Open Forum: Palin’s speech

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OPEN FORUM: What were your thoughts on Sarah Palin’s speech tonight at the Republican National Convention, and did it change your view of her? 

Personally, I was surprised at how entertaining it was, and even funny. I especially liked the joke about the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull. (Lipstick) And she certainly came out swinging, attacking Obama on everything from his views on the war to taxes to his inexperience, which is a theme we’ve been hearing the past week from Obama’s camp of Palin.

 

  • Anonymous

    Though I remain a strong supporter of the loyal opposition, credit should be given where credit is due. The Governor delivered an excellent speech and came across as a very likable, competent person. I don’t think anyone should have expected any less. Congratulations to you Governor Palin.

    I do beg your forgiveness in making one admittedly partisan point however: If the McCain-Palin ticket becomes the peoples choice in November, I do hope the Senator and the Governor will keep their promise to truly reform government. Sadly, Republican’s run terrific campaigns with brilliant partisan quips but struggle to provide effective responsive leadership once in office….When you think about the last two Republican coventions that preceded this one…how well executed they were…how witty the quips were…ask yourself this: Did you get the leaderhsip your were promised???

  • gilman

    Well we agree the Governor delivered an excellent speech. However, false promises certainly are not unique to the Republican party….the Democrats have given us their fair share of false hopes as well.

  • Taxpaper

    If economic prosperity in the 1990′s is “false hope”, I don’t wanna’ be right.

    I think the party in power (that would be the Republican Party) bears the greater burden of explaining to the American people why it is we should continue to trust them.

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome

  • gilman

    I think they all have a burden to explain and convince us to trust them….Republican and Democrat alike.

  • Anonymous

    The Governor showed she can hold her ground and made a few very good points in her speech. It would be very telling to see what she has vetoed as governor and mayor.

  • Little League Mom

    I’m still undecided. She seemed nice but I need to hear alot more John McCain.

  • Anonymous

    Nice? She said nothing substantive and was smug and disparaging while offering nothing to define herself or her running mate. She is perfect for the current political climate where all people care about is proper delivery of juvenile remarks. God save our country if we are so easily duped by these manufactured events.

  • Soccer Mom

    As I said when she was first picked, time will tell. The speech was great and she stood up for her family, herself and the country. Her points about Obama’s lack of experience were right on. They however also apply to her. One big difference, she is running for VP, Obama wants to run the country. I saw a toughness I liked. She surely is as qualified as Dan Quail, Al Gore, Spiro Agnew and Gerald Ford. We survived all of them and Ford even became President. Not sure you should ever vote based on the VP candidate, but I think in this case she held her own. And to top it off she has a sense of humor.

  • SGV Resident

    I thought she was funny too but funny ain’t going to save my job, put our kids through college or help save for retirement. I’m worried the joke may be on us.

  • Anonymous

    I know you took the photo of the television but sheesh could you have picked more aweful photo. She looks like she’s irradiated.

  • independent bob

    i know the theme was country first but the republicans seemed a little shrill the last two days. i thought they were going to move away from all that. anyway. I thought her speach was good but i still don’t know who i will vote for.

  • Anonymous

    I dont know if people were paying attention to when the camera pulled away and showed people who were in the audience? Looked like a bunch of young white anglo conservative group.

    Where their any hispanics attending this convention? Palin and McCain are not representative of me or my community either in philosophy or culture.

    My support is for really change and progress.

    OBAMA!

  • Anonymous

    It’s always the normal looking ones like her that turn out to be really scary policy-wise. i wait a little bit more before i decide who to cast my vote for.

  • Rita Rainey

    I was undecided until Gov. Palin’s speech. As a grandmother of a single mom with a special needs child…i KNOW she will be able to take on the challenges of our country and maintain the balance of “lipstick”….LOVED HER and as for me and my family,we will support her efforts in the following weeks and be proud to call her our new VP.

  • gilman

    “Looked like a bunch of young white anglo conservative(s)” ……hmmmmm. yep, just a bunch of old white guys with their young hottie gals (although I would swear I saw Bill Clinton chatting up a few of the women)

    Or maybe there were others there as well….like

    Dr. Elena Rios speaking on healthcare, or Tony Benegas representing Washington State or Chairman Pedro Celis of the Republican National Hispanic Assembly, or…….well you get the idea.

    Obama supporters seem content to characterize the opposition as nothing but a bunch of old white guys, but the truth is cf course much different.

  • SGV resident

    The title of this blog is “Leftovers from City Hall”. I guess Jennifer McLain is now covering city hall activities in Alaska, cause I don’t think Sarah Palin has been to the San Gabriel Valley yet. I find it interesting that there was not one blog started when Obama selected Biden as his running mate. I didn’t see a blog started regarding Biden’s background. I must have missed the blog asking about Biden’s acceptance speech. In less than a week, I have seen four blogs regarding Sarah Palin.

    What’s the deal Jennifer?

  • thejay

    gilman is right-on. The real truth isn’t a bunch of white males. The facts are that Obama refused to pick a VP that got 18 million votes and chose an older white male that got a few thousand and John McCain is quite popular with Hispanic voters.

    As for the speech: she did a very good job. There should be no whining about the shots that she took at the Democrats. She earned the right to take any shot she wants based on the horrible way she has been treated in the past week. The truth is that she didn’t take those shots because she was inexperienced or unknown, she took them because she was female. My proof: Hilary was treated exactly the same way during the primary season.

  • Little League Mom

    thejay:

    The irony is that many of those who bashed Hillary were Republican’s themselves…INCLUDING Governor Palin before she became a VP candidate. Republican’s were convinced Hillary would be the Democratic candidate and wratched-up their attack in anticipation of her nomination. There is AMPLE footage of Republican flaks talking about how Hillary was “hiding behind her apron strings” or how she was “whining about sexism in the campaign.” Alot of this came from Republican’s …..OH WHAT A DIFFERENCE A FEW WEEKS…AND CHANGED POLITICAL CIRCUMSTANCES CAN MAKE.

  • WC Resident

    The fact that the woman can read a teleprompter should not be surprising since she was once a sportscaster. The most important fact was that the speech was written by a former Bush speechwriter. The speech lacked substance and nothing about their platform, only attacks. In other words the typical Republican speech.

  • Arcadia Resident

    I don’t think the Governor should be underestimated…. AT ALL. She is sure to prove a VERY VERY formidable debator and should prove to be a very likable person on the campaign trail. Here’s the problem. None of that guarantees you an administration that will address your needs. Back in 2000, George Bush and Dick Cheney were found to be enormously charming, affable and likable. You remember: “the kind of guys you just wanted to sit down and have a beer with.”

    The promise of reform is one thing. Making good on that promise is quite another. Fool me once shame on you…fool me a third time….(you know the rest).

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvgov Jennifer McLain

    To SGV Resident,

    I always appreciate being called out.

    I’ve posted these blog entries about Sarah Palin because unlike Joe Biden, I knew nothing about who she is. And judging from comments I’ve read on this blog and on other news outlets, I’m not the only one.

    Yes, this has nothing to do with politics in San Gabriel Valley, but reaction from our readers on her are interesting and relevant nonetheless. We already have a forum to discuss politics in the SGV on this blog so why not extend it from time to time? (BTW: Some of our most popular entries have been about things like Moe the Chimp!)

    If it bothers more readers, I’ll pull back on my attempts to dabble in national politics. But judging from the comments, readers want to voice their opinions on this.

    Thanks again,
    Jennifer

  • Anonymous

    PEOPLE OF EARTH!!!! DO NOT FEAR MY TRANSLUCENT GLOW.

  • Resident

    AND NOW FOR THE UNBIASED REPUBLICAN PERSPECTIVE:

    Murphy, Noonan Blast Palin Choice

    Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:01 AM

    By: Newsmax Staff

    Oops! An open microphone caught Republican political strategist Mike Murphy and former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan trashing John McCain’s choice of Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.

    During a live MSNBC broadcast from the Republican National Convention, host Chuck Todd thought the coverage had moved to another report as he engaged in politcal banter with guests Murphy and Noonan.

    The blogosphere was abuzz with the recorded conversation late Wednesday as Palin took to the podium to accept her party’s vice-presidential nomination.

    Here’s the transcript:

    Peggy Noonan: Yeah.

    Mike Murphy: You know, because I come out of the blue swing state governor world: Engler, Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush. I mean, these guys this is how you win a Texas race, just run it up. And it’s not gonna work. And…

    Noonan: It’s over.

    Murphy: Still McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech to do himself some good.

    Todd: I also think the Palin pick is insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchinson, too.

    Noonan: Saw Kay this morning.

    Todd: Yeah, she’s never looked comfortable about this.

    Murphy: They’re all bummed out.

    Todd: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?

    Noonan: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this excuse me political bull**** about narratives…

    Todd: Yeah, they went to a narrative.

    Murphy: I totally agree.

    Noonan: Every time the Republicans do that, because that’s not where they live and it’s not what they’re good at, they blow it.

    Murphy: You know what’s really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical.

    Todd: This is cynical, and as you called it, gimmicky.

  • Anonymous

    I can not figure out how people can say her speach was good. It was just a lot of wise cracks, and they weren’t even delivered very well. She didn’t pause where she should have paused, and there didn’t seem to be anything spontaneous about the cheering. There was nothing unifying or inspiring about it, unless you were already committed to voting for McCain, anyway.

    She sure is good at playing the victim card, though: “Ooooh! People are attacking me just because I’m dangerously unqualified!”

  • http://westcovinawatcher.blogspot.com West Covina Watcher

    She’s window dressing, but a pretty good liar. Don’t take my word for it: Here’s an interesting piece from the Associated Press:

    ST. PAUL, Minn. – Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

    Some examples:

    PALIN: “I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending … and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress ‘thanks but no thanks’ for that Bridge to Nowhere.

    THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a “bridge to nowhere.”

    PALIN: “There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it’s easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform not even in the state senate.”

    THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

    PALIN: “The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars.”

    THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama’s plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain’s plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

    Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

    He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

    MCCAIN: “She’s been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America’s energy supply … She’s responsible for 20 percent of the nation’s energy supply. I’m entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America,” he said in an interview with ABC News’ Charles Gibson.

    THE FACTS: McCain’s phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she’s no more “responsible” for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state by population.

    MCCAIN: “She’s the commander of the Alaska National Guard. … She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities,” he said on ABC.

    THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under “federal status,” which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska’s national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

    FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin “got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States.”

    THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor’s election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

    FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: “We need change, all right change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin.”

    THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.

  • Anon

    When are people going to realize that the very nature of political conventions is to tear down the other party? Get over it. She’s running for VP. I thought her speech was good. She came across well to people in my family who didn’t know her name a week ago.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Anon: I don’t get your point – which seems to be. “Everybody lies at a convention so vote for McCain”….WHY? Because our lies, half-truths and false-truths are WHAT???….more ENTERTAINING????

    People don’t have a problem with the Governor because of what her personal background is….people have a problem with because despite that background she’s chosen to ally herself with interests that could care less about people just like her.

    Secondly, was it the McCain campaign itslef that outted her daughter. The media’s problem is not that its liberally, the media’s problem is that it favors SPECTACLE OVER SUBSTANCE and SENSATIONALISM or CIRCUMSPECTION…The Republican’s no doubt counted on that media enslaught that was sure to follow thereby turning the the Governor and her family in undeserved “media martyrs.” The aim: keep the media from scrutinizing how she actually governed and more specifically keep the media from paying attention to the fact that a man who voted with George Bush 90% of the time is at the top of the ticket promising you more of the same. Well played Karl Rove…well played.

  • thejay

    You liberals really bust me up. You are willing to detail out the VP’s speech, but aren’t concerned about the deception in Obama’s speech.

    Face it, Obama wasn’t the best choice for the Democrats and he didn’t choose the best VP candidate. Clinton was the obvious choice and a choice that would have guaranteed victory. The only thing that he has proven is that he can speak well and that he has questionable judgement.

  • Clintonista’s for Obama

    Dear thejay:

    Your shameless pandering to disappointed Clinton voters couldn’t be more transparent. Should we say that Huckabee, Romney, Guiliani and Thompson supporters are disaffected and disenfranchised because their first choice guys didn’t win….should we infer disunity in your party seeing as the deisres of these voters “where not met.”

    Your FAKE respect for Clinton and those who supported her couldn’t be more obvious and hypocritical seeing as your party has spent the last 16 years demonizing her and using her as rallying point for your WINGNUT BASE. Just consider some of the quotes from Republican strategists like Dick Morris and even from Governor Palin.

    I’ll give it to you: you all got your talking points faxes this morning (but guess what I get copies of YOUR talking points faxes too)

  • Soccer Mom

    Isn’t it kind if funny that someone commented that Republican’s were bashing Hillary when she was running? Yes they were, but I don’t recall her being bashed because she was a woman, a carpetbagger, a sexual enabler of her husband, for not raising her daughter right or for having no executive experience. Rather I remember Republicans bashing her views on healthcare, taxes, and the war. I think those are fair game. The bashing of Hillary was done by Obama and the press who love him. Clinton has a right to feel disrespected as do her followers. I’m pleased that Palin is willing to take on the press and Democrats who want to diminish her. I don’t expect Obama loyalists to even listen to her, but independents like me, be they men or women, may look at her as a real feminist that believes she can have it all. Odd that feminist I listened to in the ’70s and ’80s preached that mantra for years are now attacking Palin because she lives that dream and does it with style and grace. Attack away, those of us in the middle with an open mind view those attacks as proof Palin has hit a nerve in the country. They would be better served trying to define Obama as having any new original ideas. So far he sounds just like Kerry, Gore, Dukakis and Mondale and we know how those guys faired. Last thought, Obama, Biden and McCain are part of a congress run by Democrats that has an approval rating lower than George Bush. Sarah Palin has an 80% approval rating in her state. Quite a difference!

  • http://westcovinawatcher.blogspot.com West Covina Watcher

    You say “liberal” like its a bad thing.

    “Liberals” abolished child labor.

    “Liberals” got women the right to vote. Incidentally, if it weren’t for “liberals” we wouldn’t even have this conversation since Sarah Palin would be just a woman who lives in Alaska.

    “Liberals” pushed for the Violence Against Women Act (which McCain opposed, maybe because he’s the type of guy to call his wife a c*&t in front of reporters)

    The GOP used to be the Party of Lincoln, but modern-day “conservatives” degraded it to something at which the Framers would cringe, considering what “conservatives” did to their beloved Constitution– hijacking it and using it as toilet paper.

    For me to respect the GOP again, there would have to be a major overhaul — and that means running someone like Ron Paul as president. He is a true conservative who respects the Constitution, but instead, you morons go for a carbon copy of the least popular President in recent memory.

    Hey, thanks guys for making this one so damn easy.

  • Anonymous

    To “Soccor Mom”: So what you are basically saying is women who supported Hillary Clinton only voted for her because she was a woman? And therefore, these same women should now vote for McCain because his Vice-President is a womean. For a “WOMAN” you don’t give the members of your sex a whole lot of credit.

  • gilman

    “liberals” abolished child labor?….because they wanted to eliminate this unfair practice right…
    That would be a no, instead it was passed under FDR because children were taking the jobs that were needed for unemployed men because the economy was so dismal under his reign….

    “liberals” got women the right to vote….actually it was a redneck representative down in Tennessee who got women the right to vote. Teddy Roosevelt was the first president to actually push for Women’s right, but it came down to a state ratification, and then down to the State of Tennessee, and then down to a split vote with one sole representative breaking the tie….

    I am not sure I would give credit to “liberals” for these events, but regardless both parties have good and bad accomplishments. I agree that a major overhaul is needed…but of our entire political system. Until politicians actually enter a life of public service versus the career of making money off the backs of the public, we won’t see much change.

  • http://westcovinawatcher.blogspot.com West Covina Watcher

    Just like a conservative to take credit for the hard, back-breaking work of others. While technically a “red-neck” from Tenn. pushed suffrage through, it was only after the efforts of the “radical” Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and others like them. Let’s face it – if it weren’t for liberals, their protests, their cause, we’d still be sipping out of “white” and “colored” water fountains.

    By the way, the conservative Herbert Hoover was in office in the beginning of the Great Depression, and FDR pulled us out of it. FDR…a liberal.

  • Anonymous

    Didn’t women get the right to vote under administration of Woodrow Wilson – supported the 19th Amendment? (I’m no historian but that was several years after Teddy Roosevelt).

    gilman: you keep trying to cast yourself as a “non-partisan” indepedent yet you are a Consistent apologist for the ills of the Republican party….is there anything they haven’t done right in your estimataion?

    Are the morning “talking points faxes” telling you guys to “Claim to be independent so that you can gain people’s trust, then push the Republican party platform.”

  • gilman

    “just like a conservative to take credit for the hard, back-breaking work of others.”……while I am not sure you can accurately describe me as a conservative, I think you hit the point of my prior post -taking credit that may not be due. It seems the “liberals” would like to take credit for anything that is “good”, often important legislation is the result of much more than the efforts of just “liberals”.

    Yes, women received the right to vote while Wilson was President….as I mentioned, it was Teddy who became the first President to support it’s passage several years earlier. Regardless, it’s passage required State ratification…that is how Tennessee
    came into play.

    Sorry, but no one sends me any “talking point faxes”….I tend to form my own opinions. Lastly, there is a ton of crap the Republican party has not done “right”! Bush is living proof of that fact….however, that does mean Obama is the solution.

  • Anonymous

    What does Tennessee’s role in the ratification of 19th Amendment have to do with anything relating to John McCain…unless you telling me he was the one who cast the deciding vote…which wouldn’t be all that far-fetched given his age.

  • Taxpayer

    Teddy-Roosevelt and Women’s Suffrage? – Yes, just like a Republican to say they are in favor of something and back up their words by doing nothing about it.

    Some things never change.

  • Retired and still paying taxes

    Can’t say anything negative about race, but it is open season on disparaging remarks regarding sex and age. Last time I checked, all three were protected groups in the civil rights arena.

  • Anonymous

    Retired you are absolutely correct: No one should vote (or vote against) either group of candidates SOLELY on the basis of their: race, sex, age, religion (including percieved religion), ethnic origin, sexual orientation (I’m not pointing fingers) or the like.

    Those factors do not say anything about whether someone should or shold not be President or Vice President. So here goes:

    Democrats: Stop criticizing McCain’s age;

    Republicans: Stop impugning Obama’s relative youth and his name and stop spreading hateful rumors about his relgion -especially when those rumors imply that members of certain religions are not loyal to America.

    Both: EXPLAIN HOW…(AS IN PROVIDE DETAILS AND SPECIFICS)… HOW if you are elected issues concerning women or benefiting women will be addressed. No more gimmicks like “Hey, We’re the Party of Hillary” or “Hey Were the Party of Palin.” THOSE ARE NOT SPECIFICS THOSE ARE ONLY SLOGANS…..SLOGANS ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR TRUE LEADERSHIP OR VISION.

  • Soccer Mom

    Anonymous, you missed my point. It wasn’t to say that women are all dumb and thus should vote for just any woman. It was to say that Obama’s game plan is to treat all female candidates, be they Clinton or Palin, the same: with disrespect. Some of us women who are in the middle and think it would be nice to have a woman to represent our views, are likely to views Obama’s tactics as reason enough to not vote for him. If that means voting for Hillary in the primary and McCain/Palin in the general election, so be it. You have a lot of nerve calling out women who, when all is said and done, will not vote as a monolith, but spread our votes for both candidates. Haven’t seen the same complaints about African American voters who by a vast majority support Obama. Is it that they are so enlightened or could it be they support Obama because he too is Black? I dare you to call them out and say they don’t give their race a whole lot of credit. I double dare you. Or is it you, like Obama, would rather attack women????

  • American Skeptic

    Dear soccer Mom:

    1. When has Obama ever said anything disrespectful to women?

    2. Isn’t it true that it was the McCain campaign outted Palin’s daughter…not the Obama campaign.

    3. Despite the repeated insistance of pro-McCain flaks, when did anyone every allege Palin’s youngest son was actually her daughters son? I’ve scoured the internet and have yet to see even the slightest reference to this issue. Only after McCain outted her…and then insisted it was a private matter…and then demonstrated how private it was by puting the young girl front and center at the convention. I think this an example of a Republican urban myth.

    4. Republican’s have been the biggest attackers of Hillary Clinton not only because of their disagreement with her policies but as a woman. Dick Morris even questions whether Hillary’s womanly “mood swings” might make her unfit to command the nations military.

    SC if you are truly independent you make want to reconsider your choice.

  • Anonymous

    HERE’S TWO REPUBLICAN PUNDITS CAUGHT IN AN OFF AIR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VP PICK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg

  • gilman

    Yeah, those Republicans….they are always attacking poor Hillary because she is a woman. Their key operative, Dick Morris, has been particularly critical of her…..oh, wait….that’s right…Morris isn’t a Republican operative, instead he is a well known Democratic “hitman”. Wasn’t Morris employed by Mr. Clinton? Didn’t Morris have first hand contact with the Clintons including Hillary?

    So here is a key Democrat bashing Hillary….and it’s the Republican’s fault?

    But Obama didn’t criticize Palin, he was very polite in offering Palin congratulations…..from one of two private jets being used by his campaign and paid for by special interests……good to see that he is for change.

  • Soccer Mom

    American Skeptic, You use the term “outted Palin’s daughter” like the fact that she is pregnant was something she could choose to keep private, like someone being gay. I doubt the daughter of a governor could keep such a secret from her parents, McCane, the people of Alaska or the nation for long. Rather than “outted” they chose to consider the situation, agree it wasn’t the end of the world and move on. So where do all these rumors and attacks of Palin come from, Republicans? I think not! They come from the Obama campaign and their agents or should I say puppet masters like Move On. Aided by the press who would rather trash a teenager than ask Obama about his drug using past at the same age, it all seems rather clear who is behind all this. Finally, Dick Morris is a boob. True he was a Clinton guy who changed sides. He is about as honest as Aranna Huffington who was a conservative who changed sides and now is a big liberal. The reason for both is the same… to make money.

  • Anonymous

    gilman: Here is where you WRONG. Morris help Bill but he has ALWAYS been a REPUBLICAN operative. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT.

  • Anonymous

    gilman: Here is where you WRONG. Morris help Bill but he has ALWAYS been a REPUBLICAN operative. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT.

  • Anonymous

    Soccer: You still haven’t answered the question, WHAT WEBSITES POSTED NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE GOVERNOR’S CHILD BEFORE THE McCAIN CAMP OUTTED HER DAUGHTER??? (Show us the link)

    (HERE’S THE ANSWER: THERE WERE NONE….THE PREGNANCY CONTROVERSY WHETHER INTENDED OR NOT IS A WHOLEY FABRICATED CONTROVERSY INTEND TO GARNER UNDESERVED SYMPATHY FOR THE PALIN FAMILY.)

    SORRY GUYS IT JUST WON’T WORK THIS TIME.

  • Soccer Mom

    So the fact that no one attacked Palin’s daughter before her mom was selected as McCain’s running mate excuses the shameful comments and attacks once that selection was made? I don’t know if the Palin family had even announced their daughter’s condition. Once selected, they had to so as not to be accused of hiding it and then the attacks began. Kind of like Obama’s first statement on Palin calling her a small town mayor, omitting the fact she is a governor. That made it fair for Palin to respond by calling Obama a community organizer.

    If you want the truth about Obama just re-listen to the comments by Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden on his experience when they were being honest in the primaries. Sure glad those comments are on tape, I’m sure you’ll be seeing them during the campaign if you claim you don’t remember them.

  • Anonymous

    SOC: You’re still dodging the question. No one probably even knew she had a daughter..let alone that she had a pregnant before the story was issued by the McCain Campaign. Moreover, I don’t think anyone cares (I sure don’t). This story was INTENTIONALLY LEAKED because THEY NEW THE MEDIA…Not Democrats…would OBSESS OVER IT.

    Again, show me the link to the website or blog that indicates anyone gave a tinker’s damn about this story or about her daughter before the date of the McCain release.

    Furthermore, if this is such a PRIVATE issue what the hell are they doing flying the girl and her boyfriend to the convention…I’ll tell you why: TO GET VIEWERS.

  • gilman

    Dick Morris is a Republican operative…now that is funny…hahahahahahaha.

    Is that the same Dick Morris who began working for the Clintons back in 1978 when Bill was running for Governor? or is it the Dick Morris who spent most of the 90′s as one of Bill Clinton’s advisors? or is it the Dick Morris who was the campaign manager for Clinton in his 96 re-election bid?……..give me a break!

    Morris is exactly what is wrong with our system…he is a hired gun, a whore who will work for whomever pays the most….for many years that was Clinton.

  • Socceer Mom

    So if McCane’s campaign announces Palin’s daughter is pregnant they are doing it to get viewers? If Palin loves her daughter and doesn’t want to kill her boyfriend it is to get viewers? Guess you think sidestepping the issue is the same as answering it. We agree, before anyone knew Palin or that her daughter was pregnant who could have attacked her? I might ask you, who attacked Obama for Rev. Wright, this terrorist buddies or his drug use before he ran for President. Probably no one because no one cared about him then. The same is true of Palin. Read some of the liberal BLOG’s, the main street press and Hollywood types. Also, Why is it OK to question Palin’s ability to raise her family and not Joe Biden. He is so proud of riding the train home everynight to be with his kids since his wife died. Being VP might make that harder to do. Will that make him a bad dad? Or is that over the line because he is a man?

  • Hard working citizen

    I think is time to do our home work and vote for the party that have his best record at that particular time, the Republicans had a great oportunity to prove themselfs during the last 12 years and all you hear is corruption or the country is broke. If we act like adults and stop believing their false promises, we can make a better decision next November.

  • Anonymous

    SOC: Neither I nor anyone (outside of the television media) is particularly concerned about someone’s pregnant daughter. These things happen…big whoop…I hope the kid gets the support she know doubt needs.

    What is troubling is how the McCain camp is trying to FABRICATE a CONTROVERSY where there was NO CONTROVERSY. They knew the media would eat up the story….not because the media is liberal or biased but because the media is SHALLOW, SENSATIONALIST and EVER-HUNGRY for SPECTACLE AND SCANDAL (OR AT LEAST THE PERCEPTION OF SCANDAL).

    The Republican’s (especially Karl Rove) are intimately familiar with this HABIT of the TELEVISION MEDIA (ESPECIALLY THE CABLE NEWS MEDIA WHCIH IS CONTANTLY LOOK FOR ANYTHING TO CALL “BREAKING NEWS” IN ORDER TO GET VIEWERS) The Republicans played it skillfully. They knew the MEDIA would eat up the story and they new the COVERAGE ARCH would lead to interest in the VP pick and her speach. (It’s human nature to want to watch a train wreck or at least the potential for one). THEY ALSO KNEW THAT THE NARRATIVE ARCH for this story would be the perfect set up to claim Media Persecution which they would then try to package as persecution by liberals and in turn persecution by the Obama campaign.

    It’s a very very clever tactic but it won’t work because I think working people are pretty fed-up with the Republicans and pretty worried about the future of the country. McCain may be a nice guy but in order to get this nomination he’s had to betray alot of the positions that really made him a maverick…I suspect his VP pick is making the same Faustian deal.

    Better luck next time.