LEAKED: New preliminary football playoff divisions … But CIF issues warning …

CIF STATEMENT REGARDING LEAK: “If anybody thinks that is the final divisional placements for these schools, they are sorely mistaken, they’re going to be completely disappointed and they’re going to look like fools when it finally gets sent out.”

IMPORTANT: Official playoff divisions will be released in August.

Division 1

Corona Centennial, Bishop Amat, St. John Bosco, Mission Viejo, Mater Dei, Vista Murrieta, Serra, JSerra, Orange Lutheran, LB Poly, Servite, Loyola, Santa Margarita, Tesoro, Upland, Rancho Cucamonga, Alemany, Chaminade, Chino Hills, Notre Dame, San Clemente, Norco, Oaks Christian.
Welcome in: Misison Viejo, Vista Murrieta, Chino Hills, San Clemente, Tesoro and Upland.
Notable goodbye: Crespi

Division 2

REV, Citrus Hill, St. Bonaventure, La Habra, Crespi, El Toro, Camarillo, Arroyo Grande, Great Oak, Valencia, Heritage, Murrieta Valley, Palos Verdes, Thousand Oaks, Buena Park, Edison, Rancho Verde, Los Alamitos, Newbury Park, St. Francis, Villa Park, Hart, La Serna.
Welcome in: La Serna, La Habra, St. Francis, Crespi.
Notable goodbye: Mission Viejo.

Division 3

Oak Hills, Cathedral, Serrano, Corona Santiago, La Mirada, San Juan Hills, Paso Robles, Atascadero, Charter Oak, Lompoc, Etiwanda, Glendora, Palm Springs, Downey, Colony, Lakewood, Corona del Mar, Dominguez, Damien, Carter, Trabuco Hills, Valencia, Cajon, Sierra Canyon, Chaparral, Redondo Union.

Division 4

Murrieta Mesa, ML King, Moorpark, Harvard-Westlake, Capo Valley, Temecula Valley, Ventura, Sonora, St. Joseph, Corona, Redlands, Calabasas, Fountain Valley, Roosevelt, Los Osos, Foothill, San Jacinto, Salesian, Riverside Poly, Bishop Diego, Troy, Paloma Valley, La Quinta, West Covina, San Marino, Yucaipa, Bonita, West Torrance, Mira Costa, Paramount, Saugus.

Division 5

Summit, Newport Harbor, Palmdale, Oxnard, Los Altos, Paraclete, Elsinore, Crescenta Valley, Canyon, Lawndale, Nipomo, LB Wilson, Simi Valley, Pomona, Cabrillo, Huntington Beach, Oxnard, Diamond Ranch, South Hills, Royal, Canyon, San Gorgonio, El Segundo, St. Margaret, Monrovia, Ayala, Norte Vista, Righetti, Tustin, Warren, Golden Valley, St. Paul.

Division 6

Millikan, North Torrance, Claremont, Fullerton, Linfield Chr, Moreno Valley, Brea Olinda, Grace Breth, Yorba Linda, Burroughs, Burbank, San Dimas, Don Lugo, Chino, Temescal Canyon, Garden Grove, Laguna Hills, Kaiser, Saddleback Valley Chr, Chaffey, Buena, Northview, Pioneer Valley, El Modena, Jordan, Hemet, Sunny Hills, Citrus Valley, Rio Mesa, Vista Del Lago, Palm Desert, Esperanza, Siverado.

Division 7

Woodbridge, La Salle, Antelope Valley, Santa Barbara, Riverside Notre Dame, Ridgecrest Burroughs, West Ranch, Eastside, Aliso Niguel, Mayfair, El Rancho, Cypress, Perris, South Torrance, Maranatha, California, Norwalk, Muir, Hesperia, Kennedy, Valley Chr, Lynwood, Arrowhead Chr, Diamond Bar, Morningside, Agoura, Tahquitz, Rubidoux, Pacifica, Dana Hills.

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  • Jastrab

    Los Osos D4 – that is ridiculous. You have to factor in enrollment at some point. LO has like 3,700 kids.

    • Norco

      What has Los Osos done to be put in any other division? …nada…nothing…zilch…

      • Jastrab

        Agreed, but it just seems wrong to put schools in divisions because they can win a title. What is wrong with going 25 years and finally winning a title. I am sure Eisenhower was fine with its lone title in 90 against Mater Dei. I agree that the demographics at Alta Loma required lowering them, but LO does bad because they have horrible coaching and kids that think they are entitled.

    • AramT

      That’s EXACTLY the point of the new system. Enrollment does not matter. At all. It’s all based on competitive equity. I really don’t think Alhambra and Keppel and Arcadia with 3k+ student populations belong in the same divisions as other schools of that size.

      So yeah, Los Osos being in D-4 is a beautiful thing.

      • Jastrab

        Aram, I agree with enrollment at established areas like Alhambra, but Los Osos is a different situation and I guess you can’t look at Belmont (LA) with almost 5K students with a large new school enrollment. I do think that there is a difference between an older community and a newer one. I just think that is alright for a school not not win a CIF title every 4.2 years. Northview has one football times 87 or so which is about 30 years after it opened and 30 years ago and there is nothing wrong with that. Makes titles mean all the more. Yes, I know Belmont is not the CIF.

    • doctordoomore

      At the risk of being Politically Incorrect, Arcadia’s 3,500 Asian kids to draw from in not the same as Los Osos’s 3,500 kid melting pot. Asian kids participate in sports at a much lower rate. Arcadia’s 3,500 Asian kids is probably the equivalent to an Inland Valley school of 1,500 kids. On the other hand, a school like Charter Oak (1,800 kids) or Bishop Amat (1,200), that “attacks athletes”, would be the equivalent of a large Inland Valley school.

      • Jastrab

        You got my point! I was trying to figure a way of looking at Los Osos demo versus Arcadia.

  • Jastrab

    I will also add CIF should say D4 though D7 should be awarded a certificate for champions an if you win 2 in a row or 3 out of 5 years you get the actual CIF plaque. You have capable programs way down the list.

  • Valley Athletics

    So if Crespi ends up in last place and loses all league games do they go to CIF playoffs ? Or if they win the mission league next year would they play in D 2 playoffs ? Why would St. Francis get move to division 2 and not La Mirada who just won D 2 . Diamond Bar in D7 . Why not put Diamond bar back in the Hacienda and move charter oak to palomares with the rest of D3 teams .

    • AramT

      Re: Crespi — The Celts, like anybody else, still needs to qualify for the playoffs. If they don’t finish top three in league or get an at-large berth, they aren’t making the D-2 field.

      • doctordoomore

        I think the big question is going to be, does CIF keep the same formula for determining the At Large births? Now, more then ever, you will be comparing apples to oranges.

      • vegemighty

        This is why the new system doesn’t make sense to me. If Crespi does poorly, they won’t qualify for the lower division playoff. If they do well in that league, they are actually a very good team and belong in the D1 playoffs. This system seems like it will give a good Crespi team an inside track to a deep run as a reward for a bad year by a previous team.

        If this system had been implemented last year, Loyola would surely have been in a lower division after two consecutive years without a league win. And yet, they were Pac-5 quarterfinalists, and as competitive against Bosco as Bishop Am at was. They were exactly where they belonged.

  • Rams83

    So CIF is disavowing this list, I for one am not buying it. This will pretty much be where these schools end up. Sure there might be a few changes when the final list is released in August but CIF will be doing this so they can say they were right when they said the so called “leaked” list was not accurate. BS this will 90% be the divisions.

    I would like to get Aram’s opinion on the placement of the West SGV teams he covers Rio Hondo League etc. Are they in the right division?

    • guest

      As far as SM is concerned they are losing a lot of talent, It is unlikely they will be competitive at a division above Monrovia..And I dont even see TC or LC listed on any..

      I would think it would make most sense to see how the teams play, rather than set up playoff brackets 6/7 months in advance.

  • FredJ

    At first glance, don’t like what the divisions looks like, which is how I thought I would feel all along. No geographic proximity, which means long road trips from the first round on. No more neighborhood divisions, which is what made the divisions exciting in the first place.
    And actual qualifying for these divisions will be interesting too, since this is not like basketball where virtually everyone gets in. You have a situation where Glendora and Diamond Bar are in the same league, but Glendora has to go through D-3 while Diamond Bar gets D-7. What’s even sillier is let’s say Diamond Bar is top-5 ranked in D-7, but finishes fourth in the Palomares and doesn’t make the playoffs, not even through an at-large because the field is filled, there goes one of your top-teams. Because there are several teams that will be in leagues much tougher than their playoff divisions, the playoff divisions could get watered down with the best teams possibly missing playoffs because they can’t get out of their tough league. Just saying, wait until we actually get to pairings today and the reaction of so many disappointed and upset people. That’s my prediction.

    • doctordoomore

      CIF might have to go to a 9 game regular season so that they can be like basketball and have a 32 team playoff bracket in order to avoid the problems that you have mentioned. Basically, everyone makes the playoffs.

    • Valley Athletics

      That is the same thing I was thinking . Diamond bar might not even make playoffs in a division they can win . Walnut is always in last place so it won’t matter where they are placed .

    • tanksolot

      Yikes! I didn’t think the current system was broke this bad.

  • DaTruth

    Salesian @ D4 with only 500 students… WOW!!!

    • vegemighty

      That’s a little misleading; it’s the equivalent of a 1,000 student co-ed school.

  • Aaron

    Leagues need to matter or they need to go. Under this system, leagues should be formed every year, otherwise what is the purpose. I could care about geographic proximity, but I’m not Fred. Neighborhood divisions meant watered down football. CIF is a joke, they need to release classifications for the next Academic year for all sports in January if they’re going to do this. Wigod and Martinez are robbing us all blind.

  • Desert Rat

    Wait so that was CIF’s official statement? Looks like it was penned by a 17 year-old……fools, smh!

  • vegemighty

    Were only seven divisions leaked, or did CIF-SS decide to cancel playoffs for the lesser divisions?

  • Desert Rat

    Been thinking about this…

    Some of these “proposed” alignments are geographically brutal. And I’m talking about extreme LONG bus rides given our beautiful freeways.

    Most of the divisions were paired well enough. Most needed minor tweaking. Not this garbage. Not sold on this move. Matter of fact, not sold on much of anything that comes out of the CIF-SS office these days.