The problem is the most Section playoffs last four weeks, and that is after a ten week season. Now you are sushing into Christmas Vacation and smaller schools do rely on some football players on their basketball teams (yes, there still are few two or three sport HS athletes).

The state could have state playoffs, but I bet that many fewer team would be allowed in the Section Playoffs, especially in the Southern Section.

Remember, the CIF-Souther Section, has over 500 schools and is bigger than many states, just by itself.

SdJo-

That 10th grader # 44 is the real deal!

Also, good linbackers!

Keep working hard!

sd jo- Like the energy and fight of the defense. You guys swarm to the ball and put hits on the runners. Great WR Jon Joseph, great kid hard worker and one hell on a basketball player. Would have accomplished more if the guards had any sense other than to make themselves look good. Whatever happened to team play. Seen him as a Soph. and he just deferred to the seniors and juniors, but last year was aweful. Your coach has his team going in the right direction. Good Luck. List is closed by the way..life's too short.

Lets remember the Rebock Bowl. This was not a hand picked game as being set up today. It was a game between the Southern Section D1 Champions and the City Section Champions. The hand picking of certain teams is rediculous if you are going to do this. Can we say, who has more support from CIF, that is what it looks like.

We need to set up a better way of deciding the teams to play. If all the Schools agree to play an additional game, which seems unlikely, we need to have a way of deciding the participants and not off what you did last uear or who in CIF do you know.

And the schools are right the season is long enough, what will another game do for your program. I hear that when a school goes to a state championship in basketball, the expences are barely covered by CIF. All the money goes to CIF and nothing goes to the schools, this needs to be changed.

This is a debate that will never end.

dhs
cold blooded as usual. give me a head's up if i ever get on your turd list! yikes!well the truth hurts sometimes. wonederin if you've seen our team. what do you think about our star receiver and new head coach? go ahead i can handle it. peace

IIRC, the "BCS" system is essentially the freeman ratings scores that Calpreps.com uses. Check their numbers from past years if you want to see how that works out.

What happened to the BCS "type" computer system that I heard that they were going to use in determining these games?
If this "commissioner" system is true, then yes our(SGV)teams may well be screwed, and that sucks because while we may not have "football farms", this pint sized valley does manage to bring home hardware every season, sometimes in two or three divisions. And despite what ANYONE says we do have SOME very good teams that can play with anyone.

p.s. An annual Reebok Bowl would have been a joke. No offense to anyone, but the city section is an embarrasment. It is extremely predictable, because it boasts three very good OR great teams, two good teams, and everyone else is J.V. level at best.

One last thing! What is it with these Muscle Heads (you know who you are)that always reduce insight for weakness, clarity for complaining and common sense for uncommon ground? Is it any wonder most good coaches leave coaching? Maybe that's why, Aram ,coaches say,"they want to be with their families" or "I just think I need a break" and then end up coaching somewhere else. Maybe they just need to get away from Planet Myopia and don't want to burn any bridges when they leave. I know you asked this question before but this topic brings myopia to light! I coached for twenty years and left it, I officially retired this year, because parents don't want the truth they want results, opps, results that favor THEM ! Not the TEAM but Them! When I was told SGV Tribune was running a blog I quipped, " Maybe they should color code the Blog sites, Blue( know the game at the Xs and Os level), Green (Played sandlot or at the park without helmets or Refs), Yellow ( Seen alot of games in person, at home or on TV), Red (Just woulda, coulda, shoulda played but....fill in the blank)and White ( Just being supportive because I love ...fill in the blank) I know it seems silly but- Hey it works for the President! So all you haters and whispering nanas, and you KNOW who you are, ask yourself this, "AM I WRONG?"

Okay Jerry, we hear you and apparently you don't hear "us". It doesn't matter to the kids! When powers warrant a "Clash of Titans" De La Salle will come down here, or us there, and within the 12-13 game schedule it's settled! Ask LB Poly, Bishop Amat, Mater Dei, even Mission Viejo. They want a bite of the big dog they got it. Props to DLS for stepping up! What can you say, Blu, Aram when Jerry reduces High School football to the Ultimate Fighting Championships (UFC) well it just smells bad!

Remember, this is a 2-year trial run by CIF. Then, a decision will be made whether to keep these games.
I had a CIF representative specifically tell me that he hates the idea of the games. I agree. It's pure over saturation. Plus, I don't think the schools who play in it make a dime. From what I recall, only CIF profits from the TV and gate. I don't know if anybody knows this, but attendcance at HS sporting events has been falling. CIF's upper brass has really been sweating this and they think these games are a way to make up for it. I think they want to have these mega events more in the future since the week to week stuff isn't cutting it. Not 100-percent sure, but I think that's how it is.

Quit crying about the commissioners, judges or whomever! The system is what it is!

Deal with it and move on!

bluorca....I will try and shed some additional light on the so called "state championship". From what I understand, the "commissioners" of the respective sections all get to vote on whom will be selected to participate in the 3 games. They will not utilize polls as one of the factors. They will utilize a couple of different criteria. First, you must be a section champion, second they will look at strength of schedule and third your won loss record. With that said a team such as Loyola whom won the title last year probably would not have been selected because their losses would not have been quality losses.

Living in San Jose, CA, we feel the same way some of you feel about the SGV. Our West Catholic League reminds me a great deal of the old Angelus League that I grew up playing in and watching for a number of years before it was dismantled. However, it does not get the recognition that it deserves. Therefore, the only program in the bay area that gets respect, and rightfully so, is De La Salle. The problem is that De La Salle is the only team that would even be considered from the entire bay area. (valley christian is on the rise.)

Needless to say, if you want to know how to run a state championship it only take the powers that be to take a short trip to state of Texas. Their state is just as big as CA and yet they are able to put on a championship each and every year. They run a tournament format and end up with 12 state champions. I know what some of you are thinking but hey, it is better then 3 "questionable" state champs.

By the way, De La Salle is leaning toward a "NO" vote on the game for the very same reasons Loyola stated. Good luck getting the state championship off the ground with no DLS.

DHS Dad seems to have a very good perspective - I think that it's Jerry Smith that "doesn't get it.

This is the same reason that the entire Southern Section did not participate in the State Basketball playoffs for years - and Mater Dei led that charge !

DHS DADDY- you just don't get it!

I understand what your getting at, but you or I are not going to change it. Big bucks are assoicated with sports and we can only tell our kids to work hard and do your best! Look how messed up the BCS rating system is!

Life isn't always fair or right, but the APPROACH and statements made by ODonnell were completely wrong and unprofessional. It's not a "Meaningless Game" for any kid to play in it, rather an great experience for the chosen few whoever it may be! Ask any kid who truly loves football and results would be overwhelming!

Jerry Jerry Jerry, once in a lifetme? Really whose life time? YOURS? Loyola is "The Harvard and Duke of high schools" excellence in and out of the classroom. Here's a tip--- go to their website and see for yourself. When my son applied 980 "good" students applied for admission and only 270 were accepted! Remember only the brightest students from all over the county apply knowing how difficult it is to get in. At our grammar school only two students apllied in 5 years! Both got in , one has two CIF Football Championship rings and plays for Chapman College (he was a 3rd stringer), the other went to Damien and decided to Debate for the school's nationally ranked team. Ever notice how many championships Loyola wins in other sports as well. Or the student profiles that the LA Times annually runs on students that excel in sports and are going to Ivy league schools. Wait Jerry that sounds like your perspective flushing itself down the toilet!

The sad thing is Jerry, the teams that are chosen to play in these games are hand picked by a bunch of commissioners (whatever that is!). There is no state playoff bracket and it would be impossible to devise one. I know for a fact that these games will be televised as well. So what rules TV? Ratings do! And you can bet your socks that the CIF knows this and will choose the more popular teams that can draw bigger crowds over smaller ones just for TV ratings! In other words, a team like Los Altos can bust their butts for 4 long months, go undefeated, win their conference championship, and then still miss out on this "once in a lifetime" event because the CIF commissioners, NOT THE MERITS OF THE PLAYERS, have decided that Los Altos does not draw as big as a crowd as a school like Mission Viejo or Helix High (San Diego school attended by THE Reggie Bush). And the CIF would be right! Los Altos had trouble filling up their own side of the stadium at the big South Hills game. Of course, these commissioners would never admit that. They would simply state that Mission Viejo was more qualified and skilled to play againts Concord De La Salle. I KNOW that a Mission Viego/La Salle game would probably attract about 20,000+ people. Each ticket sold at this event would be at least $10/person. You dont have to do the math to see the awesome revenues that these extra games will bring to the CIF. Do you see what I'm getting at?
Loyola high school is the epitome of excellence not only in academics but in football as well. Anyone familiar with Loyola knows that this school has extensive ties to Div 1 universities as well as the NFL. Loyola High IS high school football people...and if the athletic director from Loyola is opting out of these extra games it is for a damn good reason. Please feel free to correct me on anything I have written in these last two posts. I do not have all the details of these 3 championship games and I would appreciate reading more input from others...

This is truly a sad decision for the players, coaches and families, not to mention the poor choice of words by an athletic director.

What a motivating statement " It's a meaningless game". Granted academics is a key role in life, but STEP UP ODonnell and make it work. This guy is a joke and embrassment to all student/athletes.

If a team works so hard for four months, and gets a chance to participate in a life time experience, then they truly deserve the reward.

It does not surprise me that Loyola is choosing not to participate in the games. The last time something like this came up was 1992. The C.I.F. thought that it would be a good idea to pit the Southern Section Div.1 champ againts the LA City Section 5A champ. It was called the "Reebok Bowl" and it had many opponents including Loyola and Bishop Amat who both reluctantly agreed to participate in this event. Both Loyola and Amat stated back then that the extra game made the season too long, interfered with academic schedules, and was unnecessary. Let us not forget that these schools are known and respected for the quality of academics offered and not just sports. The Reebok Bowl did happen though and the funny thing is that Bishop Amat was the school that ended up playing in it defeating Sylmar High 31-10 and in doing so became the Champions of the Universe! Of course it helped that Amat had a couple of guys by the names of Daylon McCutcheon and Rodney Sermons who were completely unstoppable.
There were so many schools that did NOT like this extra championship game that it never happened again. The City Section was the most vocal after the Reebok Bowl because their best team ,who was undefeated and killing everyone in the City Section, got hammered by Amat. The City Section concluded that the Southern Section had too many advantages over the City Section such as an earlier season start, bigger schools, more $$$ for football programs, etc) Because of these "advantages" they believed that the City Section would continually lose to the Southern Section team. And you know what peeps?...They would have been right. Southern Section teams have continually owned the City Section in the vast majority of past intersectional meetings.
What I want to know is how only 6 schools total out of the entire state of California are chosen to play in these games. Am I understanding this correctly? How can that possibly be fair to everyone? Who are these "judges" and by what system are they comparing teams? I hope it has nothing to do with polls because high school polls at the state and national levels are usually complete B.S. I can totally see SGV teams getting the shaft in this deal. Would these CIF experts choose Los Altos, West Covina, or Glendora over Mission Viejo, Valencia, or St. Bonaventure? I think it would be safe to assume that 9 years out of ten these CIF "experts" would choose the later group. And these are just the schools in the Southern Section. What about the Central, LA City, or the San Diego Section who boast their own football farms that most of you probably have never even heard of? It is just wrong and completely unfair if the participating teams are chosen by their reputation. California is just too huge to have a genuine state championship game. At the end of it all there will be 3 Champs all hand picked by God knows who/what. All 3 will be holding up their "we're #1" fingers and at least a couple of dozen other schools will be infuriated because they won their conference but were not chosen to participate in this gimmick to make more money for the CIF. And thats what this is folks. This, like the Reebok Bowl, is an attempt to not only create 3 high profile high school super bowl games but also to prolong the football season because no other sport generates the same amount of $$$ as football does. In other words, THEY will choose the participating schools according to how much $$$ the schools can generate (attendance, concessions, parking, etc) And what schools have the ability to do all these things and maximize profit? Why its the schools that have the biggest reputation for high school ball which are the football farms of course! Sorry SGV but you have no football farms and because of this, you might have to wait years for ONE SGV team to play for the "state championship." Pretty crappy huh?
Because I think it's impossible for California to have a genuine state champion, I too think that these extra games are completely meaningless as well. With Loyola leading the way, I have a feeling we will be hearing of more high schools doing the same thing if not this year then next. I wonder what Amat will do....

Those morons! (tongue firmly in cheek) are they really more interested in the welfare of the player's education than in proving who's #1!?? Now you're going to tell me "IT'S ONLY A GAME!" Aram help me here...Aram? (sound of crickets)