NEW! All-Encompassing SGV(N) Top 25 … entering Week 5 …

1. Chino Hills (3-1) — Bye week is only thing that could cool offense.
2. St. Francis (4-0) — So much for a bounce against Canyon.
3. La Mirada (4-1) — Not expecting much drama in league.
4. Monrovia (4-1) — ‘Cats know how to win the close ones.
5. Glendora (3-1) — Call it luck. Also call it 4-1 3-1.
6. San Dimas (3-1) — Allowing just 16 points per game.
7. Damien (3-1) — Where does Sparty fit in Baseline?
8. Bishop Amat (2-3) — Things only get tougher vs. Serra.
9. La Serna (4-1) — What a program!
10. Charter Oak (2-3) — Bye comes at perfect time.
11. Pomona (3-2) — Won’t be touched in the Miramonte.
12. Ayala (3-1) — Huge test vs. Damien looms.
13. Diamond Ranch (4-1) — The forgotten Hacienda contender.
14. Maranatha (5-0) — Playing Keppel and Mountain View though.
15. Northview (4-1) — Even in a loss, Vikes impress.
16. West Covina (3-2) — Dangerous team when right.
17. Claremont (4-1) — Young team putting it together.
18. Bonita (3-1) — ‘Cats have serious weapon in Verdugo.
19. La Habra (2-3) — Quality win over Colony.
20. La Salle (3-2) — Got right against Duarte.
21. Los Altos (2-3) — Conqs proved worth vs. M-Town.
22. Diamond Ranch Bar (3-2) — Finished nonleague on solid note.
23. California (3-2) — Offense has erupted past two weeks.
24. San Marino (4-1) — Bounced back against Beverly Hills.
25. Arroyo (4-1) — Rosemead looms on Friday.

  • New York

    Two Diamond Ranch listings.

  • Valley Athletics

    La Serna might deserve to be ranked higher with 2 wins from baseline league teams ..plus They are defending champs . I would have them at 4.

    • New York

      It is hard to believe they are the same program that gave up all those points to West Covina three years ago.

      • Bulldogs have bite

        People keep underrating the 2010-2011 West Covina teams. Those teams were loaded! The 2011 team was on a roll in the playoffs, nobody could stop Frazier or Solomon, and both of them were in top form at that point. Not so hard to believe how LS gave up all those points if you really knew how good WC was those years.

        • observantcat

          The only sore spot was those games against Covina, I know that they are your rivals in some ways but it took the steam out of being above the rest. I used to wonder about that La Serna game as well, but after watching the game for the second time I noticed that La Serna did not come out to play. Maybe Monrovia Vs. West Covina would have been a much better finals, noting that both teams had reached their peeks. La Serna has learned a lot from that Butt whoopin and has gone on to torching teams. Great step up win against a pretty good Westlake team last season.

          • Bulldogs have bite

            Those games against Covina were both week 0 games. I noticed a trend in how West Covina seemingly always starts out the season slowly and turns it up as the season progresses. If those games were played mid season or later they would have been complete blowouts. That’s just my unprofessional observation.

            I was at the infamous 84-21 game and have watched it online a few times. La Serna did come out to play, their first CIF Final in over 40 years, they got to host it and insisted on playing at that joke of a stadium of they call home.

            West Covina came out and smashed them right in the mouth at the opening whistle. La Serna came out to play but quickly turned into a deer in the headlights. They couldn’t get out of their own way and it was compounded by the fact that WC was playing its best ball of the season at the time.

            The La Serna victories over Westlake are a nice feather in the cap for them. I would still take back to back CIF crowns and not being on the wrong end of an 84-21 championship game over big upset victories.

          • New York

            Remember that over exuberant WestCo fan running around with the Bulldog flag after the game, weaving around the La Serna players until security stepped in? He was taller than most of La Serna’s team.

          • Bulldogs have bite

            I remember that fan, lol. The security was the only thing to stop anybody wearing Bulldog colors on the field that night. La Serna’s team was around the same size as WC’s. It was the speed that killed them. La Serna since then have become masters of discipline, you will rarely find their defense out of position or the offense miss a block. This is how they managed to slay giants lately that are faster, bigger, and stronger than them. WC in recent years has not been able to stay healthy, constantly losing key players for big games or just before the playoffs. Hopefully we can pull ourselves back up to the level of four years ago.

        • New York

          I was on the WestCo sideline that during that 2011 championship game. Very impressive half-back pass before halftime…
          Yes, WestCo was very good. 84 points good? La Serna was a deer in headlights. Kick off returns, punt returns, long run after long run. I know WestCo blew out every team in the playoffs that year, and it got worse every week, but 84 points is a sign that the losing team was a flop that night combined with the winner executing flawlessly. Seeing that type of flop that night three years ago, with very little team speed or size, just makes me wonder what they have done to become so good.

    • reality

      Agree. Based on their total body of work the last 3 years and so far this year I have La Serna 4 and they would give the 3 teams above them a very good game.

    • La Mirada Guy

      I believe La Serna should be #2 or #3.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        I think La Mirada is under a lot of pressure this year. A Flop in the southeast playoffs this year would ruin LM in the rankings forever…

  • LongTimeTartan

    Glendora is 3-1, with another big divisional game vs. Kaiser this week. I don’t think KHS would appreciate you just giving GHS the win.

  • Oc guy

    Colony beat West Covina easily and beats Pomona. La Habra beats Colony yet they are ranked below both of them ? I know that LH is down this year and their record reflect it but they have also played tough competition.

    • Bulldogs have bite

      Colony’s victory over West Covina was not as easy as the final score indicated. I’m not going to recap the game for you, but please understand that using comparative scoring is an unreliable science.

      • MoreKetchup

        Yeah, score doesn’t show it was tied 7-7 going into the fourth and interceptions thrown by the backup QB when the starter comes out injured. Pair that up with refs who don’t know how to judge the goal line and bam! You have a “huge” loss for WC.

  • Jefe

    Weird seeing Damien ranked ahead of Amat.

  • DBT dad

    It’s sad, only Chino Hills has stepped up and beat an Amat team and they deserve to be ranked #1 but there isn’t another team ranked ahead that has the guts to schedule them because they know they would get physically beat up. Damien, San Dimas, Monrovia, Glendora, La Mirada and St. Francis, come on Aram get a clue as to your rankings. Damien got out of the contract because Amat was beating them up and they knew they couldn’t come out of this game without getting beat up. Glendora, last time they stepped up got spanked. St. Francis has been dodging Amat for many years. How is it that a school with that kind of money and athletes are never talked about in the movement of teams. They should have been mentioned during the realignment but money talks with CIF and you can’t tell me any different.

    Try ranking these teams as teams not own loss records as playing little sisters of the poor has never been in the Amat culture of football. I say it now you need to be challenging these local coaches to step up in the offseason to take on Amat, not going to happen. What happened to the Charter Oak series, yeah they didn’t like getting beat up.

    • last picked

      What exactly does that do for Amat / taking on and beating up local public schools, as they should by the way. There is no gain for Amat to schedule Glendora, Damien, San Dimas, Charter Oak and Monrovia as their preseason. How would that, and I mean absolutely no disrespect to the above mentioned programs who for the most part have been extremely successful in their own right, benefit or get them ready for league then hopefully Pac 5 playoffs. Isn’t the idea in preseason, as shown by San Dimas, to play up in comp to get ready for league and playoffs?

      • observantcat

        Well Put last picked, that’s part of the we’re better than the rest attitude that most of us have been putting up with for the past few years, It;s old and ridiculous, especially when some of your better players play for them anyway. If Amat wants to be PAC5 good for them, now win that Div. and we will have 10X the respect for fans like EBT, I mean DBT dad.

        • DBT dad

          For starters, I don’t have son playing for Amat or even attends/attended Amat. I just love watching high school football and have watched games for many years. Not sure if it is a were better then everybody else attitude just they are in football in the SGV which this is the SGV a Tribune. In Girls Basketball they were until Bonita knocked them off their thrown. I agree, there is no gain for Amat to play these schools but if they think they are better then Amat then try to schedule them. Games with CO and Damien are what the local football fans want to see and ask those schools, what other non league game has payed more dividends at the gate. Those games draw the fans and put a ton of money into their budgets. EBT really, talk the subject.

          • observantcat

            On the real, I think that when you try and present an argument about the fish bowel you may never win against the fans who have supported their teams over the years about how much greater the Amat team is. As you see they can be just a vulnerable as non private school teams. If Chino Hills were to visit Aledo TX the score could have been in the 70’s, much more fluid offense and much grittier Defense. The same could be said about other Private football schools such as Mater Dei wanting to play teams in their area such as Anaheim, Loara, they even took Huntington Beach off of the schedule. So for what it’s worth the kids that are playing in their own Div. and getting the same if not better recognition in these parts of the woods is a no brainer. I’m sure if any of these high school powerhouses were within 10 miles of Amat the Lancers might just become another St, Paul. Let’s be thankful

          • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

            “fish bowel” that’s fantastic ! great Monrovia education there

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            He could be typing from his phone…There is nothing wrong with a Mtown Education… Monrovia has players representing the Ivy league. We even have Ivy league blogger … Anyone can misspell a word on a blog. Find something better point out, like a flaw in Ocat’s statement.

          • New York

            It wouldn’t be a good use of resources to have our assistants proof reading our blog postings…see my response above anyway.

          • observantcat

            That’s the typical second class element over at Amat that look for something to cry about when Aram starts to pick on them. I went back and corrected the word, I hope he feels better now.

          • AramT

            Hey Galileo, why don’t you wow us all with where you work.

            After all, we can do it, you can help. Right?

          • New York

            Maybe “bowel” was a Freudian slip when thinking of the quality of your responses.

          • Nomoredrama

            Look who’s talking! Look at your post, bad punctuation and terrible sentence structure. If you’re going to throw shade on someone, make sure you aint under the same umbrella, or worse!

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        I can’t make excuses for St Francis not playing Amat. However, It’s not an easy to schedule Amat when you are a SGV team. First of all, how would you feel, if you lined up against the best team in your area which is a private schools, that has one or a few of your cities best players. There is nothing unfair about how Amat get’s it’s players, but in the SGV, where cities are small, schools are small and where talent is at a premium, it’s a double whammy. CHills is not in the SGV and does not lose players to Amat. Chills is also a larger school, so they can replace talent year after year. That is the main reason why they can hang with and beat Amat. After next year, and this class of players is gone, Amat is really going to be in a relief period. I have heard nothing about big time Frosh or Sophs coming up. Will they be among the best in the SGV. Yes, but not by much.

        • Valley Athletics

          There are no top recruits in the sophmore class . Some good skill players and a couple lineman that could be decent if they work hard and develop . A Qb transfer from riverside came in who is 6′ 2 185 pounds is the 3rd string Qb . Don’t know much about him we will see if he sticks around . They only lost to alemany last season as freshman . This years freshman team has a close loss to crespi . I saw the end of the game because it was before the varsity game Friday . Aaron Maldanado a 6’1 250 Linemen who goes both ways is the real deal . He trains with Brigham Harwell so he will be a beast . There are some nice players upcoming players but we won’t know how good they will be until they play varsity ..

          • New York

            To get back to the AMAT that we want, the transfers need to resemble 5-star recruits, rather than the team of role players they have. Minor, McCutcheon, Brown, etc…complimented by a couple other D1 scholarship recipients to go with the deep bench of guys willing to train hard for four years and crack the lineup as a senior. Well, even that might not be enough to contend with the Football Academies that exist now.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Yeah, but they are going to need more than that. Trey and Vaughns had top recruit all over them as soon as they hit the campus. That’s the world BA lives in if they want to remain D-1. Serra will be another team that hopped into BA’s league and surpassed them. Just Like Alemany. This is really starting to be the reality over there at BA. If you think a future 4-5 star is going to go over there to play alone and lost to lower division schools like CH…you may want to rethink that.

        • last picked

          I agree, that’s why I said there really is no gain for Amat to schedule local. It actually works against them. Say they start doing home & home series and the local schools compete / do well – meaning not getting beat by 3 td’s , I think it would actually encourage more kids to stay at their neighborhood school.

  • Dranch

    @Aram please explain the “Diamond Ranch Bar” in the ranking I’m interested to know why you put that????? Is it a crack on DB or on DR or because we look similar this year in talent or what…I’ll tell you what that new coach ain’t ready for the Panthers

    • AramT

      Are you the kind of person who played Iron Maiden albums backward trying to hear if there were satanic messages in the 80s?

      Stop trying to find meaning. I meant to put “Bar” originally. I accidentally put “Ranch”. “New York” pointed it out and I fixed it.

      • Dranch

        If you fixed it then it wouldn’t still be there. I was asking hoping that you had a funny answer or something as a joke or crack…but I guess like you said accident….

      • New York

        Lol

      • MonroVian

        Excellent answer Aram. You literally made me chuckle out loud. lol

  • Spartan 4 Life

    DBT,
    Get over it! You’re one of those parents living in 1980. Amat’s best days are behind them. The only reason Damien isn’t playing Amat is Greg Gano. He screwed that whole thing up! Parades has publicly said he’ll schedule Amat as soon he has an opening. Stop your whinning & tell Hagerty to make it happen!

  • WCDan

    Tough season for rankings, I take that Arams rankings are the “how your doing in your corner of the world” kind of rankings. Any way’s, my best shot at Head to head rankings at this point of season.
    1 Chino Hills – Impressive wins over Hart and Bishop Amat
    2 La Mirada – May have an even more impressive body of work than Chino Hills.
    3 St. Francis – Toss up with Chino Hills and La Mirada.
    4 Bishop Amat – Inconsistent season, validity of their two wins in question with the RC loss to La Serna.
    5 La Serna – Who else has beaten two Baseline teams this month.
    6 La Habra – 2 & 3 record is deceptive
    7 Glendora – Quality wins over CO and Los Altos.
    8 CO – Glendora game could have gone either way
    9 Monrovia – in their step up of divisions.
    10 West Co. – Defense is inconsistent, offense needs to open up, if they can fix this they will climb this list.
    11 Damien – Tough road in the Baseline, but RC & Los Osos are beatable this year.
    12 Pomona – I think this team is better than people realize, impressive win over Big 8 Roosevelt, was ahead of Colony at half
    only to lose by TD.
    13 San Dimas – Very strong since Monrovia loss.
    14 Los Altos – Gave Monrovia all they could handle.
    15 Ayala – I may have them too low in these rankings.
    16 Bonita – On a roll since loss to Monrovia and Verdugo going on a roll, picture will be clearer this week when they play SD.
    17 Diamond Bar – They may be waking up now with that win over Cypress.
    18 Diamond Ranch -Convincing loss to Ayala and Tight games against Rosemead and Schurr cast doubts.
    19 El Rancho – I like them better than Cal Hi this year. 2nd place in Del Ri
    20 Northview – Not bad for being led by a freshman QB.
    21 Claremont – 4 & 1, but big El Rancho loss and tight game with Bell Garden’s show vulnerabilities.
    22 Cal Hi – San Marino has a very weak schedule so win doesn’t say much there. More telling are their blowout loses to BP and Troy.
    23 South Hills – Don’t see them this low in the rankings very often.
    24 Covina – Tough season but I still think they would beat the Maranatha’s and La Salle’s.
    25. Maranatha 5 & 0 but against a very light schedule.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      There is some truth to what you are saying. But right now Monrovia is #1 in the Central and that is how it is. CIF, Maxpreps, and Aram have it that way. Maxpreps also has Monrovia ranked higher than everyone other than BA and La Serna. So you could BA @ #4 La Serna @ #5 and Monrovia #6. I could live with that…I know Rancho would be better than Mtown up front, but Not at QB and WR Core. Head to Head, I think Monrovia could beat La Serna…but we would still be underdogs. We should scratch the Arcadia game a schedule a La Serna. That would be a wonderful step up game.

      • goinggoinggone

        You guys barely beat Los Altos. Stop thumping your chest.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          A win is a win…I put out the data. I am just stating what’s out there. How am I thumping my chest when Monrovia is #1 in the Central? Is that not true? Thumping my chest would be making a outlandish statement.

          • SGV football fan

            I’m just trying to figure out how Monrovia would be rated over Glendora, when Glendora destroyed the team that Monrovia had to get lucky at the end to beat. It gets a little old reading about Green Machine’s constant excuses of sloppy play as to why Monrovia barely beat someone or why they lost. Maybe Monrovia is just a sloppy football team and that’s why they constantly play sloppy ball?

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            First of all, Monrovia Smacked Glendora the last time we played. Every Ranking has us higher than Glendora. Every projection has us beating Glendora. What does Glendora have over Monrovia head to head? Nothing. Here something to swallow and shut up you tarties…

            Glendora lost at home in a blow loss to San Gorgonio, who is ranked 56th…Monrovia lost St Francis on the road who is ranked 25th in the State. You struggled with Alta Loma, we Struggled with a section champ San Dimas…who by the way is ranked higher than Charter Oak in all rankings. My question is what data makes you feel Glendora should be ranked higher…I sure don’t see it.

          • goinggoinggone

            Well not every ranking has Monrovia over Glendora. Check CIF Polls.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Those polls came out right now…So Glendora is ranked higher now. There you go…However, either way..toe to toe. I think we win that game. Now only the Trib and Maxprep and Cal preps has Monrovia higher…but the CIF rankings matter the most. No biggie.

          • SGV football fan

            Probably the most relevant data, that being common opponent. Glendora over LA with a bitch slap and Monrovia by the skin of their teeth and a ton of luck just getting by LA at home. I don’t even think you have green colored glasses I think you have bright emerald “Incredible Hulk” eye balls.

          • New York

            Good posts. The Glendora dominance over LA vs. Monrovia is all about matchups. Glendora matched up better with what Los Altos wants to do, but maybe Aram thinks Monrovia matches up better against Glendora. Although, I would not object to swapping them in the rankings. Glendora beat Charter Oak and Los Altos.

          • WCDan

            Good points NY, match ups many times trump comparative scores, both have their validity at times. Monrovia may be a better match for Glendora than Los Altos. One thing though, there seems to be a general opinion here that all Glendora has is size, and no speed, I don’t see that on defense, I thought their speed in the secondary was pretty good, it was certainly physical, they were popping CO receivers hard enough to cause drops more than once.

          • Valley Athletics

            kaiser also lost to San G and I think Glendora plays Kaiser next .. San G lost to Oak hills and is not undefeated anymore .

          • New York

            I quietly wondered the same thing. I believe Aram has watched both teams in person. So he must have seen something.

      • Valley Athletics

        Yeah that would be a good schedule . Now that Monrovia is in te central they can schedule south east division teams to prepare for central . You already have st Francis .so La Serna and even La mirada makes sense .

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Yeah, we may need to a schedule where we may go 1-4 or 2-3. This year we did it right. You don’t want to go into league or playoffs, injured or psychologically damage, in your first year in a new division. Next year I expect them to Keep SB, Bonita is probably contracted…Scratch Arcadia so it should look like this
          Week 0 San dimas.
          Week 1 Bonita
          Week 2 La Serna or La Mirada
          Week 3 SF
          Week 4 Los Altos

          • New York

            Looks good if we don’t want to travel.

      • WCDan

        It’s all opinion at this time. Haven’t seen Monrovia, just going by comparative scores, Glendora’s easier win over LA. and CO having Glendora beat till the last minutes. (I know comp.scores are a path with flaws) Thats why I had Glendora and Co above M-Town. As for M-Town over La Serna, I would have thought the same earlier in the season, with their loss of Frankie Palmer, not so sure now, they have beaten some nice step up names, no guarantee M-Town could beat Rancho C. even in an apparent down year like this year, but La Serna did it, so got to give them the benifit of doubt.

        As for having my Bulldogs at 10 over Damien, Pomona, San Dimas, Los Altos, Ayala, Bonita, hey a little homerism here and there never hurt anybody, in the back of my mind I know WC could lose to any of those teams, but I also think they could beat any team from 5 down if they are clicking.

  • Don

    Test 1, 2, 3

  • Mean Joe Green

    It is absolutely silly to think that these rankings represent “who will beat who”. Some of you guys need to get over it and stop crying about why you are ranked below teams you think you can beat. These rankings are like the “Pound for Pound” rankings of boxers. Aram is simply judging each team on whether or not they are taking care of business in the divisions they represent. The question is, “Is your team doing what they are supposed to be doing against teams in their division or league?” Rather than worry about if you can beat the teams ahead of you on the rankings, think about whether or not you can beat the teams on your schedule. I hate to break the bad news to some of you folks, but your mere presence in a higher division does not qualify you for area rankings. Simply being a heavyweight does not make you a champ.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      Also keep in mind…you can say anything if the teams don’t play. When dealing with teams like Amat, CH, Monrovia, SF, CO, La Serna, Etc…you have an Idea of who might win the game…who should be the favorite, but you never know. Once again Monrovia is doing what they are supposed to do. They stepped in Class, and they are sitting on top of the Central, a division which pretty much consist of all the East Side powers…..you gotta respect it. We are not a Midvalley team and we are top 5 in the Area.

      • Mean Joe Green

        High school football can only be ranked like any other sport that has class groupings. You must rank each team within its respective class. However, if teams choose to go up in division and play bigger power-houses, then that strength of schedule should have bearing on how they are ranked within their division. On the flip side, if a bigger powerhouse loses to a lower team, then that school should expect greater drops in ranking.

        Bishop Amat needs to receive consideration for being in the Pac-5 and having a tough schedule. This is why they will probably be ranked number one in ever preseason all-area poll. However, if they do not take care of business in their division then they should drop in the rankings despite being a bigger school with a tougher schedule. Gerry Cooney does not get to say he is better ranked than Sugar Ray Leonard simply because he got beat up by the best. Sugar Ray took care of his business in his weight class and Gerry Cooney did not. So until they change the playoff format, this is the only logical way to judge schools.

    • AramT

      Mean Joe Green,

      EXCELLENT POST! I hope everyone who needs to is able to read it.

      You might No. 1 right now in the blogger rankings. You’re having a very strong season.

      • New York

        AT,
        Are you telling me that your rankings have nothing to do with a projected head-to-head matchup? NOTHING? Your rankings have always seemed to be a hybrid, taking into account pound-for-pound, potential head-to-head, but penalize for not taking care of business. That means, your rankings penalize Amat for not winning league, even though they would usually beat multiple teams ranked ahead of them.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          NY,
          If they games are not played head to head…mere projections, opinions, and maybes…are all valid. For Example…

          I think Keppel can be Monrovia…who’s to say they can’t until we play.

          • New York

            I was just clarifying what AT does and does not take into consideration.

        • AramT

          They’re an inexact science. That’s the best I can tell you.

          • New York

            As it should be. I have no problem with that, otherwise it would be computer generated.

      • Inland_FB_Fan

        This is stupid! it is like saying Northwest Missouri (who is taking care of business in DIV. ll) should be ranked ahead of USC. If you are going to rank these teams, make it realistic. No way #’s 2 – 7 Beat Amat.

        • Mean Joe Green

          Ummm first let’s get our facts straight. There is no ranking system that includes DI and DII schools. If you want an accurate assessment of where your team stands, then simply go to CIF and Maxpreps to see where they put your team. Aram’s ranking is an all-area assessment of which school’s are taking care of business in their divisions based on record, strength of schedule and inter-divisional play. So based on my previous argument, you would rank heavyweight Gerry Cooney as a better fighter than Sugar Ray Leonard, simply because he could have beat him? Now that is stupid! Cooney got beat by the best in his class and will always be recorded as the guy who got beat by the best. Not as the guy who could have beat Sugar Ray.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Well what happens when App State beats Michigan? They have not played #2-#7 so we will never know. To say BA would beat those teams is still speculation. I know they would be heavy favorites and would probably blow most out…but you never know. So those speculated that #2-#7 are better teams, have just as much right to their own speculation? Correct? The odds are far greater for App State to beat Michigan, then they are for underdog high school team to get lucky against Amat? No?

        • WCDan

          “No way #’s 2 – 7 Beat Amat.”

          Most years I would agree with you, this year
          I don’t, it looks like La Mirada climbed over the hump, and is beating teams the caliber of Amat. Then there is St. Francis with their blowout wins over Moorepark and Canyon Country, plus a convincing win over what may be Monrovia’s best team of recent years, I think both those team would be even bets against Amat on the field. Glendora also has a history of playing Amat close, this year, with their huge line and solid run game, plus Finks running/passing ability, I think it would be close.

          • Valley Athletics

            Moorpark lost to murrieta valley 31-16 . rancho beat murrieta valley 33-19 . So I wouldn’t see that as a good win .Just like everybody is now saying Amats win against rancho is not impressive anymore .

          • WCDan

            Valid point, Canyon Country also looks questionable now that I looked further into it.
            but with the large margins of victory I think St. Francis looks very strong and would be a good game with Amat this year, last year too.

          • New York

            Amat would probably beat Glendora by a lot.

  • Not So Fast My Friend

    Went to the Crespi vs Bishop Amat game. Great game and a heart breaker for Amat.

  • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

    Damien has yet to beat anyone of note, they’ll get whacked in the Baseline, neither has Charter Oak nor Glendora…the fish bowl is not a football hotbed !

    • Inland_FB_Fan

      Agreed. Their “KIng” (Amat) was dethroned making SGV football pretty irrelevant in upper division football>

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Rancho, Upland, and CHills have yet to bring home a trophy..and they have 3000-3600 kids…Rancho and Upland should be ashamed of themselves with all those students and Transfers, and still can’t get it done. It’s never going to happen for those two. It’s clear that they are South East Div 5 Caliber programs. That’s god awful.

        • SGV football fan

          Rancho and Upland both have recent D5 Championships and Upland won at the D2 level back in early 2000, back when Mission Viejo, Hart, and Los Alamitos where in their prime and playing in D2.

          • WCDan

            I don’t memorize all this I had to look it up but Hart had moved to D3 when Upland beat Chino for the D2 title in 2000, I believe Los Alimitos was back in D1 that year too, I know in 2002 Los Al thumped Mater Dei for the D1 title.

    • goinggoinggone

      SGV may not be a hot bed for football but then again the SGV is not very big in size (population and area) as compared to the IE. Also i believe Glendora beat Upland and CO last year and were literally 2 plays away from being 4-1 in the Baseline league last year. I know that’s the past but just sayin’.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        No one is saying Glendora is weak….But they are still 1-1 verses Monrovia…

        • WCDan

          Hey we can thump our chest too, Glendora is 0 & 4 vs West Covina, but I think I would favor Glendora over both WC and Monrovia right now. Ha Ha, Now it’s CO’s turn, they can thump their chest at WC, 6 & 1 I believe they are against the Dogs.

  • Conq ’76

    LA could make a very plausible case for a higher ranking based on two losses to two teams ranked considerably higher then them, by a total of 3 points, with both losses coming at the very end of the game. But instead, I prefer to encourage Coach Ziola to try and instill a bit of a “killer instinct”, ie. “refuse to lose” mentality within his team. A loss is a loss but pre-league losses can prove to be quite valuable if the right lessons are learned. LA has been in a few dogfights with local schools, meaning league should be familiar in terms of tone and tenure.

    Close the deal LA, play for the full 48 and don’t assume the “dagger” will insert itself!

    (All euphemisms implied, no actual daggers or “killing” should take place). 🙂

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      Los Altos can be dangerous come playoff time. There run game is very good. However,they can’t pass to save their lives. There only pass play was a trick play two point conversion. They are also very suspect in the secondary. I don’t know how they make up for that lack of speed back there. The back door will always be open against Teams like Mtown, Glendora , CO and Colony. I don’t how LA improves on that. All in all, I respect LA. As soon as they get some speed over there. Look out!.

      • Mean Joe Green

        Hey GP, I might have to disagree with you there. I like teams who know who they are. San Dimas is a prime example. They know who they are and never try to be anything they are not. They spend all their time perfecting THEIR game rather than trying to imitate others and it works. Los Altos did a damn good job against us despite not having a pass attack. They shut us down deep and got us away from our run game. The deep ball opened up in the end, because we went underneath two to three times to Jordan Nathan in the final minutes. I personally would not like to see them again in the playoffs.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          I am going to disagree with you…a power I team still has to be able to play action pass. If you plan on running power against the top schools in your division, sooner or later, you are going to need play action capability. If they had that, they would not have had to punt in or maybe kick a FG in the last minutes. I would love to see them in 2nd round verses anyone else. Monrovia players stop their run game down the stretch to win the game, and now they what to expect, they would stop them in a playoff game. Besides, if you take away the muffed punt, Safety and block punts, LA only scores once. The ceiling on Monrovia’s offense is very high. In the playoffs Monrovia would probably score 35-42 pts against LA, if we don’t turn it over. We figured out their pass defense with 1:00 minute on the clock. In a rematch, we would get right to it. It’s one thing to know “who you are”…but what if that’s “not who you want to be”? LA is 2-3 and any type of passing game would have them at 4-1. Monrovia needs to solidify their oline and stop turning the ball over on our side of 50. We also need to improve on short yardage situations and red zone offense. The defense is fine. They been put in bad spots the entire season. If we can correct that…we should be ready to go.

          • New York

            Lots of room to improve. Lots of upside.
            “Besides, if you take away the muffed punt, Safety and block punts, LA only scores once.” I am glad we avoided self-inflicted disaster. I hope special teams gets the practice time and attention it deserves. Poor special teams plays goes hand in hand with the turnovers. Not the sign of a championship team against high caliber opponents. So, I repeat: Lots of room to improve. Lots of upside.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            spot on NY

          • Mean Joe Green

            I think the difference is that I give Los Altos credit for the muffed punt, the blocked field goal, the blocked punts and the Safety. Arcadia couldn’t have done that to us. A good team exposes good teams. Los Altos exposed a lot of holes in our game while simultaneously revealing their own. The good news for us is that we can adjust. The bad news for them is that they don’t have the horses to fill their holes. I agree that they need to have a passing game to keep teams honest, but they can simply do what San Dimas does and pass only 4 to 5 times a game. Keep in mind, Glendora beat Charter Oak, not because they completed passes, they just chucked the ball down the field every now and then to keep them honest. If LA chucked the ball down field a few times we wouldn’t have put 9 in the box during the 4th quarter like we did.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            ok…i see you. I do give LA credit for the special teams plays but, I also blame Monrovia for letting that happened. Our long snapper needs to practice…If you are saying that LA exposed us…I disagree there. The had a combined 200 yrds total offense…I don’t remember too many long drives..I remember Monrovia’s offense/bad punts setting them up on our side of the 50 every time. LA is not going to drive 80 yrd 5-6 times in the game with no passing offense. If you don’t turn the ball over…they will score no more than 21 pts. I respect their toughness, they are a tough out…but I am not building them up to be a power this year. Monrovia played sloppy Friday. we should have scored 35 at least. That’s just the truth here.

          • Mean Joe Green

            Agreed.

          • SGV football fan

            Your one sick cat. You just played this team you moron and where very fortunate to pull a rabbit from the hat at the end of the game and get the win. Now your on here with crazy comments like “we would put 42 points on this team in the playoffs” I’m beginning to wonder if your your really a Monrovia lunatic or someone posing as a Monrovia Honk with over the top comments just to make the rest of the Monrovia faithful look like complete idiots. Take your meds and get off the computer for awhile. Just about 90 comments here and about 70% of them are you spouting your delusional thoughts about a team that could easily be 2-3.

      • Conq ’76

        I’ve witnessed LA execute an above average “short passing” game using quick slants, flat passes and the like. Where I have seen them get into trouble is when Ziola calls for the long or even medium length passes. Silva’s ball tends to sail and is picked off WAY too often. He has connected on a few longer passes, even against Glendor. But to my mind, he should stick only to the quick passes and throw long only to keep opposing secondaries honest. Even then he should make sure that if his receiver is not going to get to the ball, than no one should.

        A game plan alternating quick passes and utilizing his line to push the ball down field with the run, while eating up the clock. would play to their strengths.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          That could work…however, I don’t any passing game that could make a team respect LA’s WR’s. Even with short passes…if a team is in cover one…which they will be against LA, the WR would have to get open quickly. Normally, LA has a QB that can scramble and make things happen by extend plays until coverage breaks down. This years LA Qb does not have that ability. Maybe the answer is putting a more athletic QB back there. Maybe the wing T would work for them. They have the line and backs…

          • Conq ’76

            Don’t know that they have a more athletic QB or if Ziola would make a change after having put this QB through the trial of preseason. All that work will have been wasted.

            Maybe incorporating a double tight-end formation and forcing opponents to take-on the LA line, which is their strength. Either way, against both your Mustangs and against SD, LA was in a position to come away with a win against demonstrably faster teams. You guys scored 25 and SD 22, while LA managed to keep pace. Based on this criteria, it seems to me that the priority has got to be one that “closes the deal” and not letting teams “steal” the game away at the last moment.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I would not compare those two games…I would be looking at the SD game, which was a loss to a lower division school and the Blowout game verses Glendora. SD has been running their offense for years…and Glendora’s QB has had a year under his belt. Mornovia has a brand new offense, and brand new QB. By time the playoffs come, that offense will be clicking and we can truly evaluate. Monrovia has only lost 1 rematch verses SD and that was 6 years ago. If we were to meet again, I would have to say Monrovia has the capability of scoring 42 pts verses LA. Here is why…LA ran a prevent defense the whole game…it was not until the last minute did Monrovia adjust their routes. In rematch, LA might try to go cover 1 but they would get beat all day. I don’t see LA finding a wrinkle down the road which will score more than 21-24 pts.

          • AramT

            In case you guys haven’t noticed yet, LA is the Stanford of the area. Nearly identical philosophy and talent structure.

          • Conq ’76

            Hence my Double tight-end recommendation.

          • New York

            A double-tight, double-wing could be good for a team that prefers to play inside the hash marks.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Yeah but Stanford has Montgomery and killer TEs. LA has the Running package down, but nothing on the outside to keep you honest.

          • Conq ’76

            LA’s only hope on D is if the line can keep enough pressure on opposing QB’s, keeping them from completing those passes which would bring the total points to 42 or so. If the Conq’ D can penetrate, as they did against Santa Monica, it will take some of the pressure of the D backs. They won’t necessarily be “beat all day” if the QB is running for cover as he seeks to find a receiver. But, as they say, that’s why they play the games!

  • Inland_FB_Fan

    These rankings should be like college football (FBS, DII, DIII, etc) Have a Upper division (Big Boy Football), Mid Level Division ( Your Monrovia’s, San Dimas’, etc.) and Little fishbowl (Maranatha, La Salle, etc) Give a top 10 in each.

    • Don

      I guess that you are assuming that there are teams in the west valley d that are ready to play with the rel “Big Boys” like Mater Dei and Bosco when in reality none of them, with the exception of Centennial could stay on the same field as a top team from the Trinity or Mission League. Bad assumption.

      • SGV football fan

        There are teams in the West Valley Division like Mission Viejo, Edison, and Tessoro that have, in recent memory, played in the PAC-5 Championship game. I would think that there will be years when there are West Valley teams that are better then the PAC-5 Champion but because the West Valley schools are public they are more likely to have up and down years. By the way, Centennial is now in the PAC-5 and no longer in D2.

        • Don

          “I would think that there will be years when there are West Valley teams that are better then the PAC-5 Champion”.

          Just don’t see this happening. As a matter of fact, how many WV schools have actually booked a game with a Trinity or Mission power? 1? 2?

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Upland lost 28-14 to Mater Dei

          • SGV football fan

            Those 2 leagues have to book someone in the preseason and many times they don’t want to book someone they might see in the playoffs. I think you’ll see teams like Edison, Mission, Tessoro, Upland, Rancho, Vista, and other top West Valley teams trying to book those 2 leagues in the future. I believe the Trinity and Mission will probably own a winning record vs the West Valley over a period of time, but we’ll see some WV teams win some of those games and occasionally have a State Open contender.

          • http://bishopamat.org/ Joe Amat

            As great as we all believe Mission Viejo has been, they’ve never been able to win a championship at the highest level. Never.

          • WCDan

            Technically MV never did win D1 or Pac 5,
            But the 2004 Mission Viejo team blew out both the D1 champ Long Beach Poly (41 to 14) and D1 finalist Los Alamitos (55 to 21), they also beat Mater Dei and Concord De la Salle that same year. Maybe we can crown them the “unofficial” 2004 D1 champs.

          • http://bishopamat.org/ Joe Amat

            Not “technically”…literally! It’s not about winning along the way , it’s about navigating a league schedule and then winning a 4 game gauntlet. You might be able to beat the finalist, but you have to get there first. Easier said than done

          • New York

            You are correct, and doing it in September and October is different from November and December, but MV was powerful that year and by their huge margin of victory over both D1 finalists as well as beating DLS, I think they could have navigated your division just fine that year.
            MV also had good success the few years they were in the Pac-5, but they never won it all. Maybe they needed Mark Sanchez to win those type of games.

          • WCDan

            Technically, literally, both words come to the same conclusion, that MV didn’t win D1 that year, never the less they had a D1 caliber schedule that year, in fact over the season they had a tougher schedule than both D1 finalist, and their playoff schedule was comparable to both D1 finalist. I think if you were a betting man your chances of success would have been with MV that year.

          • http://bishopamat.org/ Joe Amat

            Dan,

            I think that’s the entire point. In the Pac5 you should NEVER be a betting man! Even a great program like Mission Viejo has seen that in the Pac5 playoffs you can stub your toe along the way…even if you are a favorite.

          • WCDan

            Lol, Agreed.

      • last picked

        That whole point is invalid seeing how Centennial lost to Mater Dei by 20 and Upland lost to them by 14.

        • Don

          Not at all seeing as how my whole point is about the willingness to play teams on the next level. In the case of my argument here, I am talking about the second and third tier Pac-5 who all HAVE to play some of the elite 12 as compared to the rare team like La Mirada or Edison who CHOOSE to play the likes of Servite or Mater Dei. A team from the top 10 or 12 of the West Valley Division playing a team from the lower half of the Pac-5 isn’t really the same at all.

          • last picked

            “when in reality no ie teams, with the exception of Centennial could stay on the same field as a top team from the Trinity or Mission League”.. again this is what you wrote. Upland is in the i.e.

          • Valley Athletics

            Norco beat alemany in preseason . They where not on PAC 5 yet .

          • last picked

            Really? They both are now, so what is the difference?

          • Valley Athletics

            There is no difference ,just a correction of some info .

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      Well hey..Where does La Serna Fit in? Where does Rancho and Upland fit into the “Big Boy” football? They have not won a title since they were in Mid Level football…Don’t both those schools have 4,000 kids? It Sucks that right after Centennial left, Tesoro stepped in and will be taking place of “Team Rancho or Upland can’t beat” in the Semis..if either make it that far…. Now La Serna has stepped in for a piece of the Action…If you don’t win soon, will the Baseline teams need need relief? If Last week was the 2nd round Rancho would have been bounced out the Southeastern playoffs…

    • reality

      Great idea. Start your own site and maybe you’ll stay off of this one.

      • Inland_FB_Fan

        Who the he11 are you to tell me what to do. It makes more sense than these rankings.

      • Don

        This guy doesn’t need his own site. He and his pal from uppityland are all over the high school boards proselytizing their view of ie supremacy. What’s really funny is when they crack on someone else for boosting Amat as living in the past. This guy seems to still think it’s still the 80’s and Dick Bruich is still talking smashmouth (still hate that expression) football.

  • Spartan Pops

    One game at a time Spartans!!! Keep up the hard work and don’t pay attention to all the baseline hype. Championships are won “one game at a time”.

  • OuttaYourMindTrib

    Damien vs. Ayala… usually an exciting game when it’s at Ayala. They did not disappoint. Thanks for a good game boys. Worth the price of admission.