UPDATED: Family of Antonio “Noodles” Hull hires attorney to help appeal CIF-Southern Section declaration of ineligibility …

UPDATED, 7:10 p.m. PT: Chris Prussak, the attorney for Antonio “Noodles” Hull, returned my call and discussed the case and the grounds on which he plans to argue Noodles’ appeal. I will list them, but one common theme kept resurfacing and that’s that “athletically motivated” is an unclear term rule/term. “One hundred percent of athletes who make their appeal to CIF, they’re athletically motivated,” Prussak said. “They want to play athletics, therefore they are athletically motivated. Tell me the different degrees. It doesn’t say there are different degrees in the blue book, so I don’t understand that term.” Prussak will also argue that it’s unconstitutional for CIF to step in and say Hull is ineligible when he made a valid change of residence. Other parts of his case will include academics and safety/threat issues that have been alleged in other emails.

UPDATED: Antonio “Noodles” Hull is ineligible for varsity football participation until Nov. 16, 2013 and not Nov. 9 as previously reported. The one-year penalty corresponds with the date that the infraction was committed and not the date of his last varsity participation with West Covina.

The family of Diamond Bar High School football player Antonio “Noodles” Hull has hired an attorney to help appeal the CIF-Southern Section’s declaration of his ineligibility until Nov. 16, 2013. nood

Hull, a junior-to-be, transferred from West Covina to Diamond Bar this offseason with hopes of playing for the Brahmas this fall. Earlier this month, the CIF-Southern Section office declared him ineligible for varsity football participation until Nov. 16, 2013 after West Covina disputed the transfer on grounds that it was athletically motivated.

West Covina provided the CIF-Southern Section office with a letter from Hull’s father, which left the ruling body no choice but to declare Hull ineligible under Rule 510, which includes athletic motivation violations among other things.

The penalty for an athletic motivation infraction is a one-year revocation of varsity eligibility from the date of the infraction.

Hull’s family will now state its case to a state appeal committee under, and they’ll do it under the guidance of Chris Prussak, an Orange County based attorney who claims he specializes in CIF appeals cases.

Hull shined as a sophomore at West Covina last fall, earning Tribune Newcomer of the Year honors after playing quarterback, running back and safety for the Bulldogs.

He was expected to be in the mix to play quarterback for Diamond Bar and also start at safety for the Brahmas.

  • Colt74

    Funny. No matter how many times I read the headline to this article I keep coming up with ”

    BREAKING NEWS: Snoop Dog hires an attorney for the family of Antonio “Noodles” Hull to help appeal CIF-Southern Section declaration of
    ineligibility …
    My opinion, and as always…your mileage may vary.

    • AramT

      Absolutely not true. I know many people want to think that somewhere in all of this Snoop is pulling the puppet strings, but I can tell you that as far as hiring this attorney and paying for him, COULD NOT BE FURTHER from the TRUTH.

      • Colt74

        “I know many people want to think that somewhere in all of this Snoop is pulling the puppet strings” And why would so many of us ignorant souls think that? Maybe because if it walks like a duck….? In any case, time will tell. Noodles is a VERY talented individual ( 44-0 ) . I hope that those that ARE pulling the strings are pulling those strings in HIS best interest and not their own. And never forget there are 3 truths…yours, mine and the actual.

        • AramT

          Colt,

          Check your direct messages on Twitter.

          • Colt74

            Did. TY!

        • Not So Fast My Friend

          Colt – What’s the 44-0 thing? Are you saying he hasn’t lost a game?? Can you clarify that code? lol

          • Colt74

            44-0 the score that WesCo spanked my Colts.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Ouch! Got it!

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Even if he did… at this point no one would be able to confirm it. Do you think this is a landmark case or what??

        • Not So Fast My Friend

          Not landmark. Just another in a long series. But from the looks of it, it’ll be very interesting.

  • F Lee Bailey

    And the game of Chicken begins. This will come down to who is willing to take the issue the furthest and spend the most money. Taking this all the way to a court conclusion will cost each party in excess of $50k.

  • F Lee Bailey

    @ Aram

    Something that I’m a little confused about, in your article you state that Hull is ineligible until Nov 9th 2013, which is the one year anniversary of his last game that he played at West Covina. However, according to Maxpreps, West Covina played their last game of the year on Nov 23rd 2012. Why the 14 day discrepancy?

    • Colt74

      You are correct. La Serna game on 11-23. Good catch.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        the 11-9 would be right after the first round of the playoffs Which will be played on 11-8 this year…Last year DBar was finished before the playoffs started…and they may not make the playoffs without Noodles/ and few lineman.

        • AramT

          CLARIFICATION: Noodles is ineligible until Nov. 16, 2013. The one-year penalty corresponds with the date of the infraction. That’s the key here, DATE OF INFRACTION.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Thanks for clearing that up, So basically as of now, to see noodles on the field playing. DBAR would have to make it to the Semis. Basically he is ineligible for the entire year, because they are not going that far without Hull. The 30 day sit out rule would have been a little better, at least giving the kid a chance to shine in league or playoffs…

          • fyi

            so to clarify even further: that means the infraction happened while WC was still playing…

          • Bulldog Pop

            So your saying that the dad sent the (disgruntled parent) email right in the middle of playoffs? Way to be a team player dad. Doesn’t sound like a dad that is only marginally interested in football.

  • Fatligian

    Dude…get off these kids’ jocks.

  • Saints Fan

    So I guess in the article earlier where it said something to the affect that Dad didn’t even care about football, is somewhat inaccurate. Seems he does care a little more than that.

    Shame, this whole situation, but the reality is, CIF has rules, WE ALL KNOW THE RULES. You can’t claim ignorance if you are a HS Athlete (or parent). CIF threw down the gauntlet based on WestCo’s response to xfer paperwork. Reality is, does the family really have the $$$ to spend to fight? I know I wouldn’t, and possibly the Attorney is doing it Pro Bono (ya right, unless they just wants their name in the paper, and they are from the OC, hmmm ties to Mater Dei ?? — Oooooh Gloria….).

    Someone else made a comment as well, lives in Pomona, if it was truly due to necessity and not influenced by anything else, why not just go to Pomona, or Ganesha or Diamond Ranch. Pomona and DR have moved guy’s to the next level, more so than DB… and the next level guy’s know Noodles, he is gonna get what is his regardless of where he goes to school.

    Shame as well, would really liked to have seen the kid play in Week 3+

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      D ranch needs a RB bad….he wants to play QB. .

      • Saints Fan

        I thought the move wasn’t Athletically Motivated….. hahaha just messing with you GP. I hear you !

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          lol.. I Like what you wrote. I disagree with the ruling, CIF goes too far, but like you say…everyone knows the risk of playing russian roulette…there is at least 1 bullet in the chamber.

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      I’m pretty sure Snoop isn’t funding Noodles appeal. However, Saints fan, you do yourself a disservice in climbing into Mr Hull’s pocketbook on what he can and cannot afford.

      • Saints Fan

        Didn’t mean any disrespect or making assessments

    • Dan

      It is a known fact that diamond bar school district is tops. I am sorry that Pomona schools do not offer the education that diamond bar provides. No arguing that one. If you check out schools, you will clearly see diamond bar is one of the best in academics. No offense to Ganesha, Pomona or diamond ranch, but no thanks.

      • OuttaYourMindTrib

        Going to be tough arguing you won’t get a superior education at a DB school. If the Hulls are going to argue “education” they are going to have to prove that WC provides a sub-standard education or in laymen’s terms an LAUSD/Inner City education. That’s going to be nearly impossible.

        • Brahma fan

          If you want to argue about education, then the Hull family will have a good argument. Antonios grades have improved greatly since transferring. He came in with a sub 2.0 and has improved to above a 3.0. So much so that some PAC-12 recruiters have already commented that it was a good thing that he transferred out. West Covina kids have a very hard time making the grades. That is why I sent all of my kids there. The whole team might not get football scholarships, but their grades alone will get them into college. Something like 90% of the kids move on to college from Diamond Bar. US News and World Reports has them ranked 26th. in the state and 216th. In the NATION as far as best schools to attend. A few years ago the L.A. Times ran an article on how Diamond Bars’ A.P. Programs are best in the WORLD, not just the U.S.

          • Dan

            Great point brahma..academics first sports second. Diamond bar is big on academics. D bar has the best academics around.they are rated as tops in California.

          • WCDan

            Christ almighty, get real guy’s, do both of you really believe he transfered to DB due to academic reason? I’ll answer that for both of you, Ummmm NO.

          • Brahma fan

            Only pointing out to Saints fan that Diamond Bar is a much better academic school than Pomona, Ganesha and D Ranch. Maybe Antonio didnt like the school colors, maybe he has a girlfriend at DB, maybe it is easier to get to DB in the morning? I dont F*****g know and neither do you! Nobody is making excuses as to why he transferred, that reason is between the family and West Covina. It’ll work itself out.

          • fyi

            everyone knows why he went to DB… a flashy undisciplined spread offense, with flashy undisiciplined team mates. STREETBALL!

          • Brahma fan

            Yup! And the car that Snoop gave him didn’t hurt either. All those College scouts must really like that or else they wouldn’t all be coming down to check them out.

          • fyi

            you’re dilusional.

            1) good test scores are driven by good students/parents, not good teachers. there is a reason all the “best” schools are in in high socio-economic areas.

            2) college coaches (they’re not scouts) visit EVERY high school.

            if you really think that DBHS shouldd be deemed “special” in either regard, you have no f-ing clue

          • Aaron

            You don’t think having quality educators has something to do with it?

            At Brahma fan…you must be new, but I’m not a fan of WesCo.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Over 60% of the DB population is of Asian descent. They DO NOT TOLERATE poor academic performance in their schools. if something is going on that they as a voting block don’t like, then boards get voted out, principals do not get their contracts renewed and poor teachers mysteriously wind up at less stringent schools.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            With regard to no. 2. No they do not visit every high school.

          • Aaron

            So you’re saying he wasn’t making grades at WC and now he’s making grades at DB…that makes no sense if DB is supposed to be better (i.e. tougher) And how would you be privy to his grades?

          • WCDan

            Ha, that was funny Aaron.

          • Brahma fan

            Your question makes no sense. Tougher? It’s not Harvard, it’s the same High School curriculum taught at every other school. The only difference is that the administration and staff do a much better job. You should be asking “Why dont other schools do a better job?” Then maybe more parents wouldnt have to rely on sports as the only way to get their kids into college. As for how would I be privy to his grades, I’m not. I don’t have access to the schools database. So maybe I don’t know. But that’s the story right now and I could care less if you believe me or not.

          • Aaron

            Um…standards differ drastically from school to school. Theoretically DB’s academic profile means that not only do they have high performing students, but more stringent standards. Academic rigor etc.

          • Brahma fan

            How do standards differ greatly? All schools in California have to teach the same standardized curriculum. All students MUST pass the high school exit exams. Every school has 4.0 students that can move on to college, its how Diamond Bar deals with the others that makes it such a good school. they offer the right resources, environment and culture that helps promote education. They dont make it tougher, they make you learn better. STUDENTS differ greatly. They have to be taught according to THEIR academic profile. Some have trouble meeting the minimum standards and others excel. Those students are given more advanced teachings (i.e., honors, I.B., A.P.). Again, you should be asking why your school isn’t doing better!

          • Aaron

            Standards and Quality differ. Although I’m unsure where Mr Hull is concerned with where he would be placed if the quality of education is that much different. I think the dramatic difference for his education would have been had he attended Ganesha…no between DB and WC. The area a school is in will determine the attractiveness to quality educators.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Good teachers and involved parents make all the difference in the world. While they may all teach the same curriculum, how that curriculum is taught makes schools good scools and not so good schools.

          • WCDan

            A student has the same great opportunity, access to the same great A.P. classes and the same great quality of teaching at WC than they do at DB, the difference is mostly due to social economic class, where there is more money there is more opportunity. I’m willing to bet WC has many more situations where kids are home alone because mom & dad both need to work to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads, or they need to work longer hours. I would also be willing to bet there are more single parent families at WC. In a situation like this it’s tougher for a kid to succed when a parent is not there to push them or keep them accountable. Because there are many more students who struggle in situations like this than in schools such as DB, or Walnut the test scores will obviously reflect that. It’s not so much a difference in school quality, WC and many other schools have the same great opportunity.

          • Aaron

            Good points Dan. I was just trying to illustrate that although WC is not a flagship public school in the Valley, it certainly isn’t the worst place to get an education as you are in a relatively safe community and put out a good product in regards to academics. As I was attempting to illustrate that if it was a move for Academic reasons than why DB when there are closer places for him to attend.

          • Valley Athletics

            Walnut and diamond bar are tops in education .

  • Colt74

    My question would be : Would Noodles be allowed to play while the appeal is in motion? And “IF” so would it not be in his attorneys best interest to drag out the appeal?

    • Saints Fan

      I would presume no, based on the fact that at present, he has been ruled ineligible by CIF, per CIFSS website. Therefore, one would believe that it is safe to say he is Ineligible and can not play until that ruling is overturned / changed / etc. Therefore, I would think attorney would want to get this on the docket ASAP at the State level

    • Aaron

      This isn’t the NFL.

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      No. He can’t play.

  • Aaron

    Yes…bring the constitution into this…clown.

    • Bulldog Pop

      I believe that is the 28th amendment, which states that the CIF shall make no rule that is binding upon primma donna athletes. Any and all rules that CIF makes shall be binding upon only those who wish to follow them. It’s probably the most overlooked amendment to the Constitution and rarely covered in Government Class.

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        Yeah I never saw that amendment.

  • Saints Fan

    I really don’t want to see this kid suffer, really want to see him play. But here is a HUGE life lesson. If you aren’t happy, keep your opinion to yourself and just move on to another situation. This case is fairly simple. Hull’s dad was pissed, wrote an e-mail to coach, complained about “things”, then decided to take his ball home… ergo, move his kid to another school. Fine, but if he had NOT written the e-mail, just packed up his sandwiches and moved on, NONE of this would have been an issue. Rules are Rules, deal with them.

    Typical friggin attorney trying to use semantics to twist this and twist that. Mr Prussak is correct – 100% of “appeals” are Athletically Motivated, someone is trying to play athletics. This is where I want to laugh at all these people including Mr. Allred (uuuh sorry I mean Prussak). The Blue Book is not Grey. It is fairly black and white. It basically says you can not move from school to school for purely Athletic Reasons. And since Mr Prussak apparently does not have the proper paralegal support, I offer my services… sir, included on p. 81 of the current 2012-2013 CIF Blue Book…. I quote :
    “Question: What is meant by an athletically motivated move or transfer?

    Answer: Based on the CIF philosophy that the “student attend school to receive an education first; athletic participation is secondary”

    [Bylaw 200.A.(2)], individual Section Offices may limit eligibility for a student when there is evidence the transfer, or move is made to acquire athletic participation at School B. Such evidence of an athletically motivated move may be, but is not limited to:

    • Evidence of parental or student dissatisfaction with a coach or a coaching decision at the former school.

    There are several more bullet points, but I think we can stop right there….
    Judge : Mr Prussak, with regard to bullet point #1 above, did in fact your client author an e-mail to the previous coach and discuss his displeasure with how his son was being utilized on the football field?”
    Mr Prussak : Yes your honor, BUT how do you define the degree’s of athletically motivated …..
    THE GAVEL BANGS ON THE DESK, case closed…..
    it sucks for the kid, but at some point in life, there has to be consequences for actions….
    ahhh wasn’ t that fun.

    • OuttaYourMindTrib

      He should be playing in the fall, no question, except for the small fact at least one rule was broken and apparently there’s a paper trail proving an “Athletically Motivated” transfer. Rules are rules, they must be followed or there’s anarchy.

      The arguement is not “should the rule be removed”, that is a separate issue, the arguement is was the rule broken. CIF says yes, WC says yes, so now we’re really talking guilty with an explanation.

      Like was said previously, when you play Russian Roulette, there’s always at least 1 round in there. Looks like Mr. Hull got it. Hey he had a 99% of squeaking through. Got give it to him for trying, but since you got caught, just suck it up pay your penalty.

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        We nolonger live in a “suck it up” society. That was the World War II generation. It’s the Burger King “have it your way” crowd. Lol

        • OuttaYourMindTrib

          Guess that gives away what generation I’m from

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Lmao

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      That’s funny, everyone bad mouths attorney’s until they need one.

      Not knowing the particulars of the email, nor am I concerned, I did say if Mr Hull hires an attorney that attorney has a variety of attack angles against CIF and that rule. When you read his statement he’s already tipping you off to at least three.

      Rules are rules, but mitigating circumstances are just that. And if I understood his brief statement correctly, I’d say Noodles has an excellent chance of winning his appeal.

  • wc insider

    aram you need to let go of your obsession with this hull transfer and get back to covering prep sports. your world has revolved around hull and Scobey for the last month at least and the coverage of the other hundreds of kids playing spring sports gets little of your time. most of us would like to read about cif playoffs in spring sports than hull having an attorney. the word now is if you want to get some ink then transfer. I have never seen so much attention given to one athlete that has really not done anything yet with his career. same with the wanderings of Scobey. write about the kids who are staying at their school and doing it right.

    • Lupe

      Your opinon may be correct on principle, but check the comment #’s on any given topic compared to a Scooby or Hull thread.

    • AMAT 73

      wc insider,
      This blog is basically a football blog . For spring sports tune into Fred’s blog. So at this time here, Hull is the main story going around and also whatever Scoby does will get top billing . And like Lupe wrote , you can’t argue with the hit count as everyone has an opinion on both subjects

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Also it sucks that he is the example, but readers want to know how these situations play out. So the next time a kid wants to transfer, they will have an example of what to do or not do. I would say this case is a landmark case for the SGV. We don’t get a chance to see this kind of thing play out step by step. It seems like the Hull camp wants this visible, and has allowed the lawyer to speak to the papers…

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      I think that WC Insider A. doesn’t understand a thing about running a blog B. is probably over 50 years old and C. just wants this stain on West Covina to go away. So sorry. Not happening. If you don’t like it, go somewhere else.

      • WCDan

        What stains?

        • AramT

          Well I guess I have a longer memory than any of you. I guess when a program that’s been the beneficiary of NUMEROUS transfers goes against what it had said in the very recent past and challenges a transfer, it’s a good thing. It reflects well, right? They are beacons of morality, right?

          Let’s run through this:

          Sydney Jones (D-Ranch)
          Jon Najera (Los Altos)
          Dorrin Turner (Amat)

          The company line during the Noodles-to-DBar rumors was “if a player doesn’t want to be here, then leave”. What happened to that? If you truly felt that way, then why challenge it?

          Aaron — You’ve been consistently wrong during this whole topic. You are arguing from a place a moral goodness, but you’re not seeing the big picture. You are seeing things for HOW YOU WANT THEM TO BE and NOT HOW THEY REALLY ARE. The same situation you have disdain for with Noodles has MANY similarities to the situation of Justin Hornsby.

          Hornsby was in the Covina District — using YOUR LOGIC, he coulda gone to Covina, Northview or South Hills. Same way you say Noodles could go to any of the Pomona district schools, including DR. Hornsby even had better options in his home district than Noodles did, but Hornsby wanted to go to West Covina. Does anybody remember what the West Covina COACHING STAFF thought of the athletically motivated rule back when Hornsby was denied and had to sit out his entire junior year? I sure do. So why challenge Noodles’ transfer?

          Amat73 — “Downgrading WC and their coach?” Where did I say I would do that? Still a great coaching staff. Still one of the top teams/programs in the area. This won’t change my thoughts on either. But they did do something very hypocritical.

          WC Dan — Most of the big-time programs know how the game works. We can sugar coat it and pick and choose when we want to walk the moral high ground, but we all know deep down that HS football is a somewhat dirty game with backroom deals and parents conspiring to get kids to play together and even some coaches doing what they can to “attract” talent. I’m not saying West Covina or any other program should be doing those things, but you have to understand that when you become a big-time program like WC has become YOU LOSE TRANSFERS, YOU GAIN TRANSFERS. IT’S JUST GOES WITH THE TERRITORY. DEAL WITH IT!

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Very interesting..Amat called me out for saying that HS Football transfer agreements are made under the table. I said that is the way it is…Because coaches want to be the benefactors of big time impact transfers, so they have to let them go as well. Otherwise you look hypocritical. I don’t know, even though West Co has the email from the hull family… The conversations had between parties prior to email will come out if the case goes to court. Who knows what transpired prior to that…If there is something there, that’s dirty laundry and it may effect West Co’s street cred in future. If Noodles is granted his eligibility…things may fade away. If the ruling is upheld, Wesco may look funny in the eyes of future potential players. Sometime a “stain” has nothing to do with rules or the “letter of the law”.

          • Aaron

            Why do you talk? Just like I don’t think Scoby should be eligible the idea that he couldn’t afford to commute to West Covina is moot because he’s commuting to Diamond Bar.

            And if athletics was not the point…then wtf are you suing?

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I am confused…I think that anyone should be able to transfer any time to anywhere they want. I am not sure if anyone is challenging Scoby’s transfers. I was talking about how no one really knows what transpired behind the scenes in the Hull case, prior to the email and the challenge of the transfer. I think more light will be shed on the situation, if it makes it to court.Whatever comes out there, will determine how Wesco is viewed by the SGV football community. So far Wesco has a good reputation, that could change or what they did could be justified. Also keep in mind according to story, Hulls Lawyer is suing because he thinks that all transfers granted or denied are athletically motivated because the kids intentions are to play sports….that’s why they are suing.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            What is going to be fun is when this is over, all testimony and all evidence will be public record. That should be some interesting reading. I’ll be putting a FOI request on that.

          • WCDan

            The company line of “if a player doesn’t want to be here then leave” changes when other players are been lured to go with him, you and Fred keep ignoring that point. Like I said before whats to stop other players from being lured away if WC doesn’t put a stop to it. What the heck maybe they should just give it all up and put an add in the tribune that they have players avaliable for transfer.
            WC can become the feeder school for the Hacienda league..

          • AramT

            Yes, but no other players did leave. Just Noodles. So moot point. Bad form if he was trying to lure guys away, but when the bottom line is that nobody else went, then that argument loses steam. It was just Noodles and it did not need to be challenged if you felt that “if you don’t want to be here, then leave.”

          • Bulldog Pop

            This situation goes much deeper then just 1 player transferring to another school. If it were as simple as just 1 kid transferring I’m pretty sure that Coach M does nothing about it. However, when a certain entourage tries to run the program from the grand stands and bully a CIF Championship Coach into doing things THEIR way, then follows that up with trying influence other starters into transferring with them to a League Rival School, then something needs to be done. What about the Championship aspirations of the kids that are left behind? Yes, no one else has transferred yet, but there have been many rumors of kids sitting on the edge waiting to see what was going to transpire with Noodles situation before making their final decisions. The truth is the most transfers occur over the summer, so their’s no telling what might have transpired had our school not tried to do something to put an end to this nonsense.

          • Bulldog Pop

            I think a good analogy to WestCo’s attitude towards kids transferring out is, “if you want to go then go, just don’t try to burn the building down on the way out, or we’ll be forced to call the Fire Dept”.

          • AramT

            If he was so bad and his entourage, too, then you shoulda been happy to see him go. Drive him to D-Bar yourself! Why challenge it if he’s so awful? Be glad he’s gone!

          • WCDan

            It’s not a moot point because the season is not here yet, we still have the rest of spring and summer to go till the season starts, a lot can happen by then, you don’t know if phone calls are still being made. Say that it’s true that several WC kids were being lured away to DB.( And from what I’ve been told I firmly believe they were being lured away.) If whoever it was that was influencing these kids to come on over still has an availiable ear listening, what is to stop more transfers if Maggiore and WC were to go out of their way and lie to CIF by signing that they know of no undue influence. If somebody is popping holes in your dam you gotta plug the leak.

          • Aaron

            Moral Goodness et al…I see it for what it is…he went to Diamond Bar because he didn’t want to play RB/WR/Safety…he wanted to be the man. Ok, transfer to El Monte.

          • AMAT 73

            Aram ,

            Well then you explain, the insider just wants the stain ( that’s what you’re calling it ) on WC to go away . So sorry , not happening ,if you don’t like it , go somewhere else. Sounds to me like you’ve branded WC as a stained program and the coach is part of the program , Also by the transfer not happening it seems you will be riding this so called stain until the hearing . What if the appeal is denied , then what , will you retract your ” stain ” statement or just move on the next big hit drawing story ??????? It’s one thing when one player wants to leave and another thing when he tries to take others with him . I believe that is what WC and the coach are standing up for in this case .Sometimes these kids are built up so much by the press and others around them , they start to think they are bigger than the game and the programs they play for . Maybe it’s 50 years old and up thinking ,but what ever happened to just plain old making a name for yourself by proving it on the field.

      • Aaron

        How is this a stain…yes he had a change of address, but it was to Pomona. Pomona is open enrollment, so he could have gone to DR or Pomona (to get to the next level). BTW the only 5’6″ QB I remember play at the NCAA DI level of late was Todd Reesing. But it he was looking at “Academics” and athletics not being the case there’s a school right up the road from Ganesha to the North that would have provided him a top flight education.

        So A) He was going to be a star, so why leave. B) He didn’t like where he was going to star so he left. C) Gas money is cheaper than the this lawyer’s retainer.

      • AMAT 73

        Aram ,
        What is this stain you speak of ???? And why is it a stain???? Is that the thinking of the under 40 crowd ???? I will give you ” A” as getting hits is the name of the game when a blog is concerned. It’s your blog and you can print anything you want , hence the ” if you don’t like it , go somewhere else “. Also by the “not happening ” line I take it you will pursue the downgrading of WC and their coach by you for doing what they felt was the right thing for their program and the other athletes on the team .

  • Saints Fan

    Aram is the Football guy, you gotta go bang Freddie for news on all the other spring sports…. this is the biggest news going on in Football right now, Sorry. Besides, anything else is just gonna be the usual 7v7, Spring Football, Passing League stuff that everyone discounts with the “don’t mean nothing till the pads are on” mantra.

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  • wc insider

    Aram T – your long memory needs some help if you are comparing the noodles affair with najara, turner and jones. najara played football at west Covina his frosh year. moved to los altos for his soph. year and back to west co his junior and senior year. Turner came to west co after his frosh year legally and played a year of jv football. jones also came as a soph per cif rules and played a year on jv football. nice try, but that hardly compares to this situation. so you need to come up with something better if you want to “stain” the west co program under coach maggiore. you are way out of it.

  • reality

    Sorry came to this story a bit late. I dont know much about this Hull lad but so far it seems to be much ado about nothing. What are his vitals. I mean how fast,big and strong is he. What kind of numbers has he recorded so far? Is his upside so big as to merit all this foofaraw. Will he turn a program around all by himself? Is he really the pied piper and the rats follow him? If not I don’t see the harm in letting the kid play even if he has an idiot for a Dad.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      Hull is talented. He seems to be about 5’8 180 lbs. He can play multiple positions, QB/RB/WR/DB. He is fast/shifty. However, I liked his chances at West Co because they were using him as a swiss army knife. It seems he wants to be a QB, but has not grown into the position. I didn’t see the ARM strength nor size to play D1/D2 QB. I do see the ability to develop into a D1 Corner or Free Safety. He was headed towards being the top ATH in the area, but if he losses a year…he could see a few schools lose interest. I don’t know which schools were interested after last season.

      • OuttaYourMindTrib

        He’s NOT beating out the current D-Bar QB.

      • WCDan

        With the line we had returning he might of had a junior season comparable to Chris Solomons junior year.

  • eagle 1

    aram you need to step back and take a breath….you are running this noddles thing into the ground and saying stuff I don’t think you really mean.

  • reality

    After reviewing some film of Hull I think the Trib is doing this kid a disservice. The Trib has been touting this kid since grade school so handing him a “Newcomer of the Year” trophy is not surprising but certainly not earned. Many teams had very talented sophomores last year but got zero love from the Trib.I would like to hear about other good sophomores in the area last year and how they compare to Hull. Its my guess there are a big handful of players that are much better but got nowhere near the attention this kid gets from the Trib. Again I think this attention wrong because it might cause him to think he is better than he is and a teen boys head is easily turned.

  • New York

    1) If Hull had a GPA below 2.0 prior to the transfer, and now has a GPA above 3.0, then the lawyer should be able to make the case that this move was academically focused, despite the seemingly antagonistic email that Mr. Hull sent to the WestCo coach. That email is suggestive, but it is certainly not proof. Also, can’t “Noodles” make the claim that his dad did not have the final decision in his transfer? Who would be able to dispute that?

    2) The attorney is correct in that these rules are very vague and broad. The power of making a determination resides in the wrong hands of people and groups who are completely conflicted. In order to determine if something is “athletically motivated” the school who is losing the per-pupil revenue in the transfer relies on the its own athletic department as the expert witness….is there a conflict of interest? So in this case WestCo’s athletic department determined that the move was athletically motivated. I wonder if Diamond Bar’s athletic department would interpret the transfer motivations differently. Of course, Diamond Bar, in theory, is benefitting from this zero-sum transfer situation. So that really leaves the governing body, the all-knowing CIF, to make the call. The broad-reaching body that has allowed a system of winners and losers to be created in the first place, now seems to be actually picking the winners and losers.
    3) If a transfer is based on a student’s evaluation of a situation that is most conducive to him earning an athletic scholarship to college, would that be considered athletically motivated? I realize that an athletic scholarship requires the student to participate in athletics in college. However, the tradeoff is that the student receives a college education…Discuss.

    • Aaron

      New York…whoah man reel her in.

      • New York

        lol

    • WCDan

      Valid points if your speculations were true New York, but there in lies the issue, your post and this whole thread including my post, are based on speculation.

      • New York

        Exactly. Isn’t the CIF’s ruling also based on speculation?

        • WCDan

          ” Exactly. Isn’t the CIF’s ruling also based on speculation? ”

          Could be, depends on whats on the e-mail, but I would think it’s substantial if they were willing to deny his eligibility.
          As for me, after all is said and done, despite all this controversy and hashing back and fourth due to him leaving WC, I really would like to see Antonio Hull play, even against us. I’m a fan of football, and he’s a good talent, and it’s frustrating when your left wondering what could have been when a talent like that doesn’t play do to what ever circumstance.

    • Bulldog Pop

      If his GPA was below 2.0 then he wouldn’t have been playing football this past year because he would have been academically ineligible. What happens if CIF starts checking cell phone records during this appeal process and finds that the parents and coaches from a certain school were in contact prior to being enrolled in the new school? There could be a whole can of worms that gets exposed in this process.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        This could very well happen. You see more investigations using Cell phone records, emails and Social media as evidence.

    • http://twitter.com/aramtolegian Aram Tolegian

      He moved. He got released from Pomona district and accepted at D-Bar. His grandma works in D-Bar. Anyone saying “why not just move to D-Bar?” obviously has no concept of real estate prices.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Question…do the residents of DBAR pay city taxes which go towards their Top notch academic school or do state taxes get divided equally or unequally to school districts? If Hull is a resident of Pomona, but attends school in DBar, would residents be paying for a kid that does not live in their City. Our would Hull’s parents state taxes be sufficient? There is a difference is Academics and facilities when you compare Ganesha and Pomona to Dranch, and in my opinion there is a difference between Dbar and Dranch Academically. How do schools end up with more or less in the same district, City and State?

  • FootballGuy

    If you want to leave West Covima and go to Diamond Bar why move to Pomona. Just move into the Diamond Bar area and there is no problem.

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