UPDATED: CIF declares Antonio “Noodles” Hull ineligible at Diamond Bar until Nov. 9 because of Rule 510 after West Covina disputes transfer …

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UPDATE: Upon receiving the form to either sign off on Hull’s transfer or dispute it, West Covina chose to dispute it and provided CIF with a letter/email from Hull’s father that implies the reason for the transfer was because of lack of playing time at quarterback and the opinion that Hull’s talents were not being used properly. The letter/email is what CIF used as proof the transfer was athletically motivated. 

Antonio “Noodles” Hull, who transferred from West Covina to Diamond Bar this offseason, has been ruled ineligible to play varsity football for the Brahmas, according to the CIF-Southern Section’s website.

Hull, a junior-to-be, played quarterback, running back and safety at West Covina last season and was named the Tribune’s Newcomer of the Year. He was in the mix this spring for Diamond Bar’s starting quarterback position.

Exactly how long Hull is ineligible for remains unclear, but reading from a letter he said he received from CIF, Hull says he cannot play until Nov. 9.

The decision on CIF’s website cites bylaw 510 as the reason for Hull’s ineligibility. Rule 510 is the bylaw that includes “undue influence, pre-enrollment contact, failure to disclose pre-enrollment contact and athletically motivated transfers”.

Hull said the athletically motivated portion of the rule is what CIF said applies to him and that he plans to appeal the decision.

“I don’t understand why they’re trying to put a dent in a kid’s career,” Hull said. “We have to appeal and fight it.”

Diamond Bar has gained attention over the past year because of the presence of rapper Snoop Dog’s son Cordell Broadus on the roster. Snoop’s nephew Kanya Bell also plays on the team. Both Broadus and Bell are highly recruited players entering their senior seasons.

Hull made a name for himself during his youth football days while playing for the Compton Vikings in the Snoop Youth Football League.

Although many have speculated about a link between Hull’s transfer to Diamond Bar and Snoop’s influence, Hull is adamant the rapper wasn’t a factor in his decision and that it came out of necessity after his family moved to Pomona.

“Snoop didn’t tell me to come to Diamond Bar or anything,” Hull said. “But I played in his football league and that’s how I met him. He had no involvement in me going.”

Hull said his family has moved from West Covina to Pomona since the end of the season. He petitioned to get out of the Pomona Unified School District and was granted his request. He was then accepted at Diamond Bar.

“It was something that I had to do, we moved,” Hull said. “It was out of my hands. I was still going to West Covina when we moved to Pomona, but my mom just couldn’t it anymore. My grandma works in Diamond Bar.”

West Covina coach Mike Maaggiore and athletic director Brian Murphy have not been returned as of this writing. But keep in mind that’s Mother’s Day.

Aram’s take: Like everyone, I have my own opinion on this matter and at its core this is about rules. I think it’s totally ridiculous. Some will agree, some will disagree. What I do need is more understanding and better clarity of the “athletically motivated” rule, which was almost voted out of the CIF Blue Book last fall. 1. I didn’t think kids could be ineligible past Oct. 1 for football. 2. A valid residential change should trump all, but maybe since Noodles is in a different district, it’s different. 3. I didn’t think schools could “challenge” a transfer, which it appears is what West Covina did. In the end, you have a kid whose main goal in life right now is to play football at the next level, and hopefully beyond, denied his eligibility for most of his all-important junior season. And for what? Even if he came right out and said “I DON’T WANT TO PLAY FOR WEST COVINA ANYMORE” what’s it matter? That’s his choice and his parents’ choice, for whatever reason, they/he made it. On every level of sports, EVERY LEVEL, players come and go, coaches come and go, and yet we continue to have a problem in high school athletics where CERTAIN cases are not okay while others are. If you don’t see hypocrisy in that, then you’re blind. Happy Mother’s Day!

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  • Fatligian

    You’re an idiot…that’s why you don’t get and won’t.

  • The truth and nothing but…

    Let Hull play! Let Scoby play!

  • Valley Athletics

    This sucks for him. A kid should be able to at least go to the CIF offices and discuss his options before transferring . If he moved to Pomona he should have to go to school in the area . If cif denies him from the very beginning at least the kid has the option to stay at West Covina , go to area school in Pomona or a private . Now he has no shot at Qb for the season .

  • Aaron

    Where in Pomona? Why not Diamond Ranch or like so many kids that start at La Verne Schools…why not BOHI?

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      He would have gone to Ganesha. Hurts.

      • Aaron

        So he could have taken a ten minute longer drive up to Durward Way…

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      Maybe he didnt want to! Isnt that reason enough!

      • Aaron

        Sorry but Diamond Bar is much further away than Bonita and our Education is easily on par with a smaller student body.

        • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

          No its NOT! from Grand ave to Hollenbeck takes about 17 mins in average traffic! Did the drive routinely

        • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

          My point is..why would he go somewhere he doesnt want to go?? Most of kids he played with are local….Rowland Heights, DB, WestCo….

  • Dan

    Great comment Aram. How can you deny a kid who moved, it is out of his control and to read that west Covina challenged this is horrible. What kind of man is maggorie to challenge a kid. I know that west Covina must have a double standard . Very disturbing to hear that west co is so vindictive.

  • fyi

    Aram, you are an idiot trying to stir the pot. Great journalism! (hear the sarcasm?) Transfers work like this: 1)Kid transfers, 2) Kid’s new school files paperwork, 3) CIF asks old school to sign paperwork stating that they knew “no instance of undue influence”, 4) Old school tells the truth. That’s it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      Problem with that ….How would old school be under privalege of knowing whether there was undue influence or not?? WC could easily lie!!! Noodles would have transfered 2 yrs ago if Snoop had any influence!!

      • AMAT 73

        PT,

        So in other words have the Coach lie that he never saw the e-mail and in essence break another rule . It seems you are of the school of ” rule are meant to be broken ” or is that only when it’s to DB’s advantage. If the shoe was on the other foot , would like your coach to lie if one of your key players leaves under the same circumstance ???????? I don’t think if all was in order there would be a problem , but it seems like another case of parental involvement of telling a coach how to run his team . I know my view is old school but what ever happened to earning a position by hard work and proving yourself to the coaching staff . Also it’s not as if DB is a football power which is probably why he chose them an easier ticket to that QB position .

        • Brahma fan

          Amat73, PT’s post does NOT ask the West Covina coaches to lie. He’s Insinuating something else. It appears that PT is trying to argue the same as I am. There is NO allegation of UNDUE INFLUENCE on the part of Diamond Bar. The article clearly states that an e-mail sent by the kids father is being used as evidence of “athletically motivated” transfer.

        • bulldogfan

          Hey Amat73 I agree with what you said up until the last sentence. We are NOT going to question his talent. I believe he has many people in his ear. I can tell you he is very talented and a natural athlete. He will upgrade ant program in the Valley. The bulldog family wishes him the best. However rules are rules. And at Westco we follow the rules.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            right! whatever you say!

        • Jack

          Again some old fart thinks he knows what he is talking about. If you knew his parents you would know that they only get involved when there is a academics problem. If you can recall his parents made him sit out games during his freshman year only to find out that his grades were intact. So where is the athletic motivation.

  • Jimmy the Greek

    Under the new rule, the only way he could be denied eligibility via athletically motivated is if Westco provided documentation to CIF that there was/is a rift between the athlete/family and the coach/coaching staff. Westco must have had either written letters, emails, twitter posts, or text messages that they provided to CIF as proof.

    • Jimmy the Greek

      I wouldn’t be surprised to see both sides agree to negotiate this situation down to a 30 sit out period.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      WC is where all this is coming from in the 1st place!

  • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

    FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

  • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

    The CIF rules apparently apply ONLY to certain schools!!!

  • Dogtown

    Dan
    How can you call Wesco vindictive. You act like you know all the facts, to call out Maggiore personally is idiotic. You go to a few practices, talk to a few people, whoever will talk to you, then you pass it on like you know something. You are What some people would call a wanna be. Aram doesn’t have all the facts either, so quit being his lapdog.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      Dude, Noodles didnt quit WC for no reason to begin with! Sounds like something went down that we dont know bout, but i know there are some shady characters in/outside of Cif involved in this BS!

    • Bulldogs have bite

      This is NOT the Dan from West Covina who attends practices. The real Dan posts under WCDan because this troll took his name to post this nonsense. This Dan has 4 posts total all in this thread.

      • WCDan

        Bulldogs have bite,
        Thank you for clearing that up, I tried to get my old name of Dan
        when they changd the format on here last year for this very reason, but this guy had beat me too it so I had to change my
        name.

        • Bulldogs have bite

          We all knew it was not you! All the board vets for sure knew. I strive to follow the example you set for West Covina posters, but my fiery spirit prevents me from presenting my arguments as eloquently and even handed as yours lol!

    • Bulldogs have bite

      This is NOT the Dan from West Covina who attends practices. The real Dan posts under WCDan because this troll took his name to post this nonsense. This Dan has 4 posts total all in this thread.

  • jcaz

    It so funny. Every year we seem to read about something like this. I mean, I dont understand why a school would challenge a kid in the first place. The way I see it, if the kid doesn’t want to play for you, then why go through all of this ? What do you have to gain by filing a protest anyway ?
    I dont know what the outcome was on that law suit by Mater Dai against the CIF, but I just wish that they would finally settle this issue and just stop schools from letting kids do what best for them.
    Funny thought, but if Maggiore was to somehow quit his job at WestCo for something that was better paying, and much more prestigious (say the head coaching job over at USC or something ??), then I wonder if anyone would protest ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      easy! called holding a grudge and being vindictive!

    • Fatligian

      The Mater Dei situation was a tad different…the kid came from Connecticut.

  • TheCloser

    Let the kid play. Once upon a time I was an All-Mt. Baldy League transfer quarterback to Amat rated as one of the best on the West Coast. CIF denied my hardship petition and that Student Sports QB ranking was for not. Coach Martinez who is now Assistant Commissioner was the AD of Amat then and fought for me but we lost our appeal. Coach, let the kid play!

  • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

    This explains LosAltos proposing to throw DB in the Sierra League!!!

    • Aaron

      Nope

    • Football Fan

      And how is that?

  • MagnumPI

    This is ridiculous and exactly what is wrong with High School athletics these days.For Aram to say “what’s it matter?” if the kid don’t want to play for West Covina shows a complete disconnection to what high school sports are all about. These kids that are bouncing around schools like crazy will never make it at the next level because they haven’t learned the value of loyalty, hard work and dedication. These traits are necessary to become successful beyond high school. Kids should stay at the schools within their resident boundaries. Period. Parents also need to be aware of the opportunites that they present to their children. If you don’t want your kid to go to a Pomona school, THEN DON’T MOVE TO POMONA! F’ing duh!

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      Did it ever appear to you , that his mother had a hardship as far as transportation being that his mother was NO longer able to make the drive??? Maybe Pomona was a more affordable choice to live???

      • MagnumPI

        So let me get this straight…We live in Pomona but have a hard time transporting our kid to West Covina which is 9 miles away. However, we can get our kid to Diamond Bar which is also 9 miles away?

        • The truth and nothing but…

          I believe the kid said his grandmother works in Diamond Ranch so I am assuming she will give him a ride on her way to work.

          • MagnumPI

            That makes sense…however I still ask the question “Why not go to Diamond Ranch?”. It would have been within CIF rules to do so and he would not be facing any suspension.

          • The truth and nothing but…

            She works in Diamond Bar not Diamond Ranch, my mistake.

          • MagnumPI

            That’s a different story…however CIF rules to not have a transportation exception to their bylaws. Unfortunately.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            one word..he wont play for Roddy!

          • MagnumPI

            @Patrick…so you agree. This is an athletically motivated transfer which violates CIF rules. Where he enrolled was based of who the football coach was (athletic). We can’t keep making the excuse that “everyone else does it”. Although it isn’t fair that most athletic transfers slide under the radar, Hull needs to fulfill the punishment of the rules that were clearly broken.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            but sounds like your making it personal against the kid! if it were any other school, we would not be having this blog! the letter apparently never said Hullvwas moving as a result of the email, there is a BIG difference in how that can be interpreted! Now in my opinion, had mr Hull stated he was relocating in the email, then sure! I would say he is a sitting duck, but only communication in email was that he was concerned about his son’s playing time. I dont believe Cif or Maggiore should be allowed to interpret anything past what was in email! and looks like moving was not one of them! Hopefully Hull and family will fight the misinterpretation of the email!

        • Dan

          Magnum, you need a Thomas guide. Look it up it’s a map book. Ever try going down the 10 freeway at 7 am? Get a job!!!!!!

          • MagnumPI

            Dan…I drive the 10 to Los Angeles every day at 8am. So is it the time it takes to get there or distance?

        • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

          pomona is less than 10 mins even 5 depending on what side of town your on

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      What makes you think every kid that has transfer from school A to B has been a failure??? or more/so calling the parents failures! IF you dont put food on their table or pay their rent/mortgage, then who are YOU to be the judge on what is failure ???

      • MagnumPI

        Patrick, I never said every kid that has transferred was a failure. You obviously hear only what you want to hear. A kid who is allowed to bounce around from school to school (lets say 4 transfers in 4 years), is definitely being set up for failure. Life don’t work that way. If the parents don’t understand that, then how will their children? The main roots of success are perseverance, loyalty, dedication, and integrity. When a kid is allowed to pack up and move because they don’t like the coach or their team, there is a total lack of understanding for all that I’ve just mentioned.

        • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

          okay,and how doesthat apply to Hull??

          • MagnumPI

            Because it was well known that Hull was unhappy at West Covina and was shopping his skills around before ending up at Diamond Bar.

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      So if you’re a talented kid with next-level potential but your socioeconomic situation is that you live in a school district where the local high school could care less about the football program, has terrible or no equipment, sub-par coaches, no admin support, you should be have to STAY in that district go to that schoo. Period?

      Real genius stuff, MagnumPI.

      • MagnumPI

        @Aram…there’s a number of things to remember in regards to your statement and I actually agree with you to a certain degree. First, if the kid is that talented…then he will have an opportunity at the next level regardless of where he goes to high school. It happens all the time. Second, the Pomona Unified School District is an open enrollment district. Hull could have enrolled at any of those schools and played ball. What was wrong with Diamond Ranch? They post an 800 API score and have a good football program. If a district is that bad, then under the “no child left behind act” Hull can petition for outside enrollment. There are a number of schools closer to Pomona with good football programs that Hull could have enrolled at. I believe he enrolled at Diamond Bar because there was some sort of “contact” prior to his enrollment at the school. By allowing this to happen you create a terrible precedent in making our schools and amateur athletes marketing pawns and this is where players, coaches and programs have been actively recruiting…a clear violation of CIF bylaws.

        • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

          as long as that contact was not by a school official or coach, then how can they rule “undue” influence?? another parent talking to Hull would not make the transfer botched!

          • fyi

            for someone who thinks they know it all about db football… you really have no idea

          • Brahma fan

            So what do YOU know about Diamond Bar? Please, do tell.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            Ummmm i was a graduate fool!

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Yeah…however, the really good players parents normally start looking for schools, prior to the 9th grade. I am sure they are aware who has what, who is coaching where…Sometimes coaches do get fired. I think kids should be able to go where they want based upon the fact that you should not make kids go where they don’t want be…

  • MagnumPI

    I’m completely against rooting for kids to fail but can anyone see the connection to Kurt Scoby, Antonio Hull and Michael Graham? When has has it ever benefited a high school athlete to bounce around schools every year? Never. I believe the parents of these players are more to blame for their failures more than the kids themselves. After all, who are the ones enabling this behavior?

  • wc insider

    aram you and 95% of these comments are directed at the cif rule. west co has nothing to do with it besides filling out the paperwork sent to them by diamond bar. they told the truth. the young man made pre-enrollment contact with the school and football coach. diamond bar did not challenge this fact. if you guys have a problem with the truth then fine. but don’t make it a west Covina is the bad guy thing. the comment by “fyi” was correct.

    • Bulldogs have bite

      Exactly. Paperwork cost us a game last season. We don’t want to suffer more consequences from CIF for allowing things to slide. As much as we want to help “one” kid out, we cannot risk having a “whole team” miss out due to shotty paperwork.

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      I haven’t spoken to anyone from West Covina yet, so I’m reserving judgement until I do. Yes, I think the rule is an unenforceable joke.

      • fyi

        you haven’t spoke with anyone from wc yet, so you cast judgement on them with no knowledge… slander??? you need to change the name of your blog to “tmz in sgv fb”

        • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

          I would LOVE to put TMZ in the title. I think TMZ is the model all media outlets in this century should use. But that’s a convo for another day …

          Where did I slander West Covina? Feel free to copy and paste exactly how I slandered them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

        I think he can fight it!

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      that doesn’t prove anything! and there might be facts on Hull’ behalf we haven’t heard!

    • Brahma fan

      You are incorrect with your statement sir/ma’am.

    • Jack

      Are you Really an “insider” Lol

  • Bulldogs have bite

    I think pointing the finger at West Covina’s staff is laughable at best. They did everything they could for this kid on the field and in the classroom. They do this for every kid in the program! But when someone does not get their way, they will always look to go elsewhere. And that’s fine. But when you leave and try to convince several others to go with you, that is another story. Just take a closer look at how many students that live within WC’s district have been allowed to transfer to South Hills to play baseball over the years without nearly a peep from AD Murphy! There was undue influence, thank goodness all the Snoop Lion gear in the world could not buy the loyalties of some of our other players.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      funny how quick you are to throw him under the bus! so wc was really helping him huh??

      • Bulldogs have bite

        Who is throwing who under the bus? Mr. Hull made a decision to leave because he felt his situation was better elsewhere. West Covina let him play every position on the field to showcase his talents, but that was not enough. I wish Noodles all the luck in the world, but I stop short of feeling completely bad for him.
        You posted earlier that this is all stemming from West Covina’s side? You just threw WC under the bus without even hearing their side of the story. I can tell you truthfully that it has more to do with sources inside DB creating undue influence in contacting several WC players. What happens when several players turn down the offer? It’s High School, it will always find its way back to the teachers and coaches.
        You posted earlier that West Covina should of just lied. Why should they lie? They don’t teach that at West Covina. We forfeited a game last season because we self reported our own mistakes regarding a transfer from Bishop Amat. If this was truly a financial matter for him, so be it. But it appears there is credibility to the fact that contact with coaches and or sources within DB has been made prior to enrollment. Therefore non-reporting from West Covina’s side could lead to consequences to WC by CIF. In today’s internet age, kids, parents and coaches may post/tweet something stupid or revealing. No need for West Covina to take that risk over one kid.

        • Brahma fan

          Again incorrect! There is NO statement regarding undue influence on the part of Diamond Bar Coaches or Administration. Only that West Covina is using an e-mail between coach Maggiore and Hulls dad as evidence of an ATHLETICALLY MOTIVATED transfer.

          • Bulldogs have bite

            No need to try to prove the hard to prove when you already have the smoking gun as evidence. Lets just say a certain person from Diamond Bar made phone calls to several WC players to come over and play with his son and nephew. Whether or not it’s illegal to do so or not, it is still shady business.

          • Brahma fan

            “Lets just say” is a pretty insinuating statement. Shady business, maybe. I don’t agree with recruiting. But what are the FACTS in this particular case. You are trying to say that Diamond Bar is guilty of UNDUE INFLUENCE. When actuality is that West Covina believes that the transfer was athletically motivated. So, if the kid transferred to Diamond Ranch or Los Altos, West Covina STILL would have challenged the transfer. But it wouldn’t prove that Diamond Ranch or Los Altos had ANY undue influence. And you would still be upset that the majority of people on this blog would still see it as they see it.

          • Brahma fan

            Lets just say that Maggiore is being a whiny crybaby and is pissed that the kid left his program.

          • Jack

            Lol I’m sure that’s some made up story

          • WCDan

            Brahma Fan,
            I notice you keep referring back to Arams article as if it
            had all the facts of the situation, Aram knows little of the situation and even admitted that he has not talked with the WC coaching staff. I don’t understand the accusational slant of his headline and article when he hasn’t heard from both sides. It is common knowledge within WC that there has been contact with WC players from DB insiders, I won’t go so far as naming names but it wasn’t just one isolated incident.

          • Brahma fan

            Why insinuate? Lay it out there. Name names. I can go down to West Covina TODAY and ask every player there if they would transfer to Diamond Bar. According to CIF, I have no connections to the school and therefore my RECRUITING garners no merit.

          • WCDan

            I don’t get personal on here, and I don’t name names unless I have something good to say about someone.
            so I won’t break that trend just to satisfy your request.
            By the way, maybe Joe Amat or someone in the know can clarify this, but as per your example of you coming over to West Co and asking kids to come to Diamond Bar, even if you are not part of the staff of a program, but are just a parent , that would still be undo influence by CIF rules.

          • Brahma fan

            Then piss or get off the pot! I’m not defending the kids transfer. I’m defending the school. If this is a rules violation by Diamond Bar then contact CIF. West Covina bloggers are upset that others are calling their move vindictive. So, instead of letting others think what they want, a few have stepped up to say that DB is in violation. WHERE is that stated. It’s all conjecture!

          • WCDan

            Brahma Fan,
            Just like you did not like the idea of undue influence on the part of Diamond Bar, BHB and other WC posters weren’t too happy with the accusations that WC did this to be vindictive.
            As you tried to accuse WC posters of doing in your post above, instead of letting others think what they want, it was other posters who first threw hints or accusations that the WC staff was being vindictive, in fact the article was even leaning that way, yet that was all ok and fine with you until WC posters came to the defense of our coaches and put a different perspective on this whole mess. Always gonna be two sides of the story pal, weather you like it or not.

          • Brahma fan

            WCDan. Look where my posts started. All AFTER WC Insider misstated that DB was guilty of UNDUE INFLUENCE. Whatever went on between the kid and the school happened. But do not blame DB for this. If people want to think what they want and West Covina doesn’t like it then I understand your defense, but not at the price of laying the blame on DB. As Aram stated, DB is not accused of any wrongdoing.

  • MagnumPI

    I do agree with Aram that it is not fair to send kids to underachieving schools because of their socioeconomic status. However, this argument has merely become a scapegoat for athletes looking for greener pastures. Can anyone actually name a highly regarded high school recruit that made it to the next level after transferring to 4 different high schools? Just a thought.

    • Brahma fan

      Can’t say he’s at the next level yet, but making the Army all-star game sure gives Kurt Scoby a nice chance. So long as he makes grades. Or else Coach Jastrab at Mt. Sac will have a nice backfield with Justin Fa’aola AND Kurt Scoby next year.

  • Dan

    I see this as holding a grudge and being vindictive as to the west co coach not signing off his player that moved.Aram confirmed that west co is in dispute. What are they gaining. Nothing but messes with a young mans future. Messed up

  • Valley Athletics

    Just read the update. So the proof was the email sent to West Covina coach . With an email as proof . It will be difficult to fight it.dont know what the whole situation was . But it doesn’t look good on West Covina coach challenging the transfer .

    • Bulldogs have bite

      So you are saying Maggiore should cave into the requests of parents over playing time and other team related decisions? He was only a sophomore and got plenty of PT at QB. Patience is a virtue. Would he have stayed, he would be WC’s QB for the next two seasons! The email proves “athletically motivated” transfer. Props to Maggiore for staying within the rules and not bowing down to a parent overstepping. This sucks for Noodles, but what about the rest of his teammates and coaches he has now turned his back on for his own reasons? You want to be the QB? Then win the job outright! Najera and Hull were close in production. We suffered many injuries at RB and asked Hull to step in there. So lack of PT at QB was an issue over the “team needs”? Sounds like someone has the case of the “me first” mentality.

      • Valley Athletics

        I am saying it doesn’t look good challenging a transfer . Even if it was correct thing to do ,in other people’s view it looks vindictive .

        • Bulldogs have bite

          But this particular transfer has proof of a rules violation. What looks vindictive to some, looks like covering his own behind to others. What happens if the parent of the other QB at DB starts a fuss and it all goes back to WC for approving a transfer when they indeed had proof of an athletically motivated transfer? If dignity, loyalty, respect and team work are NOT things you want your kid to learn. Then please don’t send them to play for Maggiore and West Covina.

          • Valley Athletics

            That’s why I said I don’t know the whole story And that the email is all the proof needed . I did not say I did not Agree with west Covinas decision challenging . Just stated it doesn’t loll good because most people don’t know the whole situation . That’s a good point About the parents of other Qb starting a fuss . It could of happened .

          • Brahma fan

            Wow, so you’re saying that Maggiore is looking out for Diamond Bar?? Now that’s a class act!

          • WCDan

            Where did he say that?

      • Brahma fan

        It’s actually a smart move by West Covina. Challenge the transfer and Noodles will not get the chance to face his old team next year.

        • Bulldogs have bite

          Let me ask you this? If the kid does not want to play for Maggiore, why have Daddy send him an email to rub it all in his face? Just leave quietly with out much fuss and try not to let the door hit you on the way out. Maggiore is not looking out for Diamond Bar by reporting this transfer, he is covering his own program just in case more drama takes place at Diamond Bar. If it should be brought to the attention that Noodles was approved a transfer from West Covina when they indeed have proof of it being athletically motivated, West Covina could face ramifications and considered implicit to the violation of rule 510. Moral of the story, loose lips sinks ships.

          • Brahma fan

            Truth is neither you nor I knows when or why the father sent the e-mail in question. The same goes for why West Covina challenged the transfer. All we can theorize is as to what it looks like. You say loose lips sink ships, I say sour grapes. All I can really say as fact is that there was no indication of his impending transfer until it was already in the process. It came as a surprise to the coaches, administration, kids and parents. As for the kid, he seems to get along really well with everyone. Athletically he is gifted. And now that he is here it will be expected that the school stick up for the young man and hopefully he can play the game he seems to love.

          • Bulldogs have bite

            WRONG! It was common knowledge that Antonio was not happy at West Covina. He even lead a mid-season mutiny by convincing several players to ditch practice. They got off lucky and Maggiore only suspended them for half a game. By the end of the final game in the semi’s, everybody and their mother knew Noodles was leaving! Please, you know nothing of what transpired last season! Sour grapes you say? Hahahaha! Wc still has more talent left over to continue its yearly crushing of Diamond Bar!

          • Brahma fan

            You are correct in saying that I know nothing of what transpired at West Covina. But the more you write, the more you make it look like Maggiore did this to screw the kid and the dad. Obviously, there was animosity from both sides. Now we all know why hes challenging the transfer. Yes, by playoffs EVERYONE knew he wanted out, the same with Jones. I don’t even speculate as to why. I’m just saying that they were not recruited by the school. Every program has kids that are unhappy with the coach or coaching staffs decisions. As for te yearly crushing, you guys have a good program. Hopefully that can be a model for others to follow.

          • Bulldogs have bite

            You just want it to look like your shiny new transfer did not screw himself out of playing football. That is indeed what happened when Dad writes emails complaining about playing time and preferred positions on the field instead of GPA’s and test scores! These are not secret emails, when a parent sends a complaint email to a teacher, the email is viewed by the AD and the Principal if not other powers that be. The transfer is not being “challenged” by West Covina, West Covina just made full disclosure to CIF in the transfer form which asks for the reason of transfer. Reason: “Athletically Motivated” proof attached. Jones realized the grass is not greener on the other side and it is paying off. He picked up his first offer from San Diego State about a week or two ago with BYU, Colorado, San Jose State and others showing heavy interest.

          • Brahma fan

            The article states that ” Upon receiving the form to either sign off on Hull’s transfer or dispute it, West Covina chose to dispute it AND provided CIF with an e-mail from the dad.” If you want to paint the picture that Maggiore and Murphy are so self-righteous, then stick with it. But that’s NOT what the consensus sees. Truth be known, I don’t care much for transfers, I feel the same about loyalty to the program. In fact you can have him back and continue your yearly crushings. I appreciate the kids who show up day after day, work hard, and STAY OUT OF TROUBLE. Although, I feel bad in this particular instance because he seems like a happy young man and he gets along well with the other kids.

          • Bulldogs have bite

            They are not self righteous. But they do not need to carry the burden of this lie with them. How do you explain to your team that it’s okay to whine, cry, pout and complain until you get what you want? And then explain to them that when things don’t go the way you have planned and are tougher than expected to just bail out and go elsewhere? Why let the kid and his Dad have their way? We all should just praise his athletic talent but not care about his moral fiber? He was a really, really popular kid. His teammates loved him! He is not doing them any favors now in joining a league rival based on athletically motivated reasons. The consensus is full of people who want to see this transfer mess done away with. But the realists know that what Maggiore and Murphy are doing are in the best interests of their kids and school.

          • Brahma fan

            Why do you let it bother you so much that he left or let the dad and his kid have their way. Apparently, he’s a pain in the a$$! I’m okay if he plays somewhere else. We have our own players who work hard and STAY OUT OF TROUBLE. The parents are proud of them, even more so that they can pick themselves up after your yearly crushings (hahaha) and continue to play hard and NEVER QUIT. You should really read your own comments because doing the right thing and working hard doesn’t always trump whining, crying, pouting, and complaining in the real world.

          • Bulldogs have bite

            Working hard in the real world and doing the right thing will and always has trumped whining, crying, pouting and complaining in the real world. Those who found mild success in the real world by whining, crying, pouting and complaining have never worked hard enough to land in a position in life where hard work and doing the right thing is appreciated. It’s none of your business why it bothers me so much. Maybe I just don’t like seeing cheaters win? Maybe just once I want to see helicopter parents finally crash on their face for their meddling in the structure of a team environment? Maybe I feel bad for the kids left behind at West Covina who would’ve went to war for this kid only to have him stab them in the back?

          • Brahma fan

            Obviously, you’ve never worked in civil service. Keep hating my friend, hopefully that helicopter doesn’t crash down on you. See you at your last yearly crushing of us. Charter Oak will turn that table.

          • Jack

            That’s because he is not a pain in the a$$. He is a very respectful kid.

          • Brahma fan

            True, from what I have seen and heard from the kids he seems like a very nice like able young man.

          • Jack

            No one did any whining except for the coaches

          • Jack

            Wow you must be one of those parents that did not like Antonio.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            based off your statement, all morerreason to believe wc is being vengrful! sinceyoutrbasically saying wc doesnt needhim

          • Bulldogs have bite

            It’s about ethics Patrick. If you withheld information related to a violation, it makes you just as guilty as the person violating the rule. West Covina has no need to participate in this charade of moving and financial distress yada!yada!yada! It is simply about playing time and football, nothing more, nothing less. Why play games with CIF? Why lie and help someone who has no interest but to help himself? It’s not about revenge, it’s about not sacrificing your dignity and moral code by participating in this act. The truth is out now. Until “athletically motivated” verbage is completely stricken from the rule book, we have to follow the rules to the letter! We don’t need him, it’s true. But the email crying about playing time and position preference was not needed either. They should of just picked up and left and none of this would have ever happened.

          • Brahma fan

            If you want to stick with the ethics argument then stop using the “lets just say” insinuations towards Diamond Bar. There are NO allegations of Undue influence by the school.

          • Bulldogs have bite

            There are no insinuations in this case sadly. I do not want to name names, but the phone calls are very real. Nothing came of it, so it’s no big deal now. But please do not go pointing the finger at West Covina when there are things that don’t sit right in your own backyard. The undue influence may have not come from the school or the administration, but there is somebody out there ACTIVELY recruiting players to Diamond Bar.

          • Brahma fan

            SADLY? Don’t want to name names? What is not right in my own backyard? Why not name names? If the ethics bother you so much, lay it out on the table for everyone to see! Please show me where I am unjustifiably pointing the finger at West Covina. I wasn’t the one who wrote the article. I’m pretty sure Aram didn’t graduate from DB. I came on here to defend Diamond Bar of the accusations posted by numerous bloggers of UNDUE INFLUENCE regarding the transfer of young Mr. Hull. If his dad wrote something to the school then unfortunately, the boy will suffer the consequences, just as CIF has ruled. But don’t get your panties in a wad because of the outlook people will have over West Covinas decision to forward an e-mail showing that his transfer was academically motivated. If Snoop is out there recruiting kids for Diamond Bar, it’s not really working then is it? Where are all the transfers? He’s not paying my bills to have my kid play there, or anyone else’s. His kids will get recruited whether or not we win championships or miss the playoffs.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            are you an administrator?? who are you to be privileged to such information?? your talking about phonecalls, how do you know what was said???

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            You know the saying, “Put up or shut up” your just leading everybody into speculation! Therefore i speculate Maggiore disputed transfer because he is bitter and vindictive!, THERE! is that better! We’re all even now!..On to 5′o clock news!

          • Jack

            Stop spreading false information.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            Thats hearsay! Your bringing in facts that you cant prove!

          • Jack

            How do you know that”daddy” wrote a letter to rub in the coaches face?

          • Jack

            If you knew what you were talking about you would know that the letter didn’t say any of that

      • Jack

        Your wrong again! You don’t even know the kid or his parents.

  • Brahma fan

    It does not say anything in this article about Diamond Bar “not Challenging” C.I.F.’s decision to deny Antonio Hull’s transfer. Nor does it state anywhere that “the young man made pre-enrollment contact with the school and football coach.” It DOES state that West Covina (Coach Maggiore and Athletic Director Murphy) has decided to dispute the transfer because of an e-mail sent by Hull’s father. Don’t blame the school or administration for the young man transferring.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      the Hulls never stated intention to move in the letter! many parents communicate their dissatisfaction s in such a manner, but does every parent bail?? no

      • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

        I think the letter has to prove Hulls intention to move, if not, its irrelevant!

  • Dogtown

    I would like to pass on what i know (facts) i won’t do that because it will get to personal with family. The actual situation that did transpire was very clear. All i can say is Westco was honest and truthfull on how they handled it. The ruling thus far by CIF is just. For anyone to contradict Wesco’s decision making without knowing the fact is assanine. Aram this is bush league reporting, funny thing idiots are buying it.

    • Dan

      Hey Dogtown
      It might help you in your future to learn how to spell

      • WCDan

        Hey Dan,
        You have the name I used on here for years, please do me the favor and ease up on the personal attacks, it’s not my style and people will think it’s me.
        Aram & Fred, this is why the old usernames should have been allowed to be grandfathered in.

        • AMAT 73

          WC Dan,
          We definetly know that was not you . Even if you disagree with what WC did you would present it in different manner .

    • Jack

      Dog town really! You haven’t got a clue

    • Brahma fan

      That’s because you really don’t know $###! If you’ve got Evidence then come forth with it!

  • bulldogfan

    It seems like the only people that know the HOLE STORY are talking today. Yes some of us know bits and pieces through our own ears. It’s as simple as this; CIF would have NOT have ruled this way if they did not have the PROOF. Justin Hornsby was not allowed to play at WC due to a CIF ruling. Yes, the Hornsby family filed an appeal that was not successful. So what did Justin do? Worked hard, had a good outlook, with a good attitude, great team mate, waited his time then played. I hope the Hull family can do the same and hope the best for Antonio.

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    Cif is so unpredictable. Sometimes you get to pass go, and sometimes you don’t. This is another example of why it’s risky to transfer. 5 games is a lot lose your jr year, which is your recruitment year. It’s always best to just change your address, move and keep your communications and/or reasons for leaving to yourself. I myself think you should be able to transfer whenever and wherever you like. I do not agree with forcing anyone to stay where they don’t want to be. In this situation, West Co would have to throw a tantrum since noodles transferred to a school within the same league. That move would surely give DB an advantage based upon his knowledge of the WC offense and defense, and the fact that he is good too. League implications, are not taken lightly by either side. The best thing to do is research, think long and hard about what position you want to play, and pick the right school for you. I think Noodles parents sent him to a Wesco, where the coach is strictly a “team” guy. His team does not need a superstar QB to win. Just a steady guy. They won back to back with a steady guy. West co does need athletes and RBs. Really Noodles had his whole freshman year to look at the program…I am not sure why they thought Maggorie would change the the whole scheme for one guy? Well…the SGV parents and kids should think about it before you pull the Transfer Trigger. If you misfire, that’s 5 games…

    • bulldogfan

      Well said! Spoken like someone how understands the game and has most likely coached the game. The grass is always greener until your on that side of the fence.

  • Aaron

    So who is confirming that they used an email from Mr Hull? West Covina or CIF, because saying such is slander and libel…if it’s true then it is not, but using an unnamed source is not a good idea when publishing such information.

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      West Covina. And the player. Come on Aaron, I would expect this “libel and slander” crap from people who like to throw such things around loosely because they have no idea what it actually means or when and how it actually applies. But you?

      • Aaron

        I’m just throwing it out there. I but if you say West Covina showed the email to CIF…well shame on Mr. Hull for giving them evidence.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      Neither is accusing one side of recruting when you dont have names!

  • EJ

    Is Kurt Scoby ineligible too? Keep hearing rumors? Is he cleared yet at Monrovia?

    • Jimmy the Greek

      Different situation for Scoby, my guess is that he has had several people advising his guardian on how to circumvent CIF transfer rules. I would be very surprised to hear that anyone left a smoking gun in the form of an email, or text which could come back and bite him in the a**.

  • Not So Fast My Friend

    I agree with Aram, the rule is unenforceable.

    I can understand
    CIF and their ruse of nobility in ensuring fairness and that athletic
    programs at the various schools don’t become hoarders of talent.
    However, what’s missed in their nobility is that it happens anyway.
    Kids will always want to go where the opportunity is better, be it by
    chance or by fact. Proactive parents will always look for the best
    environment with their child or children, be it thru sports or
    academics. On one end, being very simple about it, no one cries or
    complains when a parent chooses to move their kid from one school to
    another because of better academics, but they always cry and complain
    when it comes to sports.

    My issue, however, is with West Covina, their coaches, and their administrators. Obviously the coaches
    are mad about Noodles leaving and went crying to the AD, who filed the
    challenge. Rather than wish the player well and be done, they’ve shown
    how vindictive and spiteful they are. Ultimately, and in one idiotic
    act, they’ve shown their true colors. That said, even if Noodles does
    have to sit (I hope he wins his appeal), West Covina obviously wasn’t
    the program for him because they cared nothing for the kid, just his
    talent.

    BTW, IMHO there is nothing “noble” about CIF.

    • Jimmy the Greek

      Actually, the rule is clear and is completely enforceable. In fact the rule is currently being enforced as we speak. The rule is in place in an attempt by CIF to protect athletes from being moved from school to school for athletic reason and thus creating an unstable academic environment. Will the rule stop all transfers, no. The rule won’t even stop a majority of transfers, but it will help to prevent the me,me,me parents from openly trying to run the program from the grand stands. There are rules in place for everything we do in life and rules should and do apply to all, including selfish parents.

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        I agree. It is what it is. However, when a school challenges it because a player wants to leave, then – to me – that belittles them.

        The language “Athletically Motivated” is broad and encompassing. For example, take a player whose exceptionally talented and for some reason, he and the head coach of whatever program don’t get along. The parent decides to transfer the player to another program that’s a better fit coaching wise and to the shock and awe of everyone else, academically as well. A school can use the “Athletically Motivated” stamp to suspend that player’s eligibility. That makes it a useful tool for spiteful coaches and administrators.

        I’m sure you’re referring to Noodles parent’s as being selfish. I don’t think anytime a parent is proactive in A. taking action that’s in the best interest of their child or B. protecting the interest of their child should be labeled as such.

        Based on the limited information that’s been made public, the father clearly disagrees with the manner in which his son was coached and how his son was played. The parent and the player should have the choice to find a better fit. Precluding them from being able to do that is by using that in the manner that West Covina has, quite frankly, exposes both West Covina and CIF to a potential lawsuit. How so? I don’t believe the father at any given point in his email mentioned a coach wanting his son to come to Diamond Bar, did he?

        BTW, as the world is full of rules, so it is with “me, me, me, me” people and “me-to’s.” lol

        • Jimmy the Greek

          The email sent (as reported) meets the exact definition of the new rule “Athletically Motivated” The email does not need to contain anything related to another school. In fact, sending an email, letter, text message or any other communication in writing or on video is about the only way that CIF can label a transfer as “Athletically Motivated” Any lawsuit, under the circumstance as reported, will fail. Rules are rules and they apply to all, even the primmadonnas.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

            Have YOU seen the report? IF so, why do you have privaledge??

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      Granted he DOES have his senior yr!

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        Yes he does.

  • Not So Fast My Friend

    I agree with Aram, the rule is unenforceable.

    I can understand
    CIF and their ruse of nobility in ensuring fairness and that athletic
    programs at the various schools don’t become hoarders of talent.
    However, what’s missed in their nobility is that it happens anyway.
    Kids will always want to go where the opportunity is better, be it by
    chance or by fact. Proactive parents will always look for the best
    environment with their child or children, be it thru sports or
    academics. On one end, being very simple about it, no one cries or
    complains when a parent chooses to move their kid from one school to
    another because of better academics, but they always cry and complain
    when it comes to sports.

    My issue, however, is with West
    Covina, their coaches, and their administrators. Obviously the coaches
    are mad about Noodles leaving and went crying to the AD, who filed the
    challenge. Rather than wish the player well and be done, they’ve shown
    how vindictive and spiteful they are. Ultimately, and in one idiotic
    act, they’ve shown their true colors. That said, even if Noodles does
    have to sit (I hope he wins his appeal), West Covina obviously wasn’t
    the program for him because they cared nothing for the kid, just his
    talent.

    BTW, IMHO, there is nothing “noble” about CIF.

    • bulldogfan

      If DB was asked by the cif what they new about a player transferring out would you expect the to tell the TRUTH? I hope you would. We are trying to raise good young men with values. Not just win games.
      Coach Maggiore has an obligation to his ENTIRE program to follow cif by the book. I hope DB will do the same.
      We do wish good luck to Antonio and his family.

      • Brahma fan

        Nicely worded sir! There is no mention of rules violations by DB in the article. And I do hope that the school continues to follow the rules. However, “WCInsider”and “Bulldogs have bite” have stated otherwise. “Let’s just say, I don’t want to name names, we all know, and I know this but I don’t want to say” are all damaging statements. Yet West Covina fans have stated that Aram does not have West Covinas side of the story. Some even go as far as to accuse HIM of SLANDER and LIABLE. just like you are saying, get the facts straight. The truth will come out. The young man has been denied his eligibility. Everything is going by the rules.

        • Not So Fast My Friend

          Hopefully the truth will come out. But I stand by what I said earlier. Only in athletics will you find “athletically motivated” used to deny a kid participating in a sport.

          So I guess kids that transfer schools that compete on the debate team should have their transfers challenged for being “Academically Motivated.” ROFL LMFAO!

          • AMAT 73

            NSFMF,

            Actually since education is the first reason for a student to be at school per CIF , transferring for a better academic enviroment ( better debate team , better academics ) the student would be within their rights and who’s to declare said student ineligible , debating does not fall under CIF jursidiction . .HAHAHAHA

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Dont tell CIF the debate team isn’t! Lol

            I’m going to drop that line of speaking before they get any wild azz ideas. Lol

        • OuttaYourMindTrib

          It’s actually libel.

          “Journalists” accused of libel or slander are almost never convicted.

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        Bulldogfan – you and I both know it doesn’t work that way. West Covina after getting the transfer paperwork filed their objection (or challenge) Unless they have CONCRETE EVIDENCE meaning a coach said this and a coach said that about the player, then the email from an upset parent wouldn’t hold a Dixie cup of camel urine. Case in point, when challenged legally, the CIF loses almost 90% (+/-). To defend themselves it cost them millions, which is in part the genesis of the 30 day rule sit out rule.

        Noodles father, could in fact, if he had the money, take them to court and guess what, he’d win.

        Since a lot of people think Snoop himself is behind Noodles transferring, then follow the money. Lol Noodles dad shows up wi some Beverly Hills, $900 an hour attorney then you’ll know for certain.

        Of course you’d want any school to be honest, but you want that honesty built on facts, not conjecture. West Co, it appears from what’s been revealed publicaly so far, sounds like that.

        • Jimmy the Greek

          Please note the bylaw 206 (10) as written in the CIF Bluebook – please pay attention to the last bullet point.

          Blue Book bylaw 206 (10) Athletically Motivated Valid Change of Residence

          If a student completes a valid change of residence as provided in Bylaw 206.C.(1-5), a student may not be

          eligible to participate at the varsity level if there is evidence the move was athletically motivated or the

          student enrolled in that school in whole or in part for athletic reasons (See Bylaw 200; 510.B.-G.)

          Question: What is meant by an athletically motivated move or transfer?

          Answer: Based on the CIF philosophy that the “student attend school to receive an education fi rst; athletic participation is secondary”

          [Bylaw 200.A.(2)], individual Section Offi ces may limit eligibility for a student when there is evidence the transfer,

          or move is made to acquire athletic participation at School B. Such evidence of an athletically motivated move may

          be, but is not limited to:

          • Evidence of parental or student dissatisfaction with a coach or a coaching decision at the former school item #10

          The email that Mr. Hull sent Coach M is textbook what not to do when transferring your kid for athletic reasons. The most important part about the bullet point is the part that says “evidence” of parental dissatisfaction. The email that was sent meets this criteria to a tee. Also, when CIF chooses to fight one of their rulings threw the entire court proceedings they prevail at a percentage well above 50%. In the most recent past CIF has often chosen to negotiate with the athlete instead of fighting the case due to lack of funds. Before this case can even get to the courts the Hull family will need to go the way of the appeals process 1st, only then can the Hull family begin to play the game of “who is willing to spend more money on litigation”

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Great post!

            However, Mr. Hull and his $900 an hour attorney (paid for by someone else. lol) would have a field day challenging that bylaw language – and would win in court.

            The term alone, “dissatisfaction” can take many forms. Based on the language “athletically motivated” is broad and ambiguous. Why? It presents and arbitrary barrier to a student athlete being able to move to a more advantageous situation. That’s what it’s designed to do. However, being broad, it also restricts a student athlete to a situation that my be the complete opposite. A player may have talent to play but for various other reasons, better players in front, hostile coach and/or coaching staff, etc. the rule, in essence, forbids a player from transferring to a school where they will have the opportunity. How is this fair to the kid? How is that equitable? By rule, by language, the CIF is putting their hand, palm facing outwards into the face of parents and players. I could point out, in great detail, all of the possible lines of attack against “that rule.” But we don’t have the space or the time to read it.

            Even with Hull’s father sending an email complaining about the use, coaching style, etc WC used in coaching or playing Noodles (which wasn’t very smart mind you), that could easily be mitigated by the father’s frustration, aggravation and characterized, in the proper hands, as evidence why the father moved his child.

            The CIF tries to settle a lot of these cases out of court because 1. It costs them much needed money and resources that could be used elsewhere and 2. It opens their Bylaws to being routinely examined and even more, questioned. 3. Keep in mind, the CIF is not the NCAA. Athletes don’t sign waivers upon entering high school that subjugates their rights and folds them into the NCAA governing body.

            So yes the rule worked as designed. Yes, Mr. Hull probably shouldn’t have sent that email. However, if Mr. Hull had the financial wherewithal, CIF’s denial could be challenged and Mr. Hull would prove successful.

      • Jack

        West Covina cares nothing about these kids. Or is it that he cares nothing about Black kids hummm

        • WCDan

          Jack,
          Apply your own standards to yourself, for you too speak out of ignorance.

          • Jack

            Do I speak out of ignorance or FACTs

          • WCDan

            You speak out of ignorance my friend, because if you knew Maggiore you wouldn’t say those things about him. He doesn’t see color when it comes to helping out the kids.

          • Jack

            Ha ha ha he may not see color but the other coaches do. Proof is in the pudding.

        • tor eckman

          And there it is- the race card; you should be so proud of yourself.

  • Lance R

    You can bet Snoop Lion is behind this. Why would he not want to recruit using his name and star status to get better players around his kids team and senior year. As for the transfer rule I don’t get it all of that nonsense just let them transfer as long as they can prove they live in that schools area. There should be no suspensions of games for any individual. Where your legal guardian or your parents live is where you play. In this case if Noodles lives in Pomona he should have to play for Pomona not Diamond Bar. The only way he can play for Diamond bar should be if mom or dad live there and if Snoop Lion wants him so bad he can rent that apartment for dad in Diamond bar so noodles can play there.

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      You may be on to something, but I doubt Snoop reached down to pull Noodles to Diamond Bar. It usually doesn’t work that way. More often than not, these kids all know each other via playing youth sports together or against each other. More often than not, the first wave is the kids that ** cough, cough ** recruit other kids to their school(s).

      • Lance R

        I read between the lines there my Friend but he played in Snoop’s Compton League as a youth and now he winds up at Snoop’s Kids High School??? too fishy… Phone call “yo noodles waz happening? tell me whats popping?” shizo nizzo come on over to Diamond bar and play with my boy” they aint doing jack for you over there at wez covina… come on over here, I promise you we will take care of everything. Money talks, Celebrity on the phone to you. This is a recruitment that can never be proven but this will be close enough to why he opted out of W.C. All Snoop Lion has to do is buy a Apartment complex in Diamond bar and he has all the addresses he needs to recruit the top tier players in and around the SGV.

        • Brahma fan

          Holy S##t! That’s a GREAT idea! Thanks Lance.

          • Brahma fan

            Just got a text from Snoop! He’s looking into the building AND buying a new charter bus for the school. Taking applications, be sure to include a highlight tape of your kid. One little extra, the back office will be where we place the Pharmacy! All residents get a free 420 card.

          • Lance R

            Change the school name..It is no longer Diamond Bar it is now call Diamond Bud.

          • Brahma fan

            We’ll change our colors to Green and white.

          • Lance R

            Half dog half lion mascot.

          • Lance R

            Brahmarijuana

        • Jack

          Ignorance will get you nowhere

          • Lance R

            Being Naive with tunnel vision and denial gets you everywhere you want to go right Jack? Hull to Diamond Bar is as foul as it gets.

        • http://www.facebook.com/wildozer Livingston William

          As far as snoop douchebag goes, he is losing his interest in the football team he set up for his kids. I am sure he will buy his way onto the SC squad next. A case study in money talks.

          • Lance R

            Finally someone who gets it. D’Bar may be a little better this season but they will not be hoisting a Banner in football anytime soon. They need to keep winning that Branding Iron from Walnut H.S. every year if that is what your season is about not to mention a win Snoop can brag about.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      I think snoop wanted this kid go go to Dbar a long time ago. I think the Hulls made a mistake by not going to where they had ties, since they played in the snoop football league. This happens to SGV kids all the time…they play for one organization blow up, then try to go to another city only to go back to where they had ties.. Because it did not work out exactly as they wanted… I think the west co coach is a stand up guy, and probably kept his end of the understanding. The Hulls thought he should get a different treatment. .We are starting to see this at Monrovia. kids come back after going elsewhere…

      • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

        GP,

        When Noodles was a frosh, Snoop’s kid was at LB Poly. So your theory is blown out.

        Also, Noodles had tons of private schools on his jock when he was an 8th grader. Just an FYI.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          yeah, but snoop’s son was not getting any Playing time over there, and it was no secret that he was heading to Dbar, Ayala, ETC…well that’s what was going around the passing leagues circuit. Plus Snoops league is right there in the Pomona Area…It was just theory, but Since they are a year behind each other, I am sure snoop had his eye on this kid especially or threw some ideas around. Just a theory but I think that there were some hood influence going on. However, I don’t think anyone has Hull as a QB….If private schools were jocking, it was for another position.

          • dbarguy

            Broadus and Bell are in the same grade as Hull. All three will be Juniors this coming year. Broadus and Bell wanted to attend DBar, with the same kids that they attended Middle School with, from the beginning. Broadus older brother was a Senior at LBP during Cordells’ Freshmen year but was not getting much play time. Meanwhile Cordell and Kenya where the 2 best players on the LBP Freshmen team. For whatever reason Snoop changed his mind and allowed Cordell and Kenya to transfer back to their hometown school halfway into their Freshmen Football Season.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Thanks, I stand corrected about their grades…However that makes it more plausible that they wanted these three to go to school together…however…I guess that what I get for using passing league info from poly guys who swore Cordell would not see the field at poly… I guess they were hating on snoops Son. So I too fall victim from hearsay from time to time. Like I said I thought Broadus could start at poly now. Thanks for clearing that up….

          • Bad info

            Maybe what those guys where trying to say is that he would not have started at Poly as a Freshmen or Sophomore do to the abundance of talent, but I’m pretty sure that he could crack the starting lineup now.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Bad info you are correct..I guess JV or bench warming was not in the plans for Broadus and Bell. It worked out for them bc they are both D1 prospects now…

          • Valley Athletics

            Most kids that attended southe pointe middle school with them went to walnut high . Isaiah Thompson is the only player that went to south pointe . Isiah attended Amat his freshmen year . My nephews at walnut are friends with Cordell and Kenya from middle school . There mom also had a big part in them returning close to home .

          • Brahma fan

            That is not entirely accurate. Half of those kids are at Walnut and the other half are at Diamond Bar.

          • Valley Athletics

            Brandon rice was one of the other kids but he transfered to servite . The majority went to walnut . Khalil Mohammed also from south pointe went to rancho but he moved early 8th grade . These are the athletes my nephew remembers.

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        I agree. Kids are different today than many moons ago. They want to play and given the window is short, they want to be where the opportunities are high. It’s no different than what we see in college now. Kids aren’t interested in going to a school where the chance of sitting on the bench for three years is greater than the chance to play. Hence the rise in small schools being able to compete with big schools.

      • Jack

        Stand up guy? Yeah right. This was done out of spite.

      • AMAT 73

        GP,
        Snoop had his son enrolled at LBP and that’s where he wanted him to play , his alma mater so to speak . He did take a tour at AMAT but I don’t know what happened after that . Probably knew he couldn’t buy his way on to the Poly team and they went looking for greener pastures bypassing Monrovia’s ( ha ha ha ) and found DB .Just a little humor on the greener pastures no harm meant .

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          hahah good one…hahaha.. well turns out it work for him because his son got a chance to develop. Now he has offers. and could start at poly now. However commuting from DBAR to lbc everyday must have been crazy. Snoop Made the right choice. I think hull got caught at wesco after the ring party and now wants out….well…well…well.

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      That’s genius, Lance R. Do you know what kind of edge you just gave private schools? If public school kids HAVE TO stay home and private school kids can live anywhere, then you just made it more slanted than it already is.

      • Lance R

        Aram all my above kidding aside, money is the root of all evil and tuition and a paid education gives you that right. Transfer in transfer out no one cares as long as Monsignor Carroll over at Amat is selling out the house come football season not to mention his case of Chateau La Fleet 1982 Cab is on order every year. Amat gets recruits and loses recruit every season but the coin is what drives it and because of tough time it is driving it down not up due to tighter budgets for parents. We dont have anymore big name studs coming there anymore those days are over. As for the public schools if your a homer, live there, then that’s where you play. CIF will not let up on all this especially since that’s the way the school gets paid through enrollment. What do we want? go where you want to play guidelines for sports. You would have a stacked Miami Heat High School public sports team somewhere. As for the punishment of making a transfer sit that has followed the rules and did in fact move into a schools area I am against. He should start playing immediately. Right when he enrolls he is eligible game one or game five of a season.

    • Jack

      You don’t know what your talking about

      • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

        lol

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      but his grandmother does live in Db!

      • Lance R

        Then if she enrolls him and is a acting guardian of him then it is on he plays game one. Loop holes are there to exploit when it comes to HS football. Snoop ran his own league he has a vested interest to see his kids HS team do well this season. Even though his kid has already been given a offer he still wants to see a winner on the field on Friday nights. I mean how long has it been since D’bar put a decent team on the field that competed. This could be the year they make noise given the fact Snoop Dogg son is there meaning snoop dogg and his money / involvement will be there also. Whats there line like? because without one those stars may not pan out.

  • bulldogfan

    Aram please excuse the question if you have already covered it. Are you going to talk to Coach Maggiore and (or) A.D. Murphy to see if they will share an accurate accounting of the time line for this issue, then will you please make a statement to that effect? I believe that will shed light on the truth. And not so much he said she said.

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      Already spoke to Coach Murphy. What’s not accurate about the timeline?

      • Brahma fan

        Aram,
        So is Diamond Bar being accused of UNDUE INFLUENCE regarding his transfer?

        • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

          Not at all. This is a plain and simple “athletically motivated” ruling because West Covina provided CIF with a letter/email from Noodles’ dad saying as much.

          Now show me a transfer that isn’t athletically motivated. I’m waiting …

          West Covina had the goods on Noodles and decided to use them. You think that’s cool or fair or hypocritical? That’s up to you.

          • Brahma fan

            Thanks Aram, I’m done playing he said she said. Maggiore and Co. were spiteful and vindictive when it comes to players leaving their program, PLAIN AND SIMPLE! Funny how they weren’t turning over e-mails when Jones transferred over from Diamond Ranch.

          • Dan

            All the above. West co is not fair, not cool to do that to a kid and hypocritical. All because a kid had to move. I still say shame on them.

  • Dogtown

    @ WC Dan
    Sorry about the mix up with other Dan I should have known better you have always come on here and stated your opinion with class and knowledge my bad.

  • OuttaYourMindTrib

    Finally somebody gets nailed. Suck it up, kid, perhaps you’ll weigh the consequences of your actions in the future? If your Jr. year is “co critical” why gamble? I know, because the girls at CIF rarely enforce the rules and the odds were in your favor.

    One transfer down, one more high profile transfer to go and CIF will have at least gained a shred of respect.

    • Jack

      Tell your kid to go suck it up!

      • OuttaYourMindTrib

        None of my kids have played since last century, SO Noodles should suck it up and accept his punishment for breaking the rules.

        • Jack

          Lol you must have nothing better to do with your time. And further more the kid can’t check himself out of school so why would you say that he needs to be punished. You don’t know what these parents may be going through.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            What else is a retired guy interested in local football to do? I probably see 25-30 High School Games a year in the SGV and IE every year.

            I’m fairly certain these parents must be “going through” the “my baby should…”. Or else why transfer? It’s not like the kid was lacking playing time, his prospects were still decent for playing on Saturdays somewhere. WC’s Coaches (and a LOT of other people) don’t think he’s a QB. I share that opinion. Pretty simple. I’m pretty sure if you look at D1~NAIA, he’s in the bottom 10-20% for height. That’s a REAL problem on Saturdays. If he’s a team’s only option(as was the case when the other QB was out on injury), that’s a completely separate matter. Presumably WC felt, they had a better option at the position.

            You are right though, the kid is getting punished for what was presumably helicopter mommy and daddy’s decision, kind of unfortunate, but ultimately, the (bad) decision was made and the punishment must be served. Who knows if there was undue influence, there’s certainly no paper trail to that effect at least that any of us know of, but mommy and daddy’s angst was written in an e-mail thus providing a smoking gun and now, he must sit.

          • Jack

            Say what you want about the kid and his parents. The truth will come out one way or another. The kid was taller than the starting QB so what have you got to say about that?

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            No arm, no footwork, lack of vision, still not a real QB and still not going to play the position on Saturday ANYWHERE. That’s what I have to say about that.

            If his (his coaches and most likely the parents too) goal was to get him scholarship to play on Saturday, he should probably get experience at the position he most likely will play. Mommys and daddys always want their babies to be the QB. There’s 11 spots on the field, find where you belong and play there.

          • Jack

            Ha ha ha if that was the case there would not be all this fuss about a kid who has no arm and no footwork

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            He’s fast and you can’t coach speed. You either have it or you don’t.

    • Brahma fan

      So: (adverb) 1 a : in a manner or way indicated or suggested —often used as a substitute for a preceding clause b : in the same manner or way : also

  • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

    Here is a story than ran in the San Clarity Valley Signal last year when the 30-day sit-out period was introduced with comments from Wigod and Simmons. Reading it I can’t help but wonder how Antonio Hull wouldn’t quality under the the new rules, his worst case scenario being a 30-day sit-out period.

    However, in the story it says, “Simmons said the rule would apply to this coming school year and could be reviewed in the future.” So, is the future now? Is Hull now operating under a different set of rules, which are the old set of rules. Very confusing.

    Here’s the story from last year
    SIGNAL: Over the last year, the biggest hot-button issue in Santa Clarita Valley sports has been transfers.

    After a vote that took place Wednesday in Long Beach at the CIF-Southern
    Section Council meeting, the temperature is only going to rise.

    The Council, made up of representatives from leagues within the Southern
    Section including the Foothill League, voted 41-40 to endorse a revision
    of CIF transfer rules. That rule would change the sit-out period for
    transfers from one year to 30 days.

    Southern Section
    representatives will now vote in favor of the proposal on May 4 at a
    meeting of the State Federated Council in San Jose.

    “This will
    change high school athletics more dramatically than any other rule that
    we’ve had in some time in my opinion,” said Valencia High athletic
    director Brian Stiman, who has been one of the valley’s most outspoken
    opponents of students transferring schools for what he believes are
    athletic purposes.

    Stiman reasons that 30 days is not a penalty and it will allow private schools, which Foothill League coaches and
    administrators have accused of poaching local talent from the area, to
    recruit.

    He also said that it could also encourage recruiting within the Foothill League’s schools.

    The
    Foothill League’s athletic directors were unanimously against the rule
    change and thus voted against it, according to West Ranch athletic
    director Dody Garcia, who is also the Foothill’s secretary and was at
    the meeting Wednesday.

    “I don’t like it. I think it’s a bad
    rule,” Garcia said. “I think it opens things up for transfers and more
    problems. It’s the equivalent to high school free agency.”

    If passed on May 4, the new rule would take effect July 1.

    Fall
    transfers would be eligible to play Oct. 1, winter transfers would be
    eligible Dec. 31 and spring transfers would be eligible April 1 — which
    would all coincide with the beginning of league play.

    In Wednesday’s Council agenda, CIF-Southern Section Commissioner Rob Wigod gave his support to changing the sit-out rule.

    Wigod
    wrote: “We typically do not take positions on rules proposals because
    our governance at the Section level is based upon our leagues and/or our
    Sport Advisory Committees making the rules, not those of us who work
    for the CIF-Southern Section. However as the Commissioner of the
    CIF-Southern Section, in my capacity as a member of the Commissioner’s
    Committee, I take on a different role in relation to our section when
    rules proposals come forward from that committee. I have a
    responsibility to take a position on the rules changes that have been
    forwarded to you because I am a part of the group who formulated them.
    Therefore I want to be clear in letting you know that I support these
    rules changes and would like you to support them as well when your
    league votes on April 25.”

    Thom Simmons, director of
    communications for the Southern Section, acknowledged that legal fees
    have helped lead to this rule change.

    In the agenda, it was
    reported that the CIF as a whole has had legal expenses of $750,008 as
    of March 20, 2012 for the 2011-12 school year.

    In 2010-11, the fees totalled $1,197,961.

    Simmons said he understood how there would be dissatisfaction to one side and support from another side on the rule change.

    “Some
    people think it opens the floodgates for massive transfers, some feel
    it’s not restrictive. There are different schools of thought,” Simmons
    said. “Fifteen years ago, there was the open enrollment rule change.
    That didn’t kill Western Civilization. The nice thing about this is if
    it doesn’t work, there’s a mechanism in place to change the rule. We
    could go back.”

    Simmons said the rule would apply to this coming school year and could be reviewed in the future.

    Within the rule, students would only be allowed to have a sit-out period once in their high school career.

    If they transfer twice, they will have to sit out a year from varsity competition.

    Students who transfer citing a hardship will have to provide “strong documentation from both the school and family.”

    The CIF-SS also argues that this will not increase transfers.

    The
    transfer data it has for 2011-12 as of March 16, 2012, shows that 1.6
    percent of CIF participating student-athletes are transfers.

    Locally,
    students will still have to get the William S. Hart Union High School
    District to sign off on the transfer and show that their transfer is not
    athletically motivated.

    Stiman said that won’t stop kids from transferring for athletic reasons.

    “Unfortunately
    now what you’ll have is if someone is upset or disappointed, they don’t
    like a particular offense or style of play, they’ll pack up and leave,”
    Stiman said. “The sense of loyalty is going completely out the door.”

  • Jack

    I wonder how many on here REALLY know what happen between Antonio and West Covina’s coaching staff.

  • DRanchMan

    I have a question, If Hulls moved to Pomona and went to Diamond Ranch (in Pomona Unified) instead of Diamond Bar would he still be intelligible?

    • Brahma fan

      Maggiore would’ve used the same e-mail to shoot that down too! Funny how he didn’t think twice when Jones transferred out of DRanch. He wasn’t about to let that kid leave without a parting shot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/charley.joyce.3 Charley Joyce

    why yes…let anyone transfer at anytime anywhere….one week play for WC the next week BP…share the wealth..pad the stats…who needs f****** rules….obviously these future brain surgeons are being guided by “people” with only the best intentions…oh wait…all the future Nobel prize/Rhodes can continue to play any and all sports at whatever school(s) they transfer to, with no problems…just on the JV level…..why don’t we have the priorities in oreder here?

  • http://www.facebook.com/wildozer Livingston William

    You know, he COULD stay where he was. At WC. and played football. Instead- over playing time, he transfers and may lose out. oh well- why is it that he can’t follow his coach’s orders? But I guess that is just so 20th century.

  • MagnumPI

    @Aram…How is the athletically motivated transfer rule not enforceable? Didn’t CIF just enforce it with Hull? I don’t understand why people keep defending this kid. He clearly broke a CIF rule and the proof was in an email. It appears this would be an open and shut case.

    • MagnumPI

      I would side more with Hull if he was to enroll at Diamond Ranch, since that is within the district he resides in.

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      Because the overwhelming majority of transfers are athletically motivated. The problem is that CIF can only enforce the rule when one of the school’s actually has PROOF… in this case an email from Noodles’ dad.

      • MagnumPI

        I agree with you on that. Most transfers are athletically motivated. Most never get caught. In this case, I believe CIF got it right. Hull burned himself with that email. I don’t think you could blame CIF or West Covina on this.

  • Dan

    He moved and he had to transfer. West co was angry and got back at him. It is not right. Would they do the same to a tennis player, did they have it done with the transfers they got. No. Bottom line, it isn’t right and still think it was out of anger.

  • Valley Athletics

    When Eric bunte from Santa margarita transfered to mission viejo he was allowed to play with out sitting . His situation was pretty similar . He had quoted to scout . Com that he thought he could not grow at santa margarita and pretty much stated he was not getting along with coach . Was the difference that Santa margarita did not challenge or they actually moved to the area .

  • tor eckman

    “you have a kid whose main goal in life right now is to play football at the next level”- shouldn’t his main goal, and that of his parents, to be a good education? What a pathetic slant on life you have.

    • OuttaYourMindTrib

      I think the main goal at this moment should be to learn to deal/cope with adversity. Then again this is the 21st century and there are no such thing as life lessons anymore. It’s all about “getting what’s yours”.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        I agree…back in the day, there was a lot more neighborhood pride. Kids dreamed of growing up and playing for the school where they live, where their friends go etc… Maybe because parents living situations and places of employment are not as stable, kids follow suit. With More renters than homeowners, that really makes it easy for parents to move from city just for high school sports. People are not rooting in their communities nor do they want to get rooted in another… Especially if moves happen 2 or more times in a kids high school career. I am not against transferring, But I am not for dragging your kid from school to school either…that ruins their experience and stability in those impressionable years..

  • MagnumPI

    @Valley Athletics…Eric Bunte is not even close to a similar situation. Harry Welch is an absolute tool. He’s known for being both verbally and physically abusive towards his players. He was put on administrative leave last year following an altercation with a player, and a few of his coaches were caught with marijuana possession. I would never allow my child to play under Harry Welch.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

    exactly

  • Jimmy the Greek

    Some of the questions to be answered now, are:
    1. If the appeal, that is sure to follow, is lost, will the kid only be eligible at Westco this coming season?
    2. If the appeal is lost will he be granted limited eligibility at DB to play at the JV level?
    3. Will the parents be willing to risk thousands to dollars to continue this fight threw the court system?

    4. If they continue to fight the battle threw the court system, will there be a final verdict prior to the end of the football season?
    5 If he should chose to return to Westco will he be welcome?

  • close family

    unfair! sorry

  • close family

    noodles suffered verbal abuse, that’s ok jonathan well be back next game. Just transfer why wait do it now. coaches mad at him , hes only 15 have mercy he is a good kid!!!

  • close family

    one coach cursed at him instead of motivating him to do better! your @@#$ up… the kid did everything that was asked of him even taking hard hits at running back, while questioning is he good enough to be a quarterback!! then watching a third screen quarter back play in front of him at 5feet 5inches noodles is 5 feet 10 inches and played at a higher level, look at what that does to a kid mentally.

    • Bulldog Pop

      The biggest responsibility of being a High School QB is being a team leader. Any kid that would attempt to organize a group of players to ditch practice and then jump ship to another team is about as far away from being a team leader and one can be. Najara may not have been the physical specimen that Hull is but the kid was a far better leader. Maybe Coach M recognized Hulls’ immaturity and felt the team was better off with Najara at the helm?

      • Free

        How could a sophomore (14 years of age) organize a group of Juniors and Seniors to ditch practice. Are you saying that the kids on the team are followers. In that case the whole team is immature. The case is not Hull being the starting QB. The case is when your QB is out your 2nd stream QB goes in.

  • close family

    the coach would drop noodles off at parents home due to them not living in west Covina anymore. but on days when he had to visit inlaws leave noodles at a friend house then pick him up after the visit was over. if I bring your kid home he goes where I go period!!!

  • close family

    “athletically motivated” no these parents cared about there son well being. noodles had tons of offers, even to pay tuition for him. father wanted him close to home. even sat him out a game due to the fact he thought his grades wasn’t up to par. these parents only fight for fair treatment dad is not even a fan of football. noodles love the game, he will only support noodles if hes working hard academically. always tells noodles football is a privledge not a necessity….

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      Please refrain from referring to anyone as racist. If you want to question ANY coaches for play calling and personnel moves, go right ahead. But do not accuse coaches/players of racism. It opens up a whole other ball of wax that isn’t meant for this blog. If you feel a coach is racist, please contact him directly or the school.

      • Aaron

        I think this guy is a tool.

    • Jimmy the Greek

      Tons of offers? sounds like another potential CIF rules violation. Did the parents inform CIF that there had been pre-enrollment contact between themselves and several schools or did they just try to work the best deal they could? The more you open your mouth, the deeper you step into the sh*t.

      • Free

        The more you open your mouth, the more Sh*t that you don’t know about comes out!
        yeah tons of offers. There was no pre enrollment contact. He could have went to a lot of different schools. He went to West Co because that was the school that was in his residence at the time.

        • Jimmy the Greek

          How is it possible to have “offers” or “tons of offers” without pre-enrollment contact? Were the offers made via telepathic communication?

          • Jack

            Listen all this pre enrollment stuff is neither here or there. It seems to me there are a lot of grown people that have lived their life made wrong decisions I. The past and then you come on here to pass judgement on a 15 year old humblest kid you would ever want to meet and his family. Why would you want to bring down any kid.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Slander? Please point out to me where I slandered the kids name. (fyi – slander is spoken, not written) What I have done is inform you of what the rules are and where the violations have occurred. Also, please show me where any coach from Westco has posted and how you know that poster is part of the Westco Coaching Staff. The problem with sports these days is that there are too many enabling adults and parents who’s kids have been coddled and babied through out their youth and have gown accustom to the rules not applying to them. A mentality that “rules are only for the kids that are of average ability”. Then we turn on the TV and see Profession Athlete after Professional Athlete getting into off the field trouble and wonder how the heck does someone with so much find himself in trouble with the law or why does Allen Iverson think that he doesn’t have to practice like the rest of his teammates or why does Terrell Owens always bitch and moan every time that the ball doesn’t get thrown his way? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that , so many of these top athletes have never been held accountable and forced to follow the same set rules that the rest of us live by.

  • New York

    So Where do the CIF’s overreaching assumptions and corresponding draconian enforcements end? How about assuming that if these guys are NOW acting based on athletic motivation, then their ORIGINAL decision to enroll at West Covina was also athletically motivated. OR, their decision to REMAIN enrolled at West Covina despite moving would have been athletically motivated. Therefore, West Covina must forfeit all games the past two years in which Hull participated.
    How about assuming that the main reason student athletes do not skip classes on game day is so they can be eligible to play? Therefore, their decision to be in school is athletically motivated, not “pure” and focused on academics.
    Why is “athletically motivated” effectively a four-letter word? Aren’t all the schools in question also accredited academic institutions, therefore the students will receive a good education at any of them? Aren’t we in a freedom of choice type of society?
    What if the email in question was just effectively emotionally charged mouthing off and not the actual reason behind the move? What if the person who wrote the email was not the true decision maker? What if the person who wrote the email send a follow up email claiming that the previous email was just a joke?

    • Aaron

      Whether or not the enrollment at West Covina was athletically motivated does not matter as he was not an athlete that agrees to abide by the bylaws of participation. How does on agree…by putting on a uniform. Remaining at the school after moving is not a problem provided he gets released from his school district.

      • Free

        Maybe the email was sent because they didn’t know of any “athletic motivated” rules. If your not a “football parent” how would you know about this stuff. Maybe the email was sent because there was some things going on with the coaches that were not right

        • Jimmy the Greek

          And there it is, dropping the race card the minute your denied something you want. Took that page right out of the St. Paul / Assante play book. Anyone familiar with the coaching staff at Westco knows that what your are implying is a bunch of BS. I understand Assante is now at SM High, you might want to give ole Harry Welch a call.

          • Free

            What are you talking about? I have not dropped a race card. What are you trying to say?

        • Aaron

          I ain’t buying that BS, especially with how publicized the school his parents chose for him was and how in demand of a talent Antonio was. But I can tell you there may have been another school in the league that would have featured him as the guy which would have been dumb because of how electric a talent he is as a WR/RB type player.

          • Free

            Believe what you want. The only reason their family ended up out here was because of his dads job. Football is not a priority for this family.

          • Aaron

            Then why not a few of the other schools that are closer than DB?

          • Free

            Why does it matter what school they decide to send their kid to? But to answer your question maybe the family was having a hardship. I think the Grandmother goes to DB everyday and Whatever school he went to I’m sure they would have disputed it. no offence to DB but it’s not like they are winning championships.

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      NY,

      You’re allowed to go anywhere you want prior to your frosh year … so long as they’ll have you if you’re not from within the district … and your district releases you.

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