Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department vs. Your City Police Department

As Irwindale gears up for a meeting on Wednesday to follow-up a discussion about switching to the sheriff’s department, the recommendation has sparked quite a debate about the Irwindale police department.

One area I will be exploring is the the advantages of having the sheriff’s patrol your neighborhood versus a municipal police agency.

While there may be cost savings in contracting out with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, officials supporting municipal police agencies argue that cost savings may not be worth the loss of local control.

Open Forum: What are the advantages and disadvantages to a city having its own police department compared with contracting out to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department?

  • Anonymous

    Are you kidding me Jennifer McLain??? Can you let this go already…you must kove to read tabloids too!!!

  • Anonymous

    Are you kidding me Jennifer McLain??? Can you let this go already…you must love to read tabloids too!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Everything is on the table!

    It needs to be looked at! Add Glendora to the list. The Glendora Police Department makes up over 50% of the annual city budget! San Dimas seems to do just fine! Their crime stats are in line with surrounding cities with similar demographics.

  • Anonymous

    Ms. McLain, if you want detailed facts about contracting, contact the Sheriff’s Dept. Contract Law Bureau at Sheriff’s Headquarters.

  • Anonymous

    If you want detailed information about contracting with the Sheriff’s Dept, contact their Contract Law Bureau located at Sheriff’s Headquarters in Monterey Park.

  • Hernandez off his rocker

    Deal on Burned SUV Prompts Inquiry

    By Hector Becerra and Richard Winton
    November 01, 2005 in print edition B-1

    Prosecutors have launched an investigation of a West Covina city councilman who bought a cut-rate SUV, then voted in favor of a financial arrangement that benefited the dealer who sold it to him.

    The car in question was one of several damaged in August 2003 when environmental radicals set fire to some SUVs and painted slogans such as polluter on others in the San Gabriel Valley.

    Councilman Roger Hernandez put up less than $6,000 in cash, plus the trade-in of his old car, to buy one of the damaged SUVs, a charcoal gray 2004 Chevy Tahoe LS that could have sold for $35,000 undamaged.

    District attorney investigators served a search warrant last week at West Covina City Hall, the auto dealership and Hernandezs home.

    I opened the [garage] door, and here were a bunch of men looking through my garage, said Hernandez, 30, who denies any wrongdoing.

    Investigators, he said, showed him a copy of the search warrant affidavit, which stated they were looking for a partnership with the dealership that was improper.

    Prosecutors declined to comment on the case. But sources close to the investigation said officials were trying to determine whether Hernandez acted improperly by accepting the SUV at a discounted price while continuing to participate in city business involving the dealership.

    The dealership, Clippinger Chevrolet, was one of several hit by vandals during a night of attacks on SUVs across the San Gabriel Valley that was later linked to the radical environmental group Earth Liberation Front.

    Shortly after the attack, Hernandez was among a group of city leaders who toured Clippinger Chevrolet to assess the damage.

    Hernandez said he talked with Ziad Alhassen, president of Clippingers parent company, West Covina Motors, about the fate of the scorched cars. Some were 100% destroyed, Hernandez said, but others were only partially burned.

    I asked him what they were going to do with these partially burned vehicles, Hernandez said. He said that after being processed for insurance, they would be refurbished and sold at discount.

    Hernandez said he told Alhassen that he was interested in purchasing one of the damaged vehicles.

    Shortly afterward, Hernandez picked out a charcoal gray 2004 Chevy Tahoe LS.

    It had a stench. The vehicle always had a stench, the councilman said.

    The most obvious damage was to paint on the upper left side of the roof that had a sandpaper texture from fire damage, he said.

    Hernandez said he was quoted a price of about $23,000. He traded in his 1997 Toyota Land Cruiser for $17,000, he said. At the time, he also qualified for an unspecified manufacturers rebate.

    A year later, Hernandez voted with the council majority on a sales tax deal under which the city would give back up to $3.5 million for Clippinger to improve its dealership. Under the agreement, the dealership and the city would share in the profits after a certain sales threshold was met.

    About eight months ago, Hernandez said he traded in the Tahoe to a dealership in West Covina so he could buy a GMC Yukon. He said he got about the same amount that he paid to Clippinger Chevrolet $23,000 in that trade-in.

    I wanted a better car, and this one has XM [satellite] radio and [electronic location device] OnStar, and four wheel drive, Hernandez said. The Tahoe lacked a little power, and I wanted a little more power.

    Hernandez, who is studying for his masters degree in public administration from the University of La Verne and manages properties belonging to his parents, is not up for reelection until November 2007. But he said he believed the investigation indicated he was being set up by political enemies.

    I 100% believe this is politically motivated, he said. Its part of a whisper campaign by people whose projects I voted against, people who have reasons to be upset with me.

    Hernandez said there was no connection between his purchase of the Tahoe and the Clippinger vote, adding that he was confident he would be vindicated. Alhassen could not be reached for comment.

    Bob Stern, a political watchdog with the Los Angeles-based Center for Governmental Studies, said the case might boil down to whether Hernandez received preferential treatment from the dealership.

    The question here is what was the vehicle worth at the time he got it and did the official get a deal better than anyone else, he said.

    Councilman Steve Herfert, who voted against the $3.5 million potential sales tax payback to Alhassen in March, said he still believed the pact was a bad deal for the city.

    He said the deal forgave debt and then gave up to $350,000 of sales tax revenue back to Alhassen annually if he brought in more than $1.1 million in sales tax revenue for the city.

    It was a gift of public funds, Herfert said.

  • Anonymous

    WC Loser needs to stop listening to those voices in her head that keep telling her to post the same crud over and over. It makes HER look mental

  • Anonymous

    FOR STARTERS YOU DOON’T HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THE LIABILITY WHEN THE COPS SCREW UP.

  • Anonymous

    Just a couple of law suits by residents can clean out a city’s liability funds. That’s what happened in El Monte. Learn from them. They are going down the drain faster than a locomotive. Bring in the Sheriffs. There is no other choice.

  • also anonymous

    Opponents of the Sheriff’s Department usually claim there is a lack of local involvement and that the Sheriff is not respectful of residents nor involved in the various neighborhood issues.

    I reside in San Dimas and find these claims to be false. The Sheriff Department does a good job, stays involved with the community and interacts well with the residents.

    Food for thought.

  • Anonymous

    I live in Rosemead and find that the Sheriffs have done a great job. I have lived here all my life. They have been very responsive and polite as any law enforcement person can be.you will do just fine with the Sheriff. They also get backed up by other local sheriff stations. That is even better.

  • Anonymous

    We haven’t had any complaints against the SHERIFF’S. They have been in our city and keep our city secure. Pico Rivera’s deputies work hard.

  • Anonymous

    The Sheriff’s have done a great job for us in Temple City. I recommend everyone try it.

  • James Hunley

    Having the sheriffs department patrolling Irwindale would be a much needed change to stop the coruption in the Irwindale Police department. Every one knows Breceda has control of the police department. He even admitted to that fact in a state of the city address. I can easily recall numerious times that he has interveined in police business. Former Council member Rosemary Ramerez assulted her husband and Breceda ordered the police to take the cuffs off of her. No domestic violence charges were filed. Coruption, Former Council Member Ramerez’s son was involved with a hit and run. The police tracked him home and found him hiding in his room. According to his my space page. Breceda was called once again and no charges were filed. Coruption. I have been told recently that Breceda’s male live in was stopped for drunk driveing and escorted home with out arrest or impound. coruption, Breceda and his cronies appointed his cousin Jason Hickman as hearing officer, Coruption Every one knows Irwindale is a corupt city. Even though Irwindale has some upstanding police officers there are those few that are corupt officers. The base pay for Irwindale police officers is 65,000 dollars But there are quite a few hauling home 200,000 dollars a year in salaries. Sounds like if you do what Breceda wants you will be well compensated, with public funds that is. I welcome the sheriffs for one reason, Stop the coruption. The sheriffs wil protect our lives and liberties. They do it all over L A County. I will let you know if Irwindale Police retaliates for me exercising my free speach.

  • James Hunley

    Having the sheriffs department patrolling Irwindale would be a much needed change to stop the coruption in the Irwindale Police department. Every one knows Breceda has control of the police department. He even admitted to that fact in a state of the city address. I can easily recall numerious times that he has interveined in police business. Former Council member Rosemary Ramerez assulted her husband and Breceda ordered the police to take the cuffs off of her. No domestic violence gharges were filed. Coruption, Former Council Member Ramerez’s son was involved with a hit and run. The police tracked him home and found him hiding in his room. According to his my space page. Breceda was called once again and no charges were filed. Coruption. I have been told recently that Breceda’s male live in was stopped for drunk driveing and escorted home with out arrest or impound. coruption, Breceda and his cronies appointed his cousin Jason Hickman as hearing officer, Coruption Every one knows Irwindale is a corupt city. Even though Irwindale has some upstanding police officers there are those few that are corupt officers. The base pay for Irwindale police officers is 65,000 dollars But there are quite a few hauling home 200,000 dollars a year in salaries. Sounds like if you do what Breceda wants you will be well compensated, with public funds that is. I welcome the sheriffs for one reason, Stop the coruption. The sheriffs wil protect our lives and liberties. They do it all over L A County.

  • James Hunley

    Keep up the good work Jennifer McLain.

  • Anonymouse

    James Hunley is the pimple on the @$$ of society

  • Anonymous

    We who live in Irwindale know about Becerra’s life style. Why do you think that he such close friends with Manuel Lozano of Balfwin Park? “those gay young men.” Both police departments cover up all “their crap.” They know good and well who signs their checks. Irwindale is just like El Monte. Police run cities and corruption run side by side. We as residents are well aware of the corruption and political little games. If you don’t play their way you are out of office and your family and friends are herassed. SHERIFF’S stay out of the cities crap and stupit games. Start a new. It would be better for us all in the end.

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately for a lot of small to medium sized cities the promise of “local control” over the police departments distorted into “political control” by police unions who stop at nothing to get their way, no matter how extravgant or unreasonable.

    The worst is that the police unions’ paid political consultants and union lawyers(on firm in particular)keep trying to get cities into bidding wars over salaries and benefits that only result in the artificial inflation of salaries and benefits beyond what small and medium sized cities can really afford.

    The unions go to City A and say if you don’t capitulate to EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR DEMANDS all your officers will go to City B. Then they go to City B and tell that if they don’t do the say, all the officers will go to City A.

    IT’S A GAME PEOPLE. AS SOON AS WE START HAVING THE STOMACH TO SAY “NO” THIS NONSENSE WILL STOP.

    What’s especially troubling is the dirty tricks the unions we’ll use to intimidate councils into doing THEIR bidding, not THE PEOPLE’S BIDDING.

  • Anonymous

    Irwindale is so corrupt time for change and that includes the city leaders oops maybe I should have said something bedsides leaders. gotta keep it clean

  • Tax Payer

    We pay our taxes no matter what. The city uses our money for fire, police and services for the residents. We trust the city council to use the money wisely. It is up to them to balance the cities budget and keep it going. If the police won’t help out, then they need to else where. Either way protection must be provided. If that means bringing in the LA County Sherrif’s Department, then bring them in. Get the budget balanced and let’s get on with our lives.

  • elmenenope

    San Dimas is doing just fine with the Sherrif.

  • WOW !!

    Mr. Tax Payer I’m sure the City will use the money wisely, just like they did with the Raider deal. However, this time the money will go right to LA County. How soon we forget.

  • WOW!!

    Mr. tax payer what do you think the sheriff Dept. is going to put a sub-station in Irwindale. Come on, fat chance. You will get what you pay for. Irwindale will be thrown in with Temple City or Industry with no extra officers. No station in Irwindale that’s for sure. As far as San Diamas is concern, they don’t have the gang infested cities like Baldwin Park, El Monte, Duarte and Azusa surrounding them. Buy yourself a scanner and see what is actually surrounding your city and then come back and post a responce.

  • Anonymous

    They Sheriff can use the current station that the police currently use. That will bring down the cost.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. WOW, if you knew what you were talking about you would know that San Dimas Sheriff’s Station patrols the unincorporated area of Azusa, so yea, they do deal with gangs. Also, there is the possibility of the Sheriff using Irwindale’s current station as a sub-station. That is one of the issues they decide in the contract.

  • WOW

    Mr. Taxpayer you need to lay off the bananas before going to bed, because youre having some dreams that are very unrealistic. First, Irwindale and San Dimas are completely different. Irwindale is 10 sq. miles with the Santa Fe Dam taking 7 of those miles and has a registered population of 300. San Dimas on the other hand has 15.5 sq. miles with a registered population of 35,850. Irwindale is surrounded by bad areas (El Monte, Baldwin Park, Duarte and Azusa), while San Dimas is surrounded by $500K to $600k homes. So please dont compare the two. The old time country western Sheriff Department may work for San Dimas, but does not mean it would work for Irwindale. You mentioned that the Sheriff Department covers parts of the unincorporated areas of Azusa, thus justifying their knowledge of gangs. Wow!! You must know a lot about what the sheriffs are proficient on, seeing that youre basing your assessment on the fact that they cover an unincorporated area. As for them putting a Sub-station in the police facility………………SlapSlapSlapWAKE UP MR. TAXPAYER YOUR DREAMING AGAIN!!

  • mrs tax payer and lifelong resident of Irwindale

    To James Hunley everyone with a brain knows you did not write the blog about corruption. First of all you cannot and we bloggers know you cannot spell. what a difference from the blogs you wrote before. Full of mispelled words and idiotic ramblings, then on june 5,you write a blog and it’s as though you went back to 5th grade and learned somewhat to spell better. You did not write this blog. We all know WHO is behind you and what reward are you getting for this? You are not a resident, so butt out!

  • anonymous

    To James Hunley, Since your last blog you must have taken a speedwriting and spelling course. The blog you wrote on june 5th is so different from your blog from before. A very different person wrote your lastest blog. You really make yourself look ignorant, you should let the other person or persons write your blogs from now on. Not that anybody cares about your opinion.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. WOW, I do know what I’m talking about. I agree that the cities of Irwindale and San Dimas are different, my point is that San Dimas Sheriff’s deal with gangs just like Irwindale PD or any other local agency. Whether or not the city of Irwindale would have a Sheriff’s “sub-station” at the current police station is up to the city and how they work out a contract with the Sheriff, if the city even goes that far.

  • Anonymous

    To anonymous, Have you been living in a far away land. Gangs in Irwindale? Never in our wildest imagination. There are not any gangs in Irwindale.

  • Anonymous

    They need to do that in San Gabriel as soon as possible!! San Gabriel Police love to trespass on your property without permission and say “they can do what ever they like because they wear the badge and I don’t”..I am tired of this police department and their brutality and violations of my civil rights! I hope someone sues them and exposes them for who they REALLY are!

  • Anonymous

    They need to do that in San Gabriel as soon as possible!! San Gabriel Police love to trespass on your property without permission and say “they can do what ever they like because they wear the badge and I don’t”..I am tired of this police department and their brutality and violations of my civil rights! I hope someone sues them and exposes them for who they REALLY are!

  • http://www.tulelakenewelltimes.com/ James Garland Publisher of TNT

    We have the same problem in Tulelake, where the Chief of Police thinks he is God!

    Enough already it is a time for a change to the Sheriff’s Department or maybe a combination of Siskiyou Sheriffs and Modoc Marshals.

    Both Tulelake and Newell are at the far ends of both counties and combine other programs. Why not do the same with the Sheriffs and Marshals?

    That’s one of the reasons why I am sworn in candidate for the Tulelake City Council.

    A vote for James is a vote for change!

    James Garland
    Publisher and Editor of TNT
    http://www.tulelakenewelltimes.com/