FINAL All-Encompassing SGV(N) Top 25 for 2015 … WHAT A SEASON!

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1. La Mirada (13-3) — Amazingly dominant postseason says it all.
2. San Marino (15-1) — Second-in-a-lifetime group of players.
3. La Habra (13-2) — Had most amazing moment of the season.
4. Bishop Amat (10-3) — Hit their ceiling hard in Pac-5.
5. Charter Oak (12-2) — To accomplish all that with ZERO size. Wow!
6. La Serna (11-3) — Another remarkable postseason by Lancers.
7. Glendora (11-2) — Sad to see QB Fink and strong senior class go.
8. St. Francis (9-4) — Coaching staff willed team to semifinals.
9. Northview (10-2) — Another fine season by HC Perez and crew.
10. Bonita (8-3) — Program is always in the conversation.
11. San Dimas (10-4) — Really put things together at the right time.
12. Diamond Ranch (7-4) — Drawing San Marino really hurt.
13. Los Altos (5-5) — Down year in ’15, but top 5 in ’16?
14. Monrovia (8-4) — Pretty good when 12-game season is a down year.
15. Baldwin Park (7-4) — What a job by Braves coach James Heggins.
16. Covina (7-5) — Colts finally had their moment in playoffs.
17. South Pasadena (8-3) — Late-season injury to best player hurt.
18. Arroyo (8-3) — League champs with first-year QB.
19. Arcadia (5-5) — Apaches look like program on the rise.
20. West Covina (4-6) — Bad luck started in the offseason.
21. South Hills (4-7) — Got going at right time of year again.
22. Maranatha (7-5) — Bogan wins even in rebuild mode.
23. Rosemead (5-6) — Time to ease up on nonleague schedule.
24. Rio Hondo Prep (6-4) — Northern Div. proved too tough.
25. Pasadena (5-5) — Turkey Tussle was perfect capper for ‘Dogs.

  • Semper Titanius

    I’m satisfied.

    • SGV Football Historian

      Brevity is the height of wisdom! I agree with ST!

  • joho

    And they would ALL lose by 40 points to Amat…. Oh well…..

    • guest

      Good try but the Amat fans are too busy sending Christmas gifts to Muir players.

    • AMAT73

      joho,
      Your post has no relevance here , this is not about who is the best in the SGV based on head to head . My only issue is why isn’t SM at number 1 15-1 and the only loss in a irrelevant , no sense state playoff game , take that away and 15-0 SM tops 12-3 LM . Seems now Aram is putting some stock in winning state .

      • joho

        Oh, sorry AMAT73, I thought Top 25 Rankings was about who were the top teams …silly me

        • AMAT73

          joho,
          Not in this case , just top 25 as far as season in their own world . Posts like that just lead to witty posts such as the one below from folks waiting for a chance to throw a jab at AMAT .

          • joho

            Got it , anyway Amat should have a decent team next year as well, I don’t get the reference to Christmas cards and Muir

          • AMAT73

            joho ,
            Yup I think we will surprise the many doubters who think we will we have bare cupboards next season . On the Christmas gifts , why just Muir since we get players from all over the SGV and outer areas .

      • Stooh

        Yes I believe it’s because they won state. LM 3 losses were to Bosco (#1 in the country for a bit) Mater Dei a trinity powerhouse and San Clemente who loss on a hail Mary on its last play in the CIF finals. SM games this year were with a bunch of nobody then to lose and not even make state? Ouch! I’m sure LM would have done the same in your schedule . So yes that’s why LM is at #1 this year. You read it… Dominant!!

        • Semper Titanius

          Excellent! Another bonehead joins the discussion. Listen here, Stooge, you are Johnny-come-way-too-late to this analysis. Everyone on here who wasn’t already a believer (approximately three of us) has long ago been straight up schooled on powerhouse Titan football. Not worth the time or energy to explain this year to you, so pay attention from the beginning of class next year when the Titans once again roll.

          • Stooh

            Calm down Semper TightNuts! If I’m late is probably b/c I have a life unlike you old ass dweeb arguing over who had the better high school season.

        • AMAT73

          stooh,
          Evidently LM’s win has you dizzy . SM played for a state title so they did make state, may not have won but yes they played for the title . As far as your “LM would have done the same with AMAT’s schedule” , what exactly do you mean by that , that LM would have made it to the PAC-5 semi’s ????? Get real , you had a good season but now your really going off the deep end or would you care to explain further what you mean . Still say SM should be # 1 !!!!!

          • Stooh

            Probably not Pac 5 semis but with the LM team they had this yr SM schedule and the state game they would’ve owned it. Look I’m not here to get your blood boiling like Semper TightNuts! that’s just my opinion. SM had a hell of a season.

          • Semper Titanius

            Dude, you just got done saying that SM played a bunch of nobody and didn’t make state. You obviously have no idea whether SM had a h#$* of a season. Man up and stick to your original nonsense comment . . . or go back to your “life” and leave the post season analysis to those actually paying attention.

      • AVMjr

        Why do you consider the state championship game “a irrelevant , no sense state playoff game”?

  • SGV Football Historian

    AT – is the first team of a lifetime the ’88 team?

    • AramT

      Yes. And on second thought, that 88 team was better. The division that San Marino played in back then was tougher than the more localized division that San Marino plays in now. The second-best team in league in 88 was a powerhouse TC team. The second-best team in league this year was a ho-hum Monrovia team.

      • SGV Football Historian

        As you know – I was on that staff. It will be argued forever. If I go round by round of the playoffs. South Torrance vs. Diamond Ranch (ST with Johnie Morton), Verbum Dei vs. Don Lugo (edge to VD), Lompoc vs. Summit (edge to Summit – Lompoc game ’88 was a blowout with NK as a sophomore), Santa Maria vs. CO (edge to Santa Maria/slight – Santa Maria was good, but had nobody like Zion). Then there is the additional HS – BCS. That team did not have the opportunity to advance – this group did and beat a very good SC team. And then there is this matter of CCHS. We will never know exactly what could/would have happened with a healthy Glazier. Let’s not forget that nearly every publication is saying that this CCHS team is being touted as one of the best small schools of all time (Cal-Hi/Max Preps). Wicke and Cabbot threw for 300 yards can you imagine what Glazier and the boys do? Definitely take away at least 14 points (2 pick sixes FOR CERTAIN). It is certainly a DIFFERENT game. OK – look at player or unit comparison. QB – 2015, WR – 2015, RB 88 (Santos and Dietrich – no contest), OL – toss up. Defense – edge to 88 but a ton of two way players on 88 team with two very good players in the middle (Metcalf and Dolan vs. Wicke and Uriarte) Tough call, but got to give it to 88 there. Outside of that, it may be a toss-up. A great debate for SM fans until the next great team. Either way – both great teams with rings. Fun to debate! I was lucky to have a small part in both teams!

        • Semper Titanius

          I hesitate to comment as I have friends on both teams. But my friends on the 2015 team respond: “let’s strap it up right now and go.”

          • SGV Football Historian

            Oh – if only!

          • guest

            I think if they played 2015 would win, the 1988 team is about 45 years old and would be wheezing and broken down by about the 5 minute mark in the first quarter.

            It would be a blow out. I defy any 45 year old man to defend on Shohfi. It would be a series of one possession touchdown passes.

          • SGV Football Historian

            touchee!

          • AramT

            No surprise there. When you become legendary like the 2015 now is, you have to just sit back and listen and watch as others compare you to the other all-time greats. It’s a distinction only champions get. It’s more proof that no matter what, you’ll NEVER be forgotten. And maybe in 2035, we’ll be comparing that SM team to the 15 team and saying “there’s no way they could hang, Glazier would drop dimes all over them. ” Believe me, nobody is gonna compare the ’15 Monrovia to anything. Sorry, but that’s how how it is. This SM team was a gift from the gods. Just like the 88 team was. Just like the championship Monrovia teams of years past were, and so on. I will never forget them.

          • Semper Titanius

            Nice tribute.

      • observantcat

        Hey Aram, How did ho-hum Monrovia end up behind ho-ho-ho-um Los Altos? remember they didn’t even make it to the playoffs.

        • The stands

          Simple, Aram is a Los Altos homer. As you can see, he already has the Conqs ranked top 5 next year. I would’ve put Monrovia ahead of LA also. You can also see his bias against Amat. His only negative comment for a top 10 team was reserved for BA, a team that was final four in arguably the toughest division in HS football. I’m in no way suggesting BA at #1 given his criteria. At the end of the day, these are his rankings to do as he wishes.

  • Valley Athletics

    According to the final CalHi state rankings La Habra is 5th ranked and La Mirada is 9th ranked in division 2 . San Marino finished number 1 ranked in division 4 . central Catholic who beat SM finished number 1 in division 3 . Other teams who where in division 3 where Camarillo and Calabasus . So San Marino actually played a team from a higher division without there QB . I still would of put San Marino at one because they went undefeated all the way to cif finals .

  • reality

    I always liked the bottom ten columns. Teams with a surprisingly rough season: El Rancho what happened? West Covina,all because one summer injury? Claremont, did CoCo rely on one guy to much,Monrovia, would not have made the playoffs in any other league.Los Altos, did spending too much time on weird plays hurt their real purpose? Arroyo, Azusa,Rosemead and Montebello need to prove that they can at least compete in the playoffs.Still wondering why Bechtel left the high flying and loaded school like Chino Hills to go to damaged goods like South Hills. A real head scratcher to me. Finally my number 1 is San Marino. No one I mean no-body saw this run as a possibility at the start of the season. They were fine against the Temple City’s of the world but against Diamond Ranch they would crumble like a house of cards. Not to mention late round teams.They marched and burned like Sherman’s army with a bunch of “Who are those guys” players. San Marino Titans #1 for so many reasons.

    • Semper Titanius

      Thank you. Props for the recognition. BUT, you cannot say NOBODY predicted it.

    • Ranch Man

      For reality and anyone interested in what truly happened at ER in 2015.

      Various factors led to the demise of the momentum built by Vinny Lopez at El Rancho High School. In just one year the program went from Perenial league power to a bottom feeder.
      Vinny Lopez leaves very late in the year leaving the program paralyzed when spring ball is about to start. The school names long time Lopez assistant Eric Yost the interim coach, he knows the offense very well and had the team humming along nicely during passing tournaments. The school decides to go with Roddy Hiatt as head coach and it is assumed that he was to run the same offense to ease the transition.

      During the Rumble At The Ranch tournament Roddy Hiatt is in attendance but a few days away from being cleared to take over the team. Roddy attempts to court Yost and give him the keys to the offense, but Yost gives him the cold shoulder and decides to bail on the team. Roddy then turns to long time assistant and linemen guru Juan Gonzalez to run his offense, Juan is a smart young coach that does wonders with the linemen. A couple of young Lopez assistants Perea, Allen, Becerra are kept on staff. Hiatt makes a couple of other hires for the varsity and fills his freshmen staff, Rich Melendez is named Freshmen head coach over Paul Camacho, overall a very thin staff as a whole that was to have been filled but it never materialized.

      A couple of weeks into summer there was problems with the freshmen head coach apparently being racist during a passing scrimmage, coupled with him trying to disconnect the players from the varsity and being subordinate and coach Hiatt had to fire him, at the same time another coach quit. The freshmen team was now left paralyzed the same as the varsity had earlier in the year. Varsity assistant Manuel Abundes is named freshmen head coach, the linemen go coach less the entire season.

      During this time problems are brewing on the varsity side. Juan Gonzalez begins to work with the offense and attempts to put in some new offensive wrinkles, Juan wanted to put in a pro style offense because having come from Salesian high school which is in the tough Angelus league, he knew ER needed to have a power running game and wanted to be able to wear down some teams. He began to get opposition from the assistants Perea, Allen, etc, anything he attempted to add in that was different that last year they complained about. Hiatt begins to put in his defense and he gets the same opposition from those same coaches. During this time Hiatt left to Mexico to see his son, when he comes back he seems to be out at practice in spurts and seems to leave early at times, Hiatt delegates a lot of duties to his assistants thinking he’s doing the right thing. During this time someone begins to form a mutiny against Hiatt and basically turns many people against him, parents, players, the equipment guy etc.

      As the season gets closer there is clear problems with the freshmen parents not wanting to fund raise, someone turns the parents against the QB club and coach Hiatt, Hiatt says enough is enough either you get with the program or transfer your son out. People begin to anonymously post their unhappiness about Hiatt, the mid valley sports site seems to have an insider feeding them stuff where their columns basically write the ranch off due to Roddy Hiatt.

      Week 0 ER goes into Claremont with a brand new QB. The defense seems to do fairly well but the offense can’t get anything moving. Isiah Araujo is one of the lone bright spots in this game, he brings the team within 6 at the end of the 3rd but ER eventually loses to Claremont. Some words directly from one of the players “after the Claremont loss, a bunch of us basically didn’t care anymore.”

      Week 1 we take on Capo Valley, Week 2 Newport Harbor, these are some typically big athletic OC teams, we hang very tough but in the end we cannot pull these games off simply due to such an inexperienced staff, by this point Cedrick Allen is running the defense and he has at most 2 years coaching experience only at the JV level. We are now 0-3 heading into our bye week. Everyone saw spurts of greatness and thought we would turn a corner. Week 4 vs Diamond Ranch rolls around, the game starts off in complete disaster, we go down 21-0 3 min into the game. ER fights back and makes it close but then we lose our Starting QB Adam Chandler to a knee injury. Isaiah Araujo is inserted at QB from WR and goes down with an ankle injury on the last offensive play of the game. He ended up with a bad sprain.

      Week 5 rolls around, many people urge Araujo to sit out the Katella game, but a player with such heart and love for the game refuses to sit out. At this point our starting QB is out, backup has a sprained ankle, JV starter has a concussion so we’re playing with the backup JV QB on varsity. During this week we are finally forced to go back to that power running offense the coaches so heavily opposed because we don’t have a true QB. The game starts off with ER marching down and getting to the 5 yard line but failing to convert a FG. In the second series Araujo comes into the game, first play in and be breaks his ankle. Just like that the season is basically in shambles. We end up 0-5 in preseason and absolutely everyone is blaming Hiatt when we simply don’t have anyone who knows how to run the spread, and don’t have a QB to run the spread or any offense for that matter. Roddy Begins to show health issues, high BP, diabetes, he ends up in the ER but comes back for the week 6 game vs Santa Fe.

      The week 7 game vs SF starts ok, we manage to keep the game close at half, but eventually fall to SF, not much offense with a backup JV QB. We have multiple players dropping like flies during this game so an already thin offense gets thinner. During this week Roddy Hiatt can’t handle the stresses of the season, has a fall and goes on medical leave.

      Week 7 vs La Serna we are still without starting QB Chandler, Araujo out for the year, Quijada out, along with a few other key players and the keys to the team are given to a 2 year experience Cedrick Allen as the intermin head coach. The game is fairly ugly but we begin to see the emergence of sophomore RB Jason Vela who was the lone bright spot vs LS.

      Week 8 vs Whittier rolls along and with our playoff hopes on the line we finally have Chandler back at QB who we lost in week 4. We battle this whole game and in my eyes are the far superior team, Chandler eases back into it by halftime and it seems like we are on our way to winning, but ultimately inexperienced coaching from a thin staff cost us this game.

      Week 9 rolls around vs Pioneer, we have little playoff hopes but must win in order to keep the hopes alive. Sophomore RB Jason Vela takes the opening play from scrimmage about 55 yards to the house and gives ER its first lead the entire season, week 9 and it’s our first lead. ER basically toys with Pioneer for 3 quarters and at one point is up 3 TDs. Somehow some way coaching rears its ugly head and we allow pioneer to creep back into it and we end up losing this game, 0-9 start at this point and on brink of finishing off the worse season in El Rancho Rancho Football history. Prior to the pioneer game I along with other parents are at practice to watch our kids. We notice that the interim coach Allen has a loud speaker playing rap music throughout practice, a bunch of players showing up late and a bunch just goofing off. Probably one of the lowest of lows I have ever seen for El Rancho football. Many parents are extremely unhappy with this and many are questioning how Cedrick Allen was put in charge.

      Week 10 we manage to pull of the win against Cal mainly due to the power running game and Sophomore RB Jason Vela playing his heart out.

      The season was doomed from the start, late coach departure, mutiny against the head coach from everyone, players messing around before games and talking to girls outside the locker room, player injuries, heavy schedule etc was the perfect recipe for an atrocious season.

      We sat here for weeks thinking Margarito Beltran was headed to the ranch and it didn’t happen, we now sit here waiting and hoping for Adrian Boomer Medrano to come rescue the ranch. We will have about 18 returning starters, but without the right guy coming in on time to take over, we are on the brink of a complete demise.

      • reality

        Always appreciate a straight unbiased report with no real agenda other than to be better next year. My ear to the ground folks tell me that the ER alum coach at Bonita has been hinting that he is now considering moving on to ER. Far different than what he was saying two months ago. I assume this will be resolved soon because it is in ER’s interest to get their new head coach on campus ASAP.

  • Stooh

    Gotta give it up to La Mirada and what they were able to do in the post season. People talk about transfers and all that jazz, but it took a great coaching staff to get these kids on the same page and regroup after a very tough preseason which none of the teams in the top 5 even came close to. What they did once getting to league and then even playoffs regional and state was remarkable. There RB Sei J Lauago was definitely on another level against any team in the post season. His performance in the playoffs is something I’ve never seen. Once again it begins with coaching… Shout out to Moschetti and the whole LM staff. Great season!

  • FredJ

    Aram makes this way more complicated than it should be. Without question, here are the final top 5 teams … Anyone with clear thinking realizes that if Amat, La Habra, La Mirada and San Marino were together in a final four, this is how it would turn out.

    1. Bishop Amat
    2. La Habra
    3. La Mirada
    4. San Marino
    5. La Serna

    • The stands

      Yes, clearly, but I thought these rankings aren’t about head to head “what if’s.” It’s hard to argue that in their own corner of the world San Marino bested them all. I’m a doubter no longer, give them the credit they earned.

      • Mean Joe Green

        Its not about head to head matchups. To even suggest that we have a head to head ranking system is absolutely ridiculous and only benefits one team.

    • Semper Titanius

      Nonsense. You appeared to be paying some attention during the season (even though you were off by more than 17 points and the result in the Central Division finals) but you have abandoned any hint of clear thinking here. Better luck next year, Freddie.

    • Valley Athletics

      In the final CalHi state rankings Amat was 9th and La Habra was 31st . No other team was in the top 50 . If your going by the way rankings work and not by who can beat who San Marino would get my vote . They had an amazing run and lost to only the 24th ranked team in the state without there QB who would of made a big difference .

      • SGV Football Historian

        I have watched the film over and over again at this point. I have come around significantly; Carson Glazier makes a difference in that game. I have also watched a ton of film on the other five listed here. Central Catholic goes down to the Titans with a healthy Glazier. SM also beats all of Fred’s top five with the exception of Bishop Amat. Bottom line – shouldn’t BA beat everyone on this list? They have resources that the other schools either don’t have or choose not to have. No hating here of BA – the Pac 5 is just at a different level. That is why they are the P5. Like most have said, this is not about who can beat who….this is about dominating the schedule you play and winning a CIF title. This area was fortunate to have so much success. SM still finished #1 in the state in its LCOTW.
        This group of Titans will be REMEMBERED!!!

    • AramT

      Fred, do you understand pound-for-pound rankings? That’s all this is. This is one heavyweight mixed in with a bunch of middleweights and lightweights and light heavy weights. I’m sorry you still can’t grasp that comparing a upper-tier Pac-5 team to a upper-tier Central Division team HEAD-to-HEAD is plain stupid. You do realize that if Floyd Mayweather fought the No. 4-ranked heavyweight in the world, he’d get his ass kicked, right? But when Floyd Mayweather holds down his weight class better than said No. 4-ranked heavyweight, we acknowledge it by saying he’s the best “pound-for-pound fighter in the world.” I don’t know why this is STILL so difficult for you to understand. I get it. Doing things this way means Amat can’t be No. 1 because the teams I have above them do better in their weight class than does Amat does in its own.

      • SGV Football Historian

        Won’t you guys consider with the new divisioning next year doing it by comparable divisions? Not enough Pac 5 types in our area?
        I see that. Calhi divides and conquers by doing it that way. Maybe too simple with that formula. I am not convinced that this area will have that many top caliber teams next year?

      • Spam Burger

        And that’s exactly why it makes no sense to even include Amat in any poll. In their worst year, they would still be a 10-14 point favorite over anyone in the valley.

        • AMAT73

          SB,
          We’ve been saying that for years ,

        • Mean Joe Green

          Amat deserves no more preferential treatment than any other program in the SGV. Rankings should be based on how well you are doing or have done in your respective divisions. If you win CIF in your division, you should definitely be in the top 5 and if you win CIF in the PAC-5 then you should be number one. But since Amat has not done that then they do not deserve to be ranked other teams that have. The boxing ranking system is the only ranking system that provides us with a means of ranking SGV schools that play in different divisions.

          • Spam Burger

            Agree and disagree with some of what you said. It’s all subjective to what division and who you lose to and when you lose to them. What you are saying is Charter Oak should be ranked higher than Amat because they made the finals in their respective division, yet Amat in the Pac 5 semi finals had 4 teams ranked in the top 7 in the state , 2 ranked in the top 3 in the nation. Apples and oranges. Those P4P boxing ranking are for show only. Mayweather would get destroyed moving u 3/4 division and would probably die fighting a heavyweight.

          • AMAT73

            MJG ,
            By no means am I even suggesting AMAT at #1 but your boxing ranking system ( pound for pound) takes in no account for fights against tomato cans . There is no true way to rank any of these teams fairly by any system . If you follow the rankings thru out the season you will see lower level teams with no loses hovering at 20-25 for what reason ? Because they at a lower level . They get punished for weak schedules ( no fault of theirs ) just as AMAT gets punished because you can’t compare their schedule to other teams on this list as far as strength . These are the rankings of the scribes who each have their own system as you can see all 3 disagree on this ranking . Until a set format universal to all such as a point system for the various categories ,wins,loses, league champion, playoffs , sos , and so forth there is no way you have a true list that follows set rules to rank . I still say no one had a better season then SM , no matter how you slice it , THEY WERE ROBBED to use a boxing term heard many times .

          • Mean Joe Green

            You are absolutely correct. We are trying to spray perfume on a crap burger. No matter how you slice it, the rankings will be flawed. I actually agreed with most people that SM should of been punished in the rankings for a weak schedule. However, I also don’t believe in scheduling up just to get your teeth knocked in so that you can be ranked higher in your lower division. Monrovia scheduling Amat does absolutely nothing for Monrovia. Having a running clock at half time against Amat’s second string in no way would prepare Monrovia for division competition. It would just teach the kids how to fall properly without significant injury. So on one hand I see the logic in punishing SM for a powder puff preseason. However, if SM had scheduled La Mirada in non-league like CO, they more than likely would have gotten their teeth kicked in also and still would have beat CO in CIF. So I think this season is starting to challenge the conventional thinking that there are supreme benefits to scheduling up.

          • SGV Football Historian

            Agree with all that you say with the exception that SM gets their “teeth kicked in” by La Mirada. That would be a good game between two CIF Champions. Although SM has no business beating or competing with a school twice its size, in this case it could. CalPreps is not perfect, but is used in so many arguments here and it works for me here so I will speculate…According to CalPreps, the Central was a more “challenging” and better division ranking two ahead of the Southeast. La Mirada perhaps wins the Central, but maybe not…La Mirada’s wins in CIF are not substantially more impressive than the wins that SM had. Please – don’t misinterpret the message – LM had a great year, congrats! But “teeth kicked in” is a bit of a reach. Round by Round – Diamond Ranch/Sante Fe – DR, Don Lugo/Dominguez – Dom; Summit/Cathedral – Summit; La Serna/CO – sorry both good, but give slight edge this year to ZIon Echols, Ferrar and CO. State Playoffs – Sierra Canyon/Oceanside – SC; Central Catholic/Campolindo – NO CONTEST – Central Catholic and SM “kicks teeth in” of Campolindo as well. Both great years and both deserving of praise and consideration for top spot

          • AMAT73

            MJG,
            Totally agree that it makes no sense to get your teeth kicked in by over up scheduling . As you can see by SGV’s post some think their teams are capable of taking on upper division teams without getting their teeth kicked in . Maybe SM could have dealt with LM this season , but usually teams sign 2 year deals or possibly 3 year , so what would happen next season , because consensus is this was a once in a lifetime team , you guessed it , they get their teeth kicked in . There is argument that if SM had scheduled some tougher preseason teams they might have been ready for Central Catholic . Scheduling up doesn’t mean D-13 playing D1 . Something like M-Town vs SF is about right . I think SF would have been a great test for SM or any other Angelus League team , even Damien to a certain extent . It’s all about how much you want to test your team .

      • Steve Ramirez

        My two cents: I agree with Aram on the pound for pound argument. You basically rank there seasons. My only argument is that I would rank La Habra over La Mirada, as I did in the WDN rankings, for three reasons. Cal-Hi and ESPN Cal rankings had La Habra ahead of La Mirada; putting La Habra at No. 31 in its state top 50 and has someone wrote, had then ranked LH over LM in its divisional rankings. LH and LM have a common opponent — San Clemente. LH beat SC, albeit on a Hail Mary throw, while LM lost by 16. Also while LM won a state title, it wasn’t like a state title in basketball. The way the pairings were set up this season was to rank top 50 section champions. The top-ranked teams in the South and North met in the Open title game; the top two small school teams in both the north and south were paired up, leaving 22 teams in the south and 22 in the north, who were then paired up, 1 vs. 2, 3 vs. 4 and so on….Under that criteria, I think LH earned to be ranked ahead of LM, but it was close…that’s how I did in in the WDN area.

        • AMAT73

          Steve,
          So are you saying you would move SM down to 3rd or LM to 3rd ???? If you move LH above LM what do you do with SM ??? I see your point on a common opponent between LH and LM so that makes sense . But at the same time you kind of downgrade the state title by your ” wasn’t like a basketball title ” so SM’s one loss in the state title game is not that big of a hit to move them down , since LM’s title carries little weight as you ranked LH above them .

          • Steve Ramirez

            I’d probably would move SM to No. 3…For two reasons, one Cal-Hi doesn’t have them in the top 50 either, and if they weren’t in the Small Schools open division, they likely would have slipped into the 4AA-4A bracket from what I can tell watching Cal-Hi Sports bowl board preview videos. I think LH has the best win of any of the three (San Clemente) and the best loss (Mission Viejo), losing to a quality opponent, but keeping it competitive. It’s not that LM’s state title carries little weight, but I think LH has the best overall resume of the three, and LM might have the better resume than SM. But the three teams are very close.

          • AMAT73

            Steve,
            Are you running for Mayor or any political office anytime soon . You have my vote !!!!! Spoken like a true politician .

    • Mean Joe Green

      To even suggest that a ranking system of SGV teams be based on head to head matchups is outright insane. Why not crown Amat the Kings of the SGV and make them number one every year. Until the SGV has another Pac-5 team, you will have to place Amat number one even if they go 0-10 simply because of strength of schedule and division. CIF does not even do this. CIF ranks each team within their respective divisions. So either you have 13 different rankings (which I don’t think is practical) or you simply judge each team by what they accomplished in their divisions. So forgive me if I believe that Amat should not be ranked above ANY SGV team that won CIF. This is not an Amat bash either. Neither should Charter Oak, La Serna or San Dimas.

  • OnBLUE

    Calpreps Final Predictions 2015:

    Bishop Amat 44, La Mirada 21
    Bishop Amat 52, San Marino 19 (ouch!)
    Bishop Amat 41, La Habra 27
    Bishop Amat 48, Charter Oak 19
    Bishop Amat 52, La Serna 14

    It gets a lot worse from there. I agree…there’s no way you can rank these teams based on hypothetical head to head match ups…it’s just not fair. Calpreps is not always right of course, but they do a damn good job at predictions most of the time.

    • Titansportsfan

      I can’t buy the 52-19 prediction for Amat/Sm if they say Charter Oak would be a tighter game when we beat them by 17.

      • Semper Titanius

        Calpreps had CO over SM by 11, so they were off by 28 points in that matchup. If you give SM the benefit of the doubt, and give them that same 28 points against Amat, it’s 52-47. Obviously, a lot of intangibles go into each game, but a healthy SM team could play with Amat. SM destroys the rest of the teams on that list if you apply the same Calpreps “math” mistakes.

        • SGV Football Historian

          Let’s not forget that CO also scored a meaningless (essentially 2 meaningless TDs) late in the game after the outcome was decided. That game was a BLOWOUT – about the same outcome as LM / CO.
          However, like ST – no disrespect to what LM did. Great season! Although, the Suburban league is very top heavy (like many others). But look beyond that and see what they did to close the season like SM.

  • AVMjr

    I have come to the conclusion that no matter how LM performs there will always be haters. I’ll admit that my interest only began in 09′ when my oldest daughter was a freshman cheerleader there and so I’ve followed HS football to some degree since then. LM won a CIF title in 09′ and there was very little said about their accomplishment. Most of what was said by SGV posts discounted their win by the misfortune of GG team more so than by the talent of LM. Then for the next 5 years I’ve heard nothing but trash talk which seemed to be spawned by a video they made that really was nothing more than a team showcasing the many uniform color schemes they had. Going forward even though they won their league every year they were subjected to constant ridicule for not having stellar post season play. Now 2015 they have done everything right (forget preseason they’re nothing more than practice games and have no bearing on whether or not a team makes and wins a title) they destroy their league with a total score of 371-14 points. Then post season outscoring their opponents 239-63 for a total of 610-77. Not one of these teams comes close to that, not even your beloved SM. LM won the CIF title. LM won the regional title. LM WON the State title. There is not one other team that is listed on this post that can say that! So now its to the point that there needs to be this hypothetical list of scores for games that never happened in order to further diminish what actually did happen? This is ridiculous! You guys are worse than politicians. LM has nothing left to prove to anyone. They have done it. It’s over! Better luck next year.

    • AMAT73

      avmjr,
      SAN MARINO should still be at #1 .

      • Semper Titanius

        73: you rock, man!

        AVMjr: ha ha. Welcome to our world. Tell you what, let’s agree that all of these teams listed had outstanding seasons. Totally fine if those of us left standing (and I agree that you can legitimately claim you are the ONLY one left standing) thump our chests and claim we would beat all-comers in head to head competition. Doesn’t make anyone a hater, just makes us proud fans and supporters. Congrats to LM on an epic season. Rep’d the SGV no other.

        • AMAT73

          ST,
          The way I see it , if your fans have to come on here and justify the number 1 ranking and down play losses , then just maybe you shouldn’t be number 1 , I am positive if SM was 1 there would be no explaining needed .

          • Semper Titanius

            Yeah, good point. On the bases that LM won their state title, had a tremendous playoff run, and just seemed to do things right as they peaked to a great finale, I could not dispute their #1 ranking. Sure wish SM had been 100% for the title game. Everything changes then! Not making excuses. Injuries are a part of football, and these are team rankings, so you have to be able to beat everyone with what you have in reserve as well, but still . . . Rats!