Santiago vs. Rivera: The difficult question I’m being asked these days and the difficult answer …


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The question I keep being asked these days is Rivera vs. Santiago, who’s better? My answer is quite simply this:

RIVERA IS TO THE MID-VALLEY DIVISION WHAT SANTIAGO IS TO THE INLAND DIVISION. AND, ARROYO IS TO THE MID-VALLEY DIVISION WHAT CHARTER OAK IS TO THE INLAND DIVISION.

If you’re going to tell me for one second that Santiago would be putting up better numbers than Rivera if he were playing at Arroyo and surrounded by Arroyo’s skill talent and line, then you’re just lost. And if you’re going to tell me that Rivera is not capable of putting up Santiago-like numbers were he to be playing at CO and surrounded by CO’s skill guys, then you’re lost.

Bottom line: These are the best two QBs in the area. And their teams are going to need help draw-wise to last a round or two in their respective playoff divisions.

  • CoFootball12

    No Fred you are lost, Santiago would have 200 hundred rushing yards and 400 hundred passing yards a game if Santiago played at Arroyo. Steven can not run and gun like Santiago can.It’s as simple as that. I seen both of them play each other in passing league at the Bonita tournament and Santiago ran Rivera off the field.

  • CoFootball12

    I mean Aram.

  • CoFootball12

    and may we not forget who has a championship ring. That is a silly question “Is Rivera better then Santiago”? lol that made my day.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Rush yards

    Santiago 425
    Rivera 271

    Pass yards

    Santiago 1558 11 TDs
    Rivera 2150 23 TDs

    You’re missing the point, CO Football 12. If you put Santiago at Arroyo, his numbers would not differ from Rivera’s. And if you put Rivera at CO, his numbers would not differ from Travis’.

  • SGV FAN

    Interesting to hear the “he would have x amount of yard IF he played in “That” division arguement”. But since they don’t…you have to go by the numbers, sooooo Rivera wins it at this point in time. BUT Santiago has got similar numbers and he does play against “tougher” competition? However, in this hypothetical situation you have to use concreate evidence and the numbers THUS far say Rivera.

  • CoFootball12

    Let me just ask you this question. If Santiago and Rivera were at either Charter Oak or Arroyo battling for the starting quarterback job who do you think wins out? Do you honestly think Rivera would start over Santiago? Do you think Rivera could win a cif championship his sophmore year like Santiago did even if he was surrounded like skill players like Santiago is I don’t think so.

  • Bigdog54

    This Santiago kid must be really good because Rivera sure is.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    CO Football 12,

    How many times have you seen Rivera play in an actual game? Like with pads on … how many times have you watched him and seen his line and skill players?

  • Jefe

    If I’m building a team from scratch and I have to pick between the two…I’m going with Santiago.

    He just has that something extra. I can’t even explain it, really.

  • SGV FOOTBALL

    Aram,

    This is my honest opinion no bias here…

    I took your advice and went to the Arroyo game just with the purpose of checking out Rivera. Here is a couple of things that I noticed right off the bat.

    The size difference between the the two divisions is amazing!!! Again I am not putting anyone down. I could not remember the last time I saw teams that small and I do not mean roster size. Honestly the CO JV teams has bigger kids than South and Arroyo combined.

    The next thing that took me by surprise is the game speed. Rivera has all day to throw because the D-lines are comming off the ball so slow. Any hits that Rivera took last night were pretty soft, nothing that would really make a QB think about his blind side.

    The only negative that I see from Rivera is his deep ball, I think he threw at least two picks and they were all deep balls. He sort of just lobbed it out there and they were picked because they were under thrown. So that makes me second guess his arm strength.

    Overall Rivera is an excellent leader on his team! My only gripe is that being behind the center for 4 years his coaching staff has not been able to build a solid team around him. So I went on maxpreps to see who they played in the past and they played Santa Ana, La Serna and South Hills twice in the Playoffs. Going from that kind of playoff schedule to how the Midvalley division is now, there is no reason why they should have been to the CIF Finals at least once. Rosemead was able to do it, why can’t they!

    I will have to agree with CO Football 12 that if Santiago and Rivera were at CO battling for a spot as QB I would take Santiago hands down. Santiago can change the game with his feet from what I saw last night Rivera will not be outrunning to many defenders in the inland.

    Rivera is the real deal, no doubt about it but Travis is leading the pack but not by much!

    Ceee-Ohhh

  • What Div. 1 offers do either of them have???

    I love this argument…lol. They both might be great kids and have tons of yardage against poor competition. The question is, how many scholarship offers do either of them have? If they had these kinds of numbers playing against GOOD competition, they would get noticed. They play against weak SGV teams and therefore don’t get any love from colleges. In my opinion, Santiago is a good high school QB against inferior opponents. When he plays in tough games, he is just average. Case in point..Against Rancho this year… 0 Td’s 2 Int’s,…. Last year against Chino Hills…0 TD’s 1 Int… Playoffs against Vista murrieta … 0 TD’s 2 Int. So against quality opponents, he lays an egg.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    College recruiters want prototypes for their QB recruits. Unfortunately, Steven and Travis don’t have the size to get the looks that they should. They’re not the first and won’t be the last in this Valley to have that same issue.

    I will say this though, they are two of the better QBs I’ve ever covered and I think they’re both the best QBs at their respective schools that I’ve covered. I won’t say of all time because I haven’t seen all the others.

    And what’s more, they’re both unbelievable leaders.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    SGV Football,

    First off, thank you for attending the game and thank you for your solid takes.

    Did you see the receivers that Rivera has to throw to? No offense to them because they do well with what they’ve got, but none of them are above 5-foot-8 and none of them have the athleticism of an Aaren Vaughns.

    I truly believe the similarities between the two QBs and the two teams are closer than anybody but me cares to admit. Look at them in their corner of the world.

    What does the rest of the Inland Division think of the Sierra League? Where would you rank the Sierra League in the Inland Division? Take those answers and ask yourself where the Mission Valley ranks in the Mid-Valley Division and where would the rest of the Mid-Valley rank the Mission Valley in the Mid-Valley. They’re both in just about the same spot.

    Is CO good enough to hang with the Inland elite at the line of scrimmage? Is Arroyo good enough to hang with the Mid-Valley elite at the line of scrimmage? No and No. They’re both very well coached teams and they can somewhat make up for any size differentials, but in the end, this is football.

    In the Inland Div., EVERYONE has skill guys. In the Mid-Valley, EVERYONE has a few skill guys.

    It’s a great debate and they’re both two fantastic QBs making the best of what they’ve got and where they play.

  • sawthemboth

    I’ve seen both of these QB’s. Are you serious? How about asking a real poll question. The only one lost here is YOU. Santiago by a landslide!

  • CoFootball12

    sawthemboth: THANK YOU!
    Like really is this even a question? He’s good don’t get me wrong but he’s good at his own school. He doesn’t even come close to Santiago. Let me ask you this question Do you think Rivera would have as much rushing yards in the Inland Divsion as Santiago? Do you think Santiago would have more rushing yards then Rivera in the Mid Valley?

  • Coach in the area

    First of all both of these guys are the REAL DEAL! They also both have the intangibles that any coach would love. I think its pretty dead even as Aram has indicated. The difference is on defense, where Rivera might just be the best around and should get a D-1 look ( but recruiters don’t go by Arroyo, no offense it’s just the truth).

  • http://www.twitter.com/SGVtylerd tDro

    Is Steven Rivera still playing on defense as well? That is a huge thing to consider….

    I’ve seen both of these kids play and both are GAMERS.
    Both guys possess the type of leadership qualities and will to win that you just love to see at this level. I agree in that not a lot separates these two guys. If Rivera were at CO, he would be putting up similar numbers and win totals. Santiago would also do as well as Rivera has done at Arroyo.

    What is important here is to not diminish either one. Both of those guys are talented quarterbacks who do a lot for their teams. Rivera is counted on a lot more at Arroyo than Santiago is at CO. Santiago probably has a little bit stronger of an arm. I think they are asked to do different things for their teams and I think they each do that as well as they can. Honestly, I’d have a hard time saying one is better than the other…

  • quality counts

    stop please: Stop saying Santiago hasn’t played but 1 inland team yet and he lost. Other then that what good team has he played?

  • inland bone crusher

    bring it on: Can’t wait to introduce him to the real inland, guaranteed we will keep him in the pocket after the first big hit. He hasn’t yet played against speed and aggression! We hungry time to eat!!

  • Just saying

    And if Livingston threw the ball as much as either of these guys he would be leading SO CAL! they are the best all around Qbs but Livingston is the best pure passer

  • “What’s my name, biaaatchhh?”

    Santiago = Brady!

    Did you see the boy play last night? Quality counts and Santiago has a lot of it. Not only quality but he also has the quantity.

    I don’t see Ruiz or Rivera doing what Santiago does. They just can’t! Hate to critic the other boys, but they are in a much lower QB league than Santiago!

  • Inland Hater

    I hate the Inland Empire and everything it represents.

    Lots of worthless land, its hot, its a desert, low level education, high unemployment, high crime rate, high bankruptcy rate, high housing loan default rate, unpaid rent all over the place, you have the metropolis of Moreno Valley, Crackerside, and Funtucky, should I go on? This is just the opening!

    That, hags and necks, is the Inland Empire!

  • Santiago = Brady!

    Santiago’s big night lifts Charter Oak over Ayala
    By Ismael Reynoso, Correspondent
    Posted: 10/22/2011 12:10:44 AM PDT

    COVINA – Travis Santiago passed for three touchdowns, ran for another and had more than 300 yards of total offense to lead Charter Oak to a 62-34 thrashing of Ayala on Friday night.

    The Chargers improved to 6-1 overall and 2-0 in the Sierra League. Charter Oak scored on its first five possessions to take control of the game 38-13 at the half.

    Santiago completed 17 of 23 passes for 291 yards and ran for 52 yards on four carries. His 17-yard touchdown run early in the second half for a 45-13 lead was his last play in the game. Teammate Kurt Scoby added another 163 rushing yards on 20 carries as Charter Oak racked-up 659 yards of total offense.

    “I liked the way Travis competed tonight,” Charter Oak coach Lou Farrar said. “He did some things I wish I could say, `I had something to with this.’ He is amazing to watch from the sideline.”

    Santiago received excellent protection from his linemen Brandon Larry, Alex Haston, Dominick Marchese, Roman Vargas, and Luis Oliva.

    The senior connected with Aaren Vaughn early in the second quarter for a 70-yard touchdown pass for a 24-7 lead. He also found Bryce Bobo for 10-yard touchdown strike later in the second quarter for a 31-7 lead. His last touchdown pass went to Vaughn for 33 yards and a 38-13 lead going into intermission.

  • Bonita fan

    If you asked Who is the best Football I would give it to Rivera. I believe he is a better defensive player than QB but he not bad.
    Just that Santiago plays in a better league you have to give it to him.

  • Santiago = Brady

    Rivera is a better Football? What the hell are you talking about?

    BTW, the official Poll Question on this blog is “Who is the better QB”. Dumba$$!

    Santiago is hands down the best QB! Not Rivera, not the South Hills kid and not the Bishop kid. End of story!

  • Bonita fan

    Wow Santiago fan = Brady? Don’t get your shorts in a bunch buddy. Rivera is the better athlete. Not only is he a damn good QB he is even better at Safety. He is in a weaker league but put him at CO or Bishop Amat and he would out shine Santiago. But in my opinion Covina’s Livingston is the best QB in the Valley hands down but they didn’t give me that option. Livingston has the best arm and throws the deep ball better than both those kids and I’ve seen them all.

  • Agree!

    I believe livingston is the best QB in the valley! maybe not the best athlete but he does what he needs to do he has missed two games and has still thrown 18 TDs now common and he has half the attempts that santiago and rivera have…

    Livingston – Best Pure Passer
    Rivera – Best Athlete
    Santiago – Good mix of both but not a better Passer then Livingston and not a better All around Athlete then Rivera… But a Great gamer who plays for his love of the game!

  • CIF Champion

    How many CIF Championships did Livingston and Rivera have after their Sophomore season?

    What? What?

    C’mon Mr. Livingston! Its not even close!

  • Hmm..

    common Santiago did what for that? how many D1 Players did Santiago have carrying him to that championship!

    Surround Livingston or Rivera with a Runningback like Muema and a couple 6’3 revcievers and a awesome Defense then im pretty sure they would win a championship too! now what they move up and those boys graduate and he has won what?

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