Final All-Encompassing SGV(N) Top 25 …

1. West Covina (13-1) — Most dominant postseason run we might ever see.
2. Charter Oak (10-2) — Being a top-8 team in this year’s Inland Div. is saying something.
3. Monrovia (11-3) — One of the top programs in SoCal after back-to-back titles.
4. La Habra (9-4) — CIF title run was ended, but losses came to some pretty nice names.
5. Bishop Amat (6-5) — Was right there in second half with PAC-5 champs.
6. Chino Hills (6-5) — A point away from being in Inland semis in a rebuilding year.
7. St. Francis (9-3) — Can say they were ousted in second round by solid Arroyo Grande.
8. Damien (7-4) — Sparty made big strides and may be even better next season.
9. St. Paul (7-3) — Hard to see this team miss the playoffs, but that’s life in the Mission.
10. Covina (11-2) — Gave M-Town an OK test, but still came up short of the finals.
11. San Gabriel (9-5) — Mats exceeded expectations with epic playoff run.
12. La Mirada (8-5) — Certainly had some impressive moments this season.
13. Arcadia (9-3) — Coming up short of the semis was a major buzzkill.
14. La Serna (10-4) — Finals disaster aside, pretty impressive for a rebuilding year.
15. San Dimas (10-3) — Saints gambled and lost, but at least they were at the table.
16. Arroyo (10-2) — Final-minute loss to SG really stings after Mats reach finals.
17. Muir (8-5) — ‘Stangs got hot late, but putting up only 3 on La Serna proves my point.
18. Los Altos (8-4) — Amazing turnaround, but now the expectations are back, right?
19. Whittier Christian (7-5) — Strong season considering what was lost from ’10.
20. Cantwell (8-4) — Showed some fight at times.
21. Azusa (8-4) — Montview dominance in tact and playoff showing was solid.
22. Alhambra (9-3) — Moors probably thinking they’ll be next year’s San Gabriel.
23. Santa Fe (6-5) — Still perplexed by what happened against Muir.
24. Pasadena (6-6) — With Brandon Cox back, are ‘Dogs early Pacific favorites?
25. Maranatha (8-3) — You win 8 games and everybody is disappointed.

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  • Lancelot

    Ha, Ha, Ha, AHaaa, AHaaa, HAAAAA, HAAAAA!!!!!
    Ok…..Way to go SGV!!!!

  • Kennedy Bryant

    Hmmm… Probably should switch 2 and 3, having said that I’d love to see a game this week between MHS/WCHS. And I’d even go for the game being played @ Mt Sac.

    BTW Monrovia is loaded again next year. G5, Craft, Bryant, Walsh,Heyworth and the entire O-line except Spencer. I didn’t even mention whats in storage.

  • Wow

    So Covina and SG both lose big to Monrovia and are still in front of Arcadia who BEAT Monrovia 30-22….
    Makes zero sense…

  • Jefe

    St. Paul has no business in the top 10.

  • Monrovia #3???

    Didn’t they lose to a 3-7 South Hills team that went 0-5 in league? So what you are saying is “If you win a division 9 title (or whatever they are) You are better than teams with a couple more losses in Division 2?” …..Hmmm, ok
    Do you honestly think monrovia would beat Damien, Amat, Chino Hills, La Habra, in head to head competition? What a joke….lol…. they also lost to San Dimas and Arcadia….lol. If this is the SGV’s 3rd best team then football in that area is a joke.

  • Joe Amat

    Hilarious.

    Using this criteria, I vote for Rio Hondo Prep – because they do more “in their world” than anyone else in the extended Fish Bowl.

    Go Kares!!!

  • Colt74

    Where is Rio Hondo Prep?

    LOL….Joe…saw your post jus as I was reviewing mine…..

  • LA back, right?

    way too many senior playmakers leaving, L Altos goes 5-5 maybe next year, and that’s optimistic

  • Congrats to the Mtown Nation!

    yea Monrovia is # 3…The thing is Monrovia got better, and your team did not get better. So should your team be # 3? You will probably say yes. A ton of people are going off of what they saw early in the year. If any of the SGV teams played Monrovia at this particular Moment in time, I’d Say they are number 3. If you going to play the comparative scoring game, that’s fine, but look at it this way; Covina played West Co closer than any team in the Southeast Division. Don’t tell me Arcadia is going to play West Covina close. West Covina was fortunate enough to escape with a win. Monrovia dusted off Covina, in a fashion that Wesco Couldn’t. I would say west covina was struggling at that time. But that is the difference between preseason and Playoffs. If Monrovia has the Starting QB in place in the beginning of the season, they don’t lose those games. Hey”Worth” is worth 2-3 TD’s a game and he’s been doing it all year. Monrovia is a different team with him starting. The avg of margin in mtowns losses was 9 pts. Plus Factor in that this team was majority Jrs and Sophmores. William, Ramirez, Bias, Ellis, Casas, Wingenbach and Spencer were the seniors. That’s 7 players. Teams like Covina, Arcadia and West Co had more. But it’s all history now. All rankings are subjective, and they are all in. Congrats to the Monrovia fighting Wildcats.

    -159 in the state
    -Finished 80 in southern Section
    -Finished 7th in State Bowl D3 Running
    #3 in encompassing SGV
    #1 in the Star News
    #1 Midvalley
    #1 in the RHL
    #1 to the Monrovia Fans

    It’s Time for Maddox to go deep into the dungeon, and pull out some of mtown’s Beastly players, that No one knows about. Don’t let the Names out too fast Mtown…at least wait til April-May, Spring ball time. You know people want to come play at Monrovia. If they get the transfer Love, CO has been getting over the years, it could get ugly.

  • Kennedy Bryant

    Do you realize that Monrovias returning core of Walsh, Craft, Bryant, G5 (George Frazier) Have 12 games of CIF playoff experience that experience is huge. And they are 11-1. That is an entire season of playoff experience. You can talk all you want about preseason loses and losing to South Hills and San Dimas, that means absolutely nothing.

    Im sure New England would rather be 11-5 with a Super bowl, ring then going 19-1. Preseason losses mean absolutely nothing to a champion. Rather be a champion any day than an also ran.

    Games before the championship mean nothing. South Hills, Arcadia, San Dimas and Loyola can simple say we beat a champion. But are you a champion. AH NOOOOO just got in a lucky punch on the champslol

  • FredJ

    I would love to hear Aram’s explanation why CIF champion Rio Hondo Prep isn’t in the top 25? That’s unexplainable using his criteria. He never answers that question Joe….he never does…

  • Apache88

    I think Rio Hondo Prep beats the last ten on this list most nights.

  • FredJ

    Rio Hondo Prep won the D-13 title, why are so many average D-10 teams that were eliminated first and second round of the playoffs still ahead of them? If you can rank D-10 champs ahead of D-1 teams that go out in the first round against the D-1 champion, no reason RHP shouldn’t be ranked in the “pound-for-pound” category like Monrovia, right?

  • FredJ

    Sorry, Mid-Valley is Division 11 not 10…BTW, Southeast is Division 7, Inland is 2 and Pac-5 1..

  • Mike the Clone

    Greetings…..

    @ Apache88 if you think Rio Hondo Prep belongs anywhere near this list I’d say you’ve lost your mind.So let me say it……YOU”VE LOST YOUR MIND!!!!
    Rio Hondo Prep would have to be spotted 21 points before the game even started against any of these guys. They’d get hammered!!!!

    Come from back Alice in Wonderland and live in the real world!!!!

    OUT!!!!

    Mike the Clone

  • FredJ

    Mike, how can you say that when RH Prep beat the Olympic League’s Village Christian 31-13, the same Village that beat Whittier Christian in the Olympic league finale. Whittier Christian is ranked 18th here, so explain that away…RHP was 13-1. — And they should be ranked because Aram’s rankings are pound-for-pound, certainly RHP fits in that category. They’re the Manny Pacquiao of all this…

  • Mike the Clone

    Joe, Joe, Joe Amat…..

    I’d expect Freddy to honk Rio Hondo’s horn, But JOE AMAT you of all people!!!

    Fred, Aram doesn’t answer the question because it doesn’t deserve an answer!!!.It’s just plain silly to even ask in the first place.

    (Sorry Joe had to give you and Freddy a ribbing)

    Out!

    Mike the Clone

  • FredJ

    Believe it or not Mike, the difference between D-11 and D-13 football is closer than the difference between D-11 and D-2 or D-1 football….And RH Prep COULD beat teams on the list, and already proved it with the example I just gave you…Remember, this is a pound-for-pound list, how do you leave a 13-1 team off….It’s not like they’re playing 8-man football anymore….

  • MTC

    Fred,

    I didn’t say the list was perfect just said RHP has no business being there.

    MTC

  • Bigblue

    South Hills beat Monrovia and Amat would beat SH 84-7! Aram your asleep,
    Wake up!

  • BigCat

    “Do you honestly think monrovia would beat Damien, Amat, Chino Hills, La Habra, in head to head competition? What a joke….lol…. they also lost to San Dimas and Arcadia….lol. If this is the SGV’s 3rd best team then football in that area is a joke.”

    Of course, you’re right. I mean, San Dimas beat San Gabriel like a drum. Of course the seciond meeting between the two teams was just a formality … no, wait!

  • Hoss Cartwright

    Big Mike, M town supported Pasadena and Muir All year. Now you say these things. Explain this, then after you explain this, you can continue on your banter on how Monrovia would lose to everyone. Aram is Rankings are Based upon today, not 7 weeks ago. Come on now. Just Give it up to Mtown.

    Monrovia 53 San Gabriel 14
    Muir 44 San Gabriel 20

    La Serna 28 Muir 3

    West Covina 84 La Serna 21

    West Covina 26 Covina 20

    Big Mike Hush please

  • Hoss Cartwright

    Big Mike, M town supported Pasadena and Muir All year. Now you say these things. Explain this, then after you explain this, you can continue on your banter on how Monrovia would lose to everyone. Aram is Rankings are Based upon today, not 7 weeks ago. Come on now. Just Give it up to Mtown.

    Monrovia 53 San Gabriel 14
    Muir 44 San Gabriel 20

    La Serna 28 Muir 3

    West Covina 84 La Serna 21

    West Covina 26 Covina 20
    Monrovia 41 Covina 27(forgot to add this)

    Big Mike Hush please

  • More

    Rancho Cuc 35 Muir 6
    Rancho Cuc 34 Glendora 13

    Monrovia 29 Glendora 16

    La Mirada 31 La serna 0
    La Serna 28 Muir 3

    West covina 84 La Serna 21
    West covina 63 La Mirada 34

    Bellflower 21 La Mirada 7

    you know Ellis got injured in the Arcadia game, and did not play in all of the losses in preseason Big Mike.

    Big Mike you got a lot of explaining to do.

  • WTF

    This is all great but if you look around the San Gabriel Valley produces some of the worst champions in all of southern California. Not one team in this area has been selected to play in the state championship. Everyone knows that the football in San Gabriel is bad except the football fans fools in this area. In other words Queen of the pigs

  • hahha

    Big blue, this is aram’s way of telling you, Bishop is well…well…in trouble next season. No doubt about that.

  • Check everyone

    Well at Least Monrovia and West Covina were on the top Ten list, meaning Visible for all to see, for their Respective Divisions. Ellis McCarthy and Kevon Seymour are better than any players in the Inland or Pac Five. They are on every list. There are some great players in the land of pigs. Football can’t be that bad out here.

  • WTF

    correction This is all great but if you look around the San Gabriel Valley produces some of the worst champions in all of southern California. Not one team in this area has ever!!!! been selected to play in the state championship. Everyone knows that the football in San Gabriel is bad except the football fans fools in this area. In other words Queen of the pigs

  • WTF

    Check everyone said:, Name the last team in SGV that won a state championship? Answer is Never because the teams Su?!!!. I did not say anything about the great players. I am just saying the coaching is bad.

  • ok

    Lets see how many areas have won a state title? WTF enlighten us

  • WTF

    ok said:, Lets look St. Bonaventure East Valley Area, Serra East area and St Margarets Orange County and Centinial IE. I can go on but the fact is the SGV has not placed a contender in state bowl games ever. It says a lot about how bad football is in the area. SGV settles on beating each other your just like UCLA Fans. Losing is excepted as long as the beat USC.

  • Joe Amat

    MTC and others,

    Apparently my “sarcasm font” wasn’t working on my computer. Only Freddie got my drift, probably because he reads my rants more than others.

    Aram has this interesting philosophy of ranking teams against each other based on how they rank “in their own world. stevie calls it his “pound for pound theory…as in Manny Paquiou is a better “pound for pound fighter” than Mike Tyson…even though Iron Mike would start with his ear, chew him up and spit him out – after he beat him to a pulp and knocked him out.

    However using that theory must allow for the entrance of Rio Hondo Prep nto the discussion…but apparently Aram has some sort of cut of point for the “in your own world” rankings. I agree with Fred that geir is a FAR bigger gqp between D11 and D1 than D11 and D13…and not just mathematically.

    for what it’s worth I”ll post the final “Joe Amat Fish Bowl Power Ranking”from Fred’s blog. *I’ll insert some all encompassing teams just for kicks. This is based on who would beat the teams below them, rather than some arbitrary “how they did in their world … in which case Rio Hondo Prep should be ALL of our #1′s if you’re using that measure and being consistent at all.

    1. Bishop Amat 2. West Covina
    (this could be a much better game than either of the 2 during Amat’s last sweep of the Bulldogs)
    3. Charter Oak
    *La Habra
    4. Chino Hills.
    *St Francis
    5. Damien.
    *Monrovia
    *St Paul
    6. Covina
    *La Mirada
    7. Glendora
    8. Claremont
    9. South Hills
    *Arcadiad
    10. Bonita
    11. Los altos
    12. San Dimas
    13. Ayala
    *La Serna
    *Muir
    14. Pomona
    *San Gabriel
    15. Arroyo

    Go to town!

  • big mike

    To every M-town fan:
    this little back and forth thing started when a M-town fan spoke down on Muir. M-town is the king of D11 football all credit due but comparisons of scores mean nothing Muir was up against SG 37-7 at the half M-town tied but end up blowing them out what do this mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Muir lost to Arcadia bad, M-town lost to Arcadia (according to M-town fans they only lost because Ellis got hurt what does this mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Muir over looked LS and got popped Muir however does own Arcadia in head to head match ups and Muir owns Burroughs to who own Arcadia but thats what you get when you play in a competitive league. Muir is inconsistent we know that M-town fans talk too much everyone knows that this argument is pointless thats obvious i just hope this doesnt turn into one of those CO-Amat relationships so lets just end this, M-town is good, Muir is good Muir has an all american M-town has one, Muir also have another D1 player on their team and im sure M-town does to, but i must say i kind of see what Amat fans goes through with lower division teams and the comparative junk but in all respect M-town your champs time to move up and moving up isnt easy just ask CO.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Joe Amat,

    You are twisting what I’ve said and leaving out other things, which is surprising behavior for you.

    I have always maintained that when you’re ranking teams across a vast range of divisions, IT’S AN INEXACT SCIENCE.

    You often are comparing apples and oranges. I don’t know how to say it any other way than that. Did Arroyo have a better season than Amat? Yes. Would Arroyo be within 30 of Amat at halftime? No. So you rank Amat ahead of Arroyo. But for other teams that probably would be capable of playing with and/or beating Amat, like any of the teams I have ahead of them, you rank them above Amat for having a better season than Amat.

    I understand people’s arguments for RHP deserving a spot on this list. This is just my opinion. I wouldn’t argue with anyone who said RHP should have been on there.

    But using one element of my personal formula and saying I should have RHP No. 1, well, that’s just stupidity on your end.

  • COChargerfan

    Amazing that Joe Amat lists CO as #3 in the SGV…can’t give them any credit, can you? What happened to Maxpreps Joe? In the past, you always used their rankings to support Amat superiority but now it’s irrelevant?

    The fact of the matter is that WC barely beats SH and Glendora then all the sudden gets on a roll when they start whipping their weak league opponents and the great La Serna in the finals. Doesn’t anyone remember that Santa Fe easily beat La Serna and what CO did to Santa Fe? And Loyola destroyed WCa team that was easily beaten by Upland? WC faced pretty weak competition, so of course they looked great.

    CO played poorly and lost to the then 5th ranked team in the STATE and WC beat the 192nd ranked teamthats an entirely different level, isnt it Joe Amat? This used to be Amats claim to fame (and rightfully so) so why are you now abandoning this fact?

    And WTFwhy dont you crawl back under a rock near your beloved Santiago High63-21 still hurts, doesnt it? And moron, the State Bowl series started in 2006thats only 5 years dude. If there were such a thing 30 years ago, then Amat and Los Altos would have been involved. What your little brain cant comprehend is that just because the SGV doesnt produce one of the VERY BEST teams in the State doesnt mean that they cant play…didnt CO prove that against Santiago and CH? What you also cant understand is that the SGV school structure is different from the IElots of schools in the 1600-2000 student range vs. the IE with 3000-4000 students. Big, big difference.

    The top 3 in the SGV are CO, Amat and WCthis is per Maxpreps. And no one knows who would win if they played so all we have is Maxpreps OBJECTIVE rankings and not personal biasend of story.

  • Joe Amat

    I think Aram makes an important distiction when he says,
    “Did Arroyo have a better season than Amat? Yes. Would Arroyo be within 30 of Amat at halftime”
    I agree 100%.
    Ranking the “season” a team had is different than ranking teams. I think you get in trouble when you try to do a hybrid of both, because as stated it is apples and oranges. Where do you draw the line?

    A “Power Ranking”" is based on who would beat who based on the last game they played. Dan points out West Covina’s improvement as the season went on while he, and others have pointed to injured players getting healthy. (and COChargerfan – I AM giving you credit – I didn’t put you behind semi-finalist La Habra?

    La Habra has been something like 1-9 in their “step up games”. 0-3 this year. Then a lost to El Toro who lost to Tustin in the finals. but “their losses came to some pretty good teams”….as if Amat’s didn’t?

    If we are going to explain away performances and losses by uing injuries as an excuse (close games and a Loyola blowout for West Covina, and Monrovia losing to San Dimas, Arcadia, AND South Hills…really??) I don’t see that grace given to Amat who lost games without Shay, Ruiz, and Alcantara)

    Aram is ranking “seasons…not teams. Sort of. Unless you ask Rio Hondo Prep…who had a season right up there with West Covinas at the top of the chart.

  • Kennedy Bryant

    At:
    COChargerfan, I dont know who you are but you appear to be one of the few people on this blog that knows what his is talking about. Im glad someone else gets it. Its about time, this is all nonsense. If Muir beat Joe that means Fred slapped Miggy which caused the planet Mars to play Monrovia, which then caused Covina to burn in Hell. After that Hell froze over which lead to CO getting beat by Kryptonite by 8 touchdowns. However none of the Touch downs counted because Lex Luther was double teaming and triple teaming Ellis McCarthy.

    Some of you really need to just STOP with the comparing of scores and my team beat your team therefore your team sucks aspirin. Come on now. There are some goods teams who knows who beat who on any given day. All I can say is that there are to Back2Back champs in the SGV Monrovia and West Covina. Everyone else had their chance to be champs. EVERYONE ELSE IS ALSO RANS. STATS dont tell you the whole story all of the time.

  • Joe Amat

    You’re right Kennedy. i think you highlighted everything we’ve been talking about.

    Congratulations to West Covina for their championship domination of LA SERNA and Monrovia for pulling it together in the second half in their championship game vs SAN GABRIEL. Nice try to Charter Oak for ending their season against UPLAND and Bishop Amat for bowing out against SANTA MARGARITA, the State Division 1 finalist. You guys “had your chance”

    As I said, hilarious. Which wil lead me to answer a New York question on another thread…

  • Bulldogs have bite

    COChargerfan,

    “The fact of the matter is that WC barely beats SH and Glendora then all the sudden gets on a roll when they start whipping their weak league opponents and the great La Serna in the finals.”

    Let’s not leave out all the facts. WC beat those teams with less than a healthy roster. And if you watched those games it was more of a case of WC beating themselves with uncharacteristic turnovers. How would CO do without Travis Santiago in the lineup? He makes your team go and there is no replacing him. Same with us and Solomon, and in our case Solomon is also one of our best defenders, so his absense early on really affected what our team wants to do on both offense and defense.

    If I recall, CO had a less than impressive victory against Glendora also. Monrovia beat them more impressively than both of us! So are you saying Monrovia should be ranked ahead of both of us? Or could it be just a case of CO having a bad game and nothing more? That Loyola team that whooped us when we didn’t have Solomon and Frazier went out in that game early also, put up a lot better fight against Upland than that disaster on FOX Sports TV you guys had against them. Loyola laid wood on Upland the year before too!

    So all the comparative scoring is very pointless. I think CO, Bishop Amat and West Covina are three pretty evenly matched teams now. A matchup between any of those teams would be a great game to see and could go either way!

    I think in Aram’s rankings he could of gone for either team for first between WC and CO. It was probably that close in his mind. But with WC winning a CIF title in such a dominant fashion was the tie-breaker. If you guys would of put up a better fight against Upland and still lose I think CO gets the nod for first regardless of what WC does. I admit that West Covina has outgrown it’s Division, and I’ve been saying this all year long that I think WC and CO are closer to the same level program wise these last couple of years than anybody thinks.

    Can’t wait for next year!

  • Dan

    Kennedy Bryant,
    Well said, WC, Monrovia, Amat, CO, all good SGV teams and no matter what we think, we just do not know who would win if they played each other. I let my WC homerism get the best of me sometimes but inside I know these would all be intriguing games and we truly
    don’t know the outcome on any given night.

  • Bulldogs have bite

    Kennedy Bryant and NY,

    Add in Monrovia also in the CO,BA,WC rant I just made. I remember when the SGV was just Los Altos and Bishop Amat, then everyone else. Times are changing and the power is dividing, and that’s a good thing.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Joe,

    You’re not gonna win one league game, bow out in the first round (again) and be ranked any higher than you are. Sorry, not gonna happen. You guys were 6-5.

  • Looking forward, not backwards

    I am noticing that on the SGV blog scene, everyone is focusing on What Teams have done historically. While that is a great conversation piece, an even better one would be, where are programs headed in the Future. When Cif Realigns things a few years, there are some schools that should and will, be considered for being dropped down. We will see how people react when your school gets that press. As we scope the SGV landscape, West Covina and Monrovia are the hottest teams in the Southern Section. Both of those schools are in good coaching hands. It seems like Maggiore and Maddox, have a little inside competition going on. These are the type of coaches, who are going to get better, make the programs better and it’s doesn’t look like they will digress. Nevertheless, when you combine Good coaching, and a consistent talent pool, you are going to win and win often. With those two components, both of these schools will win as they move up. It is crazy how people come on here say that SGV football is weak. From 90-2000 SGV football was the best! Bishop Was winning D1 titles 2 to be exact. Los Altos was winning, Damien, and South hills were winning, Duarte went to th finals, Monrovia went 3 times, Diamond bar was sick, Playing for muir meant you were Going D1. SGV was the heart of Southland Football. The IE had only Ike, Fontana, AB Miller, and teams from that league. It’s all just one big Cycle. SGV football is rebuilding itself from the lower levels up. Just like in the OC. Mater Dei Dominated that area for a while, then Tesoro pops up, Mission Viejo pops up. That’s whats happening Here. Bishop has Dominated for 50 years in the area, now West Covina is poping up, Monorvia, Charter Oak, Chino Hills, etc. Bishop will always be good, but as we look forward, their are some programs coming up and coming fast. The proof is in the pudding. In the past, your team may have been able to beat Lower level schools in the Area, but looking forward it may not be that easy anymore. It may not happen anymore. From Bishop Amat to Monrovia. Nothing Is clear cut anymore. If Garfield can play with the lancers, than sure as hell WC or CO, Chino Hills or Monrovia can , Especially in Week 0. We are talking about next year, not last year. People can say what they want, but on the field that’s what matters. Every year is a new year, So don’t bring up last year.

  • Looking forward, not backwards

    I am noticing that on the SGV blog scene, everyone is focusing on What Teams have done historically. While that is a great conversation piece, an even better one would be, where are programs headed in the Future. When Cif Realigns things a few years, there are some schools that should and will, be considered for being dropped down. We will see how people react when your school gets that press. As we scope the SGV landscape, West Covina and Monrovia are the hottest teams in the Southern Section. Both of those schools are in good coaching hands. It seems like Maggiore and Maddox, have a little inside competition going on. These are the type of coaches, who are going to get better, make the programs better and it’s doesn’t look like they will digress. Nevertheless, when you combine Good coaching, and a consistent talent pool, you are going to win and win often. With those two components, both of these schools will win as they move up. It is crazy how people come on here say that SGV football is weak. From 90-2000 SGV football was the best! Bishop Was winning D1 titles 2 to be exact. Los Altos was winning, Damien, and South hills were winning, Duarte went to th finals, Monrovia went 3 times, Diamond bar was sick, Playing for muir meant you were Going D1. SGV was the heart of Southland Football. The IE had only Ike, Fontana, AB Miller, and teams from that league. It’s all just one big Cycle. SGV football is rebuilding itself from the lower levels up. Just like in the OC. Mater Dei Dominated that area for a while, then Tesoro pops up, Mission Viejo pops up. That’s whats happening Here. Bishop has Dominated for 50 years in the area, now West Covina is poping up, Monorvia, Charter Oak, Chino Hills, etc. Bishop will always be good, but as we look forward, their are some programs coming up and coming fast. The proof is in the pudding. In the past, your team may have been able to beat Lower level schools in the Area, but looking forward it may not be that easy anymore. It may not happen anymore. From Bishop Amat to Monrovia. Nothing Is clear cut anymore. If Garfield can play with the lancers, than sure as hell WC or CO, Chino Hills or Monrovia can , Especially in Week 0. We are talking about next year, not last year. People can say what they want, but on the field that’s what matters. Every year is a new year, So don’t bring up last year.

  • Kennedy Bryant

    @Looking for not backward,

    How many ways can I agree lets start with

    AMEN
    UM HMMM
    RIGHT ON POINT
    DAMN HE IS SPITTING HOT FIRE
    COULDNT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER MY DAMN SELF
    SHOW NUFF
    ITS A RAPP
    DROPPING KNOWLEDGE
    PEEP GAME
    I SECOND THAT.ETC ETC ETC

  • Translation Please….

    Can someone please translate this into english for me?

    “AMEN
    UM HMMM
    RIGHT ON POINT
    DAMN HE IS SPITTING HOT FIRE
    COULDNT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER MY DAMN SELF
    SHOW NUFF
    ITS A RAPP
    DROPPING KNOWLEDGE
    PEEP GAME
    I SECOND THAT.ETC ETC ETC”

    I would appreciate it!

  • Honest

    Aram,

    Does your hatred toward one parent have to affect your opinion of the whole team, you really need to move on.

  • Joe Amat

    Looking forward,

    It’s ALWAYS next year for the teams in the valley when it comes to beating Amat. It’s always “I know we played them LAST year …but if we played them THIS year…” It has been for the last 15 years… And according to everyone our program is in decline during that time. It’s TWENTY SOMETHING wins and ONE LOSS!!! so until someone does get a win, and many have had their turn, it’s just wishful thinking.

    Perception is a funny thing. You say the SGV is winning from the lower levels up, because you now have championships to show for it. Really? Have you taken a look at who you’re beating? OTHER SGV schools! Someone from the valley now HAS to win a championship. Are you getting better….or have they just removed the OC leagues from the Southeast and the Northern and OC leagues as playoff obstacles. When SGV schools start beating schools from outside the SGV, then you can claim to be getting better. Otherwise it’s just cannibalism and you’re preying on your own to stay in the Fish Bowl and feel better.

    As divisions began to be watered down, from the time you mentioned in the very late 80s/early 90s when there were FIVE divisions to now when there are THIRTEEN, teams that “win” Division 11 championships somehow believe that could be accomplished in Division 1 or 2.

    In this age when everyone gets to feel good, everyone gets a trophy, we’ll have a whole bunch of “champions”, and you can lay claim to being “the best” at your level. If Aram wants to rank “seasons” then that is one thing. If you’re going to rank teams it’s a little different. (BTW, AT La Habra had 4 losses…is that much different than 5? I mean “in their world”. What was a bigger season ending surprise/letdown…Amat losing to the D1 State representative or La Habra losing to El Toro?)

    “Looking forward”, I’ll tell you one thing I’m pretty certain of. City Section Division 1 Garfield, since you brought them up to use as a measuring stick, would win Division 11. Unless you have seen them play, it’s tough to really comment on them. After all, schools like Orange Lutheran, Edison, St Paul, Dorsey can’t be wrong in scheduling them to prepare them for their league play. i’m not in the office, but it’s a good bet those caliber of schools aren’t calling on D 11 Monrovia. Garfield was in a 10-7 ballgame with Carson in the 4th quarter, and you have the nerve to say, “if Garfield can play with them then….” are you saying the same thing about Carson too? you could play with Carson?

    Delusional!

  • Sam

    Aram,

    Does your hatred toward one parent have to affect your opinion of the whole team, you really need to move on.

  • Dan

    Joe,
    No denying that injuries have an effect on the game {even Amats injuries, lol}, it’s obviously plausible to see a different outcome if you guy’s weren’t injured in some of your games. I get a chuckle out of the hardheads that deny the effect that injuries have on a team, especially injuries to key players, even more so at the lower levels where depth is a problem.
    To answer a critique on another thread, would Solomon and Frazier have been good enough to make up a 28 point spread vs Loyola? With a brand new line in week 2 maybe not enough of a difference to get a win but they could have kept West Covina in the game. If they only score one touchdown apiece,thats 21 points for the Bulldogs right there. Along with the possible drives that Solomon and Frazier may have kept alive, thats a few less drives for Loyola, you could be looking at a much closer game. Fast forward to the playoff time of the season, you are now looking at an offensive line that is in full mesh, add in a QB who has gained a season of experience, and learned to be more careful with his throws, along with the speed and skill of a healthy Solomon and Frazier I think this is a much different game in the late season. Without the break away threats at tailback and wingback, we were limited to Salgado running between the tackles in the first game. Well Loyola was able to tee off on that.

  • Looking Forward not backwards

    Joe Amat Garfield Finish 5-6 and ranked 307 in CA. CO, WC, Covina, Arcadia, muir, La Serna, Monrovia, San Dimas, Chino Hills, South Hills, Glendora, are all Ranked higher than Garfield. St Paul waxed Garfield 31-8. The Fact that Garfield played with Carson doesn’t surprise me. Sports is sports. Anyone can play with anyone if they have sound coaching, play hard, play together, and have some level of talent. You can drop plenty of teams in the SGv in the City section playoffs and they would do well. Monrovia could play with Carson, and here’s why…Ellis McCarthy 6’5 310 all american and Kevin Spencer 6-3 265 lbs. Carson would have problems of their own.

    Garfield’s league
    SouthGate 3-7 ranked 834
    Jordan 4-6 ranked 599
    Rosevelt(EastLA) 5-5 Ranked 633
    Huntington Park 3-7 ranked 759
    Bell 5-7 ranked 659(Monrovia Mercy ruled in passing league) ( Mtown went Neck and neck with dorsey in the same tourney, and blake did not play)

    South East 13-1 Won City Section D2 ranked 224

    As you can see the City section has great teams at the top in the Semis. But Look at who garfield played in league I would not put too much into that. There is no depth at all. Garfield’s league was actually the same or worse than, RHL, VVL, Hacienda, Olympic, you Name it. Monrovia has the size and speed to play with most schools. Now the program is developing into a program that has a championship mentality. Just like All of the other programs that are moving up. It’s only Fitting that the lower SGV teams take shots at BA. That is the measuring stick for teams in the SGV. However, 10 years ago Just to mention BA getting beat by SGV lower levels would have made people laugh, hell you wouldn’t even say it. Now it’s a argument. Now BA fans are defending their dominance. Before it was just a sigh and …Whatever. That’s why I am talking about looking forward. Do actually think BA is going to stay on top forever? Why would you not want another Pac 5 or More inland reps in your area. Do you think the South Orange county fans are mad because 10 of the surrounding schools are very good? What about Corona or Vista/Chapparal area? Everyone celebrates the progress of teams in their area. But Not Amat, they want it all to themselves. They don’t want anyone else to be good. They are fine with their #1 in SGV status. They are not interested in dominating their league or Division. Just Dominating lesser programs, then when they lose say “hey we are in Pac 5, you are in D11″. I think it is that kind of arrogance, that has Amat thinking that they are better than they are. West Co Beat La Mirada worse than you did, and stakes were higher. Charter Oak Beat Damien worse then you, when the stakes were Higher, and St Francis held Venice to 17 pts and they scored 35 on you. So who is delusional…The D11 team winning back to back, and moving up 4-5 Divisions soon, or the Pac 5 participant, who isn’t winning league, nor playoff games anymore. Here is the thing, any of the top 15 schools in the SGV can play in the pac 5 and be bottom feeders. What does that Actually say? Especially if these teams can. Being in the pac 5 doesn’t make you a better team. Winning in the pac 5 makes you good.

    Marina(Huntigton Beach) 1-8-1 ranked 533
    Long Beach Jordan Ranked 415(Roster 32 Players)
    Compton ranked 512
    LB Wilson Ranked 256
    LB Milikan ranked 712

  • The light

    Garfield ranked 307-Replace with Monrovia Week 0 so called “easy game”. They are a top 100 program next year.

    LA Mirada ranked 194 -Play West co, they are a top 50 program

    Cathedral ranked 387-CO game is going to be good next year. Top 50 program next year.

    This is the reason why Bishop is not Ready Come league time. Bishop has no business playing these teams. None what so ever. Especially when, Charter Oak, WC, Chino Hills and monrovia are 15 mins away. If you are the king of the SGV. Play them all in preseason instead of the junk. Real talk.

  • big mike

    A Aram, Miguel, Fred, and the other dude…..Read what “Looking forward, not backwards” said this should be one of your headlines and hopefully it will end all this non-sense arguing.

  • big mike

    When he said

    Looking forward, not backwards

    I am noticing that on the SGV blog scene, everyone is focusing on What Teams have done historically. While that is a great conversation piece, an even better one would be, where are programs headed in the Future. When Cif Realigns things a few years, there are some schools that should and will, be considered for being dropped down. We will see how people react when your school gets that press. As we scope the SGV landscape, West Covina and Monrovia are the hottest teams in the Southern Section. Both of those schools are in good coaching hands. It seems like Maggiore and Maddox, have a little inside competition going on. These are the type of coaches, who are going to get better, make the programs better and it’s doesn’t look like they will digress. Nevertheless, when you combine Good coaching, and a consistent talent pool, you are going to win and win often. With those two components, both of these schools will win as they move up. It is crazy how people come on here say that SGV football is weak. From 90-2000 SGV football was the best! Bishop Was winning D1 titles 2 to be exact. Los Altos was winning, Damien, and South hills were winning, Duarte went to th finals, Monrovia went 3 times, Diamond bar was sick, Playing for muir meant you were Going D1. SGV was the heart of Southland Football. The IE had only Ike, Fontana, AB Miller, and teams from that league. It’s all just one big Cycle. SGV football is rebuilding itself from the lower levels up. Just like in the OC. Mater Dei Dominated that area for a while, then Tesoro pops up, Mission Viejo pops up. That’s whats happening Here. Bishop has Dominated for 50 years in the area, now West Covina is poping up, Monorvia, Charter Oak, Chino Hills, etc. Bishop will always be good, but as we look forward, their are some programs coming up and coming fast. The proof is in the pudding. In the past, your team may have been able to beat Lower level schools in the Area, but looking forward it may not be that easy anymore. It may not happen anymore. From Bishop Amat to Monrovia. Nothing Is clear cut anymore. If Garfield can play with the lancers, than sure as hell WC or CO, Chino Hills or Monrovia can , Especially in Week 0. We are talking about next year, not last year. People can say what they want, but on the field that’s what matters. Every year is a new year, So don’t bring up last year.

  • Joe Amat

    looking forward,

    First, I’m certain you’re not dumb enough to be lumping Amat in with the bottom dwellers; second, if you’re a Monrovia fan you should NEVER talk about anyone elses league (because this year the Rio Hondo was the ONE-THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED AND FIRST best league IN THE NATION)and finally, your math is not so good.

    You say Amat didn”t “defend themselves” in the eralier part of the decade. Well, this blog didn’t exist and there weren’t knuckleheads like you making the comparisons. And if they did iot happened in a bar and you ended up losing a beer. Do you know why there weren’t challenges then? Because you were getting your asses kicked by the Lompocs, Nordhoffs, Morro Bays, Paracletes, Oranges, La Salles, Torrances, El Dorados, Trabuco Hills and even the Crespis (remember how that felt?) of the world. Now that they’re out of your way and youre “winning” a bit, you can puff your chest out like you’re accomplishing more. But are you better…or just have fewer obstacles? Look closely.

    Amat is coming off a league (which was the 10th best IN THE NATION) season with two 5 point losses and a 14-3 loss in which our starting QB/SS went down when the score was 7-3 in the first half. Since you like that “points scored thing”, to use the same comparison – Amat held Loyola to 14 while Loyola cruised to 35 and took their foot off the pedal early against West Covina (who, of course, had injuries) That dosen’t exactly make Amat the Ayala, South Hills, Rowland, Walnut, Temple City or Blair of the Serra League! Those are bottom feeders, none of those in Amat’s league…and certainly playoff teams are not.

    This comes off a year when Amat was 9-0m and playing for the League championship of the 5th best league IN THE NATION on the final day of the regular season (when the Rio Hondo was the ONE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY NINTH best)…preceded by a year when the WON the FOURTH best league IN THE NATION. (in a year the Rio Hondo was the ONE-THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEVENTH best league – you get the picture?)
    http://calpreps.com/2009/ratings/National_leagues.htm
    So, if you follow those numbers, the league Monrovia plays in, the one you think youre dominating because you cruise thru, the one that validates how much you improve as the year goes on, is getting worse each of the last three years..by a lot!

    Since you brought up Garfiled league – heres the RHL
    La Canada – 767
    Temple City – 852
    San MArino – 500
    Blair – 1013
    South Pas – 570
    Still wanna compare? I think Garfield’s average rating is higher

    As importantly, since you wanted to rag on Garfield, take a look at who Garfield’s losses were to: #40, #60, #65, #84, #130, #224. I’d love to see someone in the Fish Bowl match that schedule. Monrovia (at #159) might be 0-6 against that group too. While Monrovia lost to #165, #291, and #296 You really shouldn’t have brought this up. Debate not a strong suit?

    Finally, you’re getting a kick out of comparative scores, when you say, “West Co Beat La Mirada worse than you did…Charter Oak Beat Damien worse then you,…” but by my math Amat’s 21 pt win is more than CO’s 13pt win (and they scored 28 on the Chargers compared to Amat’s 7) and Amat coasting to a 36 pt win (up 42-0 outta the blocks) over La Mirada is more than WC’s 29 pt win. Did you take math at Monrovia too? Or just delusional?

  • Looking Forward not backwards

    And Right on Que Fred J drops a bomb about the Serra(The league Bishop plays in) Joe Amat, “you better wake up and Smell what you’re shoveling”. Cif may very well say Bishop, Can not win at that level. The last 20 years say’s they are right. I personally would like Bishop to stay in Pac 5 as the SGV’s lone participate. But If you got to go, you got to go. SGV teams can always schedule those teams and beat them. I think the Southland is ready for some new match ups. This regional stuff, is not working. The Same schools are going to keep winning every year. But Like everyone has been saying, Bishop is falling off, and think the focus on being the SGV’s #1 caused this debacle. Bishop’s Tailor made schedule, loss of reality has cost them over the years. From playing D4 baseball and Basketball, to playing City section Garbage in week 0, that is not the Bishop Amat I know. I know Bishop has a lot of pride, and the Admins want to win. They will clean house soon. Something has to change over there. I believe it will. But ask yourself this… In week 14 was BA better or could have beat these teams. Now Bishop may beat the teams below West Covina From D-7 down, but still that is no Cake walk. These are just the Divisional champs, not to mention all the teams in between. It goes to show, that no matter what level you play on there is a team on that level, that can beat you on any given night. All of these teams have Size, Speed, and Talent, Coaching and that’s all it takes. So get off your High Horse, and talk some football.

    Pac5 – Santa Magarita
    Inland – Vista Murrieta
    Northern – Westlake
    Western – Arroyo Grande
    Central- Rancho verde
    South West – Tustin
    South East – West Covina
    Southern – Corona del mar
    Eastern – Summit
    North West – Lompoc
    Mid Valley – Monrovia
    Eastern – Sierra Canyon
    North East – Rio Hondo prep don’t knock the Kares, they play 11man football over there and could beat some teams.

  • Joe Amat

    this year Amat goes 10-3 against those teams> remember in 06 when Amat went 3-7 they still beat the D3 champion.

  • Looking Forward not backwards

    Joe bishop got in the playoffs as a last place 3 way tie coin flip. Come on, if that’s bottom dwelling, is one foot in the water. That would be like Sierra Vista, Gladstone, and workman having a coin flip for the last spot in the Midvalley.

    BA is to the pac 5, what Sierra vista is to the midvalley. Just a at-large berth trying to play 4 quarters of sound football, before the long bus ride home. And you have the Audacity to walk around with your chest Puffed out. Notsince1995 would chastise you if he saw this thread. JUst makes me sick! Always starting of a sentence with “remember when”. We do remember when…and we are saying that’s not now. See Delusional, I am going to start a resting home for old lancer fans, some they can sit around, and watch old vhs tapes of Daylon, Ralph and boys…Were they even on the sidelines at the santa margarita game… John Jackson will probably never call a bishop game because they won’t make it far enough for Fox sports to cover it. They were at the CO vs Upland game this year, Not at Bishop.

  • Looking forward in disguise

    NotSince95 with a different IP – What? Did you find a Starbucks to log in at and change your style a bit. ha – a leopard can’t change it’s spots. Just like you to not answer anything that was written – just a diversion. i guess if Crespi or Notre Dame won the flip – they should be dropped from the Pac 5 too? Didn’t read “remember when” once in that post – just a bunch of facts that blew you out of teh water!

  • Looking Forward not backwards

    Nice try I am not Not since1995. Attack what’s been said, doesn’t matter who’s ip it is. I am a mtown fan if you have not noticed. I don’t know where he is from. But his Banter was dead on. He Somewhat said the same thing every time, but was he wrong? He called the Bishop Amat Season spot on. The coin flip was a surprise, but nevertheless he was right. Next Season he will come on say the same thing. Or does bishop have a shot at winning the Serra or advance past the first Round? Bishop may need to drop down to the Western or Northern, Win there, the reevaluate going back to D1 in several years. Sad but true.

  • LOL

    Joe Amat AKA the remember when guy… HAHAHA

    Remember when we…
    Remember when the…
    Remember when they…
    Remember when I…

    LOL he is the king of the glory days!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA

  • Lancelot

    Joe, let’em bask in their 15 minutes…..They are the winner’s of the “Best film” in the Oscars Best Foreign Film category….Amat was a “participant” (there’s your bone haters)in the Oscars Best Picture category. There IS a difference folks.

    Everytime one of you clowns comes on the Blog and compares yourself to Bishop Amat…you prove my point.
    Bishop Amat is your measuring stick!

    If somehow,you can get the Blog Nation to agree with you, that Bishop Amat is down and “We” are up then “We” must be “as good as” or “better” than Bishop Amat, right? Keep trying. Let the spinners spin it and the twisters twist it…you can all “SAY” you’re as good as Thee Bishop Amat Lancers BUT until you can prove it….your just blowing steam. Actions still speak louder than words gentlemen….But thanks for playing.

  • Anonymous

    Its funny that so many Amat fans come on here and try to prove to everyone in the Valley that they are the best by posting past accomplishments, that just goes to show that obviously they haven’t done anything in present day or recent past.

  • the new guy

    Hey but we cant knock BA they do have some impressive loses this year. They can always say well at least we lost to the pac5 champs who is now in the state game. REALLY AMAT you guys really use that, well what about JSerra they can say they lost to the pac5 champs to, as well as the 12 other teams they beat. i just wanna know what is your point when you mention that, you lost to SM? or mention that you were in the game only in the 3rd quarter because at halftime you were down 24-7 but you did score two in the 3rd to pull within the 1 td deficit that you had at the end of the 1st quarter only to turn around and give up 3 td’s in the 4th what exactly are you fans saying? are you saying that you can lose in a humiliating fashion or you can lose and brag about the way you lost.

    ADVICE: Give it up BA. WC, CO, M-Town and La Habra would be the favorite to beat you in a head to head match up. Your no longer the face of the SGV your one of the faces but not the face anymore. Now when people talk about the SGV names like WC, CO and others come up first Amat might sneak in sometimes but not that often. its more exciting to talk about winning teams then teams who take pride in losing.

  • From Freds blog

    new girl – Fred Robledo said:

    Coaches comments are always great in these discussions, and they know more than we do. Remember, Damien coach Greg Gano played both Charter Oak and Bishop Amat, and he told us in November he would take Amat head-to-head. And remember what La Mirada coach Mike Moschetti said after facing La Habra and Bishop Amat.
    “We just got overwhelmed. Those two teams (St. Paul and La Habra) aren’t Bishop Amat. It’s not even close. — Mike Moschetti..

    December 14, 2011 11:18 AM

    …but I’m sure you know better than they

  • Get out more

    New girl – who do YOU talk to? The only time CO gets in the LA Times is when they get embarrassed by Upland. they didn’t even get an article when they won back to back champions against that .500 school in theor own league. And you say people talk about them? .the talk anout West Covina now is what an awful division they’re in because the final was so one sided. They’re not talking about how good WC is – they talking about how bad the division is. Mtown is a blip on evryones radar and the only reason that blip is their is McCarthy. They lost to South Hills for cryin out loud! The only reason the SgV is on anyones map is because of Amat because no one else even leaves the friendly confines of the valley.

  • CoViNa

    Bishop Amat fans, get over yourselves. You guys are not the BA of old. You guys will get beat by C.O., W.C., and Monrovia this year. Stop living in the past and admit that you guys are not close to the power that once was. Back in the day, man, noone around here could touch BA, but that is now gone. Open enrollment has hurt you guys bigtime. The economy has hurt you guys. I wish you guys were the BA of old, our Valley is better known when you guys were making noise in DIV 1, going to Reebok Bowl.
    Those days however are long gone. You guys are good, not great. Good athletes, nothing you cant find at any other local High School around. La Habra would beat u guys as well, and maybe Chino Hills also. And after you BA fans read this, please dont compare scores vs common opponents. Thats ridiculous.

  • The truth

    The is not another team in the valley that is within 3 tds of Crespi, Notre Dame, Alemany, or Loyola (ask West Covina) Amat beats Crespi, who beats Notre Dame. Notre Dame beat Serra! Serra might pick their score against Monrovia. Crespi is in the game against avista Murrietta and split with them , home and home, the last two years. Vista destroys Upland who embarrassed Charter Oak. Loyola demolishes West Covina and could barely score on Amat. Damien and evryone else was excited to only lose by 21 to Amat and they only scored once because of a fluke play – then Chino Hills needed a hail mary at the buzzer to beat them. Amat beat damien by more than CO and Damien ran and passed up and down the field. Cathedral beat Pasadena and the are a Southeast playoff team that beat the finalist! And we know what Amat did to Cathedral. Cathedral at full strength might beat CoViNa – no lie.
    Guys – this is not even close.honest

  • CoViNa

    The Truth, lmfao, I asked u not to do it. makes you sound foolish. all good tho. It was a good laugh while reading. And your probably right, Catherdral might beat CoViNa…

  • the new guy

    The truth
    LOL,what a loser you still throw out the comparative junk that doesn’t work people can go on all day with comparatives to make their team sound better when in all COMPARING SCORES gets you nowhere and nothing. GET OVER IT AMAT IS A DYING PROGRAM, BUT I DO HOPE YOU GUYS GET BETTER. besides the serra league might get dropped this year.

    P.S im not a CO fan either.

  • Lancelot

    Listen up Boys….I’m not saying what I’m saying to “Prove” anything about AMAT. The fact of the matter remains…..If you have NOT beaten AMAT, then YOU HAVE NOT BEATEN AMAT! Period. I really don’t give a rats patootie about your season (you’re an apple and AMAT is an orange-they don’t grow on the same tree). All your great season means is that you live in a different “corner of the world”. Great job in your world! Way to get’er done! My point is this….when you decide to step on the field with AMAT (and for those following along at home, this is the present) and you notch a “W” against AMAT, then and only then will you merit consideration for being “better” than thee Bishop Amat Lancers. Otherwise, you’re blowing GAS!!!! Enjoy the spoils of victory for those of you who earned it. It was hard fought and well deserved. Just don’t tell me that you “could” have beaten AMAT this year, because this years 6-5 AMAT team was one a hell of a team and I KNOW, they roll the valley this year too.

  • Dan

    Lancelot,
    Your words:
    “Just don’t tell me that you “could” have beaten AMAT this year, because this years 6-5 AMAT team was one a hell of a team and I KNOW, they roll the valley this year too.”
    Actually you know nothing about that. The two teams didn’t play, thats all there is to it. I don’t know , You don’t know, Nobody knows cause they did not play!
    So whadda ya really know?
    The fact is that WC “COULD” have won the game or WC “COULD” have lost the game, we just don’t know, never the less you just have to accept the possibility that WC “COULD”, or you can stay in your state of self denial.
    Last year, last 5 years, last decade, last century has absolutely no bearing on this year.
    I sure went crazy on these blogs today! I think that is the most I posted all season, I’m done for the night.

  • Lancelot

    EXACTLY Danny Boy – Its all you got so hang your hat on “could have”. Because when they HAVE played it didn’t work out as good as it “could have”. It was a definate “DIDN’T” get it done!!!! Amat fans are not supposed to bring up past scores and meetings because then we rely on “the past” and since we didn’t play this year, you come on here and state the obvious, “they didn’t play so they could have….” C’mon Dan, your better than that. I think you know what I was getting at. Sure you “could have” Dan but what I want to know is “How did” you do, when you’ve TRIED? So…..I just hope that IF and when the two teams play again (when is it WC’s turn to cycle through as the local team to play Amat?) WC doesn’t have “injuries” to blame their loss on.

  • Dan

    Lancelot,
    If and when it happens it’ll be setteld on the field, till then keep puffing that lancer chest of yours, it looks impressive.

  • Lancelot

    It is impressive (my chest that is…did you really want to talk about my anatomy?) BUT it it is nowhere as “impressive” as WC’s trouncing of the mighty La Serna Lancers….I’m just gonna go back and read my old Amat football programs because that’s all I have left as a Bishop Amat Fan (sarcasism, just in case you missed it), ha, ha, ha.

  • Attention All CO, WC, & MHS fans

    Mount Union takes on Wisconsin-Whitewater in the DIII Championship at 4 on ESPN2. I’m sure after seeing how they look against each other you’ll all agree that they must be able to defeat UCLA, who was only 6-7 this year in the Pac 12. They’ve both done way better in their division than the Bruins so should obviously be ranked higher.
    Of course you could always flip to ESPN at 5 and watch the D1AA semis and see Montana vs Sam Houston, who is 13-0 and clearly should be facing LSU ahead of 1 loss Alabama, because after all – it’s all about the record.

  • Attention All CO, WC, & MHS fans

    Mount Union takes on Wisconsin-Whitewater in the DIII Championship at 4 on ESPN2. I’m sure after seeing how they look against each other you’ll all agree that they must be able to defeat UCLA, who was only 6-7 this year in the Pac 12. They’ve both done way better in their division than the Bruins so should obviously be ranked higher.
    Of course you could always flip to ESPN at 5 and watch the D1AA semis and see Montana vs Sam Houston, who is 13-0 and clearly should be facing LSU ahead of 1 loss Alabama, because after all – it’s all about the record.

  • Lancelot

    LLLet iiit gooo maaan. Let it go.

  • Juventus

    Dear Morons,

    A 3-7 non-playoff team from the weakest league in Division II beat Monrovia. Do you know why? Because Monrovia, while they are a division champion, are a Division VIII champion (or whatever)- PERIOD.

    Someone included Monrovia in a list of teams that would veat Amat, uh no, you’re retarded!

    I am not an Amat fan, as a matter of fact I cannot stand a bulk of their supporters; however, I have played and watched area high school football. I have been around the game for about 25 years now. I have even exposed my wife to it, and SHE can tell a MAJOR difference between Mid Valley football and the Southeast; let alone, the Inland division and Pac-5!

    Monrovia, Covina (I played for, both Sheehan and Thomas) are no where near this years Amat team. As a matter of fact, NO team in the Valley, exception CO and WC would even come close to giving them a worthwhile game. Division I and II are levels of BIGGER, STRONGER, and FASTER! The tackling and passing in the lower divisions is usaully HORRIBLE!

    Also, keep in mind the teams that Amat beat. OH MY GOSH, if you had beaten just one of those teams, you’d be crying for a spot in the State Chapionship Series, probably a USA Today National Championship

    The last program that could have, realistically beaten Amat (aside from Damien who did) was the 70′s, 80′s and 2000′s era Los Altos. The 2003 LA team would have beaten Amat soundly, not quite a butt whoopin’, but by a comfortable margin.

    Monrovia, South Hills was and is better than you. You would not have had ONE win in the Sierra League.

    I have NO problem with your championship (congrats, by the way), or your pride; but, my advice is be a REAL champion and be HUMBLE. Know your place! You are a lower division champion- END OF STORY.

  • haven’t you heard

    Juventus, Monrovia has several D1 players on the roster. Haven’t you read ? Bishop Amat does not have any D1 prospects at this time. You have your opinion and others have theirs. I sucks being a Lancer these days. You are better off going to a lower level school. At least you will win games and get a scholarship. At Bishop You lose games, and not one is getting a scholarship, and you pay all that money too. Sad but true.

  • Flipside

    Yeah, but you go to MONROVIA H.S. and getting interest and “getting” a scholarship are two different things. PLUS, you are more likely to be a JC backwash with that high caliber MHS education and college prep curriculum.

  • Observantcat

    Are you going to listen to the Haters like Flipside or are you going more academic an listen to people who know what they are talking about.
    Check out ESPN’s analysis of Who’s, Who in the San Gabriel Valley.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/preps/post/_/id/13393/l-a-south-all-region-football-teams

  • Otherside

    I’m gonna go with Flipside.