Maybe Chino Hills, no SGV team is a lock to beat Monrovia. Outside of West Covina in the southeast, no other team in that Division could beat the cats in my opinion. Like I said the First Three weeks will tell the Tale in regards to this Argument. Watch the games Covina Vs West Co, Monrovia vs Arcadia, and San Dimas vs Bonita. I expect these Six schools to be in the Semis in their Respective Divisions. If the midvalley gets a clean sweep or goes 2-3, and the rest of division can repeat a .500 record, you may be able to say the Mid valley is tougher? Lol….chew on that haha..
Appreciate the respect you have towards the Bulldogs,
as you said, you have given them the respect all season. LOL, with that said, I see I’m not going to get too far in convincing neither you nor Upset City that the WC loss with all it’s turnovers, was not your normal game, and the odds of that many turnovers in a game happening again would be pretty small, guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. I also disagree on the divisions argument. With the exception of Monrovia’s win over Arcadia, and Covina’s upset over WC, most of the games the Mid Valley won were against the weaker teams of the Southeast, ie: Hoover, Glendale, Los Altos all were 1 & 9, Cal Hi was 3 and 8, Cerritos was 3 and 7, that accounts for 8 of the games you listed, the other being El Rancho who lost to Bell Gardens who is one of the better teams in your division. When you look at the games the Southeast won over the Mid Valley, there
where a lot more of our middle/upper tier beating your middle/upper tier, thats where I get the statistics upset city. By the way you had all of your Mid Valley wins listed but you missed about 7 Southeast wins over the Mid Valley, so in the end it was 17 to 11 Southeast over Mid Valley. The Southeast is definately the stronger of the two.
I know this is pure speculation, but lets look at it this way, In Vegas, I’m positive West Covina, & Bonita would have been favored to win your division, La Serna, La Mirada, Mayfair and Muir would all have been pretty close to even or slightly under even bets to win the title against Monrovia. Burroughs, Norwalk, and Arcadia, would have been solid bets to at least make the finals, Thats 9 SE teams that would have a legit shot to make the finals in your division, can you find me 4 in the Mid Valley that would have the same odds at getting to the SE finals?
The Vegas hypothesis sounds strong. Right up to the point where WesCo was the heavily favored, hands down, sure bet, to beat the Colts last year. Ask Fred. So all odds, guesses, hunches, and such, STILL fall back to pure speculation and conjecture until the games are actually played.
If I said that since WesCo won the Southeast CIF Championship, and Covina beat WestCo, Then Covina could have won the Southeast CIF Championship how would that sound?
Until teams line up and play guessing who would beat who is nothing more than the sports version of who would win in a fight: The Green Lantern or Captain America.
“The Vegas hypothesis sounds strong. Right up to the point where WesCo was the heavily favored, hands down, sure bet, to beat the Colts last year.”
Thats a good one, and funny too, and your right! good luck to Covina this year
You too Dan and WesCo. If anyone thinks that the Bulldogs are less loaded than last year they are in for a rude awakening….real quick. I actually think the defense looks BETTER. Scary.
Dan please list the 7 games i missed. I would like to know which games those were. As for the the southeast losses, being teams that were not good and not in the playoffs, well the midvalley teams were not playoffs teams either. When a good midvalley team played a good southeast team, the midvalley held its on. Saying that 9 teams would be favorites to win the mid valley is speculation. Name 9 teams that would be a for sure bet, beat Covina, San Dimas or Monrovia in a semifinal game. Maybe four at most. Like I said, this season, West Covina, Arcadia, Bonita, La Serna, are the teams to beat. As for the covina game being a game of turnovers, Covina had turnovers in that game as well and turnovers are apart of the game. If covina played West Co in Week 10, they still could have a game where they turn the ball over and lose. You are not hearing me. If the Midvalley sweeps and beats Westco, Bonita, and Arcadia….your claim is not valid
Bonita 41 San Dimas 20
Bonita 29 Baldwin Park 0
Diamond Bar 48 Wilson 27
El Rancho 13 Northview 10
Walnut 35 Northview 0
Cresenta Valley 38 La Canada 34,
There were 6 that you missed not 7, I mistakenly had the E.R. vs Montebllo as one that you missed. Southeast beat 7 Mid Valley playoff teams, Mid Valley
beat 3 Southeast playoff teams.
Actually in talking about last season, I did not say that 9 teams would have been favorites to win the Mid Valley, I said that 8 teams would have had a shot to win it, in a later post I also said that 9 teams would have had a legit shot to make the finals. Basically what I said was, West Co and Bonita would have been favorites to win it, La Serna, Mayfair, Muir, La Mirada, would have been close to even bets or just under even bets to win it, Burroughs, Norwalk,& Arcadia would have a legit shot to make the finals. Nowhere did I say that 9 teams would have been favored.
I also said it was pure speculation.
Since you brought it up again, Your right, turnovers are a part of the game, 6 turnovers usually are not, odds are very small that WC would have had 6 turnovers if they played again, rarely do you get 430 yards of offense and lose a game, especially if most of it is rushing yards,because that means your also controlling the clock, that is unless you have 6 turnovers.