The Asante Effect: Santa Margarita gets key transfer from Lakewood in WR Jeremy McNichols …

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As I said before, the addition of former St. Paul coach Elijah Asante to Harry Welch’s staff at Santa Margarita was a strategic move to help the Eagles keep up with the joneses in The OC.

It’s already paying off as Santa Margarita got a much-needed “speed kid” in wide receiver Jeremy McNichols. And for those thinking the kid will have problems becoming eligible because of the whole “can’t follow your former coach rule” (which Asante was at Lakewood for part of last season), well the word is that McNichols is already eligible.

The question now is whether Asante will “attract” other talent to Santa Margarita. It’s probably a good bet that he will.

This is of special importance to Bishop Amat, which opens the season vs. Santa Margarita at Kiefer.

  • MonkeyWrench

    Come on Big Man how you know what SM be needing? LOL And for those who don’t know Coach Asante he is a great guy dont believe da St. Paul BS.

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      Asante is not a great guy. He’s a good coach, he’s very personable, but his off-the-field abilities are what make people want to wash their hands after they shake his. And being a CIF magnet doesn’t help in the solid character category either.

      • letsjustplayfootball

        If Asante is a CIF magnet and that anywhere he goes CIF is going to pull out the microscope for his off the field abilities then seems to me Asante has done nothing inappropriate that would cause there to be any red flags since he has never been in trouble with or questioned by CIF nor has there even been any issues with kids that have transferred in to play for him. From what I know not one of his transfers in to St Paul had any issues with becoming eligible to play. Every transfer was approved with no restrictions since none of them sat out any games. All this has me believing Asante has clean hands so that makes for solid character.

        • Not So Fast My Friend

          To use your words, “pull out the microscope” I believe they have.

          The review or the questions raised by CIF about a transfer are not always made public.

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    I’ll Wait for Amat 73 to mosey on over here…..right on que Aram!!!

    • AMAT 73

      GP,

      And what may I ask you want me to add to this . I think I will wait for you to answer my question on the Payton thread . Besides , this isn’t close to what’s being said on the Payton thread. Mostly you guys putting him down on his talent level just not being enough to start at Upland and something about him getting bad advise on the move . If your insinuating about your perception of me saying that privates don’t get transfers . well that just it , it’s your perception not mine as I know the privates get transfers and like I mentioned they do recruit , some legally and some not so legal but that is up to CIF to be the judge if someone complains . Now what is with this come out and play , are you going to stick around and stay on subject and answer a question when posed to you ? Or will you wander around it and then bring AMAT into the mix when your back’s against the wall . Besides there is no spotlight on this transfer as the other 2 public school transfers as of yet , so lets wait and see what pans out as per Aram the transfer is approved and a blogger writes it is not .

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        My perception is that Private schools can recruit legally and receive transfers if the do it legally. Public high schools can receive transfers.. If they do it legally. Public schools can not recruit legally…and I think they should be able to Ahh haaa…Maybe you were not aware. I have said CIF should just open the whole market…

        • AMAT 73

          GP,

          Again you say public schools cannot recruit , but in your post to Namath you write that CO recruited Scoby away from Monrovia ?????????????? By the way by your writting that most of his Duarte Hawk teammates went to Monrovia over Duarte where they should go it seems as Monrovia has a little recruiting pipeline of their own so what is it, either they do or don’t . What is your idea or perception of recruiting ???? What can privates do that publics can’t do within the rules in the recruiting game .Let’s see if you still want to play or if you go away like you normally do when a tough question is posed to you .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I also use words like Illegal. Charter Oak recruited several Monrovia players before Kurt was in high school. Duarte is the city where the youth football team is so if you live in Monrovia you play for the hawks. Also Duarte has many students which live in the unincorporated part city meaning they can go to anywhere. Some choose to got to Monrovia and some choose to go to Duarte… and the dynamics of those two communities is that a lot of kids who live in Duarte go to JR high in Monrovia… so they are already in the District prior to getting to high school… So Again Monrovia’s Pipeline is what it is.. Tell me this…when a kid Transfers to BA… do they have to move to La Puente?

          • AMAT 73

            GP,

            Again you fail to answer what is asked of you and lo and behold , there’s AMAT again in your post. To answer your question , no they do not need to move to La Puente . As a Parochial private school there arereally no district lines to follow and most of the junior high Catholic schools in the area and some out of the area are feeder schools to AMAT .AMAT just happens to be in La Puente and West Covina is across the street. Now I answered your question so how about breaking down what you consider to be recruiting in that a public school cannot do it and privates can . . .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Well you just answer my question. Parochial Private schools don’t have to don’t have districts.It seems to me that it would be fair in regards to “Athletics”. That they would have to follow the same district lines as the City they are located in Regardless if it means they won’t be good as Good as sports? That Seems to be fair? Public schools can’t do that, and because a school is private and Parochial they get special Districts or no districts at all?

          • Jimmy the Greek

            California is an open enrollment state. Any student moving from the 8th to the 9th grade is allowed to enroll in any high school in the state of California without having to live within that school district provided said district has room.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            The Open Enrollment Act, SBX5 4 (Romero), was signed into law on January
            7, 2010, and became effective on April 14, 2010. The Open Enrollment
            Act provides students enrolled in one of the 1,000 “low-achieving”
            schools, hereinafter referred to as “Open Enrollment” schools, the
            option to enroll in a different school with a higher Academic
            Performance Index (API) than the pupil’s school of residence.

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            I have no idea what that post was about , but what do you consider to be legal recruiting for privates and not legal for publics . As far as I know recruiting for all schools is illegal if you look at recruiting as personal contact by a school or official of the school for the sole purpose of getting an athlete to attend their school . Camps and clinics are being held by many schools but as long as there is no luring of attendees to go to said school they seem to be ok . One can look at that as a form of recruiting and again all schools can do that . Not having district lines is no way near having anything to do with recruiting . In fact it makes it hard for the privates as they do not automatically get students enrolled as publics do. You see Monrovia is fortunate to have loads of talent in their area that automatically get Monrovia high as the school they attend where as privates need to put out a good product to attract students and they must pay to attend , come to think of it , you use that a lot when you write about the bad points of private school . So really who has the advantage .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I see Bishop Amat at every junior All American Championship event with shirts on talking to kids…I am sure someone else has seen them too. That’s not blog talk BS either…But really everyone should be able to recruit….How else can a private school get kids…

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            And what may I ask were you doing at every the JAA Championship event . Pretty sure you were sporting your Monrovia gear also . Just as they see you , you see them , so what’s your point or do you do you go plain clothes style so no one notices’ .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I support The Hawks. I am not a Monrovia coach…

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            So by that I guess the Hawks were every division championship game in JAA ???? You did say you saw them at “every” championship event . And I know you had your MTown gear on .I know you are not a Monrovia coach but that doesn’t stop you from recruiting for them . You do bleed green and white don’t you ?????

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            No, just what 7th and 8th grade team. I normally know a kid or two playing…I have a big family in the SGV and Friends who coach. I too also played for the D hawks in the 80′s and played in a few youth title games myself.. I bleed green and white, but brown and orange First! Go D Hawks!

          • Jimmy the Greek

            School District lines don’t run according to City boundaries. The kids that live in the unincorporated area of the city still reside in one school district or another.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Duarte unified also serves parts of Monrovia as well…Besides a lot of people duarte send their kids to Mtown schools because they think they are better… Just saying.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            The people that live in those areas vote for School Board Members in one district or the other. The home owners pay property taxes that go to one district or the other.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Hey go back and read about open enrollment…yeah but like I said a lot of football kids are already in one district or the other prior to 8th grade….and more than likely the majority go to Monrovia jr high schools regardless of where they live so it really does not matter.

        • Jimmy the Greek

          Like I posted on the other website, neither Public’s nor Privates can legally recruit, both are subject to the same CIF Bluebook.

  • Valley Athletics

    Lakewood is being gutted.they lost receivers and running back last yr to Sjb , the top linemen to la habra , a couple guys to long beach poly and now this guy.

  • Aaron

    I don’t understand why they would even need him…Welch is enough, he’s been to state with three separate schools.

    • observantcat

      The game is getting faster Aaron, no more 5 yards and a cloud of dust. It’s big crusty lineman and tall receivers along with lightning quick running backs nowadays. The OC were missing a few of those parts and now they look to become National Contenders not just local or State. That is what Asante is bringing to the table. Coach welch wouldn’t dare step over to those parts of LB or Lakewood with out an escort.

    • New York

      I agree. Just to clarify: Welch has WON state bowls at three separate schools just since the state bowls have been around! He is one of few coaches to have a victory over De La Salle, and he did it with a Division 4 public school. Welch teams have set records and achieved big wins every decade since the early 1980s. He has either changed with the times or his formula works…Maybe the top level of high school football nationally has become mini versions of college, where you effectively recruit a roster that has no weaknesses.

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      Agreed. Welch doesn’t need Asante, but obviously he felt he needed more talent on his team.

    • Think

      if welch didn’t need asante he would not have hired him. the transfer rules have changed and the game has changed. you have to get the talent that will allow you to compete. if you sit on your hands in the ultra competitive trinity league you will suffer the same fate as servite who went from cif champion to 3-7.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        He also hired coaches that busted for green things…

  • Why Not

    RSM along with all the Trinity league needs the foot speed to play with SJB this and the next coming years. Can’t wait until Serra enters the PAC 5 next year omg!!

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      When Serra enters the Pac 5, that’s going to be massive and seriously increase the competition level in the P5. They run a great program at Serra.

  • Chocolate Thunder

    A wolf in sheep’s clothing….

  • Jimmy the Greek

    According to the CIFSS Transfer website his transfer has not yet been approved.

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      CIF is slow to update their site. If word is he’s approved, then chances are he is.

      • Jimmy the Greek

        Just a short while ago, word on this blog was that Scoby was cleared and now we hear that Monrovia has yet to send in his paperwork. Also, I think some people were saying that Noodles was cleared and we all know how that went down. CIF had posted on the transfer website that Noodles transfer was denied about 2 days prior to Aram hearing about it. Then again, maybe CIF gets overwhelmed with transfers this time of year and is unable to get their posts up as quick as they did a month ago?

        • Not So Fast My Friend

          CIF still has kids listed as denied for a transfer on their website that ultimately were approved. They even have some who were initially approved and subsequently denied because the school (or a coach) challenged the transfer. The best way to find out if a kid is approved or denied is via a phone call.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Yes, I agree that a phone call would be the most accurate information, but I would also say that rumors are probably the least accurate information.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            haha. Very inaccurate.

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    Bringing Asante in only adds more risk and liability to stable program, which already had some assistant coach issues. I used to support him, but to be at a school for part of the season, leave, then “attract” their best player to SM just doesn’t look good. Now what happens if games are forfeited behind this new found speed factory off 133. I think a coach like Welch should have let this guy cool off…SM loss their QB that’s what hurt them most…not the lack of speed, and it takes time to develop a Big time QB. SM is only one of the few oc teams to go back to back…Even if they need speed, they did not need Asante. They have tons of speed sitting right there in Tustin area…I don’t dislike Asante. Just not a fan of him parading around anymore. Anywhere he goes CIF is going to pull out the microscope ….Now what if he is at Mater Dei next year….He is going to “attract” SM’s top players over to the patch of grass…

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      You pretty much summed up what I was going to point out about Asante. The guy is not a bad coach, he’s just a CIF magnet for his off-the-field abilities.

      • AramT

        You say that, but what’s he ever got in trouble for? Did any of those transfers last year at St. .Paul end up ineligible? And this suggestion that CIF proactively ever does something is ridiculous. CIF sits back and pretty much only acts when one school has a beef against another.

        • Not So Fast My Friend

          None that I’m aware of, but that doesn’t negate him attracting their attention. Given all the banter about athletes transferring schools for athletically motivated reasons, Asante has a unique ability to “attract” talent wherever he goes.

          You don’t have to be convicted of a crime to be a suspect. lol

          As for CIF acting when one school has a beef against another, it’s not reserved for schools, it’s coaches and their dislike of other coaches.

          But this takes us into areas about the CIF that I think makes them their own worst enemy and that wasn’t the subject you wrote about. :-)

          • Joe Namath

            You say Asante has a unique ability to “attract” talent wherever he goes. He gets extra attention from the CIF but they ultimately approve every single one of his transfers. This is what has made him a hot commodity in the Trinity League and the reason he had both Welch at SM and Rollinson at Mater Dei bidding for his services.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            And you say all of that to say what?

            Whether or not CIF approves his transfers isn’t the point I made. He’s on CIF’s radar.

            Can you name another coach who moves and high value talent moves too? He’s number one on the list and number two is a distant second.

          • Think

            not so fast, I see what you gettn at but what does it matter if asante on the cif radar and they still approve all of his high value talent moves? that is the reason why welch paying him good money at SM.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            For Welch coming off an assistant coach selling weed to players or students (I can’t remember), then being allowed to still coach while their case is pending, you’d think Welch would want to reduce the size of the microscope on his program. Bringing in Asante and the traffic that follows him might not be a good idea. I’m just saying. At this point it doesn’t matter. Seeing SM on the 7 on 7 tournaments, the kids seem to like him, they’re doing well, so that makes it a no harm, no foul. All I’m saying is know what you’re buying before you buy it. And that he’s on CIF’s radar.

            Asante’s a smart man, so I’m sure he’s making sure every transfer is on the up and up, meaning, i’s dotted and T’s crossed.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          My last comment got erased….however…why would you Hire a coach who has proven he can’t stay put?

          why would you give him glimpse of your young talent, Talent pool and pipeline? I am almost for certain…he is not going to stay there and when he leaves, some one will be “attracted”. He is a recruiter and should be working for a university.

    • Valley Athletics

      Totally agree .

    • Think

      it seems to me that bringing in asante has already paid off for welch and SM. they have never had a player with the athleticism of mcnichols. I trust that welch knows what is needed in his program and that is why he made it a point to get asante who was headed to mater dei.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        It’ has not paid off yet..they have not won anything with Asante on the staff, nor Nichols on the team.

  • Anonymous

    Aram, isn’t Scoby back st St. Paul?

    • The truth and nothing but…

      NO! Must be a sick joke.

  • Joe Namath

    High School Football is big business. At private schools the football team is the marketing arm of the private corporation. Championship games are televised and bring the advertising dollars from the sponsors of the event. A winning football program attracts new students (paying customers) and allow for you to pay for more teachers and facilities. The driving force behind this venture is the Head Coach. The Coach that can attract the impact players (Stars) are the ones who will win games and attract the college recruiters. The CIF is the legal system that enforces the rules. All transfers has to go through the CIF spotlight. If the rules are followed the transfer is valid.

    • Think

      head coaches have to put together a winning program or they will get relieved of their duties…fired! the bottom line is still about revenues the more you win the more revenues you generate…

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        SM already have a winning program. They just won in 2011

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      I’m glad you said that. HS football is a big business. It’s a big biz for schools, athletic budgets, school districts, prestige (which means a higher student enrollment number that ultimately means more money from the state) factor, and even CIF. It’s the light beer version of the college game. Once people realize that, the less shocked you are or upset when you see kids transfer to better programs or take advantage of opportunities to increase their visibility at different schools.

  • Joe Namath

    Harry Welch is a Shrewd Fox, he sees how the game has changed and he is not letting the game pass him by. Welch is a General who makes “Strategic” decisions. You look at Upland, Mission Viejo, Mater Dei, Serra and St John Bosco that have won big because of transfers. He has a choice to either sit quietly while his opponents advance or respond with brilliant moves of his on.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      Serra is the only back to back champ on this list….SM is a back to back champ and state champ…if he plays the transfer game…maybe who losses his local based in SM where those rich parents pay good Money….If you have these guys coming from all over taking kids spots… he may lose his base… Where has the transfer game got any of the schools you just named? I am for a players right to transfer, but I don’t like schools who load up. 1-2 ok…but Asante brings a ton…No Chemistry, no Title…

      • Joe Namath

        GP, Monrovia will benefit from the high impact transfer of Kurt Scoby. I don’t think the Green Machine will turn him away. Santa Margarita has only one transfer not a ton. By the way, the transfer game got St John Bosco a Trinity League title, Serra a State Title, Mater Dei a CIF Final, Upland a CIF Final and Mission Viejo league title and deep Pac 5 playoff runs, which are no small achievements.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Yeah but the funny thing about Monrovia Impact Transfers is that Kurt was kid who probably would have went to Monrovia originally with the rest of his youth football teammates but was recruited away by Charter Oak… Assante ETC…Now he’s back at monrovia…That’s how the transfer thing goes…. However…after reading all the opinions….maybe this is the way things going…and I just have to get used to it….once again…I am not against transfers…

      • Valley Athletics

        Santa margarita only won one title . Not back to back .

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          ok…

  • Valley Athletics

    Now with Keyshawn Johnson at mission viejo expect more skill players to transfer .

    • Joe Namath

      Bob Johnson and Keyshawn Johnson vs Harry Welch and Elijah Asante in the South OC battle for talent. Bob has made a personal attack on Welch going after Santa Margarita’s best player as a transfer. Word has it that Welch is going to fight it tooth and nail as an “athletically motivated transfer”. Meanwhile Keyshawn is bringing 4 impact transfers with him giving Mission Viejo a whopping 20 transfers. SM can not compete with public school MV because of the 15K tuition but has definitely made a surgical strike in attracting the super fast and athletic Jeremy McNichols. The game has changed you either play the transfer game or get crushed.

      • Why Not

        Totally agree with you. Kids want to play with and for talent. The PAC 5 is the cream of the crop coaching and talent wise there’s no comparison. They all have the hogs in the trenches and now the public schools are playing by the same rules as the private ones. Let the fun begin!!

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          The only problem is some of the non transfers are going to hold their spots…not everyone is going to play…and after transferring once…you may be stuck.

          • Why Not

            So to your argument I’ll give you a quote” I’ve never heard of a player being successful who worries about who else is on the roster at their position”. Coach Jimbo Fischer Florida State National Signing Day 2011

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            He is dealing with College players at nationally recruiting school. High schools are built within communities and have a local base of athletes. Totally different dynamic…Welch is also at a private school which depends on South OC kids attending and paying $$ to be a part of that team….

          • Why Not

            So your line of thinking is if little Johnnies parents can afford to pay for him to go to high school, he deserves more opportunity to start over the kid whose on “scholarship”?

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            absolutely not, I believe in competition, I am just saying that some parents don’t. However, the majority of players on the team are not on scholarship, and if they are paying big $$ and Fundraising for 2-3 yrs and Assante starts flooding the team with out of area kids…The kids who do live in the area will probably take their chances at one of the other private or free public schools in the area. Some say the majority of OC schools are doing what Welch is beginning to do…well we see if this pays off. It takes more than ability to fund a private power house football school. All it takes is for someone to piss off the wrong parent or booster…Besides the kids Assante attracts will be talented, but probably not bringing in $$$. Winning = $$$ right? Like I said 1 or 2 Transfers won’t hurt, but if you think that they are going to implant all LBC Skill players with and just keep the SM lineman…people are not going to be happy….Especially if they don’t win it all.

      • Jimmy the Greek

        20 transfer students into one school is a black eye on CIF and High School Sports in general. Has MV become the Lance Armstrong of High School Football?

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        I am sure SM can find sponsors for the speedy players….

  • big daddy

    Asante, Great recruiter, horrible coach. Welch and Asante will lose the battle vs MV. MV IS LOADED, without the 20 transfers and Keyshawn.

    • Think

      its hard to call anybody a horrible coach who beat mater dei back to back and took his team to back to back championship games. he beat la habra with a building sp team. mv is very average without the 20 transfers. they have assembled an all star team.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Then he left and has not been able to get a head job anywhere else….It would seem after that level of success, he would be able to do that somewhere else…instead he has become a high school recruiter…As an assistant there is no risk to your personal career as a head coach….Just saying…

        • You don’t know naan!

          U post entirely 2 mucho! U prob in you r socks and draws eat n corn nuts waiting 4 the next post…lol…get a life!

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Naaa…nice Life…my success gives me time to post 24/7….

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I don’t like nuts… but you do…that’s why your on mine..

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            … and you need to learn English.

  • politics

    gp, south oc football is a whole different beast than the san gabriel valley and the surrounding area. its much more money and politics involved and the stakes are extremely high. troy thomas is literally run out of town after a 3-7 season even though he won back to back cif titles just a year before. asante is a highly respected coach in the trinity league because of his success against mater dei and his ability to attract the top players. you would be surprised what goes on behind closed doors in the oc. there are a couple of big time programs in the oc that are interested in asante as a head coach.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      I am very Familiar with OC Football….SM would not fire the coach that just brought them a State Title. Mater Dei has not fired their coach, and he has not brought a title home in 13 years….besides Name a OC coach from Trinity league that has been fired in the last few years or one who would have. Troy Thomas left Servite on his own…

      • You don’t know naan!

        Jim Kunau got fired from olu, Jacot got fired Bosco coach got fired. Troy Thomas got ran out of town.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          when?

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    We all can be wrong…but we know Mtown takes transfers but is not out looking….like other schools..People come because we win…we produce college prospects and proud of lower division football regardless how much people try to put it down. I works for our guys and anyone else who wants to play ball…We make lower division look so good! Haha

  • Old School

    I have been following Cali HS Football since 1976,
    The GAME HAS CHANGED!!!
    Kids use to go to the neighborhood HS.
    Now with the rise in televised games and the popularity of HS Football and the State Championship, Head Coaches must produce or get FIRED!!!
    I was neutral in my opinion of Asante but after further review he is a top notch NEW SCHOOL Coach. Here we are talking about the Asante Effect…lol…The Very best players follow this guy wherever he goes and the CIF approves all his transfers. I thought you couldn’t follow a coach…yes that’s true…unless you are Elijah Asante!

  • A Game

    The Asante Effect: Where Asante Goes, The Best Players Will Follow.

  • SouthBayFB

    I agree it’s about time SM got in the game. You can’t keep up with Mater Dei, Mission Viejo and Bosco,who bring in transfers every year, if you don’t get in the game. Even Poly bringing in transfers. SM is usually the victim of the recruiting game. Nice to see them join the arms race in the PAC 5. The real dream team may just be Asante and Welch. I hope SM can keep Asante. Unfortunately it’s only a matter of time before Asante becomes a head coach again.

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