NEW! All-Encompassing SGV(N) Top 25 … post-passing circuit edition …

As promised, I said I would do another Top 25 after the passing circuit. Some teams may have a few throws left here and there, but most everybody has wrapped it up. And we, as fans and media, have been able to see some of paint peeled back and get a good idea who’s packing what in the skill spots. SO here goes …

1. Bishop Amat — Won Air Assault. Simply loaded at WR.
2. Glendora — Lack of outside speed is being overblown.
3. Charter Oak — Youth at QB and on D, but loaded with athletes.
4. St. Francis — Lots to like in skill spots, but QB is a question.
5. Chino Hills — The horses are there to bang in the Baseline.
6. Los Altos — Line is scary. Amat transfer at RB. QB is 6-2.
7. Monrovia — Looking like quite the dynamic offense.
8. Muir — If QB question gets answered, look out Southeast!
9. La Habra — Just give the ball to Carlos Martin. That’s all.
10. San Dimas — Rumblings about some interesting options in the skill spots.
11. Damien — Think this team will take another step forward.
12. La Mirada — Looks to be much improved speed-wise.
13. West Covina — QB battle still not decided. Solid team.
14. Ayala — Make no mistake, this is Glendora’s big threat in Palomares.
15. Pomona — If Devils have a line … wow … watch out.
16. La Serna — You don’t lose Frankie Football and get better, do you?
17. South Hills — QB and WRs looked very sharp on passing circuit.
18. La Salle — Some nice pieces, but St. Francis/Cathedral look strong.
19. Arroyo — Going back to making Knights MVL favorites.
20. Diamond Ranch — Post-Roddy Era will be interesting.
21. Bonita — Getting Verdugo back helps outlook for offense.
22. Pasadena — Believe me now and hear me later.
23. Baldwin Park — Surprise team. Write it down.
24. Rosemead — Losing QB Nava to Amat hurts, but still loaded.
25. San Marino — Offense should be explosive thru the air.

OUTGOING: Diamond Bar, Montebello, Maranatha.

  • Charger Pride

    I’m calling it right now, Charter Oak vs Glendora for Central title

    • AramT

      Why wait? They’ll throw it down on Sept. 25 at Citrus Coll.

      • Charger Pride

        I know that, but don’t you agree that that’s a very possible CIF preview?

        • AramT

          Yes, extremely possible. Very high on Glendora and by the time November rolls around, CO could be scary.

          • WCDan

            Aram, after taking a closer look, I’m not so high on Glendora. They graduated their top two running backs. Their leading returning rusher is their QB, Matt Fink who according to max preps had 182 yards for the season. As for their receivers, their top two receivers yardage wise are gone. QB Fink is big with a strong arm but he completed less than 50% of his passes, to his credit, he was only a sophomore, he may have a big year as a junior. Based on who they have returning I don’t see a lot, unless you know of a couple of studs coming up from the lower ranks. Where they do have a lot of returners is on defense, they look like all their key players are coming back, if your basing your high rank for them on their returning defense, then ok I guess.
            I think Chino Hills with a lot of key returners from a good team last year looks like they should be #2.
            Charter Oak with only 8 returners total and breaking in a new QB is a question mark at #3, but you know they will have talent coming up or transfering in. I haven’t seen them this summer so I go by who is returning for them and so far all I see is Echols at RB and Ortiz at LB as the only key players returning. Maybe St. Francis would fit better at #3 then La Habra at 4 ,Glendora at #5, CO at #6. I also think any one of teams like West Co, Los Altos, Monrovia, Muir, Damien, and Ayala may rise up to the level of a top 5 team by seasons end.

          • AramT

            Great points, Dan.

            About Glendora, they have a nice talent base. They are a big, physical team. I know he doesn’t show up in the stats, but Ben Northup (6-6 335) at tackle is back. He was All-Area last season. The TE Kieran Campbell is a specimen. Like you said, the defense has a lot back and they had some nice moments.

            So, in totality — top QB in Valley, big line, veteran defense. To me, they have far fewer questions than many of the teams around them and last season they beat teams like Upland and CO. And remember, Fink showed he’s phenomenal in the 4th quarter of close games.

          • Observantcat

            I’m not buying the QB factor either my man, I don’t know if you recall a kid by the name of Andrew Elffers over at Maranatha back in 2011, just in case you don’t, here are his sophomore stats. By far a phenom and look what could happen. Fink is great but would be even greater if he had the skill guys to bring out all of his great work, fast defenses will eat him alive if he doesn’t get the help he needs at the skills positions.

          • Observantcat

            My badd, I thought his stats would appear below my post but here they are anyway
            Elffers: So
            GP: 12
            CO: 189
            Att:292
            YDS: 3,328
            C%: .647
            AVG: 17.608
            Y/G: 277.3
            TD: 37
            INT: 10
            QB RATE: 129

          • AramT

            Elffers was called the top QB in SoCal by LA TImes Sondheimer entering either his junior or senior season. Although he’s now at APU, he pretty disappointed in those two seasons after a big sophomore year.

            The difference between Fink and Elffers is that Fink beat teams like Upland and CO as a sophomore. He has played with the big boys already and beaten some of them while most other kids would struggling at that age. He is also more agile than Elffers. Fink runs a 4.6 40, which is pretty darn good.

          • Observantcat

            Elffers had a very fast delivery and with a team like Glendora the world would have certainly been different. I like this kid but I hope that he brings it this year with his group of receivers. Should be interesting.

          • What?

            I wouldn’t call Elffers Jr. year disappointing. With a new coach and a new offense he still threw for 2000+ yards, 64% comp, 22 td / 7 int. Those are pretty good numbers for anyone. Then in his Sr. yr. he blew out his knee early in the season, not much control he had over that. Non the less your talking about a kid that threw for over 5,500 yards and 60+ td’s in his high school career. There aren’t too many kids that have ever done that in the SGV.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Stop it! I don’t think you understand how fast that is for a high school QB. Fink does not run a 4.6 it’s more like a 4.8
            If he was that fast he would have more than 200 yrds rushing. I think Nick Bueno ran a 4.6 or so. He is not moving like that.

            Fink is better than Elfers.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            He was not winner though…and really he couldn’t toss a spiral when i saw him.

          • Mean Joe Green

            Lots of people are either making excuses for the kids passing league performance against Monrovia or using his performance to say he is no good. Personally, I thought he looked damn good in passing league. I liked his size, his release, his stance and his zip. I in no way thought that his teams performance was an indicator of how good/bad of a QB he was. He definitely has the tangibles and from the highlight reel he looks like he delivers under the big lights. That is a lot considering he was only a sophomore. My question to all of the naysayers is, “what other sophomore QBs out there accomplished more?” I have to give credit where credit is due. The kid looks great.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            He does look great…it’s just is WR look terrible. It’s much harder to catch in full gear, and they were dropping everything. He was putting the ball right on the money when going deep but they were too slow. His TE was very good…but teams will pick up on that. Being in the Central, they might be able to physically dominate teams, but If they run into a team that is just as good up front… and they have to pass. There WR’s are not going to get it done.

          • Mean Joe Green

            LOL! I tried to be kind and not mention the WRs, but you are exactly right.

          • G-Town Observer

            You must be talking about the receiver that caught the TD against Monrovia in the Bonita Air assault tourney who also caught a nice pass in the back of the end zone in the same game. Oh yeah the one who is also a 1st team all league LB who goes in sparingly on offense because its only passing league. We will just have to wait and see how the season pans out.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            They should a WR that catches a TD in a passing league game. Ok, That guy can catch, but the other guys did not catch the ball that well.. Glendora is going to hang their hat on Defense and a steady run game. They will pop a couple to the TE, but as good as Fink is..they need play makers.

          • G-Town Observer

            If Glendora has a decent RB that can make Fink lethal. I do agree another playmaker at the WR spot would be deadly. Can’t wait for the season to start.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I see what you are saying Here. After Amat, it’s anyone’s guess. We could over analyze but the fact is that there is twisted web of head to head wins an losses among the #2-10 spots.

          • WCDan

            I watched the video Aram, the kid looked good, his size and scrambling ability reminds me of Chad Jefferies, like I said he could have a breakout year as a junior, and as far as upside, I would agree with you, with his size and speed he may very well have the biggest upside in the area when it comes to college and the future. As for this season I think it’s too early to say he is best in the area. Lets not forget that is a highlight video, we are seeing his best moments, and it looks like he had a few, but if you look at his game by game stats, with the exception of the Upland and Alta loma games, the numbers don’t look so impressive, not a knock at all on him, QB is a hard position to play,and bless the kid for leading his high school varsity team on the football field. Not many people can do that. As far as the best , we’ll see, Lets remember you have Tyler Peterson at DB who is coming back, South Hills has Fonseca and over in the Pacific league there are a couple good ones returning (Burbank for one), also I may be getting schools mixed up but I heard there was a young QB (sophomore I think) at another school who I was told looked very impressive, Damien is the school that comes to mind, but I may be wrong. We also have some over here at West Co who looked good over the summer and I’m sure other schools can say the same.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      I am not calling that….

      • TruTH

        What’s your prediction? Right now Glendora and CO are the strongest in the division

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Are they?

    • Here’s JOHNNY, or Little Johnn

      Hahahahahahahaha

  • TruTH

    For the most part I agree with the rankings, I think the top ten is pretty accurate. However the team that I would put higher would be Diamond Bar. They did loose a lot this offseason but Hull will be a game changer, definitely a top 20 team. My surprise team this year is Covina. They have athletes and had a great showing at the SGV shootout. Not only that but their lineman were top 5 in the west co lineman competition. That is my team to shock the area.

    • PatrickHT

      Db gets bad press based off what haters say and NOT seen, Aram is basically saying they are terrible if they are behind all those teams, they will always have to prove they belong in any poll

      • AramT

        I’m not saying DB is terrible at all. It’s pretty tight between about 30 teams but I only rank 25. I just have some questions that need answering. Want to make sure DB is more than just Peterson and Noodles.

        • TruTH

          Aram, who will be in the cover of the prep extra magazine this year?

          • reality

            The reality is the magazine never lived up to the hype. Fuzzy team pictures and only the usual suspects were highlighted. The only deep thought given was how to market the magazine and its ads rather than offer insightful articles. I stopped looking forward to it after 2012. It’s a shame because with a little work it could have been something.

        • PatrickHT

          Well they destroyed BP 7 vs 7 the other day

  • Not So Fast My Friend

    Not surprised BA is at the top of the list. I don’t think they lost much last year and the youth they had at the outside has that much more experience.

    I saw Glendora and I think they’re fast enough where they need to be. But it’s Glendora, so who knows?

    I’m more impressed with Chino Hills defense than offensively. Lots of questions offensively that need to get sorted out.

    Pomona. Now that’s the team to keep an eye on. Overall, lots of athletes. I agree with Aram, if they get a line that can move people they’ll probably be one of the most dangerous teams of the season.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      With Monrovia gone…Pomona will step into that Semifinal slot.

      Aram has put a lot of pressure on Glendora.

      • AramT

        If you think I’ve ranked Glendora too high, then tell me who on their schedule beats them. Who in the Palomares League can beat that team? They are huge, physical and have a heckuva QB who is tough as nails and has a cannon. Ayala is about the only team I can make a case for.

      • Sports News

        Yeah Aram is placing Glendora in a difficult spot they’re good but just not that good….

        I would love to see Pomona vs. Paraclete or San Dimas in the Finals great great match ups right there!

    • Sports News

      You sir nailed it to the T with this post!

  • reality

    Two teams ranked to high: Glendora and Muir. Two teams ranked to low: La Serna and West Covina.

  • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

    Amat was 2nd to SJB in the Surf City tourney last weekend, they are by far the best of a very mediocre lot in the fish bowl! Probably the most telling signal was the huge uproar was made after the re-shuffling of leagues for the football playoffs, schools shouting out how much better they’ll be now that they’ve dropped down five spots! CO, Shills,Glenfoda…looking at you

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      What’s funny is that they are already stamping title appearances…we will see.

      • The stands

        GP, not everyone is doing that. I need to see how Amat’s O line and D line measure up to the rest of the D1 schools they play. There’s proof in the puddin. Personally, I don’t think they belong in the SGV rankings. Amat should be ranked with other D1 schools; it’s only fair and equitable.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          They belong in the SGV Rankings. They are in the SGV. The LA times Ranking is where Amat can see where they are at as far as D1

      • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

        I’ve neither heard nor read of any title appearances from Amat fans on this blog…there’s hope,interest and excitement , yes. This summer “phenomenon” known as passing league/tourneys is for the uninformed,uneducated and bored , blocking,tackling and the kicking game changes everything

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Chargers Fan did that below.

      • AMAT 73

        GP,
        Come on now buddy .You’re falling back into your old style of posting things that simply aren’t true. Where have you seen anyone from AMAT post anything about a title appearance . Don’t put us into the thinking and predicting mode that had you MIA for about 5-6 months after last seasons ending loss . Or are you speaking of SJB ???? As you can see a few of us are looking for a little clarity concerning your post .

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          That was in regards to A Charger Fan that Penciled in Glendora and Charter in the Central Finals. No one from Amat has predicted a title. No in the Pac 5 can do that.

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            Thanks for the clarifying that up . I think the road to the finals will be much tougher than they think . Way to early to be calling it now . Too much can happen along the way , and besides the bread and butter ( O & D lines ) have not even come close to game time situations to get an idea of how little or how much work is needed .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Yeah, you have to factor in staying healthy as well.

    • Observantcat

      Galileo When you look at passing league that means that you are also saying Pomona & CV are by far better than anyone in the same fish bowl.

      • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

        I’m not overly interested in touch football “competitions” I threw the Amat reference out there because, they’re the only local to hang with the big boys, that and the fish wrap didn’t seem to notice that tourney…touch football is touch football….real football is vastly different.

        • Observantcat

          When that happens I will gladly join you in that conversation, but for now thats all that it is. If most of the top 5 athletic teams made it down to that tournament they would have all faired pretty well.

          • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

            say what? based on observations by Stevie Wonder…back to back to back games against solid Pac 5 teams and returning champ SJB and the fish bowls top 4(after Amat) would fair pretty well?…you, have got to be kidding, based on their performances against which top-notch touch football competition? there is a reason why none of the other ‘teams’went there…don’t want the bad taste of getting smoked repeatedly to linger all thru the dead period !

          • Observantcat

            Ugh, Amat! or do they not count when not playing schools they should slam?

          • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

            it’s kinda different to geek up and play well against Amat or even beat them, another deal altogether when you play 4 or 5 and Amat is the easiest game of the day !

          • Observantcat

            I really think that you underestimate the word athlete, Amat has their share and so does Pomona, SJB, Mater Dei etc. give credit where credit is due.

          • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

            lets see, one of these schools doesn’t belong in the group…could that be national champ SJB, MD, or Amat…no, with apologies to Coach Rice it’s Pomona, it’s more a condemnation of the PUSD than anything…just having athletes might work in touch football…but, real football requires more than just “athletes, you know that, so do I

          • Observantcat

            My point is Pomona BEAT you so give them the Credit they deserve, they have much better athletes than you and if you had their athletes combined with what you already have then maybe you could put yourself on the stand with some of the teams you like getting your butt whipped by.

          • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

            you are correct, Pomona did beat Amat by 2 at the Bonita touch football deal, Amat played all their QBs and rotated all the players liberally, Pomona took a different path. Are you suggesting that a FOOTball game between the 2 would give the same results? Are you suggesting that the OL and DL kids are not athletes? Don’t confuse the exercise known as passing league for real football….180 degrees apart !

          • Observantcat

            Not even close to suggesting that, but when you talk about passing league games against larger school opponents you seem to make that comparison with Amat. Only when its a smaller school in a lower division you tend to press the issue that Amat was only fooling around, well when them pads come on and those athletic teams begin to run up a score you will notice that there is never a time to fool around. Pomona switched up on their QB’s as well.

          • Sports News

            I’m guessing Galileo didn’t realize that Pomona threw in its younger guys after their 3rd touchdown. Yes Amat may be a tad bit better on OL and DL but as far as athletes go the guys who put up the points Pomona has you beat period and they proved it! As far as I can see Amat is looking at a 3rd place finish they were not that impressive on Defense at all and as far as their QB situation it don’t look so good either sorry AMAT fans this is just not your Super Soph. year maybe next year

    • The stands

      For what it’s worth, Amat beat Tesoro and SJB beat Santa Margarita en route to the final in the Surf City Tournament. Damien Garcia appears to be distancing himself as the starter at QB.

      • fb102

        Thank you Mr/Mrs. Garcia

    • Sandman71

      And……. They got whooped at the Edison passing league the week before. Amat has no chance this year. Get off that kool aid high.

    • Valley Athletics

      Heard the biggies dominated the power clean conpetition . Hags tweeted that .

  • charger parent

    why does everybody in amatville think its fair for a school with 1900 students to compete with schools with 4000. if lou farrar had 4000 kids to pick from, look out.

    • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

      open your eyes, at least 50% of the “talent” is from outside the CO district, enough said…he recruits but not all that well..moving down cures that…they’ll be able to proclaim just how shiny that D6 trophy is….again

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        There is Talent at CO, but nearly to the level they had in the past 5 years. Those teams had D1 skills everywhere. Their line was just not comparable to D2. Now they are back on the level they belong Talent wise. Their Coaching staff is what gives them a slight edge, but it’s not the same CO. It’s not in the bag for them like in years past.

    • goinggoinggone

      Exactly that’s how Glendora felt playing in Baseline when every school was AT LEAST 1000 students larger than them. We all know Bishop Amat “recruits”, Monrovia grabs the athletes from Duarte and Arcadia. The ones that seem to grab kids are the ones that the sports mean more to the school than education.

      • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

        Glendora doesn’t recruit? get real…ask Le Duc about the Jacobsons and many others

        • goinggoinggone

          All kids went to Glendora schools since 6th grade

          • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

            the Jacobsons notoriously moved back and forth from Crescenta Valley…where were you then, in the womb?

          • patriot_dmo

            It’s true. One of them is my son-in-law.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Really…

      • Mean Joe Green

        LOL!! Are you serious?!! Did you just say that? So you’re saying that education means more to Duarte than Monrovia. For the record and as a former educator, Monrovia is one of the best schools in the San Gabriel valley who has a diverse student population. Most schools that do better than Monrovia academically, simply do not have the diversity. Check the California Board of Education API scores if you don’t believe me. Sports has nothing to do with it. As for recruiting from Arcadia, can you please name ONE Monrovia player that hails from Arcadia?

    • reality

      It goes much deeper than just comparing enrollment numbers. Amat gets what 100 plus boys every year that go there to mainly play football and get an education second. At a good public like say Glendora, Ayala or Bonita no boy chooses to go there to play football they go to get a good public school education first and football comes in second and the school, it is just close to home.With 100 plus top tier football players plus transfers and then the rest of the student body supplying the tackling dummies Amat has a HUGE advantage over the public programs and should always be #1 in the area for the foreseeable future. Anything less could and should be considered a colossal failure.. Remember I am talking about the area not the entire Pac 5. Really they should not have nor want anything to do with these rankings. They other teams should be far beneath them.

      • Mean Joe Green

        Umm let’s be clear, no student who goes to a public school chooses education first. Students at Glendora, Ayala and Bonita did not choose education over football. They simply live in the school district. The districts do not choose football either, because they are all held accountable by California State Standards. They all have the same goals, expectations and standards. They only differ from one another based on population diversity and Monrovia is one of the top schools in the SGV with a diverse student population. The funny thing about it is that everyone seems to think that Monrovia is an underachieving school because of student population when in fact it is one of two schools in Southern California with a Math and Science Academy and it ranks amongst the top schools in the SGV. Here is the Annual Performance Index rankings that the state uses to judge schools. Keep in mind that its ranges from 0 to 1000

        Arcadia – 893
        Bonita – 865
        Ayala – 838
        Glendora – 837
        Monrovia – 806

        • Here’s JOHNNY, or Little Johnn

          Well stated, just as the kids in Fontucky choose chemistry first and foremost.

        • reality

          What exactly do you mean by your first sentence? No public school student chooses education first. A blanket statement like that is just stupid, and makes no sense like most of your posts.

          • Mean Joe Green

            Of course you miss the point as usual because you cant see past your goggles of bias. If you read the post you will understand context. I was responding to a blogger who stated that kids who go to good public schools choose education first while kids who go to great athletic schools choose football first. Maybe I need to put it in caps so you can understand. NO STUDENT OF A PUBLIC SCHOOL CHOOSES THAT SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY VALUE EDUCATION. THEY GO THERE BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN THE DISTRICT. IF I GO TO MUIR ITS NOT BECAUSE I VALUE FOOTBALL I GO THERE BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE DISTRICT. It that too complex of a concept for you to understand?

          • What?

            That’s a ridicules, all encompassing statement. There are kids that go to schools like LB Poly, and Mission Viejo (public schools) for the sporting programs as well as schools like Glendora and Bonita for Basketball and Baseball. There are also kids that attend schools like Troy, Diamond Bar, La Canada for education. There are also kids that go to Amat, Servite and other private schools for the education and could care less about sports. People attend all different types of schools for all sorts of different reasons.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            School selection criteria for prospective Freshman Studs
            1. Is the school good in football.

            2. Is it Free or do you to pay or how much$$

            3.What type of Education is provided by school.

            In this order.
            Even when choosing between private schools a Family will look at like this… Let’s keep it real…we are talking about ball players here.

          • Mean Joe Green

            Please explain to me how a kid from La Canada chooses his school for education? Unless the district has an open district policy, then the child did not choose his school. He simply lives there. Also, stop adding Amat to the conversation. We are speaking about public schools. I get that parents choose to go to Amat, but explain to me how a La Canada parent chooses to have their child go to La Canada High? So if my child goes to Muir, is it because I choose to have him there. Since Muir is known right now for athletics and not education, did I send my kid there because of football. No. The vast majority are there because geography dictates that they attend the school, not choice.

          • What?

            “Hello, Mcfly, is anyone in there?” Like someone else pointed out, there are many parents that overspend on their choice of a home specifically for the schools that exist in that district in which they have chosen to buy. If I where a betting person I would bet that considerably more parents chose their homes based on the academic performance of the district over that of the athletic fortunes of the district.

            Regarding Amat/Private Schools, the initial thread of this conversation/topic posted by Reality was discussing Private vs Public.

            By the way, you seem to be pretty adept at painting broad strokes at large groups of people. below you posted the following quote;

            “Another example is Arcadia. Despite having nearly 4000 students, they have difficulties finding athletes for their football program. Its not because the kids there are choosing education, its because traditionally football players do not come from that demographic. Simply because of the physical traits that are required to play the game at the highest level.”

            It sounds to me as if your saying that Asians don’t play football because they aren’t big enough or athletic enough to play the game. Gee, I wonder how those Chinese athletes won so many medals at the last 2 Olympics?

            Raciest much?

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Well, it depends on when the parents purchase the home. If your child is 2 years old…how do you know what the schools are going to be like in your area 13 years down the road.

          • Mean Joe Green

            GP I must be in an entirely different salary bracket than these big ballers on this blog. I didn’t realize how easy it was to up and buy a home so that my child can play football. I moved to Monrovia in 1991 and had no idea what the football team was like. I moved their because I heard that the community was safe, townsy, diverse and had great elementary schools. Apparently, I was doing it all wrong. I should have been at the local high school and pitching the coaches on the talents of my unborn child.

          • Mean Joe Green

            LOL! You are an idiot to the tenth degree. (By the way, you spelled Racist wrong). You are one of those politically correct people who ignore the obvious in hopes that you look good to others. Next you will be telling me that I am racist for stating that black people buy less tanning products. Stating the obvious does not make you a racist. Football is a game of physical attributes. If you do not possess those physical attributes, then it is extremely difficult to get to the next level. How many offensive linemen do you know at the pro level that are shorter than 6 feet? The proof is in the pudding. Arcadia has a Junior All American football program that is collapsing. The majority of the Arcadia demographic is simply not interested in football. That is a FACT, not a racist opinion. Now if you want to argue that the reasons are cultural rather than genetic, so be it. However, what you cannot deny is the lack of participation.

          • What?

            So in response to someone calling you out as a racist you decide to further define your racist beliefs with additional ignorant statements? LMAO

            FYI, the average height of Hispanics is virtually the same as that of Asians and yet the majority of kids playing high school football in the SGV are that of Hispanic heritage. So my question to your is, does your statement,

            ” I simply said that by in large they lack the physical attributes for football.”

            Also directed at Hispanics?

            By the way, former Dodger GM Al Campanis just called and said your a RACIST. LOL

            And to think a person like you was once in charge of educating our youth. No wonder the Pasadena USD is in such horrible condition.

          • Mean Joe Green

            There are two types of people that make it impossible to ever end racism. Those who hate the differences in others and those who pretend there are no differences. The latter is the worst, because they are cowardly. Diversity is not trying to pretend there are no differences in human beings. Diversity is celebrating those differences. Your the kind of guy that won’t lower the rim in the WNBA because you are too busy trying to pretend there are no differences between women and men. And for the record, an educator who sees differences amongst children and celebrates them is the best educator. No one in education is trained to treat children the same. That is a 1970s tactic to fight racial injustice and it never worked. Differentiated lessons plans, special education, GATE, and multi-cultural studies courses all celebrate the differences in our children. If you would like to think that the underrepresentation of Asian Americans in basketball and football is strictly cultural preference, then keep deluding yourself. College recruiters are under no illusions. You also might want to take a trip to Samoa and find out why football is such a big sport. Cultural preference?!! Stop trying to win friends on this blog and grow a pair.

          • What?

            ROFLMAO. You just keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper. You have ZERO scientific evidence to make a broad based statement such as:

            “In large they lack the physical attributes for football”

            Just like Al Campanis 30 years ago lacked the scientific evidence to say:

            “They may not have some of the necessities to be, let’s say, a field manager, or, perhaps, a general manager”

            when explaining why so few African American’s were hired into managerial positions in MLB

            There’s a word for people that make such statements and the word is IGNORANT. And when one applies a racial component to his or her IGNORANT statements, It makes that person a RACIST.

            You Sir, are a complete RACIST and you’re too ignorant to recognize it within yourself. But I guess in your community of Monrovia it’s ok to be a racist just as long as it’s directed at the Asian community.

          • Observantcat

            My man please use another blog for this kind of rhetoric, it has nothing to do with the topic posted and it seems that you yourself in trying to get your point across have some issues with race, so try not to call the kettle black ( no pun intended) Maybe you’re searching for something more to get the crowd fired up. As a Monrovian we live for completeness not barriers that will hold us back.

          • Mean Joe Green

            Thank you OCat. I believe I have spent one too many neurons on this neanderthal.

          • What?

            Come on Adolf, you surely must have at least 5 or 6 more neurons to spare. I just hope you aren’t the AVERAGE Moron-vian.

          • What?

            I’m sorry, I guess I’m going to have to break the bad news to your tiny Hispanic QB. That Adolf… err Mean Joe Green doesn’t feel that he has the physical ability to play the game. lol

          • observantcat

            What? I don’t think MJG means any harm in his words about certain ethnic profiles especially when it comes to football, There often are stereotypes that plague certain sports and somewhat alienates those of different races because of profiles used to draw the attention of what are called high profile players. Take Elllis McCarthy for example, you certainly wouldn’t see playing for a Soccer World cup anytime soon.

          • Mean Joe Green

            Tiny? By tiny, do you mean our 5’11″ above average height quarterback. Our quarterback who is taller than your school’s quarterback? Our quarterback who is right now at the age of 17 the same height as Johnny Manziel, Russell Wilson and Drew Brees? Oh that one.

          • What?

            OMG Adolf is calling me a coward, how will I sleep at night? By the way, if your QB is 5’11″ then Brees, Manziel., and Wilson are all 6’5″. Your QB is not a fraction of an inch over 5’8″. FYI by rule of substitution, If Asian’s can’t play the game because their average height of 5’7″ the the same would be true of Hispanics who also have an average height of 5’7″, yet Hispanics represent the majority of high school football players here in the SGV. I guess that blows your racial inferiority theory right out of the water. You keep representing Moron-via.

          • observantcat

            Mr. What, I truly don’t understand your analogy, You really seem like the racist. Hispanics represent the vast majority in the Los Angeles County school districts period. Height, Weight, size is variable from person to person no matter what race or ethnic background they may come from. Talent is based solely on your ability to want to win and going out and getting the best training possible in order to compete. So for you to continually jump on this blog and jump down MJG’s case about race is totally ludicrous, Check what you write before you continue to get outdone by these so call Moran=vians, You sound like you might be Hispanic and if so you are making a complete fool of yourself in trying to disguise yourself as a concerned citizen. Stick with the subject so that you won’t have to keep repeating your Hitler rants and trying to add a whole community to your illness.

          • Mean Joe’s Friend

            Mr. What, do you see how easy it is to change your username? No one of any true intellect is fooled by your antics. This is why I called you a coward. The moment you made another feeble attempt to ridicule our quarterback, I knew exactly who you were. This is why I believe a restraining order is necessary. I need to check your true identity against Meghan’s List and make sure no Monrovia kids buy ice cream from you. Any man who obsesses about a kid the way you do should really be imprisoned and put on a watch list. Go back to giving your school a bad name, but I have a sneaking suspicion that none of them will claim you. By the way, I spoke to some parents about you and they all said you were a whack job and a scum bag. You might try spending more time winning over your so-called friends and less time focusing on my comments.

          • Not Since 1995

            Well put MJG… There may be a few who transfer out of the area, say Duarte, but for the most part you will go to school in the district you live in. There are the one offs that go seek a better program on the public school level, but the majority stay at home. Another exception could be an open district such as your Corona Centenial or Long Beach where you can choose to go to any of the high schools in the area, now if I lived in Long Beach and that may be right accross the street from a Long Beach Jordan you can bet I am going to Poly…

    • Here’s JOHNNY, or Little Johnn

      He would still go up the 210 and recruit. If you don’t think so you are fooling yourself.

  • Green IM

    Aram, where do you come up with all this Verdugo nonsense for Bonita? Yes we all love Verdugo. Yes he’s part of the team again. Yes he was a member of Bonita’s Super Sophomores a couple years ago. But of the 2012 super sophs, Verdugo is the only one that never started a game. Meanwhile the rest of them started in 2012–and also toiled away in a near disastrous 2013. Where was Verdugo in 2013? What does that say to the other guys like Gelalich, Ramos and Cochran? What about Cobian, Burgess and Russell? Sorry if I’m omitting anyone.

    You know what’s really going to help us on offense? A QB, plain and simple. Bohi has no returning starter at QB (not that that did them any good last year). The offense will be much the same with or without Verdugo.

    You know where we need Verdugo? Defense.

    And by the way, Bohi took 4th place at the 30 team Bonita Air Assault. But you’re right. Rank them number 21. Yep. Crummy team no doubt about it

    • realwords

      BONITA HAS NO RUN GAME WITH OUT HIM. look at those players you named, two of them are linemen that verdugo is bigger then. ramos in coming of an injury, cochran is a good size kid but needs to put it to use now.

      • Green IM

        True, Ramos is coming off an injury but he isn’t dead–hopefully good to go. Cochran is big and he’s been putting it to good use since 2012. Those guys, Gelalich, Cobian and Verdugo could have break out years.

        And Bohi will have a running game with or without Verdugo. The running game depends on the development of the Oline and having a QB good enough to stretch the defense to open up the running game. They might have that as well.

        • TruTH

          Bonita does not have a playmaker this season plain and simple. Last year they had Payton and was the only reason they were close or won any game. Diebold was a disappointment and Brazzill might not be that better. It will be a tough season for Bonita especially in their new league. They don’t have a go to player and that will make it very difficult for them. Years prior they had playmakers such as Horine, Turner, and Payton, this season they lack the player that can get them over the top.

          • Green IM

            New league, yes. Tougher league, yes. Last year Medrano had Payton. This year he has a team.

            Where did Payton take them? No where.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            They need a playmaker….Without Payton, they may have won 1 game.

          • Green IM

            Not true Green Machine. They would have done better without him. Read between the lines.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            not from what I saw.

          • Green IM

            Check out the game when Payton was injured and unable to play. Long time Bohi defensive stud LB Thomas Loy lit it up at RB. AJ Grecko coming off injury completely disappeared. Lot a stuff wrong with Bohi last season. Lot a stuff. Payton’s a great back and played well, but Bohi didn’t need him — he should’ve stayed in SD.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            What game are you talking about?

          • Green IM

            I honestly don’t remember which game it was GM, but I think it was around the mid point of the season. The thing was Loy and Grecko were likely going to rotate on offense prior to Payton’s arrival one week before Smudgepot. Loy is/was a dynamite player at RB even though he only played D prior to his senior season so most didn’t know his talent level on that side. Grecko was also a talented RB but he was coming off an injury.

            But Payton came and what the hell are you supposed to do with a guy like that? You gotta play him. They did and he did what Payton does. But other stuff happened too. He fumbled a lot. QB play started going downhill. Seemed to rely too much on Payton. They just weren’t the same team they started out even though there were games where they played like they used to.
            I’ve been watching Bohi a long time. Don’t know if it was coaching or what but that was a strange season. In the end the coaches gotta own it.

          • hecticbuck

            verdugo is a playmaker, im not a bonita fan but this kid is a rough rider as long as he dont get hurt

          • Green IM

            Based on what? Name one varsity game he played a significant role in as a sophomore. Verdugo didn’t play last season. He didn’t even play as a freshman.

            It’s not like he’s God’s gift to Bohi. He’s just a player they can use hopefully. Everybody thinks Bohi is all one guy who’s barely played and a band of sorry losers moving up to a tougher league led by a guy who can’t coach. Maybe so. But they’d be far better seved to go back and watch some film.

            Does anybody honestly think Medrano’s sitting around licking his chops at the thought of unleashing this guy on an unsuspecting world? Way too many other playmakers.

          • realwords

            i say just be thankful to have another good player on the roster, as a bonita fan or parent you should be defending him. bonita is going to do surprisingly well this year. little team, big heart.

          • Green IM

            Realwords, there’s nothing to defend him against. If you read my posts you’ll see that we all love him. But Aram along with several others basically say he’s the only playmaker we have at Bohi. That’s simply not true. There’s zero evidence supporting that supposition from a player that played sparingly as Reggie Turner’s backup two years ago as a sophomore and not at all as a frosh or junior.

            But I agree Bonita is probably going to surprise some people this season. And when they do, it won’t be a one trick pony like everyone seems to think.

          • Lower La Verne

            Why are Bonita fans so down on Medrano? The fact is Bonita players are not as great as their parents make them out to be which I’m willing to say even though my kid is in the program. They’re Good kids with a lot of heart who find a way to compete. Coaching has a lot to do with that. There aren’t very many coaches in the valley who work as hard as Medrano from the time he started as a young assistant.
            There were some staff problems last year that Medrano has addressed over the off-season. Biggest problem last year was special teams and wide open dropped passes.

    • AramT

      You tell me what Bonita has that is potentially dynamic BESIDE Verdugo. Go ahead … clock is ticking … 1, 2, 3, 4 …

      • PatrickHT

        Not that it will make a difference but DB just killed BP the other day on 7 vs 7

      • Green IM

        1, 2, 3, 4…Cobian, Gelalich, Cochran, Ramos, Russell, Burgess and more. Not saying Bohi can’t use Verdugo…they might be better with him. Maybe not. But if Verdugo doesn’t work out, there are a couple guys you’ve never heard of that are both fast and punishing. Depends on how Medrano deploys his weapons because the stable is not bare.

      • mr power

        Why did you drop out Montebello and Maranatha? Heard Maranatha was supposed to have some guys this year.

        Did they not look that good or just some others look better?

      • Lupe

        Aram, one of BOHI’s biggest problems is they don’t have ALL of the kids they need out. There is a senior or two who decided not to come back. There are a few STUD Jr.s who stopped playing after their frosh yr. if you are a Bonita, Claremont, South Hills type school you need every able body. The Upland and Ranchos of the world can afford for the big men on campus to not come out, Not Bohi.

    • Here’s JOHNNY, or Little Johnn

      There was only one super soph team in the valley and that was last years amat lancers.

      • Green IM

        I’m talking two years ago at Bohi. 2012 there was a group of talented sophomores that played significant roles.

        • Former Bohi

          I think you must be referring to the class of 2014 (who as Freshmen went undefeated) because the class of 2015 is not very impressive.

          • Green IM

            No, I’m referring to those guys that played varsity as sophs and made big contributions to the success of that 2012 team. They are now seniors.

    • reality

      Bohi’s problems lie with their linebacking corps and lack of size on both lines. Their very small lines will just wither in the second half from the pounding of the much bigger opposition. They have a good group of receivers, that’s why on 7 on 7 they can hold their own but I’m afraid when pads come on the team does’nt match up. The ranking is fair for right now IMO.

  • Mean Joe Green

    Don, it might have been lost in translation but what I was saying was that the vast number of public school students simply go to their schools because of locale. I was not adding API out of defense of Monrovia. I was simply providing data to refute reality’s point.

    Take Arcadia for example. Despite having nearly 4000 students, they have difficulties finding athletes for their football program. Its not because the kids there are choosing education, its because traditionally football players do not come from that demographic. Simply because of the physical traits that are required to play the game at the highest level. Arcadia has one of the best cross country teams in the nation and excels at so many other sports. So in reality, children at Arcadia are choosing sports as much as children are choosing sports at Amat. They are simply choosing different sports. I know that football is king, but just because a school does not have a great football team does not mean that they are choosing education.

    Amat is a private school. Therefore, the ONLY reason why students are there is because of choice. That is what makes so many private schools great because its parent body has actively chosen the school. I know there are rare occurrences of children transferring in to schools, but lets be honest. Those instances are rare. Most kids at public high schools are there simply because they live there. I also disagree that parents don’t choose schools like Glendora, Ayala or Bonita when looking for football. When I moved from Monrovia the first places I looked at for my child’s education/athletic balance was Glendora, Bonita and San Dimas. If my child is any good, then he will be found at any school he attends. Which is why good college recruiters go to all schools to find talent, not just the winners. Arcadia has had more than its share of D1 talent.

    I get your point about parents making the choice and I completely agree. However, I wanted to dispel the notion that if your school is historically good athletically, then the focus is athletics. No public high school can focus on sports over academics. Budgets and state standards won’t allow it.

    • reality

      STILL OVERBLOWN DRIVEL MR KOTTER. It’s like a dumb kids essay. a bunch of words that make no sense. And you say you taught for how long??

      • Mean Joe Green

        16 years to be exact. 11 years of teaching 4th through 12th grade and 4 years as a vice-principal. I know its been awhile since you’ve had to read beyond 144 characters, but some people are able to elaborate on their points and opinions. Also, please place an apostrophe after the “S” on “dumb kids essay” Otherwise you sound like a dumb kid.

    • Don

      Joe,

      First, most public school kids go to the local high school
      assigned by their district. This is true.

      Arcadia: Hard for me to take Arcadia High and compare it to anywhere else outside of the upper middle class SGV because the demographics are so skewed. Thousands have overpaid for property in that district just so their kids can go to school there. Many of them have only a passing familiarity with American football. They are, apparently, familiar with running, golf and the NBA.

      Amat: We agree that families are committed beyond what is common at most public schools. Heck, just writing the check will make you more committed. Or may cause you to be. ;)

      Glendora and Bonita for football: I know several families who chose Glendora for sports, a couple of them for football and one of those lived in La Verne. And while I suppose there are kids who were sent to BoHi for the fallsport program, they’d be hard to find. I’d suggest that many more parents in the BUSD with football championship dreams chose to send their kid to San Dimas. That said, I can think of dozens of Bonita kids who lived outside the district who excelled at sports and life but I can’t think of any kids outside the Hatley era that attended Bonita for football first.

      Parents who dream of their kid being a star football player will often go to great lengths to get him in a prominent program. Sometimes this works out. If they have the dough, they can send him to a private and if the kid is really THAT good, the school may find him. Otherwise, they can try a public school with a strong football program like La Habra or Charter Oak (I’d add Monrovia here too, but I’m not familiar with their OOD policy) who are usually amenable to taking an out of district kid who fits the program. Getting an out of district kid into school in the GUSD or BUSD is REALLY hard and mostly folks trying it just don’t play the football card.

      • Mean Joe Green

        Good point. It certainly is not an easy task trying to get your child into those districts. I get it what you are saying now. Very few kids are LEAVING those districts for a better education. However, a great deal are/were trying to get in. Myself included. Arcadia is quick to release a student OUT of its district, but will run you through the gauntlet if you try to enter. I know from experience the GUSD and BUSD have similar philosophies.

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    Once again you have set Glendora up as the some unbeatable program. CO has the Farrars, and as long as they are there and in this division, most games are going to be close and winnable. I don’t see Glendora blowing out too many teams. I just don’t see the explosiveness on O. They are going to be a ball control team, who wants to wear you down. Fink could toss the ball around like a rocket, but to who? Then who is going to break it? I don’t see them scoring tons of points against quality opponents. Last year everything was close.

    • goinggoinggone

      You are basing all this off passing league? Which passing league really means nothing. In pads everything is different. Also, yes the games were close but they came out on top in majority of them. The TE is a stud. There are a couple slot backs who have speed. Glendora last year was a ball control team and will continue to be the same team this year. Whatever works works.

      • MonroVian

        Yes in pads everything is different Just like that one game where Ellis Knocked that kid back to the 90′s with that Violent block he made. Yea you are right about that. Remember?

        • goinggoinggone

          I don’t get what the point of that post was but ok? Congrats on winning that game against a Glendora team who literally had no QB that year.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            We are 1-1 verses Glendora. That’s all that matters. No Glendora Fan can hold anything over Monrovia head to head. that’s it.

          • goinggoinggone

            I was replying to MonroVian. Calm down.

          • Plaid Pride

            Wow! So with the 2 best teams that Monrovia has ever had, you beat a 3-7 Glendora team and you lost to a 3-7 Glendora team. By the way, those were probably the 2 worst Glendora teams in the last 50 years.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Well, I can’t help that.

          • WCDan

            The 2010 Glendora team would have been one of the better Glendora teams of the decade if Chad Jefferies doesn’t get hurt and miss the rest of the season. They were 4 & 1 and I believe two touchdowns up on Ettiwanda,
            before Jefferies went down and Ettiwanda made a 2nd half come back. From that point on, without Jefferies the season went downhill, especially because they were in the Baseline. In Monrovia’s defense they played Glendora before Jefferies got hurt. As for the the next season when they beat Glendora, yeah that was one of G Highs worst years.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Do you read any where, that I am saying Glendora Sucks? I said they don’t have speed. If they run up against a team who plays them well up front…there could be a problem. That’s all.

    • Tan K Solot

      CO has Lehigh. A coach that should get way more credit. Let’s just hope CO figures out that special teams need to be SPECIAL.

  • SGV_FOOTBALL

    Does anyone know anything about this Green Valley team from Nevada? All I can see is that they play in the same division as Bishop Gorman.

    • patriot_dmo

      Go on max preps. I think they have been deep in their playoffs in recent years.

  • Tan K Solot

    Little brother of Eric Ortiz is on the team at LB. He looks like he could be a monster like his brother.

  • goinggoinggone

    So by your first link you posted it’s saying a kid like Sean McGrew from St. John Bosco isn’t even big enough for even D III. If you don’t know who that is feel free to Google him. Special athlete just look at his stats last year as a Sophomore.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      Sean,
      plays RB which shorter players are preferred, However the kid runs under a 10.8 in the100 meters.. B graduation, he should be a 10.5 100 meter. If you are that fast it does not matter. I don’t care what race you are…you show that kind of speed, you will get a D1 offer. Remember Joey Gatheral from BA….

    • Mean Joe Green

      Let’s not let the exception dictate the rule. Sure there are instances where phenomenal players crush athletic norms. However, you can’t tell me that because Mugsy Bogues is the exception that now college basketball recruiters are looking for 5’3″ guards.