• GP AKA Green Machine

    Great to get the OG’s back on TV

  • MonkeyWrench

    aRAM you b talking like thez kids had no choice but to tranfer. They made choices knowing what waz at steak. Da rule suck but when you think ur kid be above da rules… U win sum U lose some. No body stole any ting from these kids but there parents.

  • Nikko Pucci

    Aram, was there something about my comment you didn’t like? Wondering why you blocked it.

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      No idea what you’re talking about. Haven’t blocked a comment in months. Try submitting again …

      • Nikko Pucci

        You guys might want to pump your breaks in making Maggiore out to be the bad guy here.

        Do a Google search for “CIF parent handbook” and download a copy of the transfer form that neither one of you have seen. To save time just click forward to page 6, bottom half.

        It’s not so much about Maggiore “signing off” on the transfer. It’s all about being upfront with CIF and protecting his own program. We all know that these transfers with big name athletes are all “athletically motivated.” Even CIF knows it and for the most part they don’t care. What they do care about is undeniable proof of “UNDUE INFLUENCE.” I can assume that this “email” most likely had some content that can be construed as “undue influence” perpetrated by someone “acting” as a representative of Diamond Bar. Would you have Maggiore lie and pretend he never saw this “email” and risk being penalized by CIF? What if a CIF rep manages to get his hand on this email after Maggiore signed off on the transfer? It’s his(Maggiore) name that his signing on the form. I’m pretty sure he’s just protecting his program. And I’m also 100% sure that if Mr. Hull never sent this “email”, Maggiore would have signed off on the transfer and we wouldn’t be having this conversation. The existence of this email gave Maggiore no choice.

  • MagnumPI

    I agree with MonkeyWrench…the thing I don’t agree with Robledo on is that West Covina shouldn’t turn a blind eye with an athletically motivated transfer. I believe West Covina did the right thing. I know it sucks for the kid, but those are just the rules and West Covina didn’t make them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

      lets see if wc follows their own self righteous advice!

  • WCDan

    Aram, Fred,
    Do yourselves both a favor and take a look at the form that Mr Pucci suggested you look at before you both fly off the handle even further.
    Although the format is changed in order to fit into this post, here is the wording for what WC had to sign off on.:

    “FORMER AND CURRENT/NEW SCHOOL STATEMENTS

    My signature below attests that to the best of my knowledge I have no
    credible** evidence of any person who is connected with the athletic departmentof the new school (School “B”) or who is part of the booster club of the newschool (School “B”) or who is acting on their behalf, having communication,directly or indirectly, through intermediaries or otherwise with the transferstudent, student’s parents, legal guardian or caregiver, or anyone acting onbehalf of the student, prior to the completion of the enrollment process.
    Furthermore,
    I am not aware of this student participating during the previous 24 months on
    any non-school athletic team* that is associated with the enrolling (new)
    school (School “B”). (*See Bylaw 510 for definition of a non-school athletic
    team.)
    Former School Signatures Current/New School
    Signatures
    ___________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________
    Signature of Athletic Director of
    former school
    Date
    Signature of Athletic Director of
    new school
    Date
    ____________________________________________________
    __________________________________________________

    Signature of Head Coach of former
    school (fall)
    Sport
    Date
    Signature of Head Coach of new
    school (fall)
    sport
    Date
    __________________________________________________
    _____________________________________________________

    Signature of Head Coach of former
    school (winter)
    Sport
    Date
    Signature of Head Coach of new school (winter)
    Sport
    Date
    ________________________________________________________
    _____________________________________________________
    Signature of Head Coach of former
    school (spring)
    Spor

    Date
    Signature
    of Head Coach of former school
    (spring)
    Sport
    Date
    _______________________________________________
    __________________________________________________________

    Signature of Principal of former school
    Date

    Signature of Principal of new school
    Date

    OR
    I
    am unable to certify that one or both of the above statements are true. Therefore, as required, I am submitting a
    complete written disclosure of the specifics.
    (Attach the explanation to this form-CHECK BELOW AND SIGN.)
    ___________________________________________
    ___________________________________________

    Signature
    of FORMER Principal unable to certify statement above
    Date
    Signature

    of NEW Principal unable to certify statement above.
    Date”
    Now tell me guy’s would either one of you be so foolish to sign off on this when it directly states to you that by putting your signature below you attest that you have no credible evidence that anybody from DB or DB Boosters, or someone acting on their behalf either directly or thru intermediaries had contact with the transfer. Not only that but it also states that your signature also attests that you are not aware of the transfer student playing on any non school sports team that is associated with the new school. I’ve been told that there has been 7 on 7 tournaments and trips to Vegas and elswhere that have happened with players from WC & DB, if true, then it would be a lie if Maggiore signed off on the paperwork. One other thing is niether of you have seen what is on the e-mail, could be that Mr. Hull may have mentioned something that could have been self incriminating. WC cannot take a risk on such a thing. You both have taken a bias against WC without knowing all that you should know, you’ve instigated the spread of a lot of bad press against WC yet you weren’t even aware of what was on the the form that WC signed off on, you both went ahead and judged against the decision they made knowing only part of the story. Poor work fellas

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      What is missing from this story is the breakdown on when the email was sent from the Hull family to Wesco and what was the communication from Westco to the Hull family after the email was received. Did Wesco inform the Hull family that the content of this email has forced their hand and would not allow them to sign off on the transfer, based upon the risk of Wesco violating a CIF rule? If they told them, did they inform the Hull family prior to the filing of paperwork or After. This would shed more light on Wesco’s intentions. This would also makes things clear on whether Noodles decision to transfer was made with all the information to know if it was worth it, and if it would go smoothly. I do agree that these rules hurt the kids. I do agree he should be able to leave. However, I do believe you should always dot your I’s and cross your T’s. You should always follow the protocol and you should always, put yourself in the best position to transfer. If you have done everything correctly, and kept things as private as possible and off the record until you are sure, then this can happen, and you really can’t cry about it. You must always take responsibility for your actions. What others do is out of your control and act accordingly after. That goes for Coaches, Parents, etc…

      • WCDan

        The only thing that matters is that the e-mail was sent before the transfer paperwork arrived at WC. Once the transfer paperwork gets to WC, WC has the moral obligation to be truthful with CIF, if they lie and say they know nothing of undue influence then what kind of integrity would they have? Apparently the e-mail has info that suggest there was undo influence, otherwise CIF would have allowed the transfer.
        On a smaller note, how would this look in the eyes of the rest of the team that stay loyal to the program? Especially the ones who came back and said they were being lured away from the program. What would they think knowing that WC signed off after knowing about undue influence.

      • AMAT 73

        GP,
        Has high school ball come to the point of under the table deals , off the record promises , turning a blind eye to the rules ????? I know a scholarship is a coveted goal but at what expense and how far does one stoop to obtain one . I for one think all was done by the rules as CIF chose to deny the eligibility due to whatever was presented to them . And if at heart the Hulls feel that the DB program is the place for their son then whatever the wait period is , grin and bare it . You will evetually get what you want at DB .That’s if he’s not at a different school next season .

        • Colt74

          73, you hit the nail on the head. Parents and fans have come to the ” any kid/parent should be able to do what ever they want at any time ” fork in the road and decided to take that path. Our society has taken on the “Rules are for chumps” mentality. At the end of the day what everyone else says they would have done is moot.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          When I say under table meaning not doing anything that would hinder the coach from being able to sign out off without any discrepancies. Meaning if Mr Hull just told him how he felt without something in writing emailed to a school official. Then it would be Maggoire’s decision to uphold the silent code of honor not to challenge or put a asterisk on this kids paperwork. If you have something in writing, should he just somehow delete that email? There is probably 1% chance that email surfaces again if he did note it…but that 1% could be to risky for him. I do agree with letting him go and I think its bad policy. I am just saying that everyone knows the risk be it fair or unfair.

          • AMAT 73

            GP,

            Well how about just saying , my family is moving and it’s been nice coach and thank you for your help . We wiil now be living in the Pomona area so my son will be transferring out to avoid the commute to WC . Not, I am unhappy the way you are using my kid and he’s not getting the shot at QB where I want him to play and I am taking where I will get what I want . And whether it’s written or said to a coach , one’s morals come in to play so you either play by the rules or you don’t . Blame the parent for throwing it in Maggoire’s face , not him for doing what he thought is best for him and the program . So by what you wrote , you are telling me this kind of off the record stuff goes on at Monrovia ????? Humm , I wonder what promises were made to Scoby , off the record that is . Also what kind of “Code of Honor ” includes lying about about facts of athletically motivated transfers ???? That is some Honor code you live by .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I totally agree with you…he should have said exactly that or maybe even less. Second…what world do you live in…CIF has created the platform where players and coaches do have to handle things under the table or off the record…just Imagine if all the transfers BA has received or let leave, were out sending email…everyone of them would be investigated or denied or someone would have to turn a blind eye…Coaches know that players are leaving for that reason, who are you kidding. They just don’t care to make stink about it. Last…Monrovians don’t really talk about off the record stuff, that’s why it;s off the record, and Most Monrovia transfers are just coming back to area they left in the 9th grade anyway…Maddox get’s all his ducks in a row first before going public. That is why no one knows what’s going on with Scoby. Not even I…

  • West Covina Bulldogs

    It looks like there is a lot of speculation on both sides of this argument.

    The fact remains that there is a chance this talented young man may not play his junior season. Anyone that has something to do with that should feel some shame.

    My takes on this so far (until more FACTS are released) are;

    1. Do not be transparent about your intentions if you are a parent, they may be used against you at some point.

    2. Has any school been punished for not challenging an “obvious” athletically motivated transfer?

    I sincerely do not mean any disrespect to the Diamond Bar football program, but how can you call transferring from West Covina’s football program to Diamond Bar’s program athletically motivated?

    One last thing, Noodles owes absolutely nothing to West Covina. Heckl, West Covina would not have reached the semis without him (my opinion of course). So this B.S. about not being “loyal’ is strictly that B.S.

    • Dan

      Yes, west Covina has shown to be hypocritical phonies. Yes, they should feel shame. Does Sidney jones live in west Covina? Why did he go to west co?maybe Maggiore should think about this one.

  • JASON

    Aaron vaughns should not be able to play in the all-star game he is currently enrolled in a continuation school.

  • JASON

    I went to school with scoby he would not make it with his academic drive he has never been the brightest kid, let him play what ever he wants to play he WILL NOT go anywhere with his grades after high school…

  • H,S Football

    I am pretty sure Damien had no problem signing off on Pucci transferring, along with Gano.

  • New York

    Where do the CIF’s overreaching assumptions and corresponding draconian enforcements end? How about assuming that if these guys are NOW acting based on athletic motivation, then their ORIGINAL decision to enroll at West Covina was also athletically motivated. OR, their decision to REMAIN enrolled at West Covina despite moving would have been athletically motivated. Therefore, West Covina must forfeit all games the past two years in which Hull participated.
    How about assuming that the main reason student athletes do not skip classes on game day is so they can be eligible to play? Therefore, their decision to be in school is athletically motivated, not “pure” and focused on academics.
    Why is “athletically motivated” effectively a four-letter word? Aren’t all the schools in question also accredited academic institutions, therefore the students will receive a good education at any of them? Aren’t we in a freedom of choice type of society?
    What if the email in question was just effectively emotionally charged mouthing off and not the actual reason behind the move? What if the person who wrote the email was not the true decision maker? What if the person who wrote the email send a follow up email claiming that the previous email was just a joke?

    • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

      New York, one of your best posts yet, couldn’t agree more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ptyrone Patrick Tyrone

    at this point the only talking needs to be between the Hulls and Cif, all the other he said,she said crap is irrelevant! and from the looks of it , the matter is not being handled in a confidential fashion, it seems some wc posters know more than they perhaps should. My only question is how long Maggiore had possession of this email and what his intentions were to do with it before recieving transfer papers?? Evidently he took what was in the email.personal and decided to use it against Hull. Its not like the email was going logged into the library of congress, he couldve simply read it and trashed it on the other hand!

    • Free

      3 months prior

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