Concerned reactions abound after rash of coaching resignations … Follow me on Twitter @ChemicalAT


Steve Bogan steps down in the prime of his career after winning four CIF titles at South Hills.

A recent rash of resignations by several area high school football coaches has rocked the local landscape this week and in its wake left many fans, players and coaches scratching their heads in disbelief.

Since the 2011 football season ended, there have been seven resignations by area varsity football head coaches. This week alone, six coaches announced their decisions to step away from their posts and several of them well-known names in charge of some the Valley’s top programs. More troubling still is that there could be more on their way out.

So far, the tally includes Steve Bogan (South Hills), Matt Koffler (Rosemead), Darryl Thomas (Covina), James Wilson (Mountain View), Todd Quinsey (Glendora), Eric Podley (Bonita) and Bob Burt (Wilson).

“No, quite simply no,” said longtime Charter Oak head coach Lou Farrar when asked if he’d ever witnessed this many resignations at one time during his six decades as a coach in the area. “It concerns me because I know how important athletics are to overall school climate. But you have to understand where they’re coming from. I really understand why these guys are doing what they’re doing.”

The aftermath of the the resignations has led many people to express concern that there is a singular common denominator that led each coach to his decision. That doesn’t appear to be the case, however.

The desire to spend more time with family played a big role for some. Others were simply burned out. In Burt’s case, he was a one-year caretaker for a Wilson program that wanted stability and a well-respected veteran to groom what it hopes will be a long-term solution at head coach.

For Quinsey, the lack of a full-time job at Glendora forced him to make a decision for the betterment of his family. For Podley, who doubles as Bonita’s athletic director, the opportunity to turn the program over to a fledgling coach while remaining on staff as offensive coordinator was too good to pass up.

And yet despite all the reasons given for the glut of departures, a myriad of issues weighing on coaches have come to the forefront and had better be addressed or more offseasons like the current one are likely to follow.

In some cases, the reasons given for their decision to resign were the best-sounding way out after a culmination of a broad spectrum of problems pushed the coaches too far.

Concerns expressed to the Tribune by current and recently resigned coaches ranged from a perceived lack of appreciation from school administrators to budget cuts to taking anonymous criticism at various social media venues, including this newspaper’s popular prep sports blogs, to the growing duties of managing what’s become a year-around program all while dealing with oft-crazed parents.

“Matt Koffler is not burned out on football,” Arroyo coach Jim Singiser said. “He’s burned out on everything it takes to get to Friday night. I’m not putting words in any of these guys’ mouths. They can all speak for themselves. But the strain is what it takes just to get to Friday nights. And we all love Friday night. We all love being at practice and breaking down films and being with the other coaches and coaching up the kids, but it’s the other stuff that’s being magnified.

“So much of coaching today is about just getting to Friday night. With budgets, grades and parents, it’s about how hard it’s becoming to get your team to Friday night.”

Some have speculated that the 2008 elimination of the CIF association rule has played a major role in coaches burning out early now that sports like football can practice for nearly the entire calendar year. It should be noted that few if any of the coaches who resigned this offseason had altered their annual preparation schedule from what it was before the association rule was abolished. Most still had their teams lift weights in the winter, held spring practice in May, hit the passing tournament circuit during summer and started fall practice on August. But even that is quite a load for a coach to manage on a stipend that averaged between $2,000-3,500 per year.

This week’s slew of resignations has caught the attention CIF, but as Southern Section Director Information Thom Simmons explained it, there’s really not much that his organization can do other than enforce the rules that the member schools implement and express gratitude to the coaches who have decided to resign.

“If the competitiveness at the high school level in Southern California is causing coaches to burn out said, then I understand that,” Simmons said. “It’s a very competitive place to be a coach and the expectations are high. But there’s nothing that we in this office can do to alleviate that.

“If schools want to put a rule in place that says that offseason practices can no longer occur, then that’s going to be a decision for the schools to make and we can enforce it. But we can’t weigh into that simply because it’s not our decision to make.”

Due to the state’s economic crisis, coaches have taken on the added burden of having to hold more and more fundraisers in order to compensate for budget cuts. It’s become yet another in a long line of duties for coaches that gets amplified.

“The costs are going up, so now where I used to have to do two fundraisers, now I have to do eight or 10,” Singiser said. “I was washing cars on July 2. I’m 43-years-old and I have a wife and two kids, and I’m having to wash cars from 8 a.m. til 3 p.m. just to buy helmets. It’s not all on the administration. It’s not all on the parents. It’s the state of where everything is at right now.”

Although most coaches are quick to explain they are not in the business to make money, several told this newspaper that they are looking for compensation in other ways. Specifically, appreciation from administrators who have put an increased focus on attendance numbers and test scores. The appreciation, according to one local coach interviewed for this story, could be as simple as a pat on the back.

Managing coaches during such difficult times can be tough for administrators. Perhaps nobody does a better job of it locally than Charter Oak principal Kathie Wiard, who was once a softball and basketball coach.

“I’m definitely saddened,” Wiard said of this week’s events. “They’re all great guys and coaching is such a big part of what we do in our schools and these guys are great role models for our kids. To see them be so burned out that they have to make these choices, I just feel bad. It’s definitely a challenge for principals.

“My guess is that the principals really do (appreciate the coaches), but their time is busy like everybody else. We’re very fortunate at Charter Oak because we believe athletics are a very integral part of our school and community. I’m sure the other principals do, too.”

Wiard and several coaches mentioned the toll social media has taken on coaches, who are now open to criticism and second guessing from faceless entities. The explosion of Facebook, Twitter and blogs have added another dimension that didn’t exist as little as 10 years ago.

“I think the blogs kill us,” said Damien coach Greg Gano, who is in his fourth decade as an area coach. “People can email the principals without signing their name. And guess who’s got to answer to them, the coaches. I’m just not a blog guy. I think it does some good things, but it rips coaches. It’s an open invitation to rip coaches and people get tired of getting ripped.”

Even if this week’s resignations are more coincidence than a common theme, it’s very obvious that coaches are under burdens and pressures never seen before at any point in history. Some have been pushed to the brink and decided that it’s just not worth it. Others legitimately have a desire to spend more time with their family.

No matter the reason, the Valley has seen several stalwarts of the coaching profession walk away and that’s led to a lot of somber reactions from just about everyone.

“Coach Bogan was on the interview panel when I was hired and he’s had a large impact on me,” West Covina coach Mike Maggiore said. “Regardless of who won (when we played), and they won more than we did, he was always really gracious and a good guy. It kind of puts things in perspective even though things are going really well right now at West Covina.

“The coaches who coach 30-40 years, you don’t see a lot of them anymore. It’s just a lot different than it used to be 20-30 years ago. There’s a just a lot more to it. It’s tough on a family and tough on guys. I can see where you get a lot of burn out.”

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  • Observantcat

    Make it 8, Ben Negret from Shurr.

  • Admin Biggest Problem

    I know it is not the SGV but the Etiwanda coach also resigned. He is being replaced by a walk on (Tom Leach)even though the district had 4-5 in district guys apply. I really believe that Administrators (District and school site level)are back stabbing, coneiving, self centered punks for the most part. Only care about themselves, their livelihoods and their careers. Many want their buddies as coaches or people who won’t challenge their status quo. I really don’t think that many of them care about kids anymore. Total power trippers. Much more of a cut from the corporate cloth nowadays rather than the education cloth.

  • Football Guy

    You didn’t put La Canada in there but they are looking for a coach. From what I heard they offered it in house and were turned down. Good luck

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Gents,

    This article was for the Tribune area only, hence the omission of Negrete and Yoder.

  • Pete Eckhart

    A. Then don’t put it on your svg blog if its only for the tribune area (put it on your boy freddy’s blog).

    B. Like you said in the article, if the blogs are part of the issue with coaches…. shut it down and just report on the papers and the papers website.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Pete Eckhart,

    A. I’ll put it wherever I want.

    B. The blogs are going absolutely nowhere.

    If you or anybody else (coaches included) can’t handle them, then stay off them.

  • Problem Solved: “COACH AT ORPHANGES”

    Thesis said:

    Once again it comes to the value of the blog and once again it’s all about the parents and the negativity of the blog comments upon the helpless shoulders of the coaches. Is that really an argument worth making? I tend to look at things with evidence rather than conjecture and exaggerations based on assumptions or generalizations.

    Which of the current resigning coaches took a bath on the blog? Podley? Thomas? Bogan? Koffler? Seriously, all are well liked on their campuses and all have been COY candidates promoted by bloggers many times over. In fact there are NO parent stalkers with any of these coaches that come from “their” respective schools so when has the blog played a role in their decisions to step down. Try answering that question with evidence and not antedote.

    Mountain View and Schurr have similar situations with staffs that are well liked by their players and rarely if ever are mentioned on the blog, so again why is the blog or parents an issue with these resignations? Matter of fact the MV HC and staff built that program with smoke and mirrors, talk about outstanding guys. Schurr is Schurr they’ll attract a solid staff and be just fine.

    The Wilson case is unique and clearly an administration in flux and bloggershave been merciless no doubt but winning cures all ills as La Puente has shown. So once agains where is teh evidence parents or bloggers forced coaches out?

    The way I’ve always seen this problem is simple, call the parent in, along with the coaches in question and deal with it in house. Chances are there is a solution agreeable to all parties that takes every one’s concerns into question. What you don’t do is tear the blogger parent’s kid a new one.

    Every day I read about coaches being role models and sports being a character building vehicle in a student’s life but somehow the blog trumps all that? Really? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read or heard coaches say “I love coaching but I hate the parents”, really? I have a solution for those coaches, “COACH AT ORPHANGES!”.

    “If” the blog has a weakness it’s the moderators who routinely live off the negative comments because they generate the most buzz. Just look at the countless threads/stories with no comments, WHY? My guess is it’s easier to not compliment for fear soemone will tear their kids/coaches/schools a new one.

    If an anaolgy can be made here regarding the blog it’s raising kids. “This” blog is some one’s “baby” (business term) and while in it’s infancy(early stages) all hiccups ( missteps) are forgiven and after 8 years it’s time to call a come clean ( product assessment), “What defined role does the blog have in the SGV and is it ultimately positive or negative and why?”

    Maybe Fred, Aram and Steve can answer that question without thinking this is a dig or an indictment on their character. In all fairness to the Sportswriters in the Fish Bowl their bosses hung them out to dry because none of them really new what they had on their hands. Just likethe HC who asked for the association rule change only to cry about it’s implications after the fact, too late now the genie’s out of the bottle.

  • Problem Solved: “COACH AT ORPHANGES”

    Thesis said:

    Once again it comes to the value of the blog and once again it’s all about the parents and the negativity of the blog comments upon the helpless shoulders of the coaches. Is that really an argument worth making? I tend to look at things with evidence rather than conjecture and exaggerations based on assumptions or generalizations.

    Which of the current resigning coaches took a bath on the blog? Podley? Thomas? Bogan? Koffler? Seriously, all are well liked on their campuses and all have been COY candidates promoted by bloggers many times over. In fact there are NO parent stalkers with any of these coaches that come from “their” respective schools so when has the blog played a role in their decisions to step down. Try answering that question with evidence and not antedote.

    Mountain View and Schurr have similar situations with staffs that are well liked by their players and rarely if ever are mentioned on the blog, so again why is the blog or parents an issue with these resignations? Matter of fact the MV HC and staff built that program with smoke and mirrors, talk about outstanding guys. Schurr is Schurr they’ll attract a solid staff and be just fine.

    The Wilson case is unique and clearly an administration in flux and bloggershave been merciless no doubt but winning cures all ills as La Puente has shown. So once agains where is teh evidence parents or bloggers forced coaches out?

    The way I’ve always seen this problem is simple, call the parent in, along with the coaches in question and deal with it in house. Chances are there is a solution agreeable to all parties that takes every one’s concerns into question. What you don’t do is tear the blogger parent’s kid a new one.

    Every day I read about coaches being role models and sports being a character building vehicle in a student’s life but somehow the blog trumps all that? Really? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read or heard coaches say “I love coaching but I hate the parents”, really? I have a solution for those coaches, “COACH AT ORPHANGES!”.

    “If” the blog has a weakness it’s the moderators who routinely live off the negative comments because they generate the most buzz. Just look at the countless threads/stories with no comments, WHY? My guess is it’s easier to not compliment for fear soemone will tear their kids/coaches/schools a new one.

    If an anaolgy can be made here regarding the blog it’s raising kids. “This” blog is some one’s “baby” (business term) and while in it’s infancy(early stages) all hiccups ( missteps) are forgiven and after 8 years it’s time to call a come clean ( product assessment), “What defined role does the blog have in the SGV and is it ultimately positive or negative and why?”

    Maybe Fred, Aram and Steve can answer that question without thinking this is a dig or an indictment on their character. In all fairness to the Sportswriters in the Fish Bowl their bosses hung them out to dry because none of them really new what they had on their hands. Just likethe HC who asked for the association rule change only to cry about it’s implications after the fact, too late now the genie’s out of the bottle.

  • Coach Slayer

    @ Problem Solved: YOU ARE TRULY ARE AN IDIOT AND A KNOW IT ALL!! YOU CAN’T WRITE A LICK BUT YOU THINK YOU CAN!!GO BACK TO THE HOLE YOU CLIMBED OUT OF JACKASS. Does’nt feel to good does it? You don’t have to have every blogger jump on you but just one clown can really ruin your day. It only takes one tiny parent to call you out that can make you regret coaching. The coaching you do for free basically. Aram, you know the scary part. I have spoken to three of the coaches that have resigned and they are all very happy and contented and know they have made a great decision. That tells me for the most part these guys have had it up to here with the once coveted position. And for you Problem “GO WRITE FOR THE HERALD EXAMINER”.

  • Coach orphans

    Coach Slayer aren’t coaches adults? Almost every coach who resigned was well thought of and not taken to task at all, for the most part loved and admired universally. Answer the question with evidence Coach Slayer. Which one was run out? I’ll wait for your coaching brotherhood BS response, “one comment ruins your day” give me a break how many coaches ruin a kids day daily and who watches them? Why do coches even read the blog? The blog hurts the bad coaches while the good ones couldn’t care less. You think LeDuc cares when some idiot says he can’t coach or plays weak teams in his tournaments? Good job blocking for your fraternity Coach BS. Hey are you going to be honest here or just talk tough. Name two coaches who aren’t qualified to coach high school students or is in over his or her head, you won’t will you because all coaches are saints, BS!

  • New York

    Aram,
    Your flippant response is unbecoming of your local prowess. I always felt you, especially with you “In the Huddle” blog, transend the SGV (West and East), and that Freddy and Miguel focused on each side, respectively. Besides, nowhere in your article did you mention ESGV, only “local,” which, again, typically encompasses the entire SGV now that you have your In the Huddle…Rosemead is WSGV.

    Now time to pick a symantics fight for fun: Bogan was HC 19 years…is he REALLY at the ‘peak’ of his career. Podley turning it over to a ‘fledgling’ coach…not the most flattering way to describe his protege. lol

    Regarding criticism on the blogs: The blogs can be somewhat of a virtual suggestion box. They can offer transparency into what historically have been very entrenched positions of with somewhat unchecked power. I have heard that long-time on-campus teachers are difficult to remove from coaching positions, even though coaching positions are supposedly not protected. I think the blogs need to continue unearthing issues, but don’t stop with the faces of the programs (head coaches), start highlighting their bosses all the way up. BUT, start highlighting the GOOD stuff too. Praise coaches and administrators who are doing a great job. I recall positive articles about the principals at South Hills and Charter Oak. Hopefully we bloggers will start offering praise as well.

  • New York

    That’s what I get for being a wisenheimer…you wrote “prime” not “peak.” Oh well, same point though…

  • Anoth example of ARAM the Village Idiot

    Aram:
    “A. I’ll put it wherever I want.
    B. The blogs are going absolutely nowhere.
    If you or anybody else (coaches included) can’t
    handle them, then stay off them”

    These comments glaringly show what an arrogant A$$ you are – it is still obvious you will do what you want when you want with complete disregard for ethics, humility, conscience, or common decency.

    Gano put it perfectly – anonymous people shoot there mouth offs constantly on these blogs and e-mails and the coaches have to answer to it from their admin.

    You sir, the village idiot, are the leader of this kind of stuff, promote this on a constant basis, yet take ZERO ownership of it’s negative affects on the people these tirades are targeted at.

  • TIME TO LET GO

    The famous saying goes like this “everything comes to an end”. All these great coaches have lives and families and personal goals-”everything comes to an end”. It’s the ones that don’t want to retire are the ones the are “stubborn and are not open to new ideas”. These men have no life, they are stuck in yesterday, in what could of happened, what should have happened, and you MEMBER this and that, they are hurting the program etc…

    I commend the men that are confident in who they are and are not intimidated by the young coaches coming up, they can relinquish the helm.. Every succesful leader has a successor !!!!!

  • Football Guy

    Aram,

    Last time I looked Rosemead is not in the Tribune area.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Incorrect. Rosemead is a Tribune school. Koffler 2001 Tribune Coach of the Year.

    It can also be considered a crossover school with the Star-News, but the overwhelming majority of home subscription in Rosemead is to the Tribune.

    Rosemead’s city hall stuff is covered by the Tribune. Rosemead’s school district is covered by the Tribune. Rosemead’s school district is the El Monte Union (Tribune).

    Lemme know if I can be of anymore help.

  • Kan B’alam Son of Pakal

    Well so far the coaches resigning are from the Midvalley and Southeast Division. You also have the out matched SGV inland coaches under stress. They will not win at that level for a long time. In the last few years Monrovia(Maddox) and West Covina(Maggiore) Have totally dominated, their respective divisions. It’s no fun to be a part of a division that you can not win. Next year Monrovia, and West Co seem to be the favorites again. It would be one thing if the title was going from school to school within the division, like in other divisions. This is not the case here. These coaches work year round to get their teams ready to compete in the playoffs, and win. Covina for example, Coach Thomas spent four years grooming this years class to win it. Only to get beat convincingly at home. Podley Came off a title run, only to watch the same team WesCo score 84 pts in the finals. These guys want to rest and refresh themselves, and come back to coach. Or stay in the program, but limit some of the stress. I think Once Monrovia and West Covina are placed in their correct divisions, the balance of power may balance out. After 3 peats it’s time to go. So I understand why they want a break. After seeing what they had returning etc… Losing is not fun, and when you have no chance of winning it’s even worse. These Coaches paid their dudes, and put in the work. It makes more sense to spend time with your family, then come back and coach at a school, with players, in a Division that they can compete in and win.

  • AyalaBulldogFan

    Helicopter parents and lunatic principals… It’ll drive a coach to drink and or quit.

  • HAGERTY?

    When is HAGERTY going to quit?

    He hasn’t done anything in the last 4 years at Amat! You’ve think he would just leave out of embarrassment!

    just sayin’

  • just sayin’

    When you take over a chaotic program spiraling in the wrong direction coming off a 3-7 season and 3 non-playoff years then proceed to go 32-13, put up four straight playoff teams, a League championship with non-league wins over Orange Lutheran, Mater Dei, St Bonaventure, among others, AND have kids that demonstrate more character than teams of the recent past….I’d say you’ve moved the team in a positive direction.

  • Former coach

    I have spent 7 years of my teaching career as a varsity head coach of one of the three major HS sports in this area and recently walked away from coaching. A major part of our program included character building and preparing our players to be more armed and informed individuals as they prepare for the current and next level of their lives. Out of all the reasons suggested as to why all these coaches are stepping away from their coaching positions, pay and time spent are typically 2nd and 3rd of the 3 behind one of the main reasons and that is the negativity that comes from the parents and the constant bashing that coaches receive on this blog. Over the past 10 years or so, the parenting perspective has become extremely skewed and out of whack. Gone are the days of parents holding their kids accountable for their actions and supporting the school and the teachers, and especially the coaches. High School athletics are about school spirit, marching bands, Friday night football games, rival basketball games, letterman jackets, and pride for your school. Many parents have forgot about this and have incorporated their own personal agendas into son/daughter’s lives and are living vicariously through their children. In all my conversations that I had with “concerned” parents over my 7 years, very rarely was a parent concerned about how their son was being treated and more concerned about why their son wasn’t playing more. All too often the fact that we preached establishing good relationships with everyone around you, being respectful and humble, and working hard and earning the things that you want in life, was a non existent priority in any of those conversations. It is really shameful to read some of the things that get written on these blogs when it comes to attacking coaches and players on here as it represents a true trend in the direction that our society is headed in.. You can all sit here and spin it however you want and speculate as to why these coaches are walking away, but having experienced it first hand, the reason for MOST of these coaches, not all, is apparent. At what point do we stop forcing out good “people” that coach and wake up to the fact that some of the parents that come on here and spew negativity can barely control their own kid, let alone a program of 45-75 kids, depending on which sport you coach. We as coaches, coach because we love the game, we love working with young men, and we love the sprit of high school competition and the rivalry, not for the money so unless your son is being mistreating or verbally abused by their coach, why don’t you just say Thank you for providing my son with a life-long memory of being able to talk about playing a high school sport with some of the guys that he will get together with 20 years from now.

  • sgv scouting

    This is a very sensitive issue and I am glad that Aram has decided to bring it up and have a civil discussion about it. And that is the key words here, “civil discussion.” Let me first get this out on the table, I really do think that you’ll see Steve Bogan in the coaching box within the next two to three years. Not that I’ve ever talked to him about it, but those discussions are between me and him and will never make the light of this blog.

    I’ve been fortunate that I’ve experience coaching at the public and the private school level. I’ve always had the feeling that in the mid-2000′s there was no difference in the two school structures in the San Gabriel Valley. The coaching at the high-end public schools were just as good as at Bishop Amat and Damien… the only difference was at BA and DHS, you had to pay tuition, no such thing at public schools.

    But, the economic climate has changed in Southern California and particularly in the San Gabriel Valley. It was a fact that hit pretty good this afternoon, that a coach like Anthony White (who had a great run with Matt Koffler at Rosemead HS) is having success at Buena Park High School. He’s at a school that is stable financially, doesn’t have to worry to much about fundraising and coach football. I can tell you first hand that their have not been any mass exodus’ in the SF Valley. The only coaching vacancy was at Harvard/Westlake and that has been filled.

    Right now, the San Gabriel Valley has been hit hard from an economic and education point of view. Only now are businesses returning to the valley, but the fact that can’t be disputed is that the high-level athletes that kept the SGV in the newspapers in Southern California (in football in particular) are gone. Here is fact that is hitting everyone between the eyes, their maybe anywhere from one to five football players signing on LOI signing day. And when the dust settles the number will be three.

    Yes, the perception is that the SGV is a baseball community. The success of teams like Amat, South Hills, Diamond Bar, Damien and others has helped further strengthen those impressions. And that is the reason why I believe the SGV is at a cross-roads when it comes to athletics.

    The feeling was back in 2010 when the Mt.SAC re-leaguing committee made the changes was to give schools like Nogales, Wilson a chance to win. At the same time, schools like South Hills, Charter Oak (who had been the bell-weather schools in Southern California that everyone knew) were getting moved up because “they can compete at a higher level.” Well, Nogales is not winning, Wilson has gone through coaching changes, South Hills has taken a PR hit and the school that reaped the benefits was West Covina.

    So I understand where coaches like Jim Singiser are tired. His quote about the process of getting to Friday nights in right on the money. But I don’t agree that the association rule as anything to do with it. Schools had ways to work around it and believe me, all the rule has done for football you have 7 on 7 practice on the football field. You have to remember, the association rule was put into place because of our friends in soccer. CIF was tired of wasting money trying to enforce a rule that was continually being abused.

    But when I totally disagree with coaches like Greg Gano say that the impact of resignations were because of what is happening on this blog and Fred’s blog. Coach Gano (who happens to be a very good friend of mine) says that parents can email the school and they have to respond to those emails. Here is my question, what is the difference between written letters that were sent in the 70′s and the 80′s and now. Can’t see where the letters were any different in intensity. The only difference is that emails are sent at a faster rate of speed.

    The other thing are blogs. Coach Gano says it killing us. Here is my next question, what’s the difference between someone writing on this blog and someone who wrote “Letters to the Editor” back in the day? The answer… nothing. And one more thing, if the blogs are killing you, why are you (and other coaches in the area) asking Fred and Aram to promote your camps and you are charged nothing by either of these two? It simply can’t be a two-way street. Yeah its great to promote camps and put money in my pocket, but I can’t stand it because some people take you to task for a third-down defensive call that went awful.

    The one factor that I will agree with in the article is the parents factor. And it will be something I will address in my column this week.

    Thank you!

  • Coaches Coach

    SGV Scouting is missing the point. Have you ever thought about the fact that these men may in fact be telling the truth? That in fact they are merely burned out and want to move on with other important parts of their lives (see raising own children, health, spouses, etc)? Coach Gano’s job is not to get these young men a D1 scholarship. There are much too many factors outside of his control that determine that outcome. Least of all the young man’s athletic ability. It is in fact Coach Gano’s job to be teach. To teach these guys direction, discipline, leadership and respect while in high school and for their future. What the horse does when he gets to the watering hole is always up to the horse! As to the economy of the SGV, I will tell you that financial troubles have hit the entire Southern California. In many ways, the economic down turn was worse in Orange County than it was in other areas (see real estates defaults and unemployment rates in the OC). Carson and Crenshaw are not in wealthy communities SGV Scouting! Lastly, sgv scouting, you place much too much value on a D1 scholarship! In fact your focus should always be Education. You most of all know very well that a 5 star cannot get a scholarship without a SAT score and a minimum gpa. That is unless he attends state school or a private school where the AD can get him an academic exception (see USC, UCLA, San Jose State, etc). Many of our SGV athletes go on to participate in D1AA, DII and DIII sports and do quite well, thank you very much! These young men and women go on to receive a real education, participate in the sport they love and respect, and ultimately become part of the socio-economic fabric of our nation. D1 scholarship does not equal educational or financial success. Here again what the horse does when he gets to the watering hole is always up to the horse!

    What does a scout do?

  • Coach Slayer

    @sgv: Gramps are you kidding? If you can’t tell the difference between e-mail and blogging than yesteryears snail mail and letters to the editor well Pop you might be losing it. Let me help. For one you can sit in your easy chair and type up your essay and press send and voila 100 people will read it in the next few minutes. No editing, no editor and totally anonymous. It’s the speed and anonimity of the blogs that make things different. If you believe that it is no different why do you and I not give our real names? I don’t know you but I doubt your statements about your coaching history and relationship with many coaches are totally honest and in fact lies to try to give your essay added credence. I love the blogs and find them valuable but like anything else they can be used to target people in their sights for many different reasons. I hope these new coaches coming on have tough exteriors because they are gonna need it. To suggest to them to “just don’t read the blogs” is nice but the fact is they all do. How many letters to the editor are printed in the paper on a particular subject 1 or maybe 2? A coach or program under attack on the blog can get 100 over night. How would you feel if you are the target? So the genie is out of the bottle and coaches will have to learn to just live with it.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    SGV Scouting,

    Great point … “I hate the blogs … can you promote my camp on the blog?” So, so true.

  • sgv scouting

    “Coaches Coach” I know that some of them are telling me the truth. I can’t tell you how many phone calls I would get from Bogan telling me, “Can you believe what they’re on (Fred/Aram’s) blog?” And I would tell him what I tell you, please it’s someone’s uneducated opinion. And believe me when I tell you 90% of the people that blog have no idea how to run a HS football program and couldn’t explain a cover two or a cover three if they tried.

    Have you thought of this point… maybe some of these coaches are burned out because they get NO support from there administration at the school or at District Office? The last time I saw a Superintendent at South Hills giving congratulations to Steve Bogan was Mike Miller in 2005…and believe me, I think they are a lot of people who would do anything see back in the superintendent seat at CVUSD. He loved athletics and would support the three high schools. Something the new superintendent might want to do.

    I agree that it’s not Coach Gano’s job to get kids Division 1 scholarships, but it’s his job to develop players to their highest level (especially at a private catholic school that wants to be successful at the highest level). And I agree that student/athletes have to have GPA’s and test scores to qualify.

    But let me ask you this question. Are their any Shaun Cody’s, Donnie McCleskey’s, Brigham Harwell, Bryan and Jeremy Payton in the East SGV… clearly the answer is no.

    And the blogs are edited by Aram and Fred everyday. I know that for a fact. So that argument doesn’t wash either.

    It’s a great subject to talk about, because, and this is my opinion, many of the “old guard” don’t know how to handle this type of new age technology where every issue is magnified in the fifth degree online. You have to have a thick skin to be a coach these days… or you could do what I did two years ago… start working in the San Fernando Valley where the catholic and private schools rule!!!!

  • Coach Fan

    Aram are you writing a story or making one up? All these coaches are extremely forthright and of high moral character so why doubt their motives? If you want to write an article about problem parents in high school sports or stalker bloggers abusing coaches unjustly write “that” story, or at least imvestigate the possiblity, but here you’re piggy backing in my opinion. Surprising,given your inferences, that you didn’t interview coaches who were “run out” , for lack of a better term, like Verti,Aguilar or Morrison or coaches who have been blog consistently villifued. Great topic but clearly you’reclosing the barn after the horses have gone. At some point the blog lack of oversight might be what you’re ignoring and you comments to coaches doesn’t help much. Players,coaches and AD’s are fair game to evealute and disect so why not your performance Aram, or that of the blog? Seems fair doesn’t it to at soem point have a real time chat like Cousin Mike has during games. Clearly Gano, and others,have concerns.

  • Coach Fan

    So Jaime are you now saying you’re officially in the San Fernando Valley for good or for the next ten minutes? Wasn’t it a year ago or so you were moving on to the greener pastures in the I.E. where all the “real” athletes play? Maybe you forgot all our collective sighs of relief but you were not missed here in our beloved Fish Bowl.

    I’m guessing you’re drinking tonight, clearly not your best efforts. Your rambling dissertation lacked focus and was incoherent at times.

    Jaime why is it coaches don’t call in parents they know they have a problem with. We
    ve all seen coaches bully kids, talk down to the and challenge them to “Man up”, so why is it so difficult for HCs to just work out any issue man to man, like adults.

    Players know when Coaches have problems with Dads and visa versa and more importantly why. It’s not always about playing time, as you know, but that seems to be a cop put these days. And it’s not, as some one has said before, “parents who can’t even control their kids much less run a program”. When you say “parents who can’t discuss coverages yet want to tell evealute coaches” what are you implying? Do you think I need to be a General Manager to know Matt Millen was terrible at his job or San Francisco was only a coach away from being great again?

    Like so many individuals today you’ve forgetten why sports used to be fun and how valuable being part of team used to be. Somehow we’ve sold our souls to men like yourself who make a living making promises you can’t keep and married into a mentality of winning is everything, when in reality competing to the best of your ability is what matters most.

    If you really think about it as a student athlete ot must be nice to play at a school no one notices. The other day when I spoke to a Varsity HC and asked him if it wasn’t time to just have “closed” practice sand he said, “You knowwhat, you might be right.”

    If I coached today I’d have parents & players sign a NO BLOG PROMISE and BOYCOTT Sportwriters who obviously think the world couldn’t live without them. The IE has some of the best teams, players and coaches yet their blog is almost nonsexsistent, doesn’t seem to hurt when it comes to D1 signings.

  • sgv scouting

    I never said that I was leaving the 626, 951 or 909. But I will tell you this, where once players in the San Fernando Valley and Ventura County were not well known in Southern California, they are getting a lot more exposure from coaches that are sending film out and allowing them to go to camps and combines.

    Here is a sad stat for you, Crespi might have more players sign on signing day that the ENTIRE San Gabriel Valley. Think about that for just a minute….

    I love the IE and will always scout it and find players. As for D-1 players in the SGV, I think I might be able to count them on ONE hand.

    And I don’t see the trend changing for the next couple of years…

  • Aaron

    Mr. Escarcega…you obviously don’t scout players…give me some diamonds in the rough that you actually helped get a ride. I’m being serious, I asked you to take a look at some kids…yes it was the homer in me, but they had the goods. Yes one is at DIAA and the other DIII…who wants to go to El Paso to play also? Your evaluations aren’t honest at all because if they were you’d do more homework.

    You get your brain racked in on here because your validity is scant, your credibility is zero. At least over here where we…the paying public, since I am a subscriber to the Tribune I’m paying to read your driveled opinions that are worthless. Why do I read them? Honestly, it is to see what stuff you come up with next.

    Yes, somehow in the coaching circle you’ve been passed around and now have a job at Crespi…what is that job though, I’d like you to post the copy of your business card. I’ve asked where your website is…you had a blog on blogspot…but so did I when I was a tyke. When I ask you where your website is, you run away. I know how to use homophones…so figure that out. It was nice…but sometimes when a man has been coaching for so long he gets burnt and needs to take a sabbatical.

  • Coach Fan

    Jaime you say you’re going to address the Parent Factor as if your services aren’t part of the problem. Years ago “scouts” found you, your high school coaches developed talent exclusively and special diets (supplements that tear kids bodies up) and special fee driven trainers were almost nonexistent. Today the real problem is any former athlete can hang a shingle and promote himself as the “missing link” in Johnny’s success. Any one with too much time on his hands can toe tip and call themselves “evaluators” and, for a fee, provide parents with “film, contacts and promises” to hand deliver to colleges. Clearly coaches today face a myriad of forces pulling the attention and resources away from their control, and from the “team”. What HC today doesn’t have to deal with players who are being pulled in different directions, Private QB Coaches, Private WR coaches, Private Strength and Conditioning coaches DURING THE SEASON !!!! That was unheard of even 10 years ago now it’s the norm. Look at a team that wins and what do you see, the best athletes playing both ways, well guess what local coaches have to deal with today? Players who are “single” position guys before they even put on a Freshmen uniform, how crazy is that? “Sorry Coach but my ( fill in the blank ) says I should concentrate at (fill in the blank )” And where do these kids get these ideas? You guessed it the “fee for service guys” that’s where! It’s so easy to blame the blog for the recent resignations while ignoring the real problem, distorted expectations. Mike the Clown is a perfect example of what passes for “knowledge and perspectve” in high school sports today where “league” titles aren’t enough, 9 win seasons aren’t enough, an occasional D1 signee isn’t enough and where nothing short of a perfect season will do, that’s not “getting it” that’s ego stroking of the highest order. Every school has it’s issues, even in the San Fernando Valley, but it always comes down to this, coaches who game plan and problem solve for a living haven’t figured out how to deal with the new wave of atcks on their fiefdoms. Surprising to say the least.

  • WHY ABANDONE THE 626

    Guru,
    I believe your service SGV Scouting or whatever it’s name is does just that . Scout high school players for the benefit of colleges looking for talent. In one of your posts you state there are no more Codys , Harwells , McCleskeys and so forth in the SGV . You go on the mention that Crespi alone will have more signees than the entire SGV. Is your job just to get only players who are D-1 worthy or just get players period to the next level regardless of the level ,lower D-1 or below. Players you mentioned or in the mold of a McCarthy or Seymour more or less move on due to their own merrit such as the USC bound lineman from Crespi so really you could read a newspaper or some blogs , or sites as Max Preps and do that job. The bluechippers are an easy sell which is maybe why you love the IE and now moved on to Crespi( Catholic and private) because as you say you will always find players in your scouting them or that area. The tough sell would be to find a home for a Santiago or Rivera or Moore because they do not fit the prototypical D-1 mold but could have great careers at a lower division or not a top D-1 college such as a Fresno St, UTEP , Northern Az and others and get a free education as well . Maybe not great examples but you should know what I mean . Who would go to Penn , Harvard , Yale or even the military academies to pursue a career in pro football. Some do but not the very often . Not football powers per say but what a great education they would receive simply for playing football at a high level but not being blessed with the 6-5 280 frame or that look test many say one needs to have to be considered top notch to even get a look . Also why don’t you service the OC which is a Catholic and private school haven with more D-1 talent than either the SFV or IE ? I didn’t see the 714 or 949 in your list of area codes .

  • sgv scouting

    WHY ABANDONE THE 626: I understand your point and your right – it’s tough to sell a kid like Rivera, Santiago, etc. One of the things that a scout – like myself – gets to do is compare players from different schools and different levels of competition. Plus, when you are scouting, basically, you are helping that school in recruiting. And believe me, I’m not the only one out there scouting for colleges. People like Dick Lascola, who has done this a lot longer than me, Randy Taylor and others produce similiar lists with similar results.

    I don’t try to sell kids, unless I know them very well. That is the job of the head coach at the school the prospect is from. And that is where, college coaches do their homework in regards to character issues, grades, etc. And the player also has to fit for what the school is doing for a scheme point of view on offense and defense. It’s a tough business, but it’s very rewarding. My only point is this, right now there are very, very few players that have elite level talent in the East SGV. Even players that I think are bottom level D-1A to D-1AA (or Lower level FBS to FCS) are hard to find in this area. The reason is simple. Most of the schools in the area playing the Mid-Valley Division and so competition level is called into question.

    The schools such as BA, CO, Damien, South Hills, Glendora in the Sierra will always get a second look because of the league they are in and competition that they face. Schools in the Hacienda League are caught in the middle and that is where college scouts and coaches have to evaluate the players closely. That’s why it’s important that when teams like West Covina play a Loyola, etc, the talent has to show up on tape.

    I know I gave you a long-winded answer, but it is what it is.

    Aaron, several years ago I stopped putting my stuff online because several people were stealing it and passing it off as their own stuff. The colleges that work very closely with me, know my reputation and apprecicate the work I do. And besides, what business is it of yours? What are you the IRS?…

    And in case you are wondering, the FCS and D-2 schools get my stuff.

    So here is the question, I tried like heck to find that 2013 player that is elite and is a difference…they are very tough to find… So I will let you play the role of a scout. tell me who is the most definitive D-1 player in the East SGV? And don’t give me a kid that is 5-6, 180 and runs a 5.4 40. I want difference makers…

  • just sayin’

    I think you all are msiinterpreting who “the scouting gurus” clients are. He he not working with players and their families to get them recruited. The is a BIG problem on that side of the equation. His clients are the colleges. I believe he sells his info to THEM. If he puts it online – they wouldn’t have to buy it now would they? If he’s not accurate in his evaluations – he loses customers and no longer exists. The market will decide

  • Coach Fan

    Jaime

    You asked about a D1 talent I have one for you, Garrett Horine.

    Garrett Horine was an Al Area DB as a Soph @ 6’1″ 195. This year, his third as a two way star he also earned All Area except now he’s 6’4″ 215with speed, hands and not an ounce of fat on the kid. Outstanding work ethic, extremely coachable and solid as they come character team player. What’s not to like?

    He grows into a OLB coming off the edge, stays at Safety or developes into a TE or WR, unlimited versatility. Comes from a family of great athletes so the genes are there.

    Garrett is a player who would have excelled in the Pac 5 without question. Bonita used him all over the place and, unlike so many current players today, did everything he could and played where ever he was needed. A complete stud !

    Jaime the floor is yours.

  • just askin’

    Coach Fan – isn’t Horine in the class of 2012? i thought guru asked for a 2013 stud? Kinda easy to spot them after the fact. Tough to call them before they emerge

  • Coach Fan

    Just askin,

    Great point but unfortunately I mentioned Garrett Horine two years ago.

    Here’s one for you the Freshmen QB from Chino Hills might be the best QB coming out of this area in quite some time. Some have said he’sone of the Thropay brother but in my mind this kid has huge potential.

    Hope that helps.

    Aram just wanted to mention that after asking the same question on two different blogs *yours and Fred’s noone has answered the question.

    “Which recently resigned coach was the victim of a parent stalker or blog lynching?”

    Maybe the answer is obvious, NONE !

  • Parent

    sgv scout: I find your arrogance, and I’m right you’re wrong attitude throughly nauseating. I doubt colleges pay you a dime but if they do so be it. I think the high school landscape would be nicer without hyenas like yourself lurking around the schools probably trying to chat up the cheerleaders. You must think somebody has use for you but I think it is clear you have few if any fans on this blog. What I don’t understand is why you bother to use this blog at all to spout your opinions. You must be somekind of masochist

  • X’s and O’s

    sgv scouting,

    You said the following:
    “And the player also has to fit for what the school is doing for a scheme point of view on offense and defense.”

    This reason is why I think high school coaches have it (in several aspects) much tougher than college coaches. While college coaches can recruit guys to fit their system. High school coaches must work their schemes around the skills of their players

  • Coaches Coach

    SGV Scouting, you further confirm what is already fact on this blog and that is that you know absolutely nothing about these coaches and/or the job they perform at a high school. You say, “it’s his job (Coach Gano & all others) to develop players to their highest level (especially at a private catholic school that wants to be successful at the highest level).” Really Jaime? Is that the job description for a high school football coach now? When did it change from Educator, Instructor, & Leader? When did it become Scouting Coordinator for the 120 FBS (ie D1) schools? Is that what Big Lou, Gano, Bogan, and Hagerty are doing at their respective schools? Really? You, sgv scouting, do not know what you are talking about.

    I’ll say it again, a student/athlete at a high school is there to receive an Education. Athletics are extracurricular and are at the discretion of the school district and school administration. You say, “Lack of support from the administration.” Boo-Hoo, Boo-Hoo! There’s no crying in education, Jaime! Go ask the English teacher how much support he/she is getting from the administration or ask the IP coordinator or the Chemistry teacher. They are all in the same boat, Jaime!

    You say, “I can’t tell you how many phone calls I would get from Bogan telling me, Can you believe what they’re “saying?” on (Fred/Aram’s) blog?” Really Jaime? You expect us to believe that a man like Coach Bogan would confide such comments in a little and insignificant excuse of man like your self? And if he did confide in you, then what the hell are you doing throwing him bus? Now you can snitch to your very small resume!

    Let me ask you this question, since D1 seems to be your hard-on, if all else is equal and the high school athlete has offers from Fresno State, Rice, Illinois and Virginia, what School should he/she pick? And don’t give me a qualified response!

    Are we to measure all current and future football players by the Shaun Codys, Donnie McCleskeys, Brigham Harwells, Bryan and Jeremy Paytons of the world…? Clearly the answer is No. Your perspective of student/athlete, of a scholarship, of an education is the reason we have the problems at USC, Auburn, Orgegon, Ohio State, North Carolina, etc., etc., etc. The Mission Statement of these institutions has been blackend by parasites such as yourself. Win at all cost and damm the education and the future of these young men!

    Coaches teach, instruct, and lead.
    Aram and Fred sell newspaper and we all know that. They fan the flames in order to get readers. No readers = No newspapaer = No jobs! Get it?

    But you, Jaime, what do you bring to the table? What do you sell? Nothing!

    You say “you could do what I did two years ago… start working in the San Fernando Valley where the catholic and private schools rule!!!!”

    I ask you…What does the SFV schools Rule? What have they won recently that makes them rule? How many playoff games did Crespi win in 2011? Loyola? Notre Dame? E Cuse Meh? Did John Mack FAIL in 2011? What did you contribute to the Crespi program for them to achieve ruleness? What? What? Crickets…

  • Coaches Coach

    SGV Scouting,

    What was your high school SAT score? ACT? GPA? What D1 school did you attend? What was your major in college? What football position did you play while at that D1 school? Are you applying your Valley College education to your…”eh hem”…profession?

    I think the readers are owed your background and resume! That is if you want any credibility on this blog!

  • sgv scouting

    Coaches Coach – I don’t answer to personal attacks – so all I will say is this, you would make a perfect caller for the Paul Feinbaum show.

  • Aaron

    Honestly if any parents have paid attention over the past couple of years I’m very surprised Roddy Layton doesn’t have a championship or at least better seasons by now. The reason being is not that’s he’s a recruiter but because of how hard he works to get his players to the next level, he consistently has two to three players go DI or DIAA every year. So if we measure how good a coach is on that…why aren’t there more kids at Diamond Ranch?

    I’m serious about that one.

    He’s asking for your resume, I don’t see that as a personal attack. Your linkedin profile tells me nada btw.

  • gano is a joke

    Gano, you are a joke my friend. you are such a crooked coach ( yielding to boosters and personal payoffs such as dinners and cash) Why do you think parents had to email the principle? Because you are crooked as hell. On the field you pretend to be so busy that no one can talk to you. If a parent did confront you, what are you gonna do? play their kid?? Heeeelllll Nahhhh! there is only one way to deal with a jackass such as yourself.
    Make you do what is fair by ensuring that there is some oversight of your program. What did you think, you are super intelligent? superior as a coach? I dont think so.

    You deserve the oversight you oager.

  • SHHS

    Its pretty obvious to all that Little James is just a water boy.

    Education? He has none, Coaching experience? He has none.. Playing experience? He has none… Credentials? he has none…

    Carried the water at South Hills? He did…

    Respect here at South Hills? Never..

    Tribune must keep this clown around for fun times in the office… Boring!

  • Damien Panda

    Gano should have known

    I’m sure that Coach Gano was aware when he took this job that he would be under alot of scrutiny and that parents and principals play an integral part of the sports program. Damien wouldn’t hand over a bundle of
    money for an easy job. Damien has always been a competitor. They pay their coaches well and grant them alot of benefits and the freedom to run their organizations as they see fit.

    What Gano’s comments stem from is a situation from some parents’ uproar. Gano’s coaches promised a group of kids, (quite a few 16 or so) that he would promote them to the Varisity team if they continued to play well and they demonstrated to him that they deserved the opportunity. Well the boys played well ( JV outdid Varsity this year) and Gano couldn’t even find the time to ever sit in on the JV games to see who deserved promotions.

    Lo and behold, one of the JV coaches sons was boosted into Varsity ( because he did a good job of holding the football for a place kicker was the story). That is when the uproar began.

    As soon as the principle and the A.D. heard of this B.S., they demanded he promote the other boys who had been at Damien and played for Damien since freshmen year. Gano had a fit. And Coach Gano and his coaching staff did promote the boys but they treated them like crap. they were not allowed to use the Varsity locker room, they were not allowed to get their Varsity letter, they were some Gano classification of “Between Varsity and JV” He treated them like absolute crap. And his staff followed suit. so funny that many of these so called coaches are pretending to be men of god to hold their coaching positions. They dont act very godlike with some of these kids.

    My son who loved Damien, wont be playing this next year. I had him drop out because of the BS he had to experience at Gano’s and his coaching staffs hands.

    So , when he wonders why he has some oversight of his program, i just want him to know why:

    1) he is unfair
    2) he is arrogant
    3) he doesnt like or accept constructive criticism
    4) he loves the benefits of coaching at Damien.
    5) He is not a very good human being.

    Personally, i wish he would get burnt out and quit because of parents’ comments. My son had to quit because of him. he ruined his football experience. My tuition pays for Gano’s paycheck. My booster money, my football fees ( which are not cheap) So please be my guest and quit Gano, the way my son Did.

  • There’s no crying in football!

    Damien Panda,

    Are you kidding me? Sorry, but your son didn’t quit because of Gano, he quit because he’s a quitter. I have no idea who your son is but I don’t think he’ll be missed next year not playing football at Damien. One less headache Gano will have to worry about. If you son was good enough, he wouldn’t have to have coaches promising him a spot on varsity. His play would have promoted him to a spot on the varsity team. To say that the JV outplayed the varsity just shows how little you know about high school football. The difference between JV and varsity is night and day. If the kids on JV were really that good, they would be playing at the varsity level. My advice to you is to keep little Johnny on the football team and let him fight for a spot on the team because quitting isn’t the Damien way. I am sick of the Damien parents crying because their little boy is getting the playing time that they think he deserves. Your son is getting exactly the amount of playing he deserves you just have to face the fact that he isn’t as good as you think he is. Oh and by the way, I graduated from Damien and I think Gano is doing a fine job at Damien. My boys don’t currently attend Damien but they will be attending in the near future and I hope Gano is still there to coach them.

  • Hey There is no crying in football

    The difference between JV and Varsity is a coaches
    decision. Be it based on having a booster daddy, giving Gano money, or daddies like you sucking on his nuts all day. there is no difference.

  • No crying

    Panda Mom,

    Or how about going over Gano’s head and crying to the principal and the A.D. like a whiny little biotch to have his son put on varsity. How did that work out for you. And then you go and announce it on the blogs. Funniest story I’ve read in a long time. LMFAO!

  • No crying cause im a sissy

    Worked out pretty well no crying sissy.

    good luck to you and your boys

    Hope they are up for the challenge, but i doubt it.

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