WAY TOO EARLY 2013 All-Encompassing SGV(N) Top 25 …

1. Bishop Amat — Koa back at QB with Camargo in bigger role.
2. Charter Oak — Experience at QB/RB and Prevost back to lead D.
3. La Mirada — Tons of experience, but can you trust them?
4. La Serna — QB Palmer being back is huge head start.
5. Chino Hills — Has really nice replacements for grad losses.
6. San Dimas — RB Payton back, your early Mid-Valley favorite?
7. South Hills — QB Goss is back and Sierra will be easier.
8. La Habra — Not sure there’s room to climb higher.
9. Santa Fe — QB Lara is one of the top weapons around.
10. Rio Hondo Prep — RB Tayco back and they always reload.
11. West Covina — Would be higher, but I heard things.
12. Diamond Bar — Would be lower, but I heard things.
13. Muir — Program headed in right direction.
14. Monrovia — Dynamic senior class departs, some key parts remain.
15. Diamond Ranch — Delp, Bryan lead bevy of veteran returners.
16. Los Altos — Leading passer/rusher back. Watch out!
17. Claremont — Leading passer, rusher, receiver return.
18. La Salle — Harvey, Akins good players to build around.
19. Bonita — Better luck required but QB Diebold is back.
20. Rowland — RB Duffus returns and Raiders play smart.
21. Arroyo — QB Coto and two top tacklers are back.
22. Duarte — Another offseason of Martin Magic. Look out.
23. Damien — If program gets stabilized, there’s some talent.
24. Azusa — Leading passer/rusher back. Bounce-back time?
25. Montebello — Like the returning experience on defense.

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    Great Place for the Wildcats to Start!!! We’ll inch our way back into the top 5. Especially after we spank San Dimas again… There are a lot of horses left in the stable, can you say 4 peat!!! 2013! let’s go!

  • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

    Potts, Jones, Bueno … not a bad place to start. And still considerably better than the RHL. Time for M-Town to add CO or West Covina to that nonleague.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      There are some other upcoming jrs that are really good, but had to wait their turn . You are correct about scheduling CO and/or West Co. That would get Monrovia ready for a possible Jump into the south east. West Co is the class of that division, and Charter Oak should be in that division. Now you know I think Monrovia should be ranked in the top ten. But it’s only fair to make them earn that spot throughout the summer. Mtown’s program is getting to point where it does not matter who’s coming back, you know they are going to be good. It’s like that with BA, CO, CH and West Co. This years class can solidify that, if they go semi’s or better. With a great regional performance this season, Monrovia can go back with 14-0 or 13-1 finish.

  • scotty bore as

    the top 10 look pretty accurate ,but having RHP at 11 ? I believe the only teams they could beat are La Salle,Azusa and Duarte…please tell me it’s not because you think they could beat teams like West Covina,Muir,Monrovia,Diamond Ranch,Bonita,Damien….this isn’t using Mr. Liberos pound for pound foolishness is it?

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      They can’t beat those teams… this thread is just shake things up.

      • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

        They can’t beat those teams? They beat Arcadia in a similar manner to which those teams you named would have beaten them. That Mission Prep team I saw them beat was absolutely no joke. RHP would have been just fine in the Mid-Valley Division last year and maybe even the Southeast, which was not as strong as years past.

        • scotty bore as

          so, head to head in 2013, you’d expect RHP to beat West Covina?Monrovia?DRanch?Bonita?Damien? I wish they were on the schedule…..I’d make some serious cash on those investments, or post RHPs schedule, as I recall other than a historically weak Arcadia team, they didn’t win a game of note, nor play in 1 until the state playoffs, they are a nice story, just don’t get carried away on the feel good David/Goliath angle…

          • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

            Didn’t win a game of note nor play one until state? WRONG! They beat Mission Prep in the title game. Go look up Mission Prep. Go look at their rating on Calpreps. RHP’s QB was 6-foot-2. The top WR was 6-3. The RB Tayco is as good as any in the SGV. You clearly know nothing about this team.

          • scotty bore as

            hey, I’m not the one who drools over the flag football summer results every year, which really don’t prove a thing in the REAL season, was Mission Prep legit when they beat RHP by 3 scores in the regular season? when you play the vast majority of your games against the likes of Webb and Chadwick et al, it’s not too hard to shine brightly in a game or 2 at the end. If RHPs schedule for 2013 consisted of the 10 teams you have ranked below them, they would be very hard pressed to win 2 of them, even you know that….but nice man crush for the kares big boy

          • Eastern Ave.

            RHP always has a tough non league schedule for a school with a student body of 100. Plus they log hundreds of miles of road games.

            2012 non league was High Dessert Boron and Big Bear both away and Mission Prep and San Diego Francis Parker at home, oh and there was Arcadia. All five playoff Teams and both Mission prep and Francis Parker were in contention for State.

            Will RHP win again in 2013? Who knows but to say they would not have a chance against the other 15 to 18 year old boys in the SGV is a little near sighted. sigh…

            “People believe football is a matter of life and death, I can assure you it is much, much more important than that”.

            - Bill Shankley

            Maranatha… Oh Magoo!
            :D Have Fun!

          • Eastern Ave.

            I like referencing RHP to the story of Gideon, I think The hundreds vs. thousands is a better picture.

            Until you witness their system with your own eyes, you just sound bitter. They are never bigger or imposing.

            They play fundamentally sound football. No hype, just a decade of winning more than losing.

            Is the window closing. Yes probably, but they will always be competitive.

            I think RHP would like to play more local schools. The question is which of these local schools want to risk a game on RHP? Ask Arcadia and or Maranatha.

            Maranatha Oh Magoo!

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          They could win the MVL or Almont though, but no love vs Mtown, SC, SD or Paraclete.

      • Eastern Ave.

        And Boise State could not beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta bowl either. :D

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Ill bet you any amount RHP can’t beat any of those teams.

          • Eastern Ave.

            Bet??? This is High School Boys Football. Bet???

            Where are your ethics?

  • Not So Fast My Friend

    I definitely agree, Monrovia should continue scheduling tougher competition with their non league schedule. They did a good job last season.

    Lots of questions with few absolutes.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      their are no absolutes in high school football…Monrovia’s program will be fine…Stars are born!

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        Haha! Yes there is. An absolute is that Centennial will be a very good program. Another absolute is that Monrovia will still be accused of playing baby ball until they move up and out of that league. Those, my friend, are absolutes.

        The questions are, will Amat have the same dynamic offensive skill set they had in 2012 for 2013?

        Does Charter Oak reload the defense their coach said was the best he’s ever had?

        Can Chino Hills get another QB on the level of Matt Simko and a defense that is coached up.

        Will Damien attract a high energy coach that can coach?

        And finally, can Monrovia keep the train running at top speed with so many key players moving on?

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Monrovia is a great program for a public school of 1700 kids….you forgot one more absolute…Baby ball Mtown will have the most kids sign Feb 6…did you forget that one?

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            I don’t know if Monrovia will have “the most kids sign” on signing day, but I’m sure they will have their fair share. And I can’t speak for other schools in the SGV. I will definitely be keeping my eye on how many from Monrovia do sign.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Well 2 are committed(Frazier and Walsh) and 2 have D1 offers(Craft and Bryant) after that It’s a toss up. But 4 would be the most off one team unless, CO has some surprise signings and BA has some surprise signings…I just bring this up bc most schools in the SGV avg 1-3 signings per year.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            That’s still a higher than average amount. Bodes well for Monrovia’s program. Those are the type of numbers that let a program feed itself by attracting more good players. I’ve got February 6th circled.

        • OuttaYourMindTrib

          Chino Hills is going to have to recruit/steal another QB to have any sort of hope at putting up any kind of offense? They have NOBODY with Friday Night experience.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            They have nobody? You sure?

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Ok, you got me, Hebert threw 18 passes last season in garbage time. That’s a foundation you can build a Sierra League Championship on.

            So, unless Bectel stole, errrr recruited, errrrr lured, errrrrrr unless somebody “moved into the area”, yeah, they’ve got nothing significant in the tank. So, did somebody “transfer” over there or planning to? The new semester starts next week so let the feeding frenzy begin I guess.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            haha, I have no idea! I just can’t imagine a program like CH, one of two schools in Chino Hills will fall flat on zero talent. Who moves where, no one knows! But I know they better have a much better defense next season!

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            BOTH schools in Chino Hills better have more than a mediocre at best defense or else it will be a long winter in 13/14 for them.

        • Kennedy Bryant

          Yes

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            I hear you, but I’m from Missouri, the “show me” state. lol

    • Not Since 1995

      Really…? Really?

      Monrovia scheduled Arcadia and South Hills and got their A$$es handed to them by both teams. By the way lowly South Hills from the D2 Sierra League has spanked the billycats up and down the field for 2 years in a row…! What tougher competition can they handle…? La Puente…? Bassett? Or maybe the could step up to a tough game against L.A. Garfield perhaps…!
      Monrovia take your rings and go shine them up! We in the SGV all know where you got them…!

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        If you are going to try to challenge me…at least change your name to 3 time champs in D11..not since 1995 is not fitting for a duel with greenster….

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  • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

    Wow, Rio Hondo Prep ahead of Monrovia. Never thought Aram would write that.

  • chip douglas

    Covina will be have another solid season possibly 2nd in the valle vista
    Darren torres(VVL honrablemention LB) will be at OB(started the beginning of this past season)
    Pearnell Smalley back (scored 3 tds against La Puente) about 500 yds rushing 5tds this past season as a sophmore
    Christian Padilla (2nd team WR/DB) 7 TDS 3 ints a senior to be
    LBs Ryan Cavaness(junior to be) Luis Sanchez back with plenty of exprience
    1st team all league DL Anthony Urea back
    Sophmore to be Eric Williams Safety (over 30 tackles, 1 int, a forced fumble)
    This season they will have more exprience back than this past season

  • Kennedy Bryant

    Clips, Magazines, Shell, Casings Gun Powder…….WE JUST RELOAD

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      LOL…Next year Baby Bryant takes over!!!

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      Kennedy – When I said Monrovia should continue scheduling tougher competition, I’m not talking about lower ranked schools in higher ranked leagues. I’m talking about the likes of Upland, Rancho Cucamonga, Norco, or even come on over and line it up against Centennial. Although we wouldn’t have room for you anytime soon. But you can always ask! lol If Monrovia wants to end the baby boy football their accused of playing, you’re going to have to start stomping with the big dogs. That’s not being disrespectful to M’Town at all, so please don’t take it that way. I’m just stating the facts.

      • Kennedy Bryant

        I agree we should play some much tougher teams.

        Kennedy Bryant

        • OuttaYourMindTrib

          Because We handle our business against San Dimas, Ayala, and South Hills so well…

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            yeah, but not in your division…so find a new division and then brag…Preseaon games…don’t mean much

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            A win is a win and a loss is a loss regardless of division. If either of those schools were in your division, they’d be winning titles and not you.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Why would Monrovia Schedule Upland and Rancho? CO can’t even beat those guys… Monrovia needs to venture outside the SGV and play schools like Tustin, Maybe Norco. Or Schedule schools like Downey, Summit or Kaiser. But scheduling Upland doesn’t help our program grow. They Crapped on Rancho, which Crapped on Charter Oak. Monrovia is taking the slower and steady approach to upper division football. There are several SGV teams in over their heads in league and division. Monrovia’s schedule got them into a regional game. That means it was great for our level. If we move into the southeast in the future, then we bump it up a notch.

        • Not So Fast My Friend

          GP those were just some immediate suggestions. I agree with you. Personally, Monrovia should schedule anyone from a wide variety of available schools that are considered tougher opponents. That not only raises the school’s profile, eliminates that baby ball dogma people use against the program and lastly, establishes a higher competitive level in your team. I do like the local route because it gives everyone a chance to see what Monrovia’s been doing for the past several years.

          I like the Tustin and Norco ideas, similar to Bosco, Servite, etc.

        • New York

          Slow and steady is annoying for some of us who understand hardnosed football and what it takes to unlock and unleash football players from Monrovia. Rancho and Upland are not the answer but Charter Oak and Etiwanda or Los Osos might be in place of San Dimas and Ayala. We can leave Arcadia on the schedule for border purposes, but if they do not return to the level of the Coach Dimalante era soon then we need to dump them as well. Slow and steady would suggest replacing San Dimas with West Covina if we want to play a WingT team.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            New York. Swapping out San Dimas and Ayala for Charter Oak is a huge step up. Etiwanda isn’t what they used to be. It’s going to take any coach going in there a few to get that program back to where it should be. Etiwanda has always had talent but the past two years, it seems it’s been diluted. If the rumors are true, that former Los Osos head coach Tom Martinez is in the running for the job there isn’t going to help. That program has nosed dived since Bechtel left. Scheduling Los Osos with Martinez would have ended up being an embarrassment to Osos. But with Martinez gone and the potential from bringing in new blood, Osos may not remain the laughing stock of the Baseline league.

            Either way, beating up elementary school teams isn’t the same as stepping into the octagon. It’s time for Monrovia to step into the ring.

          • New York

            Good points. I agree. And I also know that Monrovia needs a schedule that commands focus and hunger each week. Only teams with a cache or rivalry will do that for us. I also realize that we need to be realistic which is why I said Charter Oak and not Upland. I said Los Osos (assuing they are the status quo) and not Rancho. Line play would probably be overwhelming starting late second quarter.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            I see what you’re saying. I totally agree.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Monrovia should schedule out of Area mid range teams like Tustin, Summit, Kaiser, Lake Elsinore, Valencia, or a City Powers like Crenshaw, San Pedro etc….Mtown’s Schedule did exactly what it was supposed to. Schools like CO and Amat have tailor made preseason schedules which don’t prepare them for league, in leagues, that don’t prepare them for divisions they don’t belong in, in the first place…Those teams are showing they are strictly about looking good locally, and they use their extremely difficult divisions as cover for early playoffs exits…No matter what “No one” From the SGV is winning Inland or Pac 5 titles ever! If those schools want to stay in those divisions so be it…but your are looking at 45-21 scores or worse from here on out…and the proof is in the pudding…Just bc mtown is D11 doesn’t change that. Who can produce any evidence that this will change? CO Fans? Bishop Amat Fans? Big Boy Football Team Fans let’s hear it.

          • Not Since 1995

            Green Machine, you’re already a TWEENER in that Division 11.5…! You just don’t know it…!
            How proud can you possibly be about winning in Division 11.5? C’mon Man…! The only thing below you is 8-man Division, Flag Football, and 7 on 7 Summer Tournaments…!

            C’mon…seriously…? Are you really that proud to yell out “Monrovia is a CIF Champion”? Even when everyone in So Cal knows that it was “way down there in Division 11.5″…?

            What is so great about your “Local Talent”? What have they earned…? Where have they gotten you…?

            Look at your history over the past 5 years

            2012 – Lost to AYALA and SOUTH HILLS (two years in a row) – Errr against the bottom of the Sierra League…! They’re not even Chino Hills or Charter Oak…! You will get humiliated against CH or CO…! Even with all of your “great local talent”!

            2011 – LOST to ARCADIA, LOST SAN DIMAS (AGAIN…!), and LOST to SOUTH HILLS. We in the SGV all know that San Dimas is your pimp and that SD gets paid for your street corner services…! That’s just a fact. When we think Monrovia, we immediately think San Dimas’ biaaatch…! Just ask anybody in the SGV…!

            2010 – LOST to GLENDORA, SAN DIMAS (AGAIN…!) – See what I mean…? Show SD the money…!

            2009 – LOST TO SAN DIMAS (Member when you use to play in that 8 man – Division Championship)! 500 people, most of them from San Dimas, would show up for the game? You Member…!

            2008 – YOU actually LOST TO ARCADIA and ROSEMEAD…? Heh…heh! Heh…heh! Heh…heh!
            And you think you’re a big boy…? C’mon Man…? Really…?

            Go shine your rings, Green Machine…! We in the SGV all know where you got them…!

            Can you say “Cracker Jacks”

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Still..Monrovia will have the most signees this year…cracker jack that!

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            It’s time for Monrovia to keep doing what it’s doing…The Upper Divison SGV teams really look out of place In Upper division….The Midvalley schools/South east Schools in the SGV might be only schools who play with local kids…

          • SGV_FOOTBALL

            New York your talking about going from the d11 to d2 competition and not to mention the top 10 teams in d2? Really??? You need to play people just ahead of your level like Santa Fe, Norwalk, California, DRanch… Teams that will challenge you, look at Muir played a monster preseason and looked what happened second round exit. Those are the type of teams your coach should be scheduling. What will Monrovia learn from a whipping by CO?

          • New York

            My premise is that Monrovia plays best when motivated and focused, and we don’t do well unless it is an elimination game or a team with a lot of hype. Our worst margin of defeat the past few years has come against D11 San Dimas, not from South Hills nor from Ayala, but D11 San Dimas. That loss to San Dimas was after we had whipped them in the Semifinals the year before. We played uninspired football against Ayala and South Hills because it is hard to believe that they are good enough to command our best performance(even though I know they are) because of their previous season’s record, EVEN THOUGH SOUTH HILLS HAS BEATEN US TWO YEARS IN A ROW. Plus, those teams are not rivals with us and the games are somewhat meaningless.
            I think Monrovia would be more likely to lose to Santa Fe than we are to lose to Charter Oak or West Covina. CO and WC have the cache that would keep our guys motivated and hungry.

            Muir got whipped by absolute monsters (Upland, Rancho and Alemany). It makes me laugh every time someone suggests or implies that Charter Oak is at that level. Suggesting that Monrovia start scheduling Charter Oak is nowhere close to Muir playing those three teams.

          • SGV_FOOTBALL

            That sounds like a coahing issue if your team cant get ready for a higher division team like Santa Fe.

          • New York

            In what regard? I’m not close enough to the situation to make that kind of statement, but I can vouch for the individual character of a few of the coaches whom I know. Coaches and players are both responsible for success and areas needing improvement.

            My basic premise is that we seem more motivated against top teams. Madison from San Diego was good and the stage was big and our offense and defense was on fire. If Santa Fe were the perennial winner of the Southeast then we would probably take them seriously. Unfortunately, we seem to play down against teams that are not in the spotlight. That’s what’s great about Charter Oak. They step on the accelerator and paste those types of teams.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            CO will be coming back down to meet us in D7 southeast play soon LOL…Especially when they start playing with kids from covina instead of West Covina, Monrovia, Pasadena ETC …. D2 comp LOL….

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            I’ve been reading all the writing going on here and I have a question for you . Why do feel you will be a major player in the Southeast . To date you have never gone up against a WC , Bonita, DR and others so what makes you think you will be in a title hunt . CO owned the SE when they were in it and as many of you Mtwnr’s think you’ll beat them , it ain’t gonna happen . First off you need to schedule the game , and you and I both know that won’t happen . CO currently beat’s Ayala and SH easily which M’Twn can’t do . Yes you beat SF which I stated was a good win over a good program , but even you have to admit that was not a real image of a good SF team as they are known for . The RH and Mid Valley is no real challenge to you as clearly state in most of your posts , so how or what gives you the idea you will be at the top in the SE ???? And spare me the woes of AMAT in the PAC 5 and CO in the Inland as you do in almost every post of yours concerning M’Twn .
            New York,
            Do you really believe your teams thought process is that Ayala or SH ( and I guess Glendora fits that bill also ??? )does not warrant their best effort because they feel those teams don’t deserve it because of their records in their own leagues ??? That thinking has got you a whole lot of losses to them . What better way to prove a teams mettle and toughness then to knock off a D-2 team regardless of where they fit in the division to prove one belongs in the conversation of a top teams in the SGV instead of the M’Twn honks always fighting the battle on the blog .

          • New York

            It is frustrating, but yes. I do believe that. Keep in mind that “best effort” INCLUDES but is not limited to physical exertion by the players. Best effort means searching for the formula that will maximize our results and preparing to win. (Preparation takes many shapes and forms.)That includes searching closely and relentlessly for weaknesses to exploit and then having the confidence to exploit them. We did this for the most part very well against Madison (by far the highest ranked team we played and on the grandest stage). We hurt ourselves by not having the confidence to ram it down their throats in the redzone. Not sure if that was playcalling or QB audibles, quite frankly. Maddox obviously had one helluva game plan though. It also means evaluating personnel with a sense of urgency from Day 1 to find the roster of your best 11 for the situation at all times, even special teams, and determining how best to utilize them to score points and win.
            Your question about what better way to prove mettle regardless of where a team fits in: If we had throttled Ayala then it really would not have proved much at all because they did not even make the playoffs. Losing to them, unfortunately, has left us wide open to justifiable criticism. Ayala was indeed too good beat with subpar special teams performance and a lack of giving the WSGV player of the year many touches in the red zone. Against St. Francis, Potts had our two TDs, one from Wildcat QB in a special situation for a very long play and one on a fumble return. He clearly had the hot hand. In situations like that, we need to recognize the hot hand and go for the throat.

            Ainsworth and Covina were 1-1 (including OT) against West Covina during WC’s back-to-back title runs but 0-2 against South Hills and Ayala combined while at Monrovia, a team that pretty well dominated the Covina team he was on. I don’t know if Ainsworth was stopped for a loss all year. He looked great from the opening drive against Ayala through his touchdown run against Madison. Unfortunately he did not get key redzone carries against Ayala nor was he on the field when Madison scored their two second half touchdowns (pick 6 and Kickoff return). Frankly, the night Vaughns had 5 TDs for CO against Glendora, it did not even seem like Ainsworth got 5 touches against South Hills. Sometimes great teams just let their horses carry them and then celebrate their collective genius in the winners’ circle.

          • AMAT 73

            New York,
            Correct me if Iam wrong, but is there a hint of some failure on the coaches part to have the Cats ready and hungry for each and every game regardless of the opponent . Maybe that lack of confidence to “ram it down their throat ” comes from not practicing that theory at all times . Hell even the pros can’t turn it on when they want after finding an under rated opponent has gone up on them . When you fall behind to said opponents it seems the pressing to fire it up causes mistakes leading to turnovers ,missed assignments , and a look of being lost on the field . Just seems to me you need to have a ram it down their throat attitude everytime you step on the field instead of only when you think an opponent warrants your best effort due to their previous seasons record . One thing I don’t agree with is if you had throttled Ayala and SH it would have made a big difference on how the SGV looks at Monrovia .

          • New York

            Losing to Ayala and South Hills has supported due skepticism. Beating South Hills would have been a good a achievement on paper as well as on the blogs because they were an Inland playoff team. Beating Ayala is simply what is expected of the local good teams. I do agree, though, that throttling both of them would have given us credibility. Neither team is among the local elite (BA and CO and then after some separation WestCo), but they are both good football teams that simply don’t have much cache anymore due to their league performance.

            Regarding “failure”: I really don’t want to go there because it gets taken out of context. Every program has room to grow. Scheduling a more challenging season from week #1-#5 would create the necessity for everyone within the program to grow and achieve to their potential on a weekly basis. That includes coaches, players, time keepers, fans, etc. Ayala is a good start with a great talent base, large student body and upper division experience, but there is no excitement. Last year we botched two extra points and lost to Ayala. The following week Arcadia blocked a punt, but we won by a huge margin because Arcadia was not Ayala. Drop off in competition did not necessitate the same urgency that would be there otherwise. Ayala’s upper division experience has put them in a situation that necessitates that they leave no stone unturned on a weekly basis. I have a feeling Amat must have that same sense of urgency every week in league and playoffs and that carries over to pre-season preparation.

            Amat’s coaching roster is filled with guys who have been successful head coaches and successful coordinators of big programs. They are long in the tooth against tough competition. After being D-coordinator on Amat’s last championship team, DiFiori resurrected Temple City into a Semi-Finals team. Gallagher, as head coach, led La Salle to the CIF Finals. Salter is Salter. Haggs has built a winner at Paraclete and then was part of a nice run out in Riverside. Then are are others with tremendous playing experience. It’s no wonder you guys win games or are competitive in games against opponents that on paper look like an impossible task.

            We will get there.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            South Hills look better against Vista than CO looked against Rancho…those were early preseason losses get over it.

          • Kennedy Bryant

            You all can keep bashing Monrovia forever… Idgof. Monrovia high school is the envy of the entire sgv east and west. Great city support, great fan support, great sports complex, great winning tradition, great teachers and administrator, great coaching, and great athletes that are heading off to go play on Saturday’s. Hey football isn’t all about winning football games its about winning in life. Monrovia football helps to facilitate that. One thing I love about losing is it helps you appreciate being a winner. And some of the losers on this blog who weren’t losers to Monrovia are still losers simple because they have never won anything. Do all of us Monrovia faithful a favor beat us and win you league or a championship and ill be to tip my hat to you. BUSTER DOUGLAS. Yeah he knocked out Mike Tyson in his prime but never did anything else

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            lol. I don’t think the high school football season is long enough for you to take on all the takers with that offer! lol.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            We all laugh because if the shoe was on our foot (us in your division, and you in ours,) you’d be loosing even more games than we do and we’d be staring down great playoff runs too while you sit home during playoffs.

            I just have to laugh that you lost to Ayala. I mean, they didn’t even make the playoffs. That’s comedy gold.

          • Kennedy Bryant

            And you point is what… Ayala doesn’t have anything to show for its victory over Monrovia except your being critical of Monrovia. What’s comical is what Ayala and south hills have to show for their victories.. Any scholarships, any championships your victories over Monrovia mean absolutely nothing

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Ayala and South Hills are in Divisions they have no chance of ever winning in. If they were in your cupcake division, they’d both have a few titles. That’s the point.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Yeah, but they also have a lot more than 1700 kids…. Monrovia does it the best with 99% local Monrovians!

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Chino Hills demographic is changing. Think Diamond Bar, Arcadia, etc… So a large student body does not necessarily relate to a good pool to draw from.

            Just sayin’

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            If If if…

          • AMAT 73

            KB,

            I went over my posts to see where you got idea I was bashing MTwn. You do have a good football program which I have posted many times and all the other things mentioned I will take your word on . But believe me MTwn is not the envy of the ESGV by far , maybe the WSGV and I’m not too sure on that fact either but again I will take your word on that since it is your part of the valley . My questions were posed to GP in the fact that he feels MTwn will beat AMAT and CO because your team does so well in the RH and MV ,which by him is no challenge at all because he is already predicting a 4 peat which could very well happen due to lack of competition . Also thinks you will be at the top of the SE also due to those facts. I am sure even you can see the blogs point of that is quite a stretch when you can’t beat lower tier teams of the Sierra and then want to take on CO ?????. Why not cut your teeth against WC or Bonita to see where you stand against solid D-7 comp first before bitting off more that you can chew by playing CO. To NY I questioned if he truely felt MTwn gauges their play by their opponents previous seasons record in their division and league , hence the losses to Ayala ,SH , and I threw in Glendora because they fit the bill . NY gave me his feelings why but still haven’t heard from GP . Funny thing about your reference to Buster Douglas is that you and I both know any sports nut will always remember him knocking the hell out of Tyson . It may be his one claim to fame but you’ll never forget it . So if you have any pull after this coming seasons final game with SF have your coach call Hags because we have a couple of empty slots and give AMAT a chance to beat you as you say in your post Again if you took my post as bashing , that was not my intent as I do respect MTwn for what they have accomplished in “their corner of the world” as Aram likes to say .

          • Kennedy Bryant

            You know I’ve grown tired of the same old diatribe Monrovia is what it is and everyone else what they are. Frankly it’s an agruement that isn’t worth having. I don’t care if Monrovia beats Amat ever again. I beat Amat, I earned a scholarship to play football as a result of playing football at mhs,my son will be playing in the Ivy League next year the Bryant family believes Monrovia football had served its purpose and serve it purpose well.

          • New York

            That would be fantastic. Playing Amat week #5 would be great. Let our guys see the intensity of a major football team.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            What good would Monrovia get out of playing BA….I don’t want to play schools who’s whole season is the preseason…BA is unreal in the preseason…. It’s like if are 5-0 or 4-1 and crown SGV’s best team is all that matters to the lancer nation…..If we could play Ba in the middle of the season….it would be fair…

          • New York

            Bishop Amat is the best local team because they are the best prepared and conditioned local team, not because their talent is so deep. Playing them would expose our program to the intangibles that are needed to get us to be our best.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            yeah that’s all true… but still New York….

          • Valley Athletics

            What are you talking about . Amat plays hard all year . Don’t try to put down these kids by saying they don’t play hard . I would love to see Monrovia play teams loaded with talent all year so they can see what a toll it takes out of there key players . Monrovia

          • New York

            Haggerty was on Paraclete’s sideline during the CIF title game. Would have been a good time to move this initiative forward.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I think Monrovia will be competitive…Don’t ask me, ask fred and aram what they think…

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            yeah, but tell me this what games, titles etc.. did Co win with out Monrovia, Duarte, and Pasadena Players?

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            CO is not D2 comp….LOL…D2 comp lol

          • Not Since 1995

            Proud Monrovia Billy Cat are YOU…?

            2012 – Monrovia Lost to AYALA and SOUTH HILLS (two years in a row) – Errr against the bottom of the Sierra League…! Not Chino Hills or Charter Oak…!

            2011 – LOST to ARCADIA, SAN DIMAS (AGAIN…!), SOUTH HILLS. San Dimas is Monrovia’s pimp and SD gets paid…!

            2010 – LOST to GLENDORA, SAN DIMAS (AGAIN…!) – See what I mean…? Show SD the money…!

            2009 – LOST TO SAN DIMAS (In the 8 man – Division Championship)! Really…?

            2008 – LOST TO ARCADIA and ROSEMEAD…! Heh…heh! Heh…heh! Heh…heh!
            And you think you’re a big boy…? C’mon Man…! Really…?
            Manti Te’o is on the line for Green Machine – he says he’s got a girlfriend he wants you to meet…!
            Go shine your rigns Green Machine…! We in the SGV all know where you got them…!

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            LOL Yeah, but Monrovia still has most players going to college this year…Go shine that

          • SGV_FOOTBALL

            Your still talking about the southeast? Didnt that happen like 4 years ago!!!! Your the new Not since on the blog. Your posts are not even credible anymore. PS tell me where Monrovia and CO rank in the top 25 in the state?

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Loose to Ayala and want to play Charter Oak. That’s hilarious.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Yeah, we loved to play a charter o team without it’s plethora of transfers and out of area kids….

          • New York

            Or with them. Who cares.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Only a few technical transfers @ Ayala, but they’ve been there since freshman year so… Yet Monrovia looses to them. Makes you go hmmmmm.

  • Helen Keller

    I’ve been doing a little SNOOPing around, Aram. Heave you heard (I obviously haven’t) that someone from West Covina will be caNOODLEing with a lion (Brahma, actually) next year?

    • http://twitter.com/cbnboy34 patrick tyrone

      I’ll believe it when i see it! Not sure Snoop would be enough for Noodles to transfer from such a high profile program! and if so, there is MUCH more to the story!

      • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

        Not just Noodles … Sydney Jones, too.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Yeah, but DBar’s line is no where near wesco… For Playoff purposes, if those two do go to Dbar…it won’t be enough to go to semis in southeast.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            Keep hating! its a LOT of things can change between now and then!

          • Valley Athletics

            Diamond bar did not have a problem on offense. The problem was stopping the run . With noodles also playing defense they will have one of the top defensive backfields in the valley .they just need beef upfront .

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            But they did get progressively better than the year before!

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Not really they ended the season giving up 50, 35,35,25. They need OL/ DL/LB’s. I saw them play against Bonita. I am not hating.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            and your opinion about Bonita, who was also picked to be in the title mix…..But tell me YOUR opinion about why you think they would transfer if evidently they know something about DB’s program your or i dont! (thats assuming they actually do) and then again, DB”s lower levels are grooming some pretty solid kids!!

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Lineman? That’s all this is about…when DBar had line, they won the d2 finals, even with talent like the Locketts, they did not win a title. Same reigns true here. If DB gets a line, they could do some damage…with or without noodles.

          • DbarAlum

            GP, DBars Offense was pretty good last year averaging about 450 yards per game. The Oline performed very well last season and had some decent size. Our biggest problem is that the Defense has not been able to stop anyone which has been primarily a DC problem not a talent problem. Talent wise the 2014 class went 8-2 as Freshmen (beating Westco) and the 2015 class went 8-2 and Co-League Champions as Freshmen (without the services of Bell and Broudus) so you can imagine that the cupboard is well stocked for the next 2 years. FYI – the smallest OLine in the league last year was Rowland, who gave us all sorts of problems with their quickness and managed to win enough games to be League Co-Champions.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            You made some excellent points! Im with you on the DC problem, and that has been brought up recently!

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Look at their 2nd half production in the Ayala, West Co, Rowland, Bonita(18 2nd half pts), Norwalk and Brea Olinda Games. They didn’t score over 15 pts in the 2nd half verses good teams.. I would say that is a problem…that is a problem on O. I could see if they had a super D then they could afford to play that style. But DBar doesn’t. Broadus and bell were not tired… They got wore down in the trenches…They need hogs up front.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            Now thats a realistic assessement..Ill agree with you on that one!

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            There alot of programs who obviously didnt win titles who had kids just as good as the Locketts , and some who had better….thats like saying, just because you dont win a title, your no good!

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            If your safety leads in tackles… you probably gave up a lot of rushing yards. Noodles would be leaving a better defense at Westco behind.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            How am I hating? I am just saying that it’s going to take some big ugly lineman upfront to make some noise. Noodles and Jones would make Dbar better, but they had more players at wesco this season, with a better line and went deep. If you transfer to a school with less lineman, it’s going to hamper all that speed. Also I would say that Wesco has a better coaching staff too. I am just saying…

          • http://twitter.com/cbnboy34 patrick tyrone

            LOLZ..i like the way you put that..”some big ugly lineman” LOL

          • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

            On the real, I don’t get why those two would go to D-Bar … so the Brahmas can have two more of the kind of players that they already have? They aren’t what’s needed. They could help. But some big dudes from Brea or something would help more.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            Thats why i still dont believe its going to happen! Im like you, it doesnt make sense UNLESS there is something else going on at Dbar that we still dont have the 411 on!

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            Aram, do some snooping for us and find out whats really going on! Its gotta be something extra that is happening at the school if its drawing that kind of attention!! My instincts tell me, there must be some more bodies coming from somewhere that is being kept on the hush!

        • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

          Interesting!! Evidently there has got to be some more bodies coming in to be making this much noise this early..but like i said, would be fun to see, but ill believe when i see it!

          • Valley Athletics

            If its true they are going to be loaded at Db and receivers with Sidney jones , noodles , Cordell ,kanya bell and austin cox . They are also deep at running back . Will they run a 2 quarterback system like they did Henry Omanas junior year .

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            I say its quite possible, considering they have a young prodigy in Tyler Peterson…the options would be plentiful! its apparent to me that Coach Maine is going to want to run the hell out of the ball if nothing else!..Thats my early take..

        • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

          Sydney Jones is a senior! that doesnt make sense!

          • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

            sidney jones is a junior. will be a senior next year and if you saw him by season’s end, aka the semis vs. la serna, he will be one of the top players around next year.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            Okay, i had just seen the all valley team and they had him listed as a senior!..My mistake

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            So would he even be eligible to play without a address change?

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      All this transferring around, does not help players if they don’t check out all the details. I think someone should check out DBar’s line performance before leaving a great Line core at West Co and their great defense

      • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

        You seem to be more concerned than the players involved…There are many factors that you many not necessarily be privaleged to knowing! People make decisions that are best for THEM !! Be honest with yourself, you would not have wasted your time if you heard they were coming to Monrovia right??

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          It’s just a thread, and I am going off what we know. I am sure you have some inside info that may come out later, which would make this move make sense. West Co went deep in the playoffs without any of the Dbar players right? So if noodles and Jones stayed at west co it would be safe to say they should make the playoffs. Now if they transfer to Dbar without a solid OL/DL in place…do you think they would make the playoffs. No matter how dynamic the skills are you need big lineman. Why would noodles or Sydney come to Monrovia? Like I said they went deep in the south east at West Co…Both Kids are D1 prospects…they really don’t need to go anywhere. Very few transfer situations have panned out. Plus I think Dbar’s staff has nothing on Wescos….which will play a huge role in the success of any program.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            But look at the schools overall…DB better hands down if you want the whole package, that could be a factor…its not ALWAYS just about football!

  • Valley Athletics

    aram let me guess . You heard noodles is transferring to diamond bar . You are kind of hinting that by ranking them right next to eachother and by your comments .

  • Dam Spar

    Damien will be100% improved now that coach and his people are gone.Who ever the coach will be I am sure the discipline and conditioning will return.Look for them to return, maybe top 5 next season.

    • Valley Athletics

      Damian has a good sophomore class . As juniors they should be better next yr

      • scotty bore as

        it’s Damien…..nice of you to comment without knowing how to spell the name of the school, you must be very much in touch with the inner workings of said school……….not

        • Valley Athletics

          My iPhone changed the spelling and I did not notice .

        • SGV_FOOTBALL

          If your going to get on Valley Athletics over spelling I’m going to get on you over punctuation. You didn’t capatilize after any of your periods.

    • AnOutsideTake

      Damien will be A LOT better with the new hire! Cant wait to see what staff he brings with him.

  • Observantcat

    Monrovia will be just fine next season. In terms of the offense it will have a much stronger and faster offensive backfield as well as a more seasoned offensive line. Newcomers that will surprise you “Not Me” will be James Jackson who played in the CIF games at defensive back, I believe he will be carrying the rock along with Darrione Jones, Anthony Marquez, Fernando Rosas and Newcomers Sophomore Cameron Johnson who may prove to be the most dangerous running back in the lineup. Having Potts in at QB will always offer a running threat on offense “Ask St. Francis” The receiving core will be made up of some very gifted athletes such as Octavious Spencer, Darius McClain. The Defense will be Led by Avont’e Moore and made up of a quicker group of athletes as opposed to the group of Seniors of last season. These guy are already fired up and ready to take to task a possible 4peat and beyond. In terms of RHP, I have always given them their props in past years but they are not near the level of athleticism of a Monrovia or West Covina, but for speculation purposes they are a hard nosed group of guys that will play with anyone. I would end this with let the Sh*t talking begin… but it has already begun. Good luck in 2013, this will be a special year for a few teams that are underrated on this list.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      I am sure some players will waltz over to Monrovia …

      • Football1

        Heard a “Big” 1 is coming from duarte?

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          I haven’t…let me check!!!

          • Football1

            Heard its a big guy..

  • INVICTUS

    Aram,
    since your in the know. Who is taking over for Snyder at Rowland?

  • Huskyfan

    When it comes to CH, their JV program has won league 3 years straight, so there is talent coming up to varsity. They have a QB transfer from Los Osos that was playing on JV last year and going up on Friday nights to back up Simko, and he looks good. Saying that, I believe CH will be reloaded and ready for 2013

    • SGV_FOOTBALL

      What happened to Thropay?

      • OuttaYourMindTrib

        Who?

    • OuttaYourMindTrib

      You sure the JV won league this past season? Pretty sure 9-1 beats 7-2-1. At least in the real world 9-1 wins. Who knows what passes for a league championship in Husky Nation.

  • AZTEC PRIDE

    Alright Aram, You did a little homework and you have the AZUSA AZTECS at #24. AZUSA’S JV and the freshmen team did alright last season, and I spoke to a coach and he mentioned AZUSA should be alright in 2013. Hopefully we can get a great running back like a Desmond Reed, and some decent receivers!. If you know noticed the upcoming teams who’s Quarterbacks had a good season and are good, like the Gladstone’s and LP’s, well it makes for a intresting season! Pretty Cool ARAM, the season has ended but here we go right back at it! Hope to see some good articles come up in the dry season! Let’s rebuild AZUSA…

  • Huskyfan

    Thropay and the transfer, Jacob Herber, were rotating as QB’s on JV, however, Jacob started most games and came in when Thropay struggled. Watching both players, I like Herber, he has a strong accurate arm, steps into the pocket and very mobile when needed. Thropay is good too, however, my opinion he needs more snaps. He needs to learn to step up into the pocket and get rid of his happy feet and throw to players not patterns. Both are sophomores and have time to get stronger and better.

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      I’ve seen Chino Hills offensive line and they were a little underwhelming. If either of those two QBs are going to be successful, that line needs to get better and meaner. They were manhandled by Charter Oak’s defensive front that would have had the ref call it in any other contact sport. But it doesn’t matter who they get to QB if they don’t fix that defense and get a real defensive coordinator and a DB coach. They were atrocious in 2012.

  • Huskyfan

    Bigger isn’t always better. Coming from an UNDERSIZED line myself, we ran circles around our competitors while they sucked wind. A CH line will always be smaller than a defensive line, however, they will be quicker and outlast a “fat” slow line. On the DC side, well that is Bub and until he turns it over to someone else we are stuck. I agree we need more size and speed in the secondary.

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      If Bub is the DC for Chino Hills then he needs to fire himself from coaching that position. He’s horrible. The games I saw, I saw little if any credible halftime adjustments. His defense didn’t fit the personnel he had, linebacker wise and his DBs had zero technique in coverage. Even the defensive line that played well at times, did little more than bull rush. When an offensive line was in front of them that was equally if not stronger (Charter Oak), a lack of technique made them ineffective. That’s not coaching up your players to be Succesful. I’ve seen youth football coaches do a better job with kids.

      Looking back I think that was a golden moment for Chino Hills. They had Matt Simko, three really dangerous receivers, (of which I’ve heard they sat one, a junior, the last three games because of the player’s girlfriend?) and a high power offense, courtesy of Matt Bechtel. The only problem was their defense and the coaching they received, obviously.

  • Eastern Ave.

    Would love to to RHP play La Salle in the fall.

  • Coltfan

    I wouldnt count Covina out just yet they are still top 25 material

  • OuttaYourMindTrib

    Not only is this list too early, it is more ridiculous than last years top 25!

    Ayala didn’t make the top 25 yet they beat 12, 14, 17, and 23 on your list. WTF?????

    Chino Hills ranked that high with a QB that has never taken a snap on Friday? Their JV squad was not even that strong.

    Damien? If “if” was a fith we’d all be drunk.

  • Guest

    La Salle Pre-season schedy is Catherdal, Bishop Diego, Pasadena and Maranatha

  • Noobskillme

    La Salle’s pre-season is Catherdal, Bishop Diego, Pasadena, Maranatha

    • New York

      That is a great pre-season. Good for La Salle.

  • Titansportsfan

    Way to Early Top 25 for sure and there will be drastic changes as these
    are simply blog fodder for all of us and simply educated guesses …. On
    that note dont sleep on San Marino . I totally understand them not
    being in the Top 25 now the amount of seniors we lost at key positions.
    The well is not dry though in SM plenty of sophmores and juniors coming
    up. The program as a whole went 27-5 with a handful of freshmen having
    played on the JV team. That frosh team we fielded still went 9-1. Not
    to say were on MTowns Level though cause 3 of those 5 loses came at the
    hands of Mtown but we were nearly there this past season. Also dont
    discredit the quality coaching at SM and the Gem that is Mike Hobbie
    he’ll have his team ready to go once the games start to count.

  • Huskyfan

    They went 4-1 in league. If you want to compare overall records, we would be glad to compare our preseason schedule against your schedule any day. Did your team beat Tesoro, West Covina, Great Oak and tie Biship Amat? I don’t thinks so, so instead of coming in here and hating the Huskies, I suggest you go to your coaches and ask them to prepare your team by scheduling tougher teams so you can win league.

  • Huskyfan

    They went 4-1 in league. If you want to compare preseason too, they only lost to Arlington on their first game of the year. They beat Tesoro, West Covina, Great Oak, and tied Bishop Amat. What did your school schedule look like? And please tell me who the 9-1 record belonged too because if it is who I think it is, man don’t even go there, you’ll look silly.

    • OuttaYourMindTrib

      You’re the one claiming league titles when that’s not necessarily the case. The record is the record.

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