On who wins the Del Rio league, If El Rancho still has most of the players from their 10 & 0 2011 frosh team, who should now be seniors, I’ll pick them.
On Freds comment that West Co would not have won their titles if CO was in their division, think a little harder on this. Their first title in 2004 they did beat CO and it wasn’t early in the season either, it was a week 9 game.
In 2010 West Co had the size on the lines with tackles like Gibson and Cortez along with speedy bruisers like Maurice Dupleisis, Charles Tucker, and Chris Solomon at linebacker, to go along with speed and physicality in the secondary. On offense they had a backfield that consisted of Chris Solomon, BJ Lee, Charles Tucker, and Jimmy Fraizer, along with an experienced tough leader at QB(George Johnson). This group of boys beat that CO senior class as freshmen 42 to 21, that same CO group was in a 6 & 5 rebuild year as seniors in 2010. Safe to say West Co gets at least 2 of their three titles even with CO in their division.
In 2011 I think most would pick CO just by the way WC struggled at the beginning of the season, but remember that Chris Solomon missed the first 4 games and did not get up to speed till week 7 or 8, Jimmy Fraizer was hampered by a hip pointer injury early on. Once they both got healthy West Co had the three headed monster that included Aaron Salgado in the backfield. Both those injured players were key players on defense once they were healthy. Two other key factors you have to consider was an early to mid season change at middle LB position that produced a record setting year for total tackles for Dorin Turner, the defense was much better once that switch was made. The last consideration is that the O-line was brand new at the beginning of the season, only 1 of the 5 had started a varsity game before the 2011 season. By seasons end they were a well oiled machine by playoff time. You saw the results of that O-Line coming together when they rolled through the playoffs and their closest game was a 63 to 34 win over La Mirada. Average yards per carry for the season was around 10 yards.The runningbacks usually didn’t get touched till the second level. CO was also very good that year, but come playoff time so was WC, you can’t just give CO the game because they looked better on paper.
Great post Dan, but let’s not get caught up in the past. We will have a chance to play CO this year. Those titles were earned by WC and there is nothing anybody can say to diminish them! CO has been consistently a dominant team in our area for a long time and have beaten WC 5 out of the last 6 times we have played against them. Most of those games were close games if you don’t count CO’s back to back championship teams, nobody hung close with those teams!
What I’m trying to say is that it’s understandable why Fred would make a remark like that with little need to research the facts because CO has earned that type of reputation through consistency and by beating WC the majority of the times we have played them. The only way we can change that reputation is by returning the favor and consistently beating teams like CO when we play them. It’s a tough task, but a worthy challenge is what makes greatness blossom!
CO does not have the stable of out of Area Talent they once had. Those old teams had more kids from different cities like BA Did. This years team is a more accurate depiction of What Charter Oaks Talent base is. WC has a shot this year.
I’m not going to count CO out just yet. They have great coaching. I believe, even if the “Pasadena pipeline” is cut off, they still draw a lot of the East SGV talent that would otherwise attend Covina, Northview, Glendora, Azusa etc. WC has a young team, lots of super talented sophomores and juniors this year. If this team can play up to their potential, they will be scary come playoffs.
Yeah but during their run….they had a ton a muir and Monrovia players.
This season for CO could be interesting, in that coming down a few notches league wise can create an enthusiasm void and/or over confidence. This group will need to play sharp and smart if they are going to maintain any of that reputation. Special teams lost them maybe 3 games last season. With a target on their back, that has to be remedied.
It will be exciting playing in this division against teams like WC and LA.
Your absolutely correct that by beating WC and the rest of the SGV outside of Amat on a consistant basis, Charter Oak has earned the respect and reputation that they now have. Still, I do not concede that they would have kept WC from at least 2 of their titles. I never liked that they were pulled out of the division in those 2010 and 2011 seasons, but it’s great to have them back in the division to again have the opportunity to play a program like CO, it also comes at a time where it looks like West Covina will be in an upswing for the next couple years, which should make the game anticipation and build up a lot more interesting.
I’ve seen both WC and CO plenty of times over the past 5-6 years. No doubt in my mind that WC would have dominated CO in 2010. The 2011 teams would have been a coin flip and the past 2 years CO would have beaten WC pretty easily. This year I have WC over CO by a TD. This is “Public” High School Football where fortunes of teams can change considerably from year to year.
Los Altos @ Diamond bar, 7pm
MR HULL!!!! We will see today.
First things First…Steve, did you really research the rosters on the talent of Monrovia and San Marino. Both Teams are breaking in a new starting QB. You actually think that SM is going to be cover Bradley and Spencer on the outside + everyone else? The only reason why no one has heard of these guys is because Potts, did not throw. It’s obvious you are ignoring that fact that returning jr to be RB Kam Johnson Had 5 carries for 113 yards verses SM? Your wise guy pick is not coming to fruition.
Next topic…Da Central. Indeed RHL teams will be at the bottom of the food chain in this division. However, Outside of Charter Oak and West Covina, Monrovia is .500 verses Glendora, Ayala, and South Hills. With that being said, Monrovia could very well win against those opponents. Matched up against CO and WC, it’s going to come down to coaching. Those are Mid level division championship programs. Monrovia has been a lower level champion for years. As you go up in class, the less mistakes you can cover up. Monrovia has the talent. We just have to put together Talent + Coach + execution = Central wins. There will be no coasting in the first round. There will be no easy games, and we will have to get used to being the underdog. We have asked to be pulled up…we have mouthed off saying we can hang… So now it’s time to put up or well shut up…
Bishop Amat- The issue has never been the lack of pac 5 talent. Their more I analyze them, I’ve Noticed that they have not been able to attract a Pac 5 Caliber QB. There QB’s were good, but not like the QB’s SJB, HB,San Clemente SM, LBP and others. It’s Time for BA to attract a Dynamic QB. When you are dynamic at that position, it puts a lot pressure on the defense. Rio was the closest they have had…However, he was their best WR, and his ticket was baseball. The past 5 years, they have not had the best QB in the SGV, although they have won all those games against SGV opponents. Imagine if they had a Fink this year…they would be a legit contender. They run the risk of one of the lower grade QB’s in their league. When they won titles…football was smash mouth. Now it’s spread out…more finesse. You need a big time athlete at that position to win the Pac five. They get that, and they may attract even more skill talent.
San Dimas vs Monrovia
This game is going to be good. I really hope our new coach understand the magnitude of this game. It’s a measuring stick. if you can’t beat the Saints you probably won’t beat Los Altos. Coach Z probably has added some wrinkles into his offense, however they will never be a great passing team. 3rd and long is the best place to keep the saints, and you better score 28 pts or more. Mtown has a D1 Kicker, which should be a weapon in a close game like this. SD is still built to run the ball and stop the run. If Monrovia can get a few quick scores and keep the saints in 3rd and long, they will win. If SD can cover Monrovia’s WR’s and keep the game a low scoring affair, they will win.
Prediction Monrovia 24 San Dimas 21
Who is coaching the defense for you guys? I’ve heard about the head coach and the offense but no news on the “D”
Coach Davis runs the D finally. Our D will be outstanding this season.
Aram, Fred, Steve: Did you guys see the story about five Cal-Poly SLO players committed arm robbery on a fraternity house. Two of the players, Cameron Akins and Kristaan Ivory, attended Cathedral. What’s up with that?