We didn't realize the laughs and giggles that would come from the stories of gambling -- which is what got Rose in trouble in the first place and to this day keeps him from the Hall of Fame.

Rose told Miller a story about how he had been talking to former teammate Tony Perez recently ("and I still can't understand him," he said) when he segued into a yarn about how players tried to make extra cash back in the '70s.

Rose talked about how the Reds moved from Crosley Field to Riverfront Stadium in mid-season that year, which was kind of crazy. But Rose had an idea.

"I bet Tony Perez $150 that I'd be the first player to sh-t at Riverfront," Rose said, getting a surprised laugh from the audience -- not so much about the nature of the bet, but that he was admitting to making a bet long before he was denying that he made bets.

Miller now has his head on the desk laughing.

"We had a 7:30 (p.m.) game. I got to the ballpark at 11 a.m. I beat him by 10 minutes," says Rose, holding up both hands to expose 10 fingers, in case the audience needed a visual aid. "I got the money!"
(Maybe Rose thought he was on HBO ... Versus bleeped the key element of that bet, not because of ethical standards, but for some fear of the FCC, which they don't need to do since they already said the show was rated TV-14 at the start of the program).

Later, comedian Norm MacDonald came on -- one of Miller's former "Saturday Night Live" buddies -- and suddenly brought his own gambling problem.
"It was a huge problem," he said, causing the audience to vary between a laugh and a cry.
MacDonald said his worst bet ever came in the 1999 National League championship series when Atlanta was facing the New York Mets. Normy Mac said he bet on the over -- 7 1/2 runs.
"Who was on the hill?" Miller asked.
MacDonald went silent.
"I don't usually follow that," he said.
"That might play into the result," Miller said.
At the end of 9 innings, it was 2-2. MacDonald knew he was in trouble.
In the 15th, it's now 3-3. And Robin Ventura is up for the Mets with the bases loaded.
"And I'm in deep trouble," MacDonald says. "If he hits a single, one runs scores, and I lose."
Ventura, for those who remember, hit a grand slam. So MacDonald wins, right?
Remember how that game ended? Mets catcher Todd Pratt met Ventura rounding first, began a celebration, and Bob Costas told the audience that only one run would count, so it was a 4-3 decision. Seven runs. Not 10.
"That was my birthday, I remember, October 17, 1999, my 36th birthday," MacDonald lamented.
"So that was it, time to quit, right," said Miller, hoping for a stoic ending.
"Naw, I didn't quit then," said MacDonald. "But I did go to Gamblers Anonymous once. What a bunch of losers."

It reminds me back as a kid watching that episode of "The Flintstones," where Fred had a gambling problem. And whenever someone made a bet with him, Fred's eyes would glaze over and he'd start sounding like a cackling bird, saying, "Bet, bet, bet ... betbetbetbetbetBETBETBET!" And he'd go on a gambling binge.
Kind of like back in the early Flintstone days, when he and Barney would -- seriously -- do ads for Winston cigarettes.
Oh, so funny. Teaching kids the hilarity associated with gambling and smoking with the aid of revered cartoon characters.
Yabba-dabba-don't.