Chew on this …

Claremont plays Damien, Chino Hills and Charter Oak in consecutive weeks for the second consecutive season.

Aram’s take: By the way, I’m predicting the Sierra League champ this season will have one loss.

  • AZTEC PRIDE

    Anybody heard of the name JONATHAN AMAYA??? Sunday morning Im eating at RAYS TEPEYAC, on AZUSA AVE, next to Berts motorcycle shop. Well this person sitting next to me has a Nevada Lobos shirt on and I ask him if his son goes there? He replied yes and that hes now playing for the New Orleans Saints at safety. I said wow you must be real proud! I then ask him what high school he went to and he said DIAMOND BAR.
    It goes to show you GOOD PLAYERS can come out of the SGV! By the way the carnitas Burritos at RAYS is the best in the VALLEY!

    I posted this on Fred’s, but I want to ask you ARAM, have you eaten at RAY’S? Good stuff..

  • New York

    Aram,
    Are you suggesting a 13-1 season or a 9-2 season for the Sierra champ?

    Aztec,
    I love Rey’s Tepeyac. I know people will say it does not compare to El Tepeyac, but I have not been to that one yet…

  • Anthony

    Talk about under the radar to the NFL! Good inf AZTEC PRIDE and the food is always good at RAY’S TEPEYAC!!
    From Wikipedia,

    Jonathon Daniel Amaya (born November 25, 1988 in Glendora, California) is an American football safety for the New Orleans Saints of the National Football League. He was signed by the Miami Dolphins as an undrafted free agent in 2010. He played college football at Nevada.
    He was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Dolphins on April 30, 2010, but was cut during training camp and added to the practice squad. On October 30, he was signed to the active roster.[1] He made 10 appearances, recording 15 tackles on special teams.
    On July 28, 2011, he was traded to the New Orleans Saints in the Reggie Bush trade

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka “El Gato Monte”

    The Sierra is wide open. It’s really hard to say who is going to win League. You could see something Crazy if Damien Beats Charter Oak, Charter Oak beats Chino Hills, and Chino Beats Damien. You could see a two way tie for first and the team who losses twice will be in third. Either way, it’s going to nail bitters the whole year. Playoff seeding is oh so important in the inland for sgv teams. You don’t want to be a 2nd or 3rd place Sierra team. You will be playing Vista or Cent in the 1st round. If you are 1st place, you get a winnable first round and then It’s Upland or Rancho. Historically, Chino Hills has been able to have success in the playoffs. However, they don’t want to start losing the Sierra league every year. That’s not good for business.

  • Not So Fast My Friend

    @The Legendary Green pastures aka “El Gato Monte”

    I love your thinking! We’d love to have one of your SGV teams match up with us (Centennial)!

    Charter Oak, Chino Hills, Damien, Amat, it doesn’t matter. Although based on the posts it sounds like a two horse race between CO and CH.

    Before Amat homers get ready to stone me for blasphemy – again based on the info floating around, you’re on your way back, but not yet.

  • DB DAD

    Jon Amaya was a solid player at DBHS. He showed flairs of being a great player, but there were inconsistencies throughout his career at DB. He was a great kid too, and that says a lot of his parents. They raised a true gentleman. I’m glad to hear this story about one of our own making it to the big time. Our boys are working hard and will make some noise this coming season in the Hacienda league.

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka “El Gato Monte”

    Not so fast,
    Amat does not play in inland. I would suspect, if they did, they could possibly get to the Semi’s in the Inland. A normal Amat team beats upland and Rancho. This year’s team would not. But I don’t think Amat could beat Centennial or Vista. You would have to dip back to at least the late 90′s or early 2000′s for that to happen. I say that only because, Loyola, Alemany, and Crespi were all beaten by Inland teams. The Vista turns around and beats JW North by 40 pts. Every game is different, but the Serra did poorly against the Inland powers.

    DB Dad, speaking of DB football. I had the chance to meet Mr Lockett. He is the man at a certain Car Service facility. Nice guy…he brought some talented Boys into the world.

  • Lancer Blue

    When did we start letting the little kids from Division 11 start offering opinions on Big Boy football???

    What does a wild kitten playing teams like Blair HS and Temple City have to offer us at Amat???

    This guy’s team gets 2 Cracker Jack box rings in D11 and now he thinks he can sit with adults???

    Back to the Kids table, Greene P!!! And speak ‘Only’ when spoken to!!!

    Got it??? Good!!!

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka “El Gato Monte”

    Did you know that you are the guy that everyone is talking about. You know the teenage blogger, ruining the blog. One week you are from Charter Oak, then long beach poly, then Bishop Amat. This is Sierra league talk. Try to keep up. Don’t let your ADD get the best of you. Take your meds, drink some juice, then try to get back on here and produce just one legit comment.

  • For Real

    This blog is gone down hill your all a bunch of DBAGS!

  • New York

    So no one got a laugh from my 13-1 or 9-2 remark? Anyone, anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

  • D-Mo

    Understood the question. Aram? Actually I’d like to know if he meant a league loss.

  • Angola Prison

    Aram: I used to love the blog but it has turned into the same old nonsense. It always turns to Div 11 vs Div 1 Amat is terrible blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah . Its the same old blow hards that rip Amat, Monrovia and you and the whole blogging experince. Who cares that Amat is down now and mtown plays in DIV 11 can we all come up with something new, It’s the same guys just ripping whomever and he or she is just changing his or her moniker to egg both sides on and to be honest its grown into cesspool of nothingness. Start deleting the guys with the same IP address who change their moniker. Or I suggest you force people to register their real names before they spew their BS. Any Clown or Coward can -write their nothingness on the blogg. We get it M-town sucks and our championships mean nothing to anyone but M-town fans but enough already.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Angola Prison,

    Sorry man, but none of that’s gonna happen.

    D-Mo,

    Yes, I was referring to one loss in league. Champ goes 4-1 … kinda like 2010. That’s my prediction.

  • Angola Prison

    LOL I knew that before I posted. LOL…. Lets get it POPPING up in here. MTOWN ROCKS THIS BITCH

  • just sayin’

    Green Pastures – your response to Not So Fast was good, but did you know Amat swept Rancho during Amat’s two worst years ever(the 2 yrs after sweeping CO and the two before sweeping WC & DR)? Or that the year before last the tables were turned and Loyola spanked Upland 35-10, Crespi beat Vista Murrietta 45-31 and Alemany feated Oaks Christian (not Inland, but you get the picture). So from year to year things change – as you never fail to point out when it comes to Monrovia and Arcadia, South Hills, Glendora, or San Dimias.

  • Not So Fast My Friend

    The Legendary Green pastures aka “El Gato Monte”:

    I know Amat isn’t in the SGV brother. I just included them because everyone is always ripping them, talking about them in one form of another. I did a little homework on Amat. You guys have some talent, but let’s see how they gel. It’ll be a good season nonetheless.

    I have to agree with Angola Prison. Not all the time but most of the time, a single post will ultimately drill down to Amat bashing and Monrovia hating. Too bad. This is one of the most active blogs I’ve seen (which is why I hang out here), but the discussions have become really narrow and hawkish.

    Anyway, what’s your top 5 games of the upcoming season?

    Mine are:

    Servite vs Rancho (non SGV)
    Amat vs Chino Hills
    Monrovia vs South Hills
    Charter Oak vs Damien
    Chino Hills vs Charter Oak.

  • The Legendary Green Pastures AKA Paka

    Just saying.

    Things do change. Your point is well taken. I am aware Amat did win those games. However, Upland and Rancho were not div 2 teams at that time. Since then they have improved their programs. Rancho and upland are not the end all be all in the Inland. I don’t think that Amat would not have beaten Vista in the last 3 years, and would not have beaten Centennial in the last 5. In the last few years amat has not be able to handle teams that are more athletic than they are. When you talk about the top two teams in the inland and top 4 in the pac 5. I just don’t see it happening. Alemany is more athletic than Amat now, and They can’t beat them.

    As for Monrovia, to consistently compete and beat teams 4-9 division higher than them is a amazing feat regardless of who those team are. It is not the Same as discussing BA beating teams when they were in Div 5 and in a lower Division. For example, If Arroyo beat a Average Walnut team, that would be more impressive than if Bonita beat them. What do you think Arcadia would do Walnut? If this is not the case, then how does Monrovia beat Glendora by More points than Charter Oak does? Then those would point to how Charter Oak blasted South hills and Monrovia lost to them. I would say, one game was league, one game was preseason. I would say that one team had their Senior starting QB, I would say that One team was experimenting with QBs. I would say one team had all their Defensive starters and I would say one team was missing their all American nose guard, against a Running team. Both Defenses gave up roughly the same amount of points. These are not excuses. Monrovia lost the game and South Hills won. However, you still have to factor that one team is D11 and the other is in D2. Year in and year out the D2 should be stronger. Monrovia’s M.O. Is beating upper division schools and winning their division. If you are in a high division, you are there for a reason. You are supposed to be a strong enough program to compete with the schools in your division. Should Glendora or south hills ever lose to a team in D11. Now how many upper division schools separate Monrovia from a South hills or Glendora? You still have all those schools from Div 3-10, the the Wild Cats would beat. What about Chaffey, Don Lugo, or Garey? No one ever talks about that. Monrovians are not hating on anyone because they are in upper division. But everyone is hating on Monrovia because we are in lower Division, but have the capability of beating upper Division schools and we have. If you put Monrovia in the Sierra, we would have to pay our dues. But guess what, we are playing the Sierra bottom teams. If we can win those games, we can at least be proud that we would not come in last in the Sierra. That’s very good. I would say that if you took the bottom four teams in the Sierra league, and put them in the mt baldy league, they would win it, and if you put those same teams in the South East(Ayala, South Hills, Claremont) I am sure they would be in the Semi’s. So, I am not changing my position. If you are in a upper division, You should not be losing to lower Division schools, Especially a school in the 2nd lowest division. Really No D11 team should be beating D2 teams. This is reason why No one can handle Monrovia or San Dimas in the Mid valley. Everyone else does not play and can not beat Upper division schools. This is same reason why BA can’t win in the pac 5 and no team in the sierra except CH can do anything in the Inland. Looking down and hating on Monrovia, does not help your cause. But us looking up and challenging South Hills, Ayala, and St Francis helps ours.

  • http://nicki821@hotmail.com Lancer Blue

    Looks like Greene P and the rest of the Monrovias finally realized where they belong!!! Let that be a lesson to the BULLDOGS!!! The wild kittens understand that D11 or D7 is Not the PAC 5 and they’re happy to be beating up on Blair!!! Send a couple of kids to college, win another ring against bad competition, and be happy!!!

    The kittens know their place at the Kids Table!!!

  • TeachDGame

    First topic of thread those 3 games for Claremont are a murderers row. Best they can hope for is 1-2 during that stretch. I also think based on what I have seen so far and who is returning, their best bet is against Damien.

    Legendary Green Pastures —- some very good points. Agree whole heartedly , teams change from year to year within certain parameters. This year, Amat struggles with both Rancho & Upland. Both of those schools have improved over the last few years across the board in depth of athletes. Vista Murrieta last year was one of the most impressive teams I have seen in years. Standing across from them they looked like a darn Collegiate team. Size across the line and skills up the wazuu and by the Way, in the couple of games I saw Sua Cravens wasnt even the best player out there, he is AWESOME that is not what I am saying (he is absolutely a 5 star guy), in the few games I saw, there were 3-4 of him. I honestly think that team would have put the hurt on Amat last year in the same manner as Servite (shame they got hosed out of a State Championship game because of the ineligible player). I know, I know, Amat is going to say that is Pac 5 football and we see that every day. Nope, last years Vista Team would have challenged any of the top Pac 5 teams. What will they be this year? We will find out.

    As for the D11 to D2, Pac 5 thing, I have now seen both sides of it. The biggest difference I have seen is the depth and breadth of the talent. Monrovias big 5 guys would be significant contributors to any Pac 5 program. Definitely would be just as studly on most any Div 2 team (I even think they are dudes on a Vista Team) and they are stand outs at Damien, Charter Oak, Chino Hills, et all. The difference on the field is the other 6 guys surrounding them. Normally a D11 school like a Monrovia, San Dimas, San Gabriel , Paraclete, Sierra Canyon (although I dont know them at all) is going to have 2 maybe 3 guys who could play at the upper levels (maybe not Pac 5 top 10 Teams) but definitely D2 schools. Unfortunately surrounding them are a bunch of really good athletes who are not upper division material. So YES, as a team they would struggle at big boy football week in and week out as some AMAT honk (or imposters) want to keep on stressing. But their DUDES would NOT, they just dont have enough dudes or second tier players to put 11+ guys on the field. They also tend to lack size across the line on both sides of the ball consistently. Although so has Amat over the years, but they always get coached up and have enough talented guys in the other spots to make it happen (to a certain degree). I think you take 1 game, line up Monrovia this year vs Amat this year and it is a game for sure. Throw out that D11 crud, they definitely compete. Year in and Year out, who knows, and if Monrovia lines up against an AMAT week in and week out, it will have its toll physically. But this kiddie table crud is ridiculous.

  • just sayin’

    Legend In Your Own Mind – “Amat would not have beaten Vista in the last 3 years, and would not have beaten Centennial in the last 5″
    Comparative scores don’t always work, but do create comparisons to show possibilities or probabilities. Power ratings, comparative scores, trends, home and away are pretty much how Vegas sets the initial line and makes their money, yes?
    In 2009 Bishop Amat beat Mater Dei and Mater Dei beat Centennial 31-13. In 2010, when Crespi beat Vista Murrietta, Amat beat Crespi two weeks later. “Would not have” might be strong, don’t you think? In the last 3-5 years they could have, and it wouldn’t be much of a stretch based on numbers and performance.

  • Lancer Blue

    Say what you want but you can’t hide the fact that Monrovia is a D11 team and West Covina is a D 7 team!!! They are Not in the PAC 5!!!

    Just Sayin is 100% correct!!!

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka “El Gato Monte”

    Just saying,

    It’s a catch 22, If Amat is considered to be a Pac 5 upper tier team, then they should be able to beat teams in Div 2. Right? It does not matter if so and so beat so and so. It maters if you beat them. However, in the last 4-5 years Centennial is always in the conversation for the DIV 1 State Championship. How many times have they been there? They also played De la Salle as close as anyone has. In My personal opinion, Centennial, Crenshaw amd Canyon Country always has a better chance of beating De La Salle than Servite, or SM. They bring a Different type of Athletic prowess to the table. It’s a different match up. You can’t out De la Salle, De la Salle, and that’s what private schools try to do. That’s why those games are not even close. Da La Salle has perfected the Catholic private school Discpline style football. Their brand is the best version of football in California right now. But all the knock off versions win, but can be beaten by more athletic teams. Visat has a shot at beating De La Salle this year in open. I hope they send them instead of SM. That is the reason, why Serra league teams struggle with the top inland teams. It’s a different style of ball. I play the little Division game, but really there are only 5 Divisions and 5 levels of Competition according to State Bowl Structure. DIV 1-4 and Small Schools. That’s five. Egos push people to believe that there is 13 levels of separation. Look at other states… they have A, AA, AAA, AAAA, and AAAAA. That’s it. The Separation is not that great gentlemen. Especially when you have So called D11 teams beating So call D2 teams. Good teams can beat other good teams, regardless of Divisions. So yes Amat could beat those teams. In the last five years, I would have to say that Vista and Centennial have been better than Amat.

    I don’t think Any one is claiming Monrovia is Pac5. Who said that? I didn’t. Was that a Freudian Slip. Is that what’s on your mind. We never said that, but I do think Monrovia could beat LB Wilson .

  • Inland power = superior athletes

    09 was one of CC’s 2 worst teams of the past 10 years. While 09 was probably Amats best team of the last several years. I would give Amat the advantage in 09, however, CC crushes Amat in every other year over the past 7-8 years without question. Too many athletes and too much fire power for Amat or any other Serra team to handle over that time frame. That includes a 2 year sweep over Crespi’s 2 best teams in probably forever. Also, I would not be the least bit surprised to see Rancho stick it to Servite this year. This is going to be a down year for Servite and Rancho has more sick athletes then you can count. Many people in the OC have Servite as the 4th place (5-5) team out of the Trinity this year, which should be good news for Amat.

  • Margarita bill

    The Legendary Green pastures aka “El Gato Monte”

    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT……im not going to break down all your jibberish but i have been reading your posts and i have to say your probably the most obnoxious blogger with very little knowledge of football. For one and not knocking Amat but who ever said they were a top tier team. And dont knock STATE CHAMPS i do agree with you on the comparison junk but here’s one anyway that same De la Salle program beat a Bellamarine in DOUBLE overtime as to SM beating them in regulation and SM won by more points then De La Salle won by. And SM put up 42 points on a Bellamarine team that averaged giving up only 11 points per game, which SM scored 21 of those points in the 4th quarter a quarter SM owned all last year. IMO advantage SM. Oh and your whole

    “Egos push people to believe that there is 13 levels of separation. Look at other states… they have A, AA, AAA, AAAA, and AAAAA. That’s it. The Separation is not that great gentlemen. Especially when you have So called D11 teams beating So call D2 teams”.

    well Mantee is in division 7A and so is St Thomas Aquinas the same team that destroyed your De La Salle program i do believe thats more than 5 levels oh and Mantee being ranked number 1 a division 7A team. But like i said before im not going to break down all your jibberish.

    P.S your starting to remind me of the SUPER OBNOXIOUS Amat Bully when he was on here But he never talked down on his team.

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka Paka

    Margerita,

    I have no football knowledge…are you Crazy? I am going to excuse your ignorance, you just got upset because SM came up…ok…

    First, In Florida 7AAAAAAA = Div 1 they count up, we count down. They still only have 7 divisions that half of what we have in California. They also have a different structure of playoffs etc. Ever heard of 5A texas football?

    Second, De la Salle played Bellarmine in week 1 in Norcal. Anything can happen in game one. SM Played Bellarmine in Week 15 and Bellarmine had to travel to Socal. Bellarmine runs the option just like De la Salle, so they are familiar with the game plan on stopping a option team. That’s why when De La Salle, played Bellevue, WA it was hard

    De La Salle is reigning Open Bowl State Champ. I will bet $1000 SM won’t beat De La Salle. You know they will. They have Dominated Socal football the past 4 years. I am mad about that too. So can SM Beat De La Salle?

    Regarding Amat? The Number 1 argument on this thread is whether BA is a lower tier Pac 5 team, a middle of the road Pac 5 team or upper tier Pac 5 team. Which one are they then?

    Sorry nice try.

  • just sayin’

    Except in Florida, the more “A’s” the HIGHER the division. So 7A is actually the second highest division. And Aquiinas has twice the enrollment of DeLaSalle with a similar history – so probably not an unexpected result

  • just sayin’

    BTW, Cat – BA is probably a upper-half/middle-third team bordering on the top quarter – just to be clear

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka Paka

    Just saying. I respect everyone’s opinion. That does not mean I agree. I would say BA is middle tier, borderline lower tier right now. However in the past they were top tier. The Future will based upon the realization that they are not where they are supposed to be or want to be. As soon as everyone over there realizes that, they will make the moves, and get the people there who can make that happen. The Now is always more important than back then or even last year. The next game is more important that the last one. It’s not where you been but or where you are at, it’s where you are going. Cliche’s are always right. Someone mentioned that Servite is headed for a down year, so I am going to take head to that. I am changing my tune. I think the game will be closer than last year.Besides it’s a home game!

  • AMAT 73

    green cat,
    You write that the future of AMAT is in the realization that they are not where they are supposed to or want to be . Pretty profound thinking in that mostly all the AMAT honks pretty much feel that way so no big insight on your part. Second you write as soon as everyone over there realizes that they will make the moves to get the people there that can make that happen . What moves and what people are you speaking of , coaches , players , facilities , what is it you are talking about as far as these moves ???? And how do you suggest AMAT goes about it ???

  • Margarita bill

    The Legendary Green pastures aka Paka

    For one there is actually 8 division in florida not 7 so Mantee is considered d2 along with St thomas aquinas. And whats with the excuses are you saying that Bellamarine got weaker as the season went along? Or was it the traveling from one side of the country to the other get serious my dude. if im not mistaking teams get better as weeks go on right. And your right anything can happen in week one just as well anything can happen any given friday, as you mentioned. But your confusing me now is it any given friday or is it any first week? Another thing enrollment does mean a lot but then in other arguments it means very little. here’s why, you have schools such as West Covina that probably enrolls anywhere from 2500 to 3500 compared to a Loyola that enrolls maybe 1500 students but Loyola hands them their As$e$, ok ok yes their private well how about Mater dei 2000+ students to De la salle 600 students do you see where im going with this in some cases enrollment really doesnt matter you can have 1400 to 1500 average students at BA or SM its what you field and how well coached, no team in the Serra has a larger enrollment then 2000 students but yet is one of the toughest conference in the united states. So what im saying is enrollment is hardly ever a good thing to bring up in arguments these days De La Salle is the face of california with only 600+ students. So throw away the excuses when you lace up its who ever want it more and who ever is more disciplined. IMO De la salle is a more pro type run offense with the far and near package running right at you sort of like the option so you might be right. But SM does it all with an awesome QB which in my opinion is harder to stop then just a wing “T” pitch back run up the middle junk. But dude dont knock a state champ if De la salle would had lined up against SM last year SM would had won by more that 2 td’s IMO. And by far BA is mid to bottom tier in the pac5 they finished 16th out of 29 teams….clearly mid to bottom oh and please dont say the other teams played bumms remember your the top division everyone you play thats not in the pac5 is lower than you, so your record should be better.

  • Not Since 1995

    Regarding Amat…This is really very simple! Amat is Below Average!

    Just look at the facts…
    Fact 1: No CIF Championship. Not Since 1995…! Almost 20 years ago!
    Fact 2: Below .500 record for most the 2000 to 2010 years!
    Fact 3: Cannot win in the division playoffs
    Fact 4: Needs a favorable coin-flip to get into the 2011 playoffs
    Fact 5: There are 29 teams in the PAC 5. Amat finished ranked at 19 out of the 29 teams in 2011. If 14.5 is the “Average” (or 50%), then Amat ended up at only 19 (or Under 35%)…!

    Add up all of these Facts (like it or not) and you get a football program that is Below Average in the PAC 5…!

    Not In 2012 Either…

  • have another Margarita, Bill

    Loyola is not only private – but also all boys. So double that enrollment. Also, if Amat is so “bottom tier” why was it 23-20 against your Smokin’ Cheatin’ Eagles in the 4th quarter. You just got finished saying the Serra League is one of the toughest in the nation – and Amat is the only team to qualify for the playoffs out of the Serra League for the last 4 years. Then you wrote “remember your the top division everyone you play thats not in the pac5 is lower than you, so your record should be better.” BA didn’t lose to anybody on their schedule lower than them.
    Like i said , “have another Margarita, Bill!”

  • DLS Alumni

    If we are going to talk XOs DLS run the veer offense with an highly technical trap blocking scheme. The blocking scheme is based on and and technique that helps minimize the size disavatage they face regularly. DLS gets it share of studs to say the least but the philosphy is to coach they up which is why they have been so good for the last 20 years. They don’t rely on getting that stud but they do plug them right into the correct roles sorrounded by hard working developed players. You Amat fans should regonize the model as it was once one you deployed as well. Unfortunetely for you not only have you not be landing the studs your coaching staff is not getting it done on coaching they up. This will be hard for you to accept as you think you have one of the best staffs in socal but you record doesn’t lie.

  • Makes Sense

    Regarding Amat…This is really very simple! Amat is right where they belong in one of the top 5 Divisions in the COUNTRY!

    Just look at the facts…
    Fact 1: only SIX other schools in the Pac 5 have won D1/Pac 5 titles since Amat has.
    (you want a 6 school division?)
    Fact 2: Amat has beat each of those 6 teams from 2000-2010
    (some multiple times)
    Fact 3: ONLY school to make the playoffs from Serra League the last 4 years
    (where does this put the other schools?)
    Fact 4: defeated Mater Dei in the playoffs
    (they don’t count?)
    Fact 5: earned the right to be in the coin-flip to get into the 2011 playoffs
    (no such thing as “backing in”)
    Fact 6: 32-12 the last 4 yrs. playing a challenging schedule. much improved over the previous 4 seasons
    (like that trend?)

    Lotsa other facts:
    Of the teams ranked “ahead” of Amat last year
    1 Santa Margarita (won first top title EVER)
    2 San Clemente (NEVER won a top title)
    3 Mission Viejo (NEVER won a top title) )
    4 Servite (went 25 years between titles)
    5 St. John Bosco (NEVER won a top title)
    6 Orange Lutheran (ONE top title, no more in sight. Lost to BA last time they played)
    7 Tesoro (NEVER won a top title)
    8 Long Beach Poly (with talent pool SHOULD win every year)
    9 Huntington Beach (NEVER won a top title. Demoted from Pac 5)
    10 Loyola (2 titles since Amats. Amat 29-10-1 vs them all time. 8-4 in their last 12)
    11 Alemany (NEVER won a top title)
    12 Edison (Not Since 1983. Kissed their sister in 95. Demoted from Pac 5)
    13 Mater Dei (not this century. Lost to BA last time they played)
    14 Notre Dame (NEVER won a a top title)
    15 Trabuco Hills (NEVER won a top title)

    Add up all of these Facts (like it or not) and you get a football program that is where they should be … in the PAC 5…!

  • Not Since 1995

    I believe the question was “where in the PAC 5 would you place Amat”?

    We all know Amat already “Participates” but so does Milikan and JSerra…! Like you that does not make them contenders or even competitive, right…? Just the FACTS…! Don’t get mad just answer the question honestly…! LMFAO!

    And yet again “Amat Blowhard” tries to convince the SGV that 19th place out of 29 is “just peachee” in the PAC 5…! Dumb A$$ even says Amat “is where they should be…”! LMFAO!

    Amat Blowhard…when will Amat have a “real” chance at competing in the PAC 5…? No really . Tell us when you expect Hags to field a team that will WIN a CIF Championship…! Notice I said Compete…! Not participate in the PAC 5, but compete…! Not In 2012…

    “We play to Win the game” H Edwards

  • The legendary Greenie

    Margarita,

    I did not say that Bellarmine got weaker as the season progressed. I am saying that they caught DLS early in the year. I rather play DLS in week 1 and than in week 15 when the veer is flawless. I think SM is too Big and too slow up front to beat DLS. It’s not just the technique, it’s conditioning, it’s their will. They seem to always make the play. Stanton is a beast, and he carried SM on his back down the stretch in the State title game. SM is great. I am just saying, that DLS makes teams do what they don’t like to do. I see them do this every year. If they played SM, they would probably keep Stanton in the Pocket and make him pass. When he is on the run he is deadly. However, he is not the best Throwing guy in the world. Why do you think he committed Nebraska? If DLS and SM Meet, I picture them shutting down Whalen, and forcing Stanton to pick them apart. You can expect a few int’s and DLS victory by 14 or better. Do you really think SM can Beat De La Salle?

    Amat 73
    As for BA, I’ll just come out and say it. Hags looks like a deer in head lights in those really big games. After watching the Servite game post interview. He had no clue on what they needed to do. He is not a recruiting coach. It’s been almost 20 years since BA has had a All American. Things are getting progressively worse under his leadership. How long will the AD, allow the program to lose? How long has he been there? This season will be the third year BA will lose league, and they are not coming 2nd either. Not winning the extremely Difficult pac 5 div every year is understandable. I get it. But coming in 3rd place in league for 5 years, is a good reason to let a coach go. I am not saying Hags is a bad coach. However there is a level of excellence that teams in your league and Div exhibit. Yeah I am sure he can mustard up a few wins verses Lower Level SGV teams, but don’t you want a guy in there who can get BA back to the Semis or Better? I know everyone has a opinion about BA, but what do you think? Is your coach getting it done. I don’t want to hear about what’s going on at Mater Dei. Their coach has been there, He has the titles, He’s proved he can win it, and he is battling against to get players in OC where all the pac 5 schools are. He also has had the Pac 5 champ or Finalist in his league for a few years. So I ask, are you happy with your coach? Can you handle another 5 years of this under this reign? Sometimes it’s not a good fit. Hags could go to another school and win titles. Maybe he is not the right guy for this school or this level. It’s almost time to seriously consider that. Bishop is a big enough name to draw in some great coaches. If you want to respond to this by talking Monrovia…We can do that, but it still doesn’t change anyone else’s situation. Keep your eye on coach Assante. If he can waltz onto the SGV scene, recruit the Best RB who considers bisho, and beat BA in his first year, that would be the nail in the coffin.

  • SOS

    Strength of Schedule (Cal Preps)

    1. 44.48 Bishop Amat

    2. 40.10 St.Paul

    3. 33.80 Glendora

    4. 32.40 Chino Hills

    5. 30.92 St. Francis

    6. 30.77 South Hills

    7. 27.27 Charter Oak

    8. 26.60 Damien

    9. 26.11 Ayala

    10. 23.63 Claremont

    11. 17.42 West Covina

    12. 15.18 La Habra

    13. 13.18 La Mirada

    14. 6.94 Monrovia

  • Makes Sense

    NonSense Since Birth – If “winning” the very Top Division in the BEST Division in California, and one of the best in the NATION is the criteria, I’ll rewrite what was just written and ask again:

    Fact 1: only SIX other schools in the Pac 5 have won D1/Pac 5 titles since Amat has.
    (do you want a 6 school division?)

    I’d sure as hell rather be in the middle of that pack fighting to get to the top than in, lets say, winning the 274th best Division. Yes – the Mid Valley is the TWO-HUNDRED SEVENTY FOURTH best Division. For what – a patch? The right to spend $400 on a ring I’ll never wear that only reminds me i won the ONE-THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRD best league in the country and waltzed through 4 games against a buncha other no-names while playing for a school that can’t be found in the Top 1000 high school teams in the National Rankings!

    THAT’S something I can tell my grandkids!

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    SOS has the most to-the-point posts. They crack me up everytime.

  • Not Since 1995

    And there you have it SGV…!

    When all else fails…Amat Blowhard breaks out his Ignorant, Arrogant, and Elitist comments…! As though they belong…LMFAO

    The funny thing is that we now Laugh at them for their Failed Football program…!

    I never see Amat lettermen jackets anymore. Gee…why do you suppose that is?

    Perhaps it’s their continued Failure (errrrr…”middle of the pack” Participation) in the PAC 5…?

    Guess we’ll never know since Amat Blowhard refuses to answer our questions in an honest and candid way! But we all know the truth… And The Truh Hurts…!

    Not In 2012…

  • No One Blows harder…

    …than NS95! What do you mean “The you have it”? “When all else fails”? “Arrogance”?
    I much rather hear a school admit they are “middle of the pack” fighting to get to the top than a school with some bloggers claiming to be legendary, “winning” some division after everyone good gets moved out, predictions of running the table, 15-0, a State Bowl bid and a bunch of “offers” That haven’t panned out quite yet!
    NonSense – keep blowing!

  • football fan

    I keep reading Monrovia fans stating that South Hills beat them because their All American McCarthy did not play against South Hills and they were experimenting with quarterbacks but I have added the pictures from Maxpreps and the first 58 pictures are of McCarthy and he played the whole game, I was there. Also South Hills played with backup quarterback Sheehan instead of the starter Hernandez because of injuries. I wonder if these fans really believe McCarthy did not play or will they go to any lengths to try to win an argument??? I’m not a Bishop Amat fan but they are the best the SGV has to offer. My son plays for South Hills and I know they don’t belong with Bishop Amat so why try to argue that point like other schools do. They will play good and hard this year but we all know they should not be in division 2 but they will take their lumps and get tougher for it. If Charter Oak, Chino Hills beat Bishop Amat than they can argue but for now Amat is the best SGV team.

    http://www.maxpreps.com/local/team/photo/full_size.aspx?schoolid=1357199f-eaea-47f1-ae4e-58b7f6bf2c6d&ssid=f28cd02d-9746-48e9-a74b-fffef375b19a&photogalleryid=1112b553-7f08-4151-9466-c25c618905c3#photoid=027df21b-906a-45e6-ab94-26f0f76c6224

  • The Real Murderer’s Row

    Bishop Amat
    Oct 12 Alemany (55.1)
    Oct 19 Crespi (38.4)
    Oct 26 Loyola (46.9)
    Nov 2 Notre Dame (59.2)

    St. Paul
    Aug 31 Mater Dei (55.5)
    Sept 7 La Habra (30.8)
    Sept 21 Amat (43.6)
    Sept 28 Servite (55.2)

    Glendora
    Oct 12 Upland (60.5)
    Oct 18 Rancho Cuc (65.9)
    Oct 26 Etiwanda (40.0)
    Nov 2 Los Osos (30.3)

    Chino Hills
    Aug 31 Amat (43.6)
    Sept 7 Tesoro (51.5)
    Sept14 West Cov (40.9)
    Sept21 Great Oak (31.5)

  • I am legend…Greenie

    3. 33.80 Glendora the Cats Beat them before, switched for better game
    6. 30.77 South Hills The Cats have Beat them before and playing them again
    5. 30.92 St. Francis Playing them this year
    9. 26.11 Ayala Playing them this year

    Not Bad for a D11 team. Not once have mtowners denied who or what we are. We Just win our games, try to get kids into schools. We feel that’s great.

    Others are the one’s who say it’s ok to lose, as long as it’s in the top divisions. Some say it’s ok If you are top producing next level guys on teams who have the toughest Strength of schedule. Some have said it’s ok to lose in league, as long as the other teams are good. Some have said they would rather go another 20 years with out a title, or serious playoff appearance, as long as your teams are in the top divisions. I never said none of that, and I don’t agree.

    You see the same film that got Bryce Bobo a offer to Colorado, is the the same film, that got George Frazier a offer from Colorado.

    6. 30.77 South Hills
    3. 33.80 Glendora

    With me there is always a angle. It’s only because I look for them. Others, believe the hype, and look at things the way 98% of people do. If College Coaches thought you like some bloggers, they would miss out on all of the talent that lies in the Lower Divisions. They respect the 6.94 D11 Championships…They were not too impressed with 44.48 struggling team. The fact that Ellis McCarthy and Kevon Seymour played in the SGV brought light to people outside and legitimized SGV. If you wanted to know about the top player in State, you had to check the Tribune, and there you could see everyone else. One kid. His name was in your mouths in all your football conversations, when you were trying to stamp your area. What will the one of the two headline articles when DEC rolls around. Monrovia vs Sierra Canyon in the “Mid Valley” Championship. Sierra Canyon is already ranked 56th, and they are going to be ranked even Higher if they are 13-0 coming into that game. There will be like 8 or 9 D1 guys playing in that game…It’s going to be on FOX sport west internet again…it’s going to be wonderful. What will you be doing DEC and FEB?

    Wear your own shame…

  • I am legend…Greenie

    Ellis played the first series…he tried to go but couldn’t he did not play the next few games…They took all their pictures then.

  • Lancer Blue

    @football fan

    You had me until you said Amat is the best the SGV has to offer!!!

    Get your head out off your Husky azz. You don’t have to kiss our azzez anymore dude!!! We have sucked for the last 15 years. It’s just that our alumni and administration don’t know it yet!!! They’re so freaken old they still think its 1990!!! We can’t even be compared to Charter Oak or Chino Hills!!! Those programs have been and will continue to be successful!!! We just blame everyone else like Penn State!!!

  • SGV FOOTBALL

    The Real Murderer’s Row,

    I can tell your a not a CO fan. Why???

    Because you left CO out of the schedule for BA and CO. CO has a power rating of 50 on Calpreps!!!

    You could have strengthened your argument with just adding CO but you didn’t.

    Ceee-Ohhh

    PS Calpreps has CO going 10-0 into playoffs.

  • realityczech

    You really are a Legend in Your Own Mind – McCarthy “legitimized the SGV”. Hilarious. The past 10 yrs Amat has had starters in the SEC (Ole Miss and Florida – remember the National Champions!) Big 12 (2 players, a 4 yr starter at Kansas), Pac 12 (4 yr starter at Cal, Arizona, 4 players at UCLA with multiple starters), Mt West (multiple starters at San Diego St, one in NFL), Utah (before they were Pac 12, but for Urban Meyer nonetheless). You’re delusional.
    Maybe they stopped by that little school in the foothills and discoved Ellis as an afterthought after being so used to stopping by Amat for so many years! You can send your thoughts later. You can also thank those Colorado offers to Eric Bieniemy (Amat grad) who always stops by the hallowed halls first to say hi to one of his former coaches – Steve Hagerty!

  • face your fears

    Lancer???Blue – how much does someone have to suck to continually lose to someone who “sucks”. If Amat has “sucked for the last 15 years – why have they won 25+ games against the SGVs best, including sweeping Charter Oak when they were the preseason #1 team, Glendora, Diamond Ranch, Muir, St Francis, St Paul and spanking the West Covina Bulldogs in back to back years, They only lost once during that time and it was to Damien and Ian Johnson? The real truth is if Amat sucks so bad the valley must suck that much worse. Is that what you’re afraid of? You must really have your head up your own azzz!!!

  • Anonymous

    Man i didnt know Amat had so many players playing and starting on the D1 level. I dont know i must of been sleep or something because i dont think you can name 3 starters out of Amat that starts on a D1 team in the last 3 years that didnt attend a jc. And again Amat you only have history which is going to be completely irrelevant after this year either to St. Paul CO or CH. Thats what i love about this year now BA gotta put up or all you followers thats not actually BA fans but love to pump up that mid level pac5 team will def either shut up or go running back to your team. But BA real fans will still have their respect even though their team is done being fredj and some of the valley people king.

    And come on again you guys come with the strength of Schedule junk. GET OVER IT BA had a high SOS last year but the results showed that IT WAS TO STRONG believe me to much is to much BA sets themselves up for FAILURE every year and brags about how they lost and why they lost, or my favorite for 3 quarters we gave them a game even though the score showed a complete blow out i thought it was 4qtrs in football. And please dont start with the we play tough teams to challenge ourselves crap or it gets us ready for league i got news for you BA THAT DOESNT WORK well at least not for you guys in the Last four years your barely .500 7-7 with 1 league title. I have to end though with saying i only turned on BA because of all the history crap and BS stats that wont help your team on the field. BA sets themselves up for FAILURE every year and those kids that won championships in whatever division it is they did what they team and coach set out to do they can tell their kids they won a high school championship i dont think the parents from BA will be able to say the same…

  • New York

    How about one of your brainiacs who simply post SOS dig a little deeper and post the strength of wins. I think that is a far more relevant statistic.

    I am a Monrovia homer and don’t think that statistic will help our cause any, but I do think it will change your simpleton list a bit.

    Create your own power rating by taking the sumtotals of each teams strength of wins. Let’s see where that list comes out. I have a feeling Charter Oak would be pretty high on that list from last year and Glendora would be pretty low.

  • IBM LapTop

    @Amat Honks

    What to happened to us? We use to run this shiat!

    Now we have Apple, Dell, HP, and even Lenovo kicking our shiat!

    Remember when we Were great? Those Were some great days! We Use to rule the world.

    But NOW nobody wants to be us! When was the last time you saw an IBM Lap Top? Exactly! You see what I mean? I haven’t seeing an Amat letterman jacket either!

    Way Back Then…we Use To Be great! Not In 2012…

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    IBM Lap Top,

    Lenovo basically IS an IBM lap top.

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka Paka

    New York,

    Since everyone has continuously pounded Monrovia with Calpreps and maxpreps Stats all day…SOS…Now according to my angle, from where I am sitting, it looks like those exact same sites Help Proves New York’s point.

    Loyola is Ranked 27th in State

    Alemany is Ranked 32nd in state

    Charter Oak Ranked 39th in State

    Notre Dame is Ranked 51st in State

    West Covina Ranked 52th in State

    Notre Dame is Ranked in State

    Sierra Canyon is Ranked 56th in State

    Bishop Amat is Ranked 57th in state

    Crespi is Ranked 69th in state

    St Francis is Ranked 84th in State

    Chino Hills is Ranked 108 in State

    Damien is Ranked 118 in Stat

    St Paul is Ranked 131 in State

    Paraclete is ranked 133 in state

    Monrovia is Ranked 159

    If Monrovia 3 peats in the Midvalley they will have to beat a team which is ranked higher than Bishop Amat according to the same sites you use to chastise Monrovia. So Really, According to New York, it’s not who you play it’s who you beat, and will add it’s also important to factor in the implications the victory has on your season. So playing in the inland and pac 5 overall is tougher than the midvalley. The Serra and Sierra leagues are tougher than the Rio Hondo. I get it. However, Monrovia beating a Sierra Canyon for a CIF title is Huge, because Sierra would be ranked higher than all of the teams in the SGV except Charter Oak. So preseason wins are good for the ego, but playoff wins and CIF title wins are the most important. Now if Charter Oak and South Hills were in a beefed up Hacienda and Southeast, a CIF championship win over West Covina would be bigger than any win posted since winning the Southeast Title. That’s according to the rankings posted.

    So we can continue to use calpreps and maxpreps. It’s fine with me.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Do you guys REALLY think Maxpreps or Calpreps have ever seen Monrovia or Amat or CO or West Covina play?

    These are computer-generated power rankings based on strength of schedule, and the strength of schedule part has to be based solely on opponents’ won-loss records. It’s OK to use them as just ONE part of your arsenal when trying to analyze the teams, but they are far from the entire equation.

    I would advise against putting all your stock in them.

  • by the same token

    Legend in Your Own Mind – the difference, is in order for Amat to win they’d probably have to play 4 teams higher than anyone on that list. And Charter Oak or Chino Hills would probably have to play 2 or 3 of teams higher than Sierra Canyon – thus raising both of their SOS/Rankings accordingly.

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka Paka

    Aram, That’s why I ask… people do you still want to use maxpreps/Calpreps ? I have to use what others use to validate their winning or losing ways. I have seen all the teams, and I have no issue’s and trust the Tribune top 25…go back and check my post…July 16th

    ” Green pastures aka “El Gato Monte” said:

    Being a blogger Vet,

    This is a Great ranking list! I love where the Green Cats are place…it leaves room for upward mobility. Mtown played well, but did not light it up. They lost to Wesco in the SGV shootout, and lost to Upland in the Bonita shoot out. They didn’t look as crisp as I would like. However, the hogs ended the summer winning a lineman challenge. That was huge for their confidence….”

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka Paka

    By the same token,

    Very Valid Point… that’s what the data says. Now Keep going with it. So do you think that the programs you are speaking about are have maxed out their Performance in their divisions, or do they have a chance to beat those teams in the near or distant Future. Basically do you think any of the other sierra league team has a shot at winning the inland in the next 5 years(Chino Hills could do it)? What about Glendora in the Baseline? Do you think that Bishop Amat Has a shot at winning the Pac 5 in the next 5-20 years? Can they get to next level? I know it’s easy to move up when you are in the Mid Valley. But, this is a serious question to football heads out there.

  • New York

    Token,
    If a local team won the Inland, or Division 2, or Amat won Pac-5, I think everyone at Monrovia would congratulate that team as the undisputed #1 local team. I can’t wait to see that happen.

  • Joe Amat

    If you’ve played the home game long enough, you know I avoid predictions and conjecture, but like to al with facts…what has actually happened or what is presently happening…not what might happen down the line or what I’d like to believe.

    My esteemed friends from Monrovia (and I mean that sincerely to you two) have asked a couple questions that I was interested in, so I thought I’d give them a look. New York wanted to investigate Strength of Schedule as pertains to wins – not just who you played and G reen Pastures was looking for a “State of Amat Address” of sorts.

    First, the SOS question directly attackes the premise of playing in a tougher division and it doesn’t really matter if you play tougher teams and lose – it only matters who who you beat. True, to a point. However if you play more teams that are highly ranked week after week, it increases the odds someone will get the best of you some Friday night. At least much more than if you play a random quality opponent now and then.

    So let’s take a look at regular season 2011 wins. I chose to look at 3 teams. The downtrodden Bishop Amat Lancers, the dominant Charter Oak Chargers, and the State Bowl Bound Monrovia Wildcats. I’ll let you decide if it says anything, means nothing, or falls in the category of “Be careful what you ask for, you might get it”

    Amat
    Garfield: 18.1, La Mirada: 26.5, Damien: 34.7, Cathedral: 13.4, Venice: 33.0, and Crespi: 40.9
    For a total of 166.6 and an average ranking of 27.77

    Charter Oak
    CH: 35.8, Damien: 34.7, Claremont: 16.5, Ayala: 18.9, South Hills : 17.1, Santa Fe : 25.6, Glendora: 21.0, 23.6
    For a total of 193.2 and an average of 19.32 for the teams they beat.

    Even by my math, Amat’s “strength of wins”, in what has often been described here as a weak schedule, at 27.77 is higher than Charter Oaks 19.32 in their step up into the “toughest division”(if you believe what you read in this blog) Again – don’t let facts get in the way with want you want to believe.

    Then there is…

    Monrovia
    Glendora: 23.6, Paramount :12.9,La Canada :-10.1, Blair: -37.4, San Marino:-6.1, Temple City:-16.8, South Pas:1.6
    For a total of -32.3 an an average of -4.6 for the teams they beat during the regular season. Yes, that’s a MINUS 4.6 or NEGATIVE 4.6 for the teams on their schedule.
    Of course, they did have to get past the juggernaughts in the MidValley division playoffs likePomona: 10.3 Whittier Christian: 10.7 Covina: 23.6 and the powerful San Gabriel Matadores: 14.3. You can do that math for yourself and evaluate accomplishments as you will.

    Now, Green Pastures had asked what really has gone on during the Hagerty Era and if it’s enough

    32-12 in his 4 years.
    Only team to qualify for the Serra League Playoffs in each of his seasons
    Best Serra League record over the past 4 seasons
    Played for the League Championship on last day of the season vs in 2008 Vs undefeated #1 in Nation Notre Dame
    2009 Serra League Champions (5th Best Lleague in Country)
    Undefeated and played for the League Championship on last day of the season vs in 2010 vs undefeated Alemany
    Beat Orange Lutheran (in a year they were Trinity League Champions)
    #1 in country LB Poly needed a last minute miracle 4th down TD for their playoff win on way to CIF title
    Beat Mater Dei and USC bound QB & WR in the playoffs (in a year they beat Centennial)
    Beat St Bonaventure at a time they were #3 in State, #17 in the country,& back-to-back State Champs (“deer in the headlights?”)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlPmIjEoOM8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
    Multiple League wins vs Loyola, Notre Dame, and Crespi
    Remember this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHqtyflekc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
    (“deer in the headlights?”)
    Swept Diamond Ranch (Southeastern Finalist both those years)
    Swept West Covina our newly annointed Eastside Power
    Swept Damien…twice
    Swept Dominguez (Western Division SemiFinalist)
    Swept Venice (who was #4 in City Section)
    Other all-important Private School Non-League wins (and they matter)
    over Alemany, St Francis, Cathedral, and Chaminade and St Paul
    As important as any of that the players have developed a tremendous amount of pride and disply the type of character expected of a Lancer. If not, they know where the exit gates to the hallowed halls are located.

    It reminds me of the quote (and I don’t know who to attribute it to) that should maybe guide all of us.

    “I am not what I ought to be, Not what I want to be, Not what I am going to be, But I am thankful thatI am better than I used to be.”

  • AyalaBulldogFan

    Nice post Joe, nice post.

    BTW I’m NOT an Amat fan. Not a hater, but not a fan either.

    On the SOS note… Mark Twain (who attributed this quote to a British Prime Minister by the name of Benjamin Disraeli – though that quote has never been found in any of his works so it’s up for debate but I digress…)”There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

  • Correction

    Numbers are off for Charter Oak. Try these
    Charter Oak
    CH: 35.8
    Damien: 34.7
    Claremont: 22.9
    Ayala: 16.5
    South Hills : 18.9
    Santa Fe: 17.1
    Esperanza : 25.6
    Roosevelt : 21.0
    Glendora: 23.6
    For a total of 216.1 and an average of 24.01 for the teams they beat.
    Same premise and result – just a smaller spread

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka Paka

    JOE AMAT,

    VERY GOOD POST!!!
    “So do you think that the programs you are speaking about are have “MAXED OUT THEIR PERFORMANCE” in their divisions, or do they have a chance to beat those teams in the near or distant Future?”…

    I ask this question also…which was above and beyond me trying to prove Monrovia is better than or close to BA or CO. We know you schedule is far more difficult. If Monrovia had those kind of schedules, we would be in trouble until our program gets acclimated to that level. To be Fair, Charter Oak has only been in the inland 2 years, after ripping up the South East. However, Last Years team was one of the best teams CO has ever had, and they were not close to being competitive in the 2nd round. Bishop Has been in D1 forever, and may possibly stay in D1 Forever. Would you be ok with Hags duplicating the lovely resume you provided for the next 5-10 years? I think that is how you could view it. In Monrovia, Maddox has turned the program around, so It let’s us know he can win the division we couldn’t win before, and that leads us to believe that we can move up with this head coach and win. So How do your really feel about Hags, if he is not the problem, then the Talent is the problem. If the talent is not the problem, then the Division is the problem. So which one is it?

    Ayala bulldog Fan-

    GRRRR!!

  • Rosie Glasses

    @Joe Amat

    I am always impressed by your ability to manipulate numbers and present them as facts to the rest of the SGV. According to you Amat is right “Where You Deserve To Be”! Being the PAC 5 punching bag for schools like Lakewood, Tesoro, Servite, Santa Margarita, etc. is just fine with old Lancers like you!

    That’s a pretty Rosie and Impressive resume you present! Which brings me to the next question that Amat Honks can never seem to answer as eloquently or profoundly as you can. Why can’t Amat Win In The PAC 5? Please elaborate with many facts and statistics. We want you to educate us!

    BTW, your quote is direct insult to the Amat Alumni! I happen to believe that you ‘Use To Be Better Than You Are Today’!

    Your 1st Loss is Servite!!! Where do you go from there? You see what I mean?

  • Mean Green Pastures….

    Rosie Glasses,

    Yea numbers can be real deceiving… Lil ol Covina beat West Covina at home. , and took them to OT in both their games. Not one team in the South East could touch West Covina, not even La Mirada(on BA’s Schedule), and they scored 84 pts in the finals. Even if Solomon got hurt vs Covina, they would not have given up 84 points. After really thinking about this, Aram is totally spot on.

    “Do you guys REALLY think Maxpreps or Calpreps have ever seen Monrovia or Amat or CO or West Covina play”

    Classic.

  • Joe Amat

    Rosie,

    It’s really pretty simple. It’s really hard *for anyone* to beat the rest of the field in the Pac5. There is a difference between “can’t” and “haven’t”. That’s why it was pointed out below that (and forgive the cut’n’paste)

    Fact 1: only SIX other schools in the Pac 5 have won D1/Pac 5 titles since Amat has.
    (you want a SIX school division?) answer please?
    Fact 2: Amat has beat each of those 6 teams from 2000-2010
    (some multiple times)

    If you’re not Long Beach Poly it’s hard to go all the way in one of the toughest divisions in the country. That’s why good programs like below have these results:
    1 Santa Margarita (won first top title EVER)
    2 San Clemente (NEVER won a top title)
    3 Mission Viejo (NEVER won a top title) )
    4 Servite (went 25 years between titles)
    5 St. John Bosco (NEVER won a top title)
    6 Orange Lutheran (ONE top title, no more in sight. Lost to BA last time they played)
    7 Tesoro (NEVER won a top title)
    8 Long Beach Poly (with talent pool SHOULD win every year)
    9 Huntington Beach (NEVER won a top title. Demoted from Pac 5)
    10 Loyola (2 titles since Amats. Amat 29-10-1 vs them all time. 8-4 in their last 12)
    11 Alemany (NEVER won a top title)
    12 Edison (Not Since 1983. Kissed their sister in 95. Demoted from Pac 5)
    13 Mater Dei (not this century. Lost to BA last time they played)
    14 Notre Dame (NEVER won a a top title)
    15 Trabuco Hills (NEVER won a top title)

    It’s not a God-given right to win a championship. It should be something you have to work for – not something you get from “moving down” or from attrition when all the schools who used to beat you moved up. I.m good with that – not sure the latter is really “winnning” anyway.

    I can attest I’ve never read any idiots on any Orange County blog saying Edison is no good because they haven’t won the big game since NINETEEN EIGHTY!!! Now I don’t know if that makes the OC fans more saavy or knowledgable – but El Dorado fans were never claiming superiority pver Servite because the Friars went 25 years between titles. Mayfair isn’t saying they’re better than St John Bosco because the Braves have NEVER won a title. Maybe that says more about the Fish Bowl than it does the OC.

    And as one of those alums you speak of, I know damn well we are better in the last 4 yrs than the 4 years previous. When were we great? Everyone talks about the 80s. We went from 72-92 between championships. I the 80s we had a tremendous string of 2nd round exits. I don’t think i heard many in the valley complaining then. Why? Because noone else in the valley was winninng watered down championships then, giving them some false sense of “superiority” – that’s why

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka Paka

    Joe Great Post!!!

    Now let’s build on that…How many of those teams have been in Div 1 as long a Poly, Loyola,Servite,Bishop Amat? Which divisions were they in prior to making the jump into the Pac 5…?Also let the fans know if any of these teams have been to the semis or finals in the last ten years… Let’s start with the Serra league’s Crespi which is not on your list.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Joe Amat,

    Great points! You better hold on to them for two years and bring them up when talk of giving Amat some divisional relief surfaces.

    Of course, that’s assuming the Lancers don’t do something in the playoffs this year or next.

  • Anonymous

    Joe Amat

    When you post NEVER won a top title does that mean but they did win a title in oh lets say D3 or so? And does a lower title has less meaning then a top title? Oh and when did it become considered a top title? And to help out some of those teams well San Clemente was just in a title game when is the last time Amat was able to say they made it to the dance? Edison even though they were demoted from the pac5 didnt they recently make the dance also? in my eyes i would be thanking teams like Alemany and ND for having storied programs to keep the Serra in the pac5 oh and they both came from lower divisions. Then you mention Servite why mention a recent champ? Oh and its funny how you put the teams amat beat last but not put the WHOOPINGS amats been getting from the other teams like Servite Tesoro SM and etc…..if your going to do a list do it right SM just won, when was the last time Amat won? And why not post your record of wins and losses against MD and LBP. If your going to play the game play it fair amat is still on the down side of this one to. And a 6 team league no but with BA cut out and teams like Upland, CC, you know the inland powers and or Oak Christians Westlake oh wait their there now so Amat will finish yet again either in the bottom percentage or just at the bottom with teams that came from a lower division finishing ahead of them and making a deeper run then them since 1995.

    The only reason why your still there is because of Alemany ND and Loyola being in the Serra Edison just got caught in a bad league im guessing. But when they take individual teams and replace them in different leagues im pretty sure Amat will be GONE

  • Not Since 1995

    Joe Amat

    Clap…Clap…Clap…! I am standing up while clapping for this diatribe! LMFAO

    This guy is pretty good at bobing and weaving. Isn’t he SGV…?

    This is the level of Arrogance, Ignorance and Elitism that you get from the true old timers at Bishop Amat! WE ARE BETTER THAN YOU…! DAMM IT…! This is who The Amat Lancers really are…!

    Yet the FACT remains that Amat has not, cannot and very likely will not WIN the PAC 5 division…!

    Joe Amat your staunch, mighty, and brave verbal diarrhea doesn’t work anymore, Joe Amat…! The SGV is no longer impressed by your historical chronicals. We have created our own history books, our own hallowed halls of success in the here and now…!

    2012 – This is the here and now…! And in the Here and Now you are getting your a$$ handed to you by teams in the PAC 5 that are Far Far Superior to Amat! Perhaps El Dorado and La Habra don’t say anything against Edison, Bosco or Servite because those PAC 5 schools don’t act like a$$es in their respective ‘Fish Bowls’! Ever thought about that one, Joe Amat…?

    But I digressed….You don’t have an honest answer for ‘Why Amat Can’t Win”! Do you…?

    “It’s Hard…!”

    That’s it…that’s your answer…! You know how weak that makes you sound…! LMFAO at you, Joe Amat…!

    The SGV Fish Bowl has been empowered by the success of teams like Charter Oak, West Covina, Monrovia, San Dimas, amongst others that now (in 2012) look at Amat not for your Far Far Superiority but to chastise and laugh at you for your continued Failure in the PAC 5!

    ‘You Play To Win The Game’ H Edward.
    Surely you are fimiar with this quote. Why else would you play, right Joe Amat?

    Unless you’re just playing to ‘Participate’ in the game. Is that it?

    You Use To Be Great…! Now you’re just hoping to survive the La Mirada and St Paul games…! What a Shame…!

    I stand by my prediction that Amat in 2012 will finish with a record of 2 – 8…!

  • The Legendary Green pastures aka Paka

    It’s interesting that Aram Brings up the realignment of leagues.

    I think CIF southern Section is getting tired of the Northern California teams coming down and spanking Our Open Bowl representative. SM had one of the lone wins on the top levels in the past years. My guess is that all of the Divisions are really good at the top, but very average everywhere else. This has become a problem. The same teams are winning or in the finals every year. The leagues are the root of the problem. Get the teams in the right leagues, then Divisions, then you will have true representatives of who is the best on what level. As long as the Mt Baldy is in a higher division than the Hacienda, and the Moore league except Poly, is in the Pac 5, we are going to have arguments like this all day. Monrovia has had a free ride to top four seed in the Rio Hondo for the past 7 years. That’s terrible. It’s totally unfair to the programs who rightfully should have a shot at winning league. Whether you are on the either end of the spectrum, you must admit the leagues are all messed up, creating lopsided playoff results, and teams scoring 40-80 pts in playoff games and finals.

  • LancerBlue

    We need to realize that we don’t belong in the PAC 5 anymore!!!

    Joe Amat, say hello to the WESTERN DIVISION in 2014!!!

    Watered down? Yes!!! Can we win? Yes!!!

    Nuff said…

  • y’all don’t get it. where is Mike the Clone?

    I laugh when i read about the SGV “empowered by the success of teams like Charter Oak, West Covina, Monrovia, and San Dimas”. What success is that? Charter Oak only won when Orange County teams like El Dorado, Newport Harbor, and Trabuco Hills moved out of theree division. West Covina only won when Charter Oak got moved out and Monrovia or San Dimas only won when they didn’t have to face the Pioneer, Northern, Frontier, and Los Padres Leagues anymore. It wasn’t because they got better – the road was easier and you were tricked into thinking that was success. Amat in the Westeern Division would be a joke. Notre Dame killed Serra this year and Amat beat St Paul the year St Paul won it and Amat sucked!

  • Greenie

    Yall don’t get it!

    You are correct. However, Teams like Mira Costa won Div 10 then moved on in 2000 to win back to back in Division 2. Crespi went from D10 to pac 5. The Los Padres League teams should have never been in Div 10, they jumped straight to D4 and even if they did belong…after Paso Robles won it like 4 out of 5 years, Monrovia had to admit they were not ready. Teams grow, then they Move up! There is no shame in that. Monrovia switched coaches, lost in the finals, then won it twice, and should win it again. They possibly can win it 2 more times if left in the Division. It’s time to move up, and start the process over again. Cif left Monrovia in the division until they won it. The Same with West Covina if they win 3 years in a row. Then they two should be considered for promotion. You can’t expect every team in in their division forever.

  • Stayin’ Put

    Greenie – unless you’re at the top

  • Rosie Glasses

    @y’all Lancers

    So according to your idiotic logic….we have to wait for the rest of the PAC 5 teams to be moved out in order for Amat to win. Right?

    Do you think maybe JSerra, Cabrillo, Milikan, and Wilson could stay? You should be able to beat them. Right?

    Yay….we solved Amat’s failures in the PAC 5!!!

    Just askin’

  • New York

    I had to some work myself. I think my take on things gets to the heart of who has proven themselves and to waht extent on the field.

    Adding together the calpreps ratings for each teams victories produces 2011 season totals of:
    Charter Oak: 251.5 with a high opponent victory of 35.8
    St. Francis: 204.6 with a high opponent victory of 33
    West Covina: 199.2 with a high opponent victory of 26.7
    Bishop Amat: 166.5 with a high opponent victory of 40.8
    St. Paul: 99.7 with a high opponent victory of 26.5
    Monrovia: 39.2 with a high opponent victory of 23.6

    Replacing negative victory strengths with scores of a 0 instead. Monrovia is pulled down a ton by the negative rating of several league opponents.
    Charter Oak: 251.5 with a high opponent victory of 35.8
    St. Francis: 204.6 with a high opponent victory of 33
    West Covina: 200.1 with a high opponent victory of 26.7
    Bishop Amat: 166.5 with a high opponent victory of 40.8
    Monrovia: 103.8 with a high opponent victory of 23.6
    St. Paul: 102.3 with a high opponent victory of 26.5

    There is a philosophical question here: How do we evaluate the quality of a season? Is it better to have Charter Oaks 10 victories for 251.5 points or is better to have Bishop Amats six victories for 166.5 points?
    Final Calpreps rating for each team:
    Bishop Amat 43.1
    Charter Oak 48
    West Covina 43.7
    St. Francis 39.1
    St. Paul 32.7
    Monrovia 30.4
    In terms of evaluating what each of these teams demonstrated on the field, I think it is worth noting the actual accomplishments by listing the highest rated opponents that each team actually beat: Bishop Amat 40.8, Charter Oak — 35.8, St Francis 33, West Covina 26.7, St. Paul 23.6, Monrovia 23.6

    What do these numbers actually say?
    Amat did not beat any teams rated as highly as Charter Oak or West Covina.
    Charter Oak did not beat any teams rated as highly as BA, WC of St Francis.
    St. Francis did not beat any teams rated as highly as BA, CO or WC.
    West Covina did not beat any team rated as highly as any of these other teams.
    Monrovia did not beat any team rated as highly as any of these other teams.
    St. Paul did not beat any team rated as highly as any of these other teams.

    The on-the-field max score victory creates separation:

    Top: Charter Oak and Amat

    Then St. Francis

    Then West Covina, St. Paul, and Monrovia

  • Green pastures aka “El Gato Monte”

    Nueva York,

    Great Breakdown!

    We should save this formula you presented the SGV, and do this again in Feb. The SGV Teams are playing new schools this season, and with new additions to Pac 5, South East, and Midvalley, it will be interesting to see those numbers. At that point we will have playoff performances, Titles, all area, CIF and more. Then we can take a list of new offers for Soph, and jr, and signings for the seniors. We can get a real good picture of what’s going on.

  • Y’all don’t get it

    Rosie – the logic is we wouldn’t even be having this conversation if Charter Oak, West Covina, and Monrovia were still losing in the playoffs to all the teams that used to kick there asses. Smehow – they think they “got good”

  • Rosie Glasses

    When did Bishop Amat move to Fontucky, Y’all? LOL

    Why is it that Amat Honks get so upset with the facts? Their logic is so funny! LOL

    OK so you think Charter Oak is a watered down program? I’ve looked at Charter Oak’s numbers for the last 8 years and they are very impressive! You can’t deny how they have performed since 2004.

    2 CIF titles – Back to Back in fact!
    A record of 78 – 22 – 2. That’s an 80% winning percentage!
    In the playoffs every year since 1995
    You mentioned El Dorado and Trabuco Hills. So I looked at those years. It turns out that Charter Oak played those schools in the semis or the CIF finals.

    In fact while Charter Oak was losing to El Dorado, Trabuco Hills, and Newport, they put together seasons of
    10 – 2 – 1 in 07
    10 – 4 in 06
    8 – 4 in 05
    8 – 4 in 04
    Total of 36 – 14 – 1

    Bishop Amat in those same glorious championship years went:
    3 – 7 in 07
    5 – 5 in 06
    6 – 4 in 05
    6 – 6 in 04

    For a total of 20 satisfying wins but unfortunately 22 LOSSES! Ooops..!

    I’ll take a look at West Covina’s numbers and let you know how they look in those same years.

    @Y’all, In the meantime, when did Y’All Lancers go to the CIF semis, Finals, or Win a CiF Championship? Can you answer that? Was 2007 or 2002? I can’t find it in your record books!

    When was the last time Bishop Amat played at the big dance? Hello…Crickets…Crickets…!

    Bueller…?

  • y’all don’t get it

    Rosie – you still don’t get it. You’re provin’ my point. CO was rackin up those wins to get to the “semis” against the same teams left in the Southeast after they took the good teams out. Then the next two years they beat up on teams in the regular season with a buncha losin’ recerds. Look it up. And while the Chargers were sportin’ those nice recerds ‘n’ shiny rings – when they faced the Lancers head to head in ’04 & ’05 they lost 28-0 and 34-7 then begged outta the contract.
    Not such a “rosey” picture is it?

  • green pastures…ya’ll will get this!

    Right Now BA does have some saving grace, but being a little over .500 in the last 10 years could be a issue. Especially if they don’t make the playoffs this season or next season, going into the 2014 league Realignment. What ever happens from here on out, will be fresh in CIF’s eyes. These preseason games could be a blessing or a curse, depending on the outcome. Let’s say they beat La Mirada and Culver City, but lose badly to Servite, then lose to 2 inland teams and a western team. If Those teams all have early exits in their divisions, that would look really bad to the CIF selection committee. This is a real possibility. If they win 4-5 games, then all is well, and the SGV could never ever question Amat’s dominance again. Momentum is the key word. How do you bounce back after the Servite game. If they play the Friars close…Then they know they can win the rest of the games. If they lose by 21. That could ruin any confidence the lancers have. Plus no injuries allowed. All SGV eyes are on the Lancers this season. You wanted it you got it!

    Does the Amat Nation Believe they are immune to a demotion?

  • y’all trippin’

    Green pastures – do you believe the ENTIRE Serra is in trouble? Amat is the ONLY team to make the playoffs out of the Serra the last four years. During that time they are 7-7. Is that bad? Guess what – Notre Dame is 7-7 too. maybe they should go? Or worse, Loyola is 6-8. Do you think CIF will ever demote Loyola? How about Crespi? Send them down – again? They have been 4-10 the last four years. So maybe they should ship out the Serra League, who has only been among the top leagues in the country during that time. Is that what you’re suggesting. Give up. It is not happening. Go have another burger with Aram. No matter how hard you try to make it sound like they could. Yes – right now they are immune.

  • Rosie Glasses

    Y’all…

    36 – 14 – 1 sucks? Really? C’mon old man! Now you’re just being stupid. You seem to know a lot about Charter Oak! You’re bitter about the Chargers success. Aren’t you???

    Why don’t you answer my questions about your success? Why can’t Amat WIN???

  • y’all stoopit

    Rosie Palms – read my lips: “28-0″ & “34-7″. During the years you’re bragging about. Bitter?

  • y’all stoopit

    Rosie – and BEGGED out of the contract. Were replaced by Rancho Cucamonga. Swept them. RC wanted no part of a renewal. Replaced with Diamond Ranch. Swept them. Second time was an embarrasment at Ganesha. Weren’t up to it. West Covina wanted a crack. Swept them. No renewal.
    Get the picture?

  • Not Since 1995

    Oh…Sh*t..!

    Amat is a 24 point UNDERDOG against The Servite Black Friars…!

    Wow…that is Hilarious…! This is officially an A$$ Kicking! Worst of all is that you’re going to get your A$$ handed to you at Knifer field…! Damn that’s Humiliating…!

    Can you say –
    New Mexico State v Auburn…? Hell…NMS v Anybody!
    Troy v Ohio State…?

    MrsDoubtFire73…?

  • Rosie Glasses

    Y’all record is better you’re right. 20 and 22 is much better. I just finished on your mom. Say pearl necklace. But why can’t you answer my question???

    WHY CAN’T AMAT WIN???

  • Bet It and Swett It…

    Yes I can confirm…

    SERVITE (-24) against Bishop Amat

    Actually AUBURN is only (-23.5) against NMS!

  • curious

    Lancer Blue….For how much and how often????

  • Rosie Glasses

    Aaawwh… Where did Y’all Lancers go?

    Did the Servite betting line scare you back into 2007???

    And it’s a home game???

    Damn!!!!

  • GP-

    I’ve seen the Lancers Lose close one’s at home, But I have never seen them get blown out at home! This will be new territory for this program.

  • The OC

    Servite is coming into this season highly overrated. They lost a boat load of kids to graduation from last years team and are replacing most of them with young underclassmen. This game will be close all the way to the finish. My prediction is Servite by 3.

  • Rosie Glasses

    Y’all I have some good news for Amat Honks!!!

    I agree with OC in that Servite graduated several key people.

    The good news:
    CalPreps is predicting a Final Score of Servite 28 – Amat 14!!!

    You’ll still get your ass handed to you, but don’t have to leave in 3rd quarter this year!

    There’s always that fantastic burrito truck outside!!! Right???

  • right here

    Rosie Palms – read my lips: “28-0″ & “34-7″. During the years you’re bragging about…and BEGGED out of the contract. Were replaced by Rancho Cucamonga. Swept them. RC wanted no part of a renewal. Replaced with Diamond Ranch. Swept them. Second time was an embarrasment at Ganesha. Weren’t up to it. West Covina wanted a crack. Swept them. No renewal. Bitter? Must suck to suck that bad.
    Get the picture?

  • Coach Verti

    Y’all

    right here is what your mama said this morning when I dumped her saggy ass off at your house, boy!!! Snap biaaaatch!

    Now answer the question – WHY CAN’T AMAT WIN???

    Answer the question!!!

    Or is it that you can’t handle the truth??? The TRUTH HURTS!!!

  • Reading material from below

    Amat wins about as much as most teams in the Pac 5.

    Fact 1: only SIX other schools in the Pac 5 have won D1/Pac 5 titles since Amat has.
    (you want a SIX school division?) answer please?
    Fact 2: Amat has beat each of those 6 teams from 2000-2010
    (some multiple times)

    If you’re not Long Beach Poly it’s hard to go all the way in one of the toughest divisions in the country. That’s why good programs like below have these results:
    1 Santa Margarita (won first top title EVER)
    2 San Clemente (NEVER won a top title)
    3 Mission Viejo (NEVER won a top title) )
    4 Servite (went 25 years between titles)
    5 St. John Bosco (NEVER won a top title)
    6 Orange Lutheran (ONE top title, no more in sight. Lost to BA last time they played)
    7 Tesoro (NEVER won a top title)
    8 Long Beach Poly (with talent pool SHOULD win every year)
    9 Huntington Beach (NEVER won a top title. Demoted from Pac 5)
    10 Loyola (2 titles since Amats. Amat 29-10-1 vs them all time. 8-4 in their last 12)
    11 Alemany (NEVER won a top title)
    12 Edison (Not Since 1983. Kissed their sister in 95. Demoted from Pac 5)
    13 Mater Dei (not this century. Lost to BA last time they played)
    14 Notre Dame (NEVER won a a top title)
    15 Trabuco Hills (NEVER won a top title)
    16. Creapi (Not Since 19EIGHTY6)

    32-12 in his 4 years.
    Only team to qualify for the Serra League Playoffs in each of his seasons
    Best Serra League record over the past 4 seasons
    Played for the League Championship on last day of the season vs in 2008 Vs undefeated #1 in Nation Notre Dame
    2009 Serra League Champions (5th Best Lleague in Country)
    Undefeated and played for the League Championship on last day of the season vs in 2010 vs undefeated Alemany
    Beat Orange Lutheran (in a year they were Trinity League Champions)
    #1 in country LB Poly needed a last minute miracle 4th down TD for their playoff win on way to CIF title
    Beat Mater Dei and USC bound QB & WR in the playoffs (in a year they beat Centennial)
    Beat St Bonaventure at a time they were #3 in State, #17 in the country,& back-to-back State Champs (“deer in the headlights?”)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlPmIjEoOM8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
    Multiple League wins vs Loyola, Notre Dame, and Crespi
    Remember this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHqtyflekc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
    (“deer in the headlights?”)
    Swept Diamond Ranch (Southeastern Finalist both those years)
    Swept West Covina our newly annointed Eastside Power
    Swept Damien…twice
    Swept Dominguez (Western Division SemiFinalist)
    Swept Venice (who was #4 in City Section)
    Other all-important Private School Non-League wins (and they matter)
    over Alemany, St Francis, Cathedral, and Chaminade and St Paul

    What has your team “won” that compares?

  • GP-

    Here are list of teams who have been in the D1 less than 10 years and the new additions…Here is some good reading material too. I think this helps put things into perspective.

    1 Santa Margarita
    2 San Clemente
    3 Mission Viejo
    5 St. John Bosco
    6 Orange Lutheran
    7 Tesoro
    9 Huntington Beach
    11 Alemany
    14 Notre Dame
    15 Trabuco Hills
    16. Crespi

    New teams
    St Bonnies
    El toro
    Calabassas
    Royal
    Semi Valley
    Newbury Park
    Augora

  • GP-

    St John Bosco was a mistake. They have been D1 for a while.

    17 out of 29 teams in the pac 5 have not been D1 for more than 10 years. 58% of pac 5 teams have done more with less time, Let’s Hope Westlake does not got the Pac 5 semis or better, in their first year.

    don’t pass the buck… your history is so great, that people are asking “Why can’t you Win?”. Then someone always post Maxprep/calpreps strength of schedule, and/or the history of D1 football by -Amat L.Blowhard…

  • Joe Amat

    Here’s some more “perspective” for you. Everyone always talks about the teams that are “new” to the Pac 5. Here’s some info on teams in your “list”:

    1 Santa Margarita – were in Amat’s league in the ”90s
    2 San Clemente – in Mater Dei’s D1 league from 1992-1998. No titles then either
    3 Mission Viejo – in Mater Dei’s D1 league from 1992-1998. No titles then either
    5 St. John Bosco – you already pointed out your mistake on that one
    6 Orange Lutheran-nice model for moving up. sustainable?
    7 Tesoro -new school.Flavor or the Month.Just may go the way of Ayala/DRanch/etc.We’ll see
    9 Huntington Beach – have been in Edison and Fountain Valley D1 league as far back as 80s
    11 Alemany was in Amat’s league in the ’90s heres a fun one http://www.thefreelibrary.com/PARENTS+QUESTION+SAFETY+OF+ALEMANY+MOVE.-a083601628
    14 Notre Dame won the above whine-fest to stay out of D1
    15 Trabuco Hills – in Mater Dei’s D1 league from 1992-1998. No titles then either
    16. Crespi won D1 in 86. Stepped down and came back. 4-10 in Amats league since

    Just for “perspective”

  • Joe Amat

    I stand corrected. Sort of? (if I catch myself dpes it count?) Amat began playing SM in football in 99 – but may have been nonleague games for a couple years before they moved into D1. They were in Amats league in other sports or some time before that.

  • Coach Verti

    Blah…Blah…Blah…Amat Lancer! I’m reading and reading but I don’t see Bishop Amat!!!

    WHY CAN’T YOU WIN THE PAC 5???

    Answer the question Joe Amat!!!

  • GP-

    GP-

    Joe

    CIF moved these teams down after Only 4-10 bad years, then the get moved back up and now are doing better than Amat? I don’t get it. How do they start in lower divisions, move up and win. Then other teams can do average at best for 15-20 years and stay in D1. I guess some people get all the breaks.

  • WHY ask WHY???

    Moved down back up and doing better. Are they really?

    1 Santa Margarita – (just won their first.what happens when Welch retires/gets fired?)
    2 San Clemente – (NEVER won a top title)
    3 Mission Viejo – (NEVER won a top title)
    5 St. John Bosco (NEVER won a top title)
    6 Orange Lutheran- (ONE top title, no more in sight. Lost to BA last time they played)
    7 Tesoro -(NEVER won a top title)
    9 Huntington Beach – NEVER won a top title. Demoted from Pac 5)
    11 Alemany (NEVER won a top title)
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/PARENTS+QUESTION+SAFETY+OF+ALEMANY+MOVE.-a083601628
    14 Notre Dame (NEVER won a a top title)
    15 Trabuco Hills (NEVER won a top title)
    16. Crespi (Not Since 19EIGHTY6. 4-10 in Amats league since)

    WHY can’t those teams win?
    WHY can’t Mission Viejo seem to win at the top? Maybe they really don’t belong?
    WHY could Edison not seem to win a championship game since 1980?
    WHY HASN’t Crespi won since 19EIGHTY6 and 1-3 vs Amat since Hagerty
    WHY has Mater Dei not won since 1999. & can’t seem to beat Amat?
    WHY has OLU gotton so bad (way worse than Amat) aince they won?
    WHY have Lakewood, St John Bosco, Alemany, Notre Dame, Huntington Beach, San Clemente, Ttabuco Hills NEVER EVER won even ONCE???

    MOVE ‘EM ALL OUT!!!

  • WHY ask WHY?

    Here are the Pac 5 teams who have won championship games since Amat’s last championship in 1995

    Santa Margarita 2011 – first EVER
    Servite 2010, 2009 – 25 years since the last one
    Long Beach Poly 2008 and a buncha other times – as they should.
    OLU 2006 – sucked ever since. BA beat them in 08
    Loyola 2003, 2005 – 8-4 vs Bishop Amat last 12 years. WHY can’t they beat BA more often?
    Mater Dei 1998 – lost to BA the last two times they played. WHY can’t they beat BA?
    Bishop Amat 1995

    others who have won a D1 championship
    Crespi 19EIGHTY6

    EVERYONE else
    NEVER!!! EVER!!! NOT ONE!!!

    WHY NOT?!?!?!?

  • Coach Verti

    Well…it looks like its a lot easier for the Amat Lancers to point out
    - Ifs
    - Would ‘ofs
    - Could ‘ofs

    But they just can’t explain WHY AMAT CAN’T WIN IN THE PAC 5!!!

    Joe Amat – Your verbal diarrhea keeps farting the same Shiat, but 2012 is going to be more of the same results for the last 18 years. In fact Amat will be washing their pads before Thanksgiving weekend!!! No Garfield, No Venice, No Cathedral in this schedule!!!

  • Coach Verti

    @ WHY ASK WHY???

    Penn State is saying the same thing…

  • Anonymous

    I dont understand why would you Amat fans honk at an article about Alemany? Ok the parents didnt think they were ready obviously those parents were wrong. Alemany not only was ready but have won back to back league titles and has beaten Amat both times 2 out the 3 in the last 3 years. #dumbamatfans WHY OH WHY do you do yall keep embarrassing yourselves with this history. #whogivesadamn The past is the past leave it behind you havent you fans notice that your history is getting older and older and every year its we were in that game until they eventually stopped toying around with us and out us away.

    I got a question for Amat fans…..what has your team done to be still considered good in the pac5 in the last 2 years?

  • alemany who?

    Anonymous – Bishop Amat has made the playoffs out of the Serra League the last four years. Notre Dame hasn’t. Loyola hasn’t. Crespi hasn’t. And Alemany hasn’t. 2 wins vs Amat were by one score. Had Alemany been in the league 3 years ago – they would not have gone to playoffs as Amat whupped them by 3TDs+ that year. Wouldn’t have the year before either. Wasn’t Alemany one-and-done last year too. Lost to a team making their first playoff appearance since 2004? What happens when the Pasadena kids start staying home? Parents gonna start complianing again? LOL!

  • Alemany Fan

    Wasn’t Amat 6 – 5 in 2011? What? What? Exactly!

    Didn’t Amat win a “Coin-Flip” to get in the playoffs? What? Exactly?

    You didn’t even ‘earn’ your playoff spot in 2011! You needed a 50/50 shot decide by some guy’s thumb! YOU GOT IN BY A THUMB! How does that feel?

    How many games will you win in 2012? 2 maybe 3? Exactly!

  • New York

    I suppose the real question is has the Trinity League and South Coast league created sustainable separation from the rest of the Pac 5 since 2008?

    Can an argument be made for dropping the Serra League based on the passed five years playoff performance? What about the Moore League if not for Poly?

    How far back does CIF need to consider in order to measure today’s reality?

  • Another Q

    New York – then the REAL question becomes: what LEAGUE takes anyone’s place? Not what single TEAM – but what entire LEAGUE can compete at that level?

  • Another Answer

    Ever heard of League Realigntment?

    Certainly Amat can be dropped from the Serra League. Who would replace them? How about a another school in SF valley school? Geographically speaking Amat is closer and would be far more competitive against the Western Division schools. That would be a better level of competition for what Amat has become today.

    Will CIF do it in 2014? They have to. Amat is no longer competitive in the PAC 5. Amat, JSerra, Milikan, LB Wilson just don’t belong in the PAC 5. They just can’t and won’t compete in 2012 or going forward.

  • Another Question

    Another Answer – last 4 yrs:
    Amat is tied for the best Serra League record over that period of time.
    Amat has 1 Serra League Championship. Others have none.
    Amat played for the championship on the last day of the season two other years.
    Amat is the ONLY team to make the playoffs from Serra Leage EACH of those years

    And they’re gonna take THEM out?

  • GP-

    Let’s not talk about rankings, realignment or Pac 5 History. Let’s talk about Serra League/ Pac 5 Div 1 2012 football.

    1. Which Serra league is going to have the best record?

    2. Which team is going to win the Serra league Championship?

    3. After league results, which Serra league teams will qualify for the Pac 5 playoffs?

    4. Which Serra League team will go the furthest in the Pac 5 playoffs?

    Serra League Choices: Bishop Amat, Alemany, Loyola, Notre Dame, Crespi

    Straight forward, to the point, and very clean…

  • reality

    By all means – let’s change our discussion from facts to opinions. Especially if the facts don’t back up your opinions

  • New York

    The CIF-SS should want the Pac-5 to produce the mythical Southern California Champion every year, and it should certainly want the Pac-5 to produce the undisputed Southern Section Champion every year. This can’t happen without representation from the top teams in the Inland Empire.

    The two top IE leagues need to reallign, placing their top teams into a Pac-5 League and their bottom teams into either an Inland League or maybe even a Central division league.

    As for the notion of “competing.” I think Amat has demonstrated an ability to compete within the Serra. The Serra seems to have a lot of parity among their league records. The problem is that the Serra has not had a good showing in the playoffs the past few years. If there were a way to take LB Poly out of the Moore League, then I would suggest dropping the Moore League to make room for an IE Super League. Otherwise, the CIF should consider placing the Serra League into another division.

  • Predictions

    @GP
    1. Alemany
    2. N.D.
    3. Loyola
    4. Amat
    5. Crespi

    All 3 playoff teams lose in the 1st round of the playoffs, unless the Serra #1 gets the Moore #3 in the 1st round.

  • Lancelot

    Wow, this is really getting sad. This used to be a good place for a variety of subjects but it appears that three or four (or maybe one) guy(s) has really taken over the blog. This same pathetic arguement has been sliced and diced and regurgitated all over this blog at least a hundred times…..How about a moritorium on anything Lancers? Even I’m tired of reading about the Lancers demise or Lancer’s staying power in the Pac-5. It would be comical to respond either way at this point. Let’s change the record.

  • AMAT 73

    Lancelot,
    121 hits and counting , you think the topic will change . Watch another thread with a similar topic or any topic will get spun out to something or another on AMAT and there it goes 10-15-25-50 – 100 and so on .This used to be a good football blog but now it’s just shiat hitting the wall and sticking.

  • GP-

    Lancelot,
    Now BA Fans don’t want to talk about the their season? How they are the Only Big Boys in the SGV….Answer the Damn questions….If we were talking about rankings and Strength of schedule, and who’s the best in SGV. you all would be all over it. Since we are talking Serra league, and Pac 5 division only, you all want to change the subject. WoW is right.

    I hope the SGV is watching this. Watch when the next thread is post in regards to inter-divisional, comparing lower Division Charter Oak, Chino Hills, West Covina and Monrovia, they will wave their Pac 5 banner again. This is the absolute lowest I’ve ever seen Amat bloggers on here.

    What would you all like to talk about. As you have pointed out so many times…What’s bigger than Amat Football in the SGV?

    So now since Everyone in the SGV is talking about Amat, this is not a good blog anymore? Maybe it’s not a good blog for you….Answer these questions and face the music

    et’s not talk about rankings, realignment or Pac 5 History. Let’s talk about Serra League/ Pac 5 Div 1 2012 football.

    1. Which Serra league Team is going to have the best record?

    2. Which team is going to win the Serra league Championship?

    3. After league results, which Serra league teams will qualify for the Pac 5 playoffs?

    4. Which Serra League team will go the furthest in the Pac 5 playoffs?

    Serra League Choices: Bishop Amat, Alemany, Loyola, Notre Dame, Crespi

    Straight forward, to the point, and very clean…

  • AMAT 73

    GP,
    It would be different if it was good solid blogging from people who know football instead of haters hating on AMAT . Half the post are from our favorite fan Quasimodo the village idiot . Now to answer your questions.
    1. AMAT
    2. AMAT
    3. AMAT,LOYOLA , ALEMANY
    4. AMAT
    Straight up as you asked.
    P.S.
    The valley has always talked about AMAT so this is nothing new. Maybe to you but not to us . As you can see Angola tried to put a stop to it (07/30 8:44 pm) but even the big man Aram said and I quote “Sorry man but none of that’s gonna happen”.

  • SGV FOOTBALL

    Aram,

    Can you post a thread on how the state playoffs will work this year? How many more games added, how they will decide who plays, etc.

    Thanks!

    Ceee-Ohhh

  • New York

    Amat73,

    Substitute “da Bears” for Amat and we have a SNL parity with your last response. I like it, though, at least regarding loyalty.

    The Amat bashing gets old. My comment wasn’t directed at a purported demise of Amat so much as at the changed concentrations of power within the Southern Section’s top division. It is easier to accept public schools going through talent “cycles” or, frankly, boom and bust. Look at Fontana and Rialto!

    Mission Viejo has climbed the ranks under Bob Johnson. Was he at MV the last time they were D1, or was Johnson at El Toro HS back then?

    As a HS football fan, it is hard to accept well-known private schools not vying for championships. Is Loyola doing something different now than it did 10 years ago? Are LA county private schools effected more by the deep recession and not able to give scholarships as much? Have the OC private AND public Pac-5 schools benefitted from mobile families to the point that the rest of the public schools are depleted?

  • Lancelot

    Talk about Amat’s upcoming football season? Absolutely….BUT, only intelligently. Here’s an idea, before you post anything else Amat related, go back and read all the previous garbage posted on this blog in the past one to three months, AND IF, you can post something “new” that hasn’t already been sliced and diced….lthen let’s talk. My guess is that we have spoken our last words. Adieu!

  • Not So Fast My Friend

    Aram

    + 1 with SGV Football on the playoff question.

    Also, can you explain this (CIF) bowl series stuff is supposed to work?

  • Not Since 1995

    Awwwh….! So sorry…!

    Lancelot and his Amat Blowhards picked up their Amat ball went home cuz the SGV is gang banging the Lancers…!

    Hey Lancelot…Don’t let the door hit your A$$ on the way out…!

    Not In 2012 Either…

  • Lancelot

    Actually, dipstick since1995, I was kinda hoping you would take your ball and just walk away….but alas, you can not retrieve what you do not have…balls, and we are once again stuck having to weave and sift through your written excrement to get to the posts of meaning. I await your next oral movement with baited anticipation.

  • GP-

    Lancelot,

    You also can go back to previous years on the blog and see some of the BA fans boasting and discrediting lower level schools. I think you have to take the love and hate. BA is the Most hated on in the SGV. However, it’s not right to proclaim BA bloggers are innocent of discrediting lower level titles and accomplishment. It’s time for everyone to start focusing on their schools upcoming season. With Two weeks left, games will start, the speculation will be over. There will be hard cold results for all to see. I’ll save my energy for those moments. The WEEK 0 two minute drill is going to be exciting. I can’t wait!

  • AMAT 73

    GP,
    Just on general principles who do you root for on Friday nights.

  • Lancelot

    @GP-Not disputing the shiat being tossed back and forth by ALL parties involved….just saying it’s old, repetitious and we need to move on to more meaningful football related topics. That’s all. No more, no less. Not trying to point fingers, but to coin a phrase….I’m just sayin.

  • Lancelot

    **** AMAT BLUE vs. GOLD GAME *******
    Friday night is the Bishop Amat Lancers Blue vs. Gold game. The action starts at 4pm with the Freshman squad. Come out and support the Lancers!!!!

  • GP-

    Amat 73/Lancelot, It’s GP- = Green Pastures… I don’t mean to be misleading, so that would be Monrovia. I us that name when I don’t have time to type in my very long winded names. So if you see Greenie, Green, GP- the blah blah blah AKA…it’s me green pastures.

    I’ll be the first to say I am guilty of mud slinging on here. However, as it get closer to the season. I become more and more in tune with Monrovia and the teams that we play`. That’s all that matters to us come week 1.

  • AMAT 73

    GP and on and on and on,
    It’s all good , no harm no fall as the great Chickie baby used to say . No harm in a little slinging every now and then as we all do , as long as it’s not down grading or bagging on any players from any school . These kids are out there in this heat busting their collective selves for the love of game , and for that they deserve all the praise we can give them. All the who’s tops or we could beat so and so is basically for shitz and giggles as it is said by many and fills in until it’s game time . Good luck to the Cats in their quest for a 3peat and a state bowl berth .

  • GP-aka you know the deal….

    Amat 73,

    Good luck to the lancers. Like I said if they win their 4-5 preseason games, the valley will have to eat crow once a day forever.

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