Bill Russell (front left) joins Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown and Lew Alcindor in an historic meeting on June 4, 1967, to hear Ali (formerly Cassius Clay) give his reasons for rejecting the U.S. military draft.
An excerpt from former NFL great Jim Brown, and former NBA great Bill Russell, as they discuss things with Bryant Gumbel in the next episode (and 147th edition) of “Real Sports” (tonight, 10 p.m., HBO):
On whether Brown, a longtime social activist, is surprised or disappointed in the lack of activism among today’s top athletes:
“There are one or two individuals in this country that are black that have been put in front of us as an example. But they’re basically under a system that says, ‘Hey, they’re not gonna do a certain thing.’ Yes, that disappoints me because I know they both know better.”
Gumbel: “Tiger (Woods) and Michael (Jordan)?”
Brown: “Yeah, I know they both know better, OK. And I know they both can do better without hurting themselves.”
Brown on Woods:
“You know what’s so interesting about Tiger to me? If it was just a matter of me looking at an individual that’s a monster competitor, this cat is a mamajama, he is a killer. He’ll run over you, he’ll kick your ass, but as an individual for social change, or any of that kind of s*** Terrible. Terrible. Because he can get away with teaching kids to play golf, and that’s his contribution. And in the real world, man, I can’t teach no kids to play golf and that’s my contribution, if I got that kind of power.”
Russell: “We’re losing a whole generation of kids. And, I for one, would not give up on them. And Jim will not give up on them because we know that when we were kids, there were certain influences that made our lives livable.”
Gumbel: “Why did you choose to get so intimately involved with helping young black men who were engaged in gang warfare?”
Brown: “Because simply, it’s the most devastating culture to come along that affect black people in a long time. How can we act like we don’t see young black men killing each other? Rome is burning and so there can be no education, there can be no economic development, there can be no family structure. There can be nothing as long as we allow this particular culture to exist.”