San Dimas coaching staff under investigation for allegedly supplying players with weight-gainer shakes …

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The Bonita Unified School District is in the midst of an investigation into allegations made against the San Dimas High School football coaching staff that it put players on a weight-gain plan and provided them with nutritional supplements in the form of shakes to help them reach weight goals.

The allegations were made by Peter Lyons, the guardian of former Saints standout running back Jake Payton, who transferred to Upland at the end of spring only to have San Dimas challenge the move. Payton was declared ineligible for the upcoming season by the CIF Southern Section office.

This newspaper has obtained copies of email correspondence between Lyons and several members of the Bonita Unified School District, including superintendent Dr. Gary Ripkin and San Dimas principal Michael Kelly.

  • Aaron

    Better question…when did Curtis Frick become the Assistant Superintendent? I will say there’s a major different between giving a kid whey protein, and giving a kid creatine supplements.

    • Lupe

      It’s been at least 6 years on Frick……The Lyons are coming off as big time jokes. Feel sorry for the kid.

  • AramT

    I HIGHLY doubt that Coach Zernickow was giving out creatine shakes. But … under yet another stupid CIF rule, anything that can be used to gain muscle is a no-no.

    And if that’s the case, then what’s the point of having a shake at all?

    • Sour Grapes

      I don’t know Aram, maybe they were just drinking a milk shake. Is it that far fetched to think KIDS might like stuff like that?!

  • OuttaYourMindTrib

    And the payback begins.

  • The truth and nothing but…

    Looks like Mr. Lyons took a page out of the Alhambra play book.

  • reality

    I think the problem is with the schools giving the kids ANYTHING!! If you can’t give a kid aspirin then how can you give him supplements whether harmless or not. Lotsa programs maybe quaking in their coaches shoes.

  • Don

    Horrors . . . protein shakes.

    I guess it’s time to come out and admit that I too have provided nutritional supplements to a local football team. OK, so it was hot dogs . . . maybe some Popsicles . . . and some Gatorade . . . I suppose some of that led to weight gain.

    My bad.

    • Aaron

      What happened to the PBJs…

      • Don

        Dude, who ever knew giving these kids nourishment was so wrong. Word gets out about all the burgers RP gave away, they may ship him off to Guantanamo.

    • D-Mo

      We had a high protein BBQ. I guess there should have been permission slips requested first.
      I hope nobody was injured.

  • Saints Parent

    Pathetic, as a San Dimas Parent I think the Lyons should absolutely be ASHAMED. Come on, you played Transfer Russian Roulette and LOST. Rediculous, seeing this as anything other than a vindictive attempt to discredit and get even is nonsense….

    • OuttaYourMindTrib

      … and ALLEGEDLY the SD coaches played supplements roulette and MAY loose.

      When you have skeletons in your own closet it’s best to keep everyone happy so those skeletons don’t get exposed. This reminds me of the companies that get popped for Software Piracy. They piss off an employee/ex-employee and then they scream when the Business Software Alliance comes knocking and they have to pay hefty fines. Should the employee/ex-employee move on and keep their mouth shut?

  • SDSaints

    Lieutenant Dan you have ” Magic Shakes.”

  • reality

    If Lyons is the guardian that posted earlier in defense of Jake and himself and totally lost it then Zernikow better watchout. It does’nt take a Viennese shrink to figure out this guy is all about ME. He is the proverbial woman scorned and Zernikow is the ex-lover. There is no bounds to what he may do to try and get even to regain some of his shattered reputation. The sad thing is this has nothing to do with Jake.

  • Jefe

    Yep I was under the impression they weren’t allowed to give the kids anything like that.

  • Highlander

    Interesting, sounds like sour grapes to me. Lets get this straight 1) Payton tried to transfer 2) Payton get denied. 3) Payton’s guardian brings up allegation into the SD head coach as revenge. Why would you guys even report this, its smells bad. It doesn’t look good for the tribune, you guy look like TMZ. It sure as heck doesn’t make the Lyon’s family look good, and it makes SD look bad. No one wins here. Finally, has anyone bothered to ask why Payton’s family has not filed an appeal, the answer is because it was athletically motivated. They never moved, were never going to “actually” move and got caught. Now they are trying to bring down the very people they feel responsible and they are using the Tribune and Aram. You guys are a joke. How about reporting on something other than SD for a change. Pics of practice, then a Bonita/SD Smudgepot piece, then a piece on the SD pre season and now this. Whats your deal with these guys anyway. There are way more schools out there you are not writing about.

    • AramT

      Highlander,

      Thanks for letting your idiocy shine for all to see. Everything would be all good with your point if it weren’t for the fact that THERE’S AN ACTUAL INVESTIGATION BY THE SCHOOL TAKING PLACE. If there wasn’t and we ran a story of a parent making a gripe, then you maybe have a point. But since there is AN ACTUAL INVESTIGATION TAKING PLACE, guess what, that makes it a story.

      Shoot the messenger all you want, but it is news when a coaching staff, especially one at one of the top programs in our area, is being INVESTIGATED BY THE SCHOOL.

      Thanks for the TMZ compliment. I relish that comparison because TMZ has become a fantastic news source that’s WAY AHEAD of just about everybody else on countless stories.

      • SDSaints

        So Aram will you write an article when this story is proven to be slander, and clear Z’s name? Or once you got your BS story for blog hits your done!

        • AramT

          What’s slanderous about writing a story saying there’s an investigation and here’s what the investigation is about?

          Z’s name doesn’t need any clearing. His name is still more than good. These are still only allegations. We’ll see what the investigation turns up.

          My story didn’t convict or say he did this. Allz I wrote was that he’s being investigated and what the allegations are.

          I’d get hits regardless.

          • Sour Grapes

            So, you don’t think this hurts coach Z in any way? What planet are you from Aram?! I guess it’s okay to say insinuating things regardless of their consequences, just because you didn’t “actually say it”? C’mon dude! Words matter!

        • FredJ

          This isn’t about blog hits, it would be irresponsible of us NOT to report a story of a school district launching an investigation of its football coach and program .. Whatever the outcome is will be reported as well.

          • Sour Grapes

            They’re not investigating the coaches! They’re investigating an allegation from a disgruntled ex-player and his family! There is a huge difference!

        • SaintsR4real

          Children please, it’s only slander if its not true. Unfortunately for Coach Zernikow and possibly his staff, the allegations are true but have never gone passed the parents and Coach Z.

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    Let the mud slinging begin…I think most kids are taking protein shakes on their own. If Payton was cleared to play at Upland, we would not be seeing this unfold. This is clearly a act of revenge. The timing of the allegations taints the appearance of any legitimate concern regarding “loaded shakes”. The first thing is the district is going to say is why now? If you knew this was going on why didn’t you report this when your child ingested the first shake? That means you supported it and did not care. Obviously, no one cared. Everyone knows what coach z is doing at SD. No one else is reporting anything. “Starting this whole thing”? That type of language is juvenile. Really, if you sift through all the drama, this really comes down to Coach Z telling Payton and his family that he may not be BCS material as of now. In sports you have to judge talent honestly. That is based upon what you see. Others may see something different. However your coach knows your talent. Especially when you are their star. For a parent to accuse a coach of throwing away letters and all that, seems a little crazy. Maybe the letters never came, orth the ones that did were not BCS….What came was the influence from Upland, and did not work out. Upland did not miss a beat, San Dimas did not miss a beat, and now the Payton camp is left holding the bag. When will the games stop? One kid and his family that they were bigger than the team, and it’s showing bad here.

    • AramT

      GP, the timing thing is addressed in the story. According to Mr. Lyons, he didn’t know about this whole shake thing until people started coming forward with their stories in recent weeks. As he said, it wasn’t trump card he was holding and waiting to use at the perfect time.

      Up to the court of opinion whether you want to believe him.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        The district has not said anything, they are investigating. Lyons is saying everything. I am just saying that there is no way the district would believe that he was ignorant to allegation he is making at this time. Of course he is going to say that this is not a effort to ruin coach z. The bottom line is he would not have reported anything if Z signed off on the transfer to Upland. That means he never cared about any of these other players. what was in a shake etc… He was on the first thing smoking to Upland. But if Coach Z did have some funny shakes, then he should have signed off on the transfer as well. Bad things happen when you are selfish. Now they are all in a pickle. This is not what San Dimas football Needs at the moment. It’s all disgusting. Maybe you are right…Just sign off on all transfers…

      • coachbilly

        If Lyons is willing to bring forth these allegations, then lets test Jake and really find out what’s in the shakes. My bet, it would never happen and he wouldn’t have the guts to do it.
        Might surprise some…

  • MAM242

    Is this High School Football or the Real Housewives of Orange County? All this CIF transfer stuff is starting to sound like a nasty celebrity divorce. Just play football already!

  • Not So Fast My Friend

    No one and I mean no one should be surprised about this. When I saw the headline the first thing I thought was Payton’s people are firing back. Once I read it, well I took comfort in being right. Clearly this is payback for challenging Payton’s transfer to Upland.

    I doubt some of you will agree with this style of cold war scrimmaging, but I’ll be in the minority on this one. First rule of “doing dirt” is making sure you don’t have anything someone can hold against you. Payton’s peeps felt as if they did and tossed it right at the school districts’ front door. Second rule is not to let the root of “doing dirt” be from spite or vindictiveness. Several posters called the coach to the carpet (yours truly included) for challenging the transfer. I’ve always felt if a kid wants to leave your program, you let them go (after you’ve talked with them about it). That’s no different in college athletics (absent the politics). Chances are your program will be better off for it either athletically or via team chemistry. And if the mantra is no one is bigger than the team, or the program, then fawning over a player that wants to leave makes the mantra circumstantially motivated and shallow.

    Then there were those that defended the coach. Held him in high regard and called him a noble man. They beat their keyboard up smacking the keys in praise of the coach standing up for the rules, as they saw it. I don’t know the coach, so I can’t comment on him as a person, but what I do know is that being an unvested observer, I’m objective and unbiased in what I see and what I read. If the coach was upset at rumors (until proven, it’s a rumor, when a complaint is made, it’s an allegation) about Upland tampering (recruiting) Payton, then make a formal complaint. As of today, I haven’t read anywhere that he has. But what he did do was cause a young man an opportunity to change his life. And if what I read was accurate, that Payton was/is a foster kid, it makes what the coach did that much more egregious.

    Whether or not the allegations against the coach end up going anywhere doesn’t matter at this point. His reputation got a black eye that won’t heal anytime so. That’s what being vindictive gets you. You end up suffering more than the object of your wrath. Knowing that, then why do it in the first place?

    The door is now open for not only questions about that, but anything else that may come the Districts way. Stand by to stand by. It’s just getting started.

    • AramT

      Wow. Strong.

      Not So Fast,

      I think you hit on something. In both the Noodles and Payton cases, I said repeatedly that it’s bad form to challenge transfers. Makes the school, football program and coaches look like jilted lovers. The best policy is “if you don’t want to be here, then leave”. And as we can see now, if you challenge a transfer it opens the door for somebody to grow a motive to retaliate. Not saying that’s what’s happened here, but I truly believe that it’s a component of it.

      So needless to say, this is another example of why this rule needs to go away.

      • Saints Fan

        Aram / Not So — I have a kid on this team, I have seen Coach Z up close and personal, I have also seen Jake and the Lyons (well Shara anyway cuz up to this point she has been the family front person). So yes my perspective is tainted and not objective. First and foremost in my opinion, the Noodles case and Jakes case can not be lumped together. I only have the “reported knowledge” on Noodles, but the challenge there appears to be based on an e-mail dissing the coach. Which by the way is a direct example of what is “against” the rules. Jakes case is bigger. It goes right at the very heart of “poaching” players from other programs. Telling a player he would get this, would get that if only he were “here with US”. Despite the fact there were colleges on the San Dimas campus talking to Jake, were there not ?? There is documented evidence otherwise CIF is too scared to do anything on these matters, so it is fact. Coach Z was quoted by you as not going to challenge, then expressed that it was “group” bigger decision. So I am not sure giving him a black eye is fair.
        What I do know is this is absolutely and positively vindictive and trying to get even for the challenge. So be it, “cold wars” are always evident, jilted lovers always happen and I am sure everyone kinda knew this seemed to be going away too easily. There were some of us who were kinda hoping Jake would see all this and be at that first day of Camp. So, apparently “others” came forward to Mr. Lyons and that made him grow a conscience??? There is an easy “don’t blame just me”… and then quoting of not giving recruiting letters, etc. funny, that never came up before. It is also funny how Mrs Lyons was the Booster President (up until April of this year by the way), worked her tail off supporting the program, rallying the troops for Coach of the Week and Coach of the Year campaigns to local news channels, she was the quintessential SD Rah Rah leader and was pulling everyone along with her. Go look at the Video from last year on Channel 4, all the other propaganda and there is Mrs Lyons front and center, the vocal one. If this Coach and this program was such a detriment to the student athletes that we must take action, so why only now after the “school” says enough is enough someone has to take a stance.
        So now you move a few months forward, attitudes change, suddenly this place you have been so tirelessly pumping is no good. Oh and by the way, they have been pumping my “baby” with stuff they shouldn’t have and throwing away his letters and telling other bad stories. Bull, aaaah, but now the Front person is Mr Lyons, yep, now he steps up . That’s because he isn’t a district employee.
        Well I will tell you this. If it is proven that Coach Z and his staff have been giving the players “banned” substances, creatine, etc. I will be right there at the door with boxes packing them up. HOWEVER, if it was Muscle Milk, Protein shakes the kids get in any GNC, or similar items, then , well, that black eye get’s driven directly into the Lyons faces.
        As to this being evidence that the rules should be changed, whether I or all of us believe that to be the case is definitely a debate and something to look at. But the cold hard fact is, there are Rules. We all know the Rules. While some argue the rules are vague or grey, no not really. What is vague is peoples interpretation of how they can bend / twist / whatever the rules to work for them. The current Rules in place are very simple. You can not move around for purely Athletic purposes. Agree or disagree, it is the Rule. A school or anyone who has any connection to a school can not persuade, discuss, coerce a student athlete into coming to that school. Agree or disagree, it is the Rule. People do it every day, yep, we all know it, but does that mean we should change it? People under the age of 21 drink alcohol every day, yep we all know it, but there is a law against it. Should we change that just because everyone does it?

        • AramT

          But what about when a law or rule is stupid? I’m tired of people saying “law is the law” or “rules are rules” … but what about when the rules/laws are archaic and stupid? They shouldn’t be changed? If these were simple protein shakes, and I have no reason to think they weren’t, then I have no problem with it and nobody should get in trouble over it.

          The trouble with certain CIF bylaws/rules, is that they are put in place by people who still wish it was 1960. Let me be clear, I’m not talking about any CIF commissioners or asst. commissioners, I’m talking about the member schools who make the rules for CIF to monitor and enforce.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            If a coach gives a child something without parental knowledge or consent and it was determined that this product caused a adverse reaction in someone’s child….then what? Cif has to have this rule, to cover themselves as well.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Exactly. The point is the coach shouldn’t be giving anything to a player that’s considered a supplement without the parents knowledge and consent. Can you imagine the liability in doing that and the player has a negative reaction to it?

          • MonkeyWrench

            How about playas should take anything they havent discussed with dar parents. If cooach is giving something day cant get on there own maybe u got a case. Dont put your relationshiip with ur kid on da coach. 7-11 clerks shouldnt sell muscle milk to my kid….LOL, Raise your kid.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            BOOM!

          • MonkeyWrench

            Coaches giving da players something they can buy at 7-11 shouldn’t be an infraction or an issue with da parents. Coaches dont need be needing permission to give playas gatoraide and today muscle milk fall in da same catagory. Save da drama for you mama

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Lol…Ban gatorade too! I don’t think it’s a big deal. But the rule is in place to prevent coaches from administering more serious supplements, which is probably happening. I think Fred hit on the nail…parents must be informed, if coach is dishing supplements out. If they are doing it behind coaches back then that’s not his issue. Recommendation along with parental consent is the best way to go. Administering anything yourself, is not the best way to go. Why risk your credibility and reputation. If a kid has poor diet, he is probably not going to gain any good weight. You know the hot cheetos lunch/ with a large mountain do is no bueno mi amigo..

          • SaintsR4real

            Chango,

            The drinks were not something you can buy over the counter, they were called at the time by the players “protein shakes” which the players were asked by the coaches to drink them without knowing what was in them and without any parent consent.
            That alone has not sat right by the parents over the years.

          • MonkeyWrench

            Another dumbass reply. yea Ok drink this ask not question tell no one. That happen all the time. Bahahahaaha. Actually I think it was da coach on the grassy knoll that gave it to him….. Not buying da crap u selling.

          • SaintsR4real

            Chango,
            I won’t reply by calling you names, but I did not say they asked the kids not to tell anyone. They pushed the kids to drink the shake without parent consent and not telling the kids what was in them, from 2007 to present. Not selling, merely facts.

          • AMAT 73

            Aram ,
            What exactly is the rule on a coach or staff giving players supplements be it liquid or pill form without the parents knowledge it is being done . From what I gather , that is the infraction at core of this , is it not ? And if that is the case , is that the rule you are calling stupid ??? Why would it be a stupid rule to make the coach inform the parents of a child that they are plan to give their child supplements regardless if sold OTC or otherwise for weight gain ????

          • What in the wide world!

            I think Aram is still bantering about how he feels the transfer rules are stupid.

          • AMAT 73

            WITWW,
            I don’t think so because he writes after the archaic and stupid line , if they were simple protein shakes , he has no problem with it , so I think he is saying that about the rule on supplements and coaches giving them out . But lets wait to see if he responds .

          • AramT

            Yeah, I’m kinda all over the map. Stupid and archaic applies to transfer rules… but if you want to say the same about the supplements, that’s fine.

            To have a rule that says athletes can’t be given anything to promote muscle growth or add bulk kinda means you can’t give them shakes period. What is the point of giving them even a protein shake if it’s not for gain?

          • Joe Amat

            Rules may be archaic, may even be unfair, but as long as they are rules they need t be followed and enforced – not ignored and laughed at.

            NCAA athletes should be be able to make some sort of compensation to cover cost of attendance and then some – but Johnny Football KNOWS you can’t sell autographs and MUST take the fall.

            UNTIL the O’Bannon case is ettled and things change

          • AMAT 73

            Aram,
            Wrote a reply to this earlier but got the held by moderator reply . Can you check and if not I will post again.

          • Jastrab

            Aram…this is how it seems to work to me…Most programs let the kids go with no issue…they may not like it but as you said if they are not happy why keep them around…some, for some reason, want to make it an issue…some even do that when they net get more transfers in than out…

        • SaintsR4real

          You sure have a lot to say for not knowing much (facts).

          • MonkeyWrench

            You sure have a lot to say cosidering you use to be a Z lover
            SaintsR4real • 9 months ago
            Frida can’t come any sooner!
            The team that executes their plays better and minimal turnovers, with solid defense, wins this game. I believe Coach Z and his outstanding staff will have the boys prepared for success. That means the boys will write their own story Friday night

          • SaintsR4real

            Still am a Coach Z fan. I am merely stating the facts, that’s all. Sorry you misinterpretated my message.

        • Jastrab

          What about losing your home and having to move…You don’t get much more clear as to why the change of address. Or Did Upland/staff somehow orchestrate something with the banks too!

          • Saints Fan

            Seriously, welcome to the party 3 weeks late !!! No time to catch you up, spend some time getting yourself caught up. Oh and pull one line out of a 3 week story and try and make a headline… nice try.

          • Jastrab

            Here is the bottom line, Z did not want this kid to leave or was upset that he was leaving…why mess with the kid!!

        • Trojan Fan32

          Hey Saints Fan, do you still have your old JV jersey hanging on the wall in your garage? You sound an awful lot like one of “those guys” that everybody talks about during the game on Friday nights. The one that is screaming bloody murder at every flag that is thrown again SDHS. The one that has to talk to the coaches after every game wondering why his kid didn’t get any playing time. Grow up kid. It is only a game! If the kid has an opportunity to go to another school and he will be happy there, let him go. If he is able to get a scholarship that allows him to pursue higher education, let him go. How many times does Upland play SDHS next season? I think they are in different leagues/divisions etc. Its not going to have ANY impact on the SDHS program at all, not even in the playoffs. Let it go kid!!
          Oh, by the way, Muscle Milk is a banned substance by the NCAA, so you better get those boxes and start packing…

          • MonkeyWrench

            If you want to try to be all technicall and stuff. Muscle milk aint banned. NCAA dont be banning products they be banning substances. Day do not review products to see what be in dem. Some Muscle Milk products do contain banned substance but not all. I bet you be the guy that says Bush didnt technically do wrong too

          • What?

            Muscle Milk is the brand name, not the product. The company Muscle Milk makes several different protein products some that may or may not be banned by the NCAA but one product for sure that ISN’T banned is called Muscle Milk Collegiate Powder. I would imagine the only products that Muscle Milk makes that are banned by the NCAA would be those protein products which contain Creatine.

          • MonkeyWrench

            I be saying it again there is not a band product list. There is be a banned substance list. Muscle Milk is be a product Cyto Sport be the company not Muscle Milk. Muscle Milk Collegiate is an example of a product without banned substance.

  • New York

    The real question is whether or not there were any traces of creatine or other banned supplements within these meal plans. If so, it will be interesting to see the reaction. Will this be another Arcadia situation? Will the CIF launch a mass investigation and education program for every high school in the Section? Stand by.

    • Don

      Protein Blend (Calcium Sodium Caseinate, Milk Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Hydrolysate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Lactoferrin, L-Glutamine, Taurine), Maltodextrin, Alkalized Cocoa Powder, Sunflower Oil, Soluble Corn Fiber, Canola Oil, Crystalline Fructose, Medium Chain Triglycerides, Natural And Artificial Flavor, Di-Calcium Phosphate, Less Than 1% Of: Potassium Bicarbonate, Inulin, Magnesium Oxide, Acesulfame-K, Potassium Bicarbonate, Soy Lecithin, Sucralose, DL-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate, Ascorbic Acid, Ferrous Fumarate, Vitamin A Palmitate, Niacinamide, Zinc Oxide, Copper Gluconate, Calcium Pantothenate, L-Carnitine, Cholecalciferol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Chromium Chloride, Folic Acid, Biotin, Potassium Iodide, Cyanocobalamin.Contains Ingredients Derived From Milk And Soy.This Product Is Manufactured In A Facility That Processes Milk, Soy, Wheat And Eggs.

  • gettingOld

    I think that it is important to point out that Muscle Milk is a NCAA
    banned substance. Collegiate athletes are only allowed to consume a much
    less potent version of the product; Muscle Milk Collegiate. May sound
    harmless but these products are not FDA approved and long term effects
    are unknown. Many schools in the area including USC give their athletes
    chocolate milk and peanut butter sandwiches to put on weight. Giving
    developing young bodies “lab” made protein is not the coaches job. Coach
    the kids and let us the parents choose to give “our” players
    supplements or just plain old food.

    • Saints Fan

      Think you might want to tone down a little. These coaches did not shove this on ALL the players (and not even saying they did anything cuz I don’t personally know). Mine has been there 2 years and didn’t even know what this was about.

      • gettingOld

        In no way am I making a comment towards Coach Z. I’m just responding to the comments others have made in regards to “it’s just a protein shake”

  • FredJ

    First, I have a lot of respect for coach Z and he gets the benefit of the doubt as far as I’m concerned.

    However, when it comes to providing shakes for players, which in this case seems to be for weight-gaining purposes, it needs to be spelled out exactly what’s in them and with parent consent. You have to protect yourself today as coaches and providing a letter with signatures from parents and players is a must in situations like this.

    I read the text changes provided to us and the only concern I had is that most players who took these shakes didn’t know exactly what was in them. It seemed they were all guessing and nobody knew for sure.

    Again, in my conversations and history with Coach Z, it’s difficult for me to believe he would provide shakes that could be categorized as illegal by CIF’s standards.

    But I do think schools and coaching staff’s need to do a better job communicating with students, parents and the administration in situations like this.

    • Sour Grapes

      If you respect Z and can’t imagine he would do this, then why would you run this without at least some kind of actual evidence to the contrary?! Will your “respect” lead you to retract this crap if it turns out they actually were drinking milk shakes as a reward for their hard work? Literally the only specific contents of these shakes mentioned anywhere, was a text from a kid who said he “thought” it was muscle milk. At best that’s hearsay, which isn’t evidence!
      Fred, in your heart of hearts you know this is sour grapes. Why you would run this instead of the hundreds of stories of kids and coaches who are busting their tails to do it right, is beyond comprehension!
      Like I posted elsewhere, I’m not surprised Aram would jump at the opportunity to bury Z, but I’m shocked you allowed him to drag you down! You’re a better journalist than this Fred!

      • AramT

        There’s nothing to retract. There is an investigation by the district, which is what we reported. And we reported what the investigation is about.

        Those things are not opinion. We are obligated to run stories in situations like this.

        Sorry you can’t grasp that.

        • Sour Grapes

          So if someone alleges a “prominent” local sports writer is beating his wife….are you obligated to trumpet it from the headlines before you even know if there’s ANYTHING to support that allegation? I think not! It’s called common sense or even better, integrity Aram!

          • AramT

            Allege with a police investigation, then yes, we trumpet.

            Allege with no investigation, then no, we don’t run it.

          • Sour Grapes

            Police investigation?!!!! Are you saying the police are investigating the SD coaches?! That IS news! If they’re not, then your position is not valid. Which is it?

        • AMAT 73

          Aram,
          Do you have anything on this supposed court order business going around on Payton and playing at Upland .

  • What in the wide world!

    Wow, if we’re going to start firing coaches and coaching staff’s for providing protein shakes to kids then I doubt there will be any coaches left standing after the smoke clears. Just about every coaching staff in America has be providing, recommending, or directing kids to protein shakes for the last 30+ years.

    • reality

      Do you know how many more lawyers we have now than 30 years ago. It’s all about potential lawsuits.

      • What in the wide world!

        A wise man once wrote “First, Kill all the lawyers”

    • Ana Kin

      You got that right !!! Most, if not all are doing it.

  • reality

    Uh Oh Fred. You kinda sound like George Steinbrenner when he said to Billy Martin “You’re my guy” just before firing him.

  • Aaron

    Magic Shakes…uh huh, hard for me to think they wouldn’t have the tub of whey right there in front of the kids or the EAS/MuscleMilk or whatever shakes they were clearly displayed…if they were providing them.

    Also to point out, Muscle Milk Collegiate is not a toned down version, different and specifically a post workout version based on the high carb content. Muscle Milk has a weight/mass gainer, feel free to look at their online catalogue.

  • What in the wide world!

    It’s kind of ironic that this article is right above the Scoby article and picture which is directly below. I wonder what kind of protein drinks Scoby has been taking to get that circa 1970′s Arnold Schwarzenegger body?

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      Scoby has been buff since he was 8 years old. Come on…If you look at maxpreps or any publications with pictures of the top high school players, some are manchildren… Scoby fits that description. Ellis McCarthy didn’t look like a 18 year old kid. Was he on something too? Stop it.

      • MonkeyWrench

        Your just stupid if you dink Scoby got that way naturally!

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Why not? Are you saying that a no young man can look like that at 18? Well, go find the needle…and holla back.. until than, I just say he is a beast.

      • Saint Fan

        Have you seen Patrick Sanchez the Damien D linemen that guy is also a monster

        • Saints Fan

          Oh man, why did you come up with a name so similar to mine, now people are going to think you are me… dang.
          hahaha — Greenie, it aint me bruddah, but if I was you, I’d slow my role on this one.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            LOl…I hate when people do that..but maybe they didn’t know about your name. That’s why I am Green Pastures…Greenie and Green Machine in one. No one wants to be mistaken for me anyways…

          • Saints Fan

            I hear that bruddah, no one wants to be me neither, cuz I don’t know nothing. That’s cool.

      • Swordsman FB

        GP, you can’t be that ignorant. McCarthy was huge, but round huge like a lineman. Scoby has the physique of a professional bodybuilder, which comes from lifting and supplements. The question is what kind of supplements. If you truly believe the supplements are not PEDS, then you really are naive.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          I’ve known the kid since he was 8. He has always had a crazy physique. He had back arms in JAAF. However, I will be fair and say you never know. Lineman don’t tone as well or as much as RB’s. Just go look at the top RB’s in high school. You will see some buff kids.

  • AZTEC PRIDE

    Yes finally figured out how to post from my OFFICE COMPUTER and I had to turn off my compatilbility settings! .. What’s ARAM!!

    • AramT

      Nice to have you, El Gran Senor.

  • waterone

    Maybe the Lyon allegations were made concurrent with the transfer in order to justify the transfer and Not due to sour grapes! Even though this would still be viewed as athletically motivated, maybe this supplement charge has merit! People, you reap what you sow. If the coach was wrong, he Ain’t gettn away with it…

  • Highlander

    Aram you are the master of inside info…TMZ, rumor has it Payton is a scout team all american at Upland right now. Do D1 colleges recruit from the scout team. As for this story, it will go away faster than Payton’s chances of getting a D1 scholarship. SCOUT TEAM ALL CIF

  • coachbilly

    This is truly ridiculous Mr. Lyons. Are you to sit here and tell the SGV community that Mr. Tre wasn’t recommending your son take protein weather it be in a form of liquid, power or by food. Muscle Milk or any other form of protein isn’t illegal. In fact, natural supplements are governed by the Dshea Act of 1994 enacted by congress.
    Someone should do some research before trying to BUST a coaches balls for suggesting getting more protein for your over all health. NCAA and Cif needs to get with the program and understand what is classified as PED and what isnt. Who gives a rats A$$ as long as its helping build the athlete in a natural way!
    Pathetic folks…..

    The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA) defines dietary supplements as food and not drugs

  • coachbilly

    This is truly ridiculous Mr. Lyons. Are you to sit here and tell the SGV community that Mr. Tre wasn’t recommending your son take protein weather it be in a form of liquid, power or by food. Muscles Milk or any other form of protein isn’t illegal. In fact, natural supplements are governed by the Dshea Act of 1994 enacted by congress.
    Someone should do some research before trying to BUST a coaches balls for suggesting getting more protein for your over all health. Cif needs to get with the program and understand what is classified as PED and what isnt. Who gives a rats A$$ as long as its helping build the athlete in a natural way!
    Pathetic folks…..

    • Lupe

      Good Stuff.

  • Pete

    There is a court order saying Jake has to be allowed to play at Upland.
    The scout team remarks are just lame.

    • AMAT 73

      Come on 7Steel, opps I mean Pete . No need to change your name . We’re friendly over here and we need more IE input since a few of our teams do butt heads with some of yours .

      • AramT

        I really don’t know what the hell any of you who are saying Jake is a scout team guy at Upland are talking about.

        Did you ever think that maybe he’s a scout team guy right now, if that’s even the case, because he’s ineligible and they wouldn’t give first-team reps to somebody who wasn’t going to play in the actual games? Would you put someone who is ineligible on the first team and let the guy or guys who are actually going to be playing in the real games stand there and watch?

        Look, I get it, some people wanna come here and hate. But Jake Payton is going to get a lot of time on both offense and defense at Upland if he’s eligible.

        I’ve talked to several people about this already who know the Upland program.

        I’m not saying Jake is an SEC back, but I can guarantee you that he’s more than good enough to play somewhere in the Mountain West.

        • Sour Grapes

          Which is what Z told Jake and his guardians! They blew a gasket and took their marbles elsewhere!

        • What?

          The difference between Pac12 and Mountain West talent is very slight. This kid is not at D1 talent level period end of story. If he had a GREAT senior year he might have picked up an offer from the likes of Sac St. or Eastern Washington, maybe. In truth his most likely option would have been APU or Citrus. This kid is no where in the same class as the likes of Solomon from Westco a couple of years ago and he is currently at Nevada, which is a Mt. West School. There are huge numbers of very talented running backs out there playing high school football and very, very few ever receive scholarship offers.

    • What?

      Court orders carry very little weight at the CIF level. Upland might allow the kid to suit up but there is no coach in his right mind that will play a kid that has been declared ineligible due to the fact that if and when CIF appeals to the court and wins then all games that the kid was allowed to play in will be forfeited games retroactively.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Besides, My guess is that Jake has not been getting many reps if any. I can’t tell you how sad it is that he’s not playing. If he would have stayed at SD from the beginning, there would probably be an article about how good he is. I am sure after a stellar senior year, he would be looking at a D1AA offer at the least.

        • What?

          In all likelihood, if there is a court order, it’s a temporary injunction that legally allows the kid to play pending his court hearing. But like I posted, if the kid losses his court hearing down the road, any games that Upland allowed the kid to play in will then be forfeited. No coach is going to take that kind of risk, especially if the kid’s not a vital part of their team.

    • Saints Fan

      Participate in all extra curricular activities, yep you are right. Play on Friday night, Not as long as the CIF Website says DENIED.

    • Don

      Hey Aram, you guys have really arrived. Now you have the Upland guy from the ie boards chiming in. This ought to be as much fun as the guy from north corona.

      • AramT

        Or as much fun as the guy supposedly from Norco.

        By the way, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

        • Don

          “Hey Aram, you guys have really arrived. Now you have the Upland guy from the ie boards chiming in.”

          This means your subject matter has attracted the attention of at least one regular poster on the prep football message boards from the Inland Empire, (Pete aka 7steel). This is a good step in expanding your coverage of ‘area’ football to include Baseline League powerhouses like Upland and R C as this guy has posted links to the huddle site on other boards. I presume that this is a good thing for your blog, thus the “really arrived”.

          “This ought to be as much fun as the guy from north corona.”

          The Trib prep sports blogs had a guy posting a year or two ago repping football east of the 57 and ripping that played west. He had more than one nom de plum but at least one
          of them had to do with Norco. Later it turned out that the guy lived over by Santana Regional but was trying a new online persona. I had a little fun with him; even wrote him a little poem once.

          My apologies for my lack of clarity.

          • AMAT 73

            Oso Viejo aka Don,
            All we need is to get blng blng on here belching out his Edison and other crap and then we would have some real fun !!!!!

          • Don

            LOL

            Problem with ‘tank’, (as he was known on the old OC board),
            or blng blng, the current name on rivals, is that he is a Dave White Charger (Edison model, not C O) and not a Bill Workman model.

            Workman, who was a former teacher of mine and kind of an early football mentor, was the guy who had the success at Edison. White, a fine Coach and apparently stand up guy has seemed to take that program backwards until last year when they finally won a D6 title.

    • SDSaints

      The court order does not take away the CIF rule. The courts will battle it out and he will still sit. Noodles lost too.

  • Aaron

    Apparently it’s national paratrooper day…I could care, but I’m a Cavalryman.

  • SGV_Football_Fan

    Wanted to Find Out for Myself….So here is what the CIF SS Blue Book says…

    (9) Ensure that all coaches, paid and unpaid, will have completed a coaching education program that emphasizes
    the following components: Sport physiology: principles of training; fi tness for sport; development of a training program; nutrition for athletes; and the harmful effects associated with the use of steroids and performanceenhancing
    dietary supplements by adolescents;

    An athletic director, sports coach, school offi cial or employee or booster club/support group member may
    provide only non-muscle building nutritional supplements to a student-athlete at any time for the purpose
    of providing additional calories and electrolytes.
    An athletic director, sports coach, school offi cial or employee or booster club/support group member may
    provide only non-muscle building nutritional supplements to a student-athlete at any time for the purpose
    of providing additional calories and electrolytes.

    Permissible non-muscle building nutritional supplements are identifi ed according to the following
    classes: Carbohydrate/electrolyte drinks; energy bars; carbohydrate boosters and vitamins and minerals.

    • AMAT 73

      sgvff,
      Does it state anywhere in there that they can be administered without the knowledge or permission of the parent or guardian .

      • SGV_Football_Fan

        73,

        Didn’t see any mention of parents in the Blue Book sections discussing supplements, etc.

        As I read it, it appears that giving anything other than Carbohydrate/electrolyte drinks; energy bars; carbohydrate boosters and vitamins and minerals to a student-athlete with or without parental consent would be a violation of CIF rules.
        Just my read.

    • Aaron

      So Spaghetti and Cheeseburgers…got it.

  • reality

    I’am fairly certain what the San Dimas admins are hoping for is for this story to blow over and burn itself out then supplanted by another story soon. It’s working, as the hits have slowed to a crawl. The only problem left is how hard the Lyon’s want to push and if they can afford litigation. Does not appear to be much lawsuit dough on this one.

  • True Identity

    To all you SD Fans and Z supporters, this is a quote from Z himself a few weeks back. “We had a change of heart, it’s a group decision,” Saints football coach Bill Zernickow said. “My opinion is that you can’t say nothing if something happened.” His opinion is that you have to say something if something happened. Crucify Mr. Lyons all you want, but he is just following the advice given by your beloved Coach Z. I believe multiple players confirmed that some sort of shakes were being given. That is for sure something happening.

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  • SGVHighSchoolFootball

    dont know what the big deal is..weight gainers are protein shakes with a high amount of carbs. It is equivalent to eating some chicken and a few cups of rice. There should me more of a concern on these 16/17 year old kids that are taking prohormones. Something that has become an issue in the SGV the last 10 years. A lot of these “stars” that are brought up on these blogs are taking them..that should be a bigger concern.

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