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Benny I agree,
El Dorado would be a good fit in the inland div.

Panther Pride 06' - Thanks , that is a very fair assessment. We have had a great year so far, our best in Football in school history, but I agree we are still behind those schools. I think we could compete with the top Inland Div. schools but still need some work to compete in the Pac5

Benny,
Thank you. El Do was a solid team, but not as good as Servite or Edison. I originally said that they were probably #2, but after really thinking about it, I would say more like #4.
#1 - Oaks Christian (no explanation needed)
#2 - Edison (good overall team)
#3 - Servite (#2 if Shoemate was healthy)
#4 - El Dorado (made almost no mistakes)
#5 - Chino Hills

Panther Pride 06' - You presented some well thought out comments regarding Oaks Christian. Kudos! I have a question for you. If you had to rank your pre-season opponents and El Dorado where would the Hawks rate? I would be interested in your opinion.

Bleeds B&G (budweiser and grass)....Geeze Otis from Mayberry get you writing and language skills in order....After you sober up read that last comment you wrote, you are all over the place showing why guys like you know nothing about HS football.......just like to take shots at others to make themselfs feel important...you dont even know Daylon or Kory (get the spelling right menso).......keep badwagoning pal we dont need clueless so called football geniuses like you following Amat.....now get back to your 40 and filterless camels and dont get caught running out on the field tonite during the game to argue a call........Amat will always stand in the highest when it come to football and tradition.....Please dont drive tonite!.

Hey Panther Pride...so were the Sheffield, Matsui, Rodriquez, Jeter, Williams, Damon. Ramirez, ect.ect.ect,.Yankees the last couple of years! Zero rings!

In the almighty words of Herman Edwards "That's why...... THEY PLAY THE GAME!!!"

No one's "giving" them the trophy. They got to earn it like everyone else...even if they had to bend every arm in CIF to do it! One game at a time.

I love how everyone can say all of these things about Oaks Christian because they've seen them on TV once or twice. They're over-rated, they couldn't hang against the big schools, and so on. Well we (Diamond Ranch) played OC, Servite, and Edison this year, and I would say that OC was by far the best of the three. Like their coach openly admits, this is a once in a lifetime team. I'm not talking about tradition or over the long haul, I'm talking about the 2006 season and that OC team is loaded. They got dealt a blow when Tyler broke his leg a couple of weeks ago, but how many other teams can have a guy going to USC go down and hardly blink because they have another guy going to SC take over? None that I can think of. Losing a top recruit in the nation would cripple most other programs, but they just moved Marshall Jones from WR to RB and kept going. They probably won't even get talked about next year, but for now, don't kid yourselves about them being over-rated. This team is the real deal.

Blu ...GOES YARD!!!!!

Do Orcas like Pizza?

I know they love Amat!

You in?

someone's drunk again...

The only imposters here are those who believe the Amat program is fine, its not and where is your authority and facts and figures you use to make childish statements, hey chico I remember watching the greats at amat play and was over thirty when I did.

Like I said a few weeks ago ask Daylin or Cory and they will tell you its not the same program nowadays, if you want to get serious answer my last statement chump, thats why you are a chumop and a pig nut you wont answer the tough questions you make personal attacks.

My offer still stands out there porky ive got at least 300 bones that says you dont know #@#* about footbal and how to call them.

Amat does and should play in DI its set a standard and they are the ones who started the standard dont blame others for what the previous admin started just because this one doesnt have the courage or hart to continue, by the way when is the meeting with the admin to give them our request, oh I forgot they are like jack F.M. they dont do request they do what they want.

By the way the coaching staff knows it doesnt have the talent or the offensive and defensive lines to play at that level.

The difference between me and you fuss nuts is if im wrong ill man up to it, but when im wright im dam right. Im still happy for the 3 valley teams that are playing for thier own history this weekend, and praying they kick some a**, this is my valley and im proud dam proud.

P.S. there are homes for rent next to eldorado and redlands high and me and about a couple hundred others will help pack your trinkets.

To "Come on dan"
I didn't say or think West Co would win the inland div. but I was critisizing the same logic
that you accused me of using, take another look at my post & you'll see. As for Redlands beating Norco it would not suprise me at all, I think the game is a toss up, and I do stick with my conclusion that this "06" West Co team with all its players would do well vs Redlands, they might lose but it would be an entertaining game for both sides. I say this not because of comparative scores but because I saw what this team could do when they had all their players.This would have been West Co's best team in 30+ years if they could have kept the full squad that played vs MD for the whole season. If they were able to make an impression on both Mater Dei players & Coaches why would it be so impossible to give Redlands a game, the whole key was having both Wallace bros & T.Hockenhull in at the same time, those were three extremely talented Marquee players to keep track of then you throw in Rosenthal,& Tucker & Field & its that much more speed & talent. Thats why Mater Dei had fits containing our offense the whole night. The only problem is that two of the
first three marquee players I mentioned ran into school problems & injuries & missed the games that we really needed them in & eventually 1 was dropped & the other suited up for the Rowland & Walnut game & & had impressive outings but got hurt for the last two games , so the opposing teams were able to key on the 1 marquee player that was left. If West Co had all of these guy's they would have developed as a team thru the season & would have been an extremely high caliber team, certainly capable of taking their division.

you are comparing oranges to apples junior. kick back in the bleachers with your popcorn and say damn, i should have just kept my over long blog to my self....

I believe the effectivness of comparative scoring depends on the balance of talent between the teams that are being analyzed. Comparative scoring more often than not can get you into trouble but I have found that routs do come into play at the high school level. As far as mismatches are concerned, I've found that these provide a wealth of knowledge in determining the outcome of a game.

You can't use comparative scoring in a league like the old Serra or the new Trinity, because most of the teams are more balanced talentwise. It gets worse when you get to the college level because the teams become more balanced talentwise. By the time you get to the NFL..."anyone can beat anyone any given Sunday..." All these NFL teams are equal in talent...well, in theory anyways. But when there is an imbalance of talent, much can be learned about past games. Where there is an imbalance of talent, routs do come into play.

~Redlands killed Ayala while Glendora struggled with Ayala. Redlands ends up routing Glendora.

~SO Notre Dame killed St. Paul while Amat struggled with St. Paul. Notre Dame ends up routing Amat.

~Damien killed Claremont while Charter Oak struggled with Claremont. Damien ends up routing Charter Oak.

~El Dorado killed Diamond Ranch while Los Altos struggled with Diamond Ranch. Is it so wrong to believe that El Dorado is going to beat Los Altos?

All of these above games have an imbalance of talent between the schools in question. Now if Los Altos was playing Charter Oak, Long Beach Poly was playing Edison, or Norco is playing Redlands, comparative scoring is absolutely useless because these teams are more equal talentwise. The El Dorado/Los Altos game does not fit into this category because there is a severe imbalance of talent between El Dorado and Los Altos. Only time will tell of course and comparitive scoring with routs is not always 100% correct but it is more often than not, reliable.

If you are going to leave any examples of compartative scoring in an attempt to prove me wrong, a rout must be involved and there must be a severe imbalance of talent between the schools mentioned.

P.S. Anyone who claims that West Covina would win the Inland Division has got to be an actual cheerleader....all team spirit and no brains! hahahaa! *hides from cheer moms*

P.S.2 Bishop Amat's 5 rings and 5 runner-ups have been earned at the highest level in Southern California Football. These are worth more than 15 Division 6 or 7 rings. But dont take my word of it. Check out other blogs and ask around and you will see for yourself but EVERYONE knows Bishop Amat. The same, I'm sorry to say, cannot be said about Los Altos or South Hills. These 2 schools, with all their playoff championship glory, are unknown to the powerhouses of the upper divisions. Respect from the top programs has to be earned by competing with the top programs year after year....not just a game here and there. Please lay off the Lancers. The only reason why Amat is still discussed now is because Amat's Haters will not let up and let things go. I do apologize to the non-haters who may have grown sick of reading about Amat.

Again Bleeds B&G is coming in as that imposter again.....knowing everything about Amat but god forbid you say something wrong about Los Altos...Hey Colorblind you wear red white and blue there is no gold in the Los Altos uniform mencing. the way you talk using words like chump etc leads me to believe you are immature and young and with that have no hundreds in your pocket to play with....If you read and comprehend what you read I was one of the first here to say Amat assistant coaches are young and have to be replaced. Also JA why the bitterness with Amat ?...if in fact your kid goes there he must be not getting playing time....again transfer him to CO or Walnut so your name can be true...other then that change your name to Stars and Stripes because you are bleeding Los Altos colors....what a Bandwagoner you are......Myself like Bluorca we are Amat faithful but pull for the SGV teams in the playoffs....now go drink your 40 and STFU

in spanish its called RESPECTO! and that is what los altos will be getting from all you blah blah blah pepole after this weekend, becasue all you non believers, the time has come. they will straight up win by 21 points. look deep in the trenches and that will tell you why los al is where they are. its not always the spotlight players....or is it?

Come on Dan!,

Using your logic, West Covina would be the CIF Inland Div Champions! NOT.

You don't have to be a fan of Redlands to appreciate their greatness. They will distroy Norco and go on to be the Inland champs. Will any of our local SGV teams be Inland champs, sadly NO.

As far as how SGV teams would do against Redlands is really quite simple. Unless you have watched this team play, THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN LOGICALLY COMMENT.Comparative scoring is no good. If you have seen Redlands play and SGV teams play, you will understand that Redlands coaching, execution and team harmony is just in a different universe. Would SGV teams score against Redlands? Of course they would. Can they beat Redlands, not likely.

Dear bluroca and MTWTHTREW or whatever you call it, you must do this for a living or at least you talk like you do. Trabuco and Eldorado are now heavy weights in high school football ? since when and what did I miss here was there some other season I missed, or what gives here, out of the four teams left in the S/W the only ones with C.I.F. rings are Los Altos and Charter Oak but the O/C teams are heavy weights.

Why dont you Clowns stick to writting about Bishop on the Bishop web site or maybe you can try to talk some of the recent transfers back to the school, or perhaps you can persuade the school to find a serious coach for this school, and get rid of the twenty somethings out there this is a real issue for the truly Amat faithful.
Even Art shell fired his buddy this week saying it was in the best interest of his team, if this kid really cares about Amat first he must let his school chums be on thier way to find thier own success, hey im sure they will all find a coaching gig real fast.

Like I heard one old timer coach from Los Al said to the team, how many rings do they have thats right ZERO, we have ELEVEN soon to be TWELVE, and we are right at home here in the 3rd and 4th round we know how to finish.

As for me and the rest of the true S.G.V. footbal homers all three of our teams are going to the finals case closed.

As for those who want these kids to loose because thier schools have clowns as coaches thats wrong, and if you really know what the hell you are talking about Ive got a couple of hot 100's in my pocket who say your dead wrong chump, and I will prove you clowns know nothing about football in the Valley

Like I said we'll know after this week.
If Los Altos beats this very good El Dorado team,
then who are we to say they can't hang with any team in the inland division including Redlands, and as I said about C.Oak, if their game vs South Hills was legit & they are really that good I'll
put them up there too.
Redlands is good because they have a good team this year not because of all those years in D1,
it all comes in cycles, the statement that no other team in the SGV would do any better against Redlands is just your biased opinion. Seems like your memory is pretty selective too, you use old comparative scores from during the season [ie: The Charter Oak loses to Glendora & Damien, & the Los Altos lose to D.Ranch] to justify your statements but you know comparative scores aren't reliable, other wise by your own logic I would be able to say that West Co is 27 points
better than Glendora since they beat Rowland by 28 & Glendora beat them by 1 & since Redlands
is 21 points better than Glendora then West co must be up there with Redlands, so you see, comparative scores aren't reliable. [Although I still believe the full healthy West Co team with both Wallace bros. & Tyler H. could of done well against this mighty Redlands team of yours, if they could hang with Mater Dei then why not Redlands.]

Teams do drastically change over the season, I would not be suprised at all if Los Altos routed
D.Ranch by 30 points. When South Hills won one of their titles over Walnut they lost to Walnut during the season 30 to 9, but then came back to beat them in the title game 36 to 8

MATMTWTBAG & Bluorca,

Either of you going to the Pizza Blast? Blu, we got security for you and Mike. Talk some football and nominate our Player of the Year? And shoot the sh$%!

I see your point Blu but I think someone said that the IE teams just RUN over the SGV teams. Styles make fights and SGV with it's style is getting beat by Smash Mouth Football teams. That mow people down.

When Damien played TC they had never seem a team that ran up to the line and quick snapped on every single play TO RUN THE BALL. Not Buffalo Bills Jim Kelly No Huddle offense but no huddle running option offense. The Defensive Coordinator was clueless and helpless to stop it. He never seen anything like it and neither had the players. Mendrun still threw for 245 but so what the game was over on Monday. Morrison said TC was peaking and someone said there was nothing Damien could have done but thinking like that is why we're stuck in Iraq, No PLAN for what we're about to face. That's why TC lost 4 games this season to other IE teams because that's their brand of football and they prepare for it. Maybe Damien should schedule TC or another Smash Mouth Team in preseason rather than Riverside Poly or Claremont. Rather lose in Sept and learn than to be unprepared and get bushwacked in the playoffs.If you can not run the ball in football you lose in the playoffs. At every level.

That's not a slam on the players who played their asses off it's the players not being prepared by the coaching staff. Carroll Jr. was using hand signals to call the defense and TC was already at the line snapping the ball. TC ran the same play 72 times. TC gave it to the same RB 52 times and the QB kept it the other 20. Carroll Jr. still doesn't know how to stop what he saw on Friday even after seeing film. Again that's not a knock it's that SGV doesn't play or prepare for that style of football. As far as knowing how to beat that style...fundamentals, film, discipline, more film. Not rapid fire reps in Nov. If your game plan is telling your team to "Hit THIS RB low", in November? You already lost.

Instead of having every lower level coach on the sidelines...who's scouting/filming the future playoff teams and knows how to write up a scouting report. Hell that's what Coach Spooner does all the time at Amat!

As far as peaking, MATMTWTBAG, you're right. "Peak Time" is just a reflection of the players buying in and coaches making adjustments and both preparing well. CO has a new QB, West Co. went back to their running style and LA steps up and remembers why Harwell and Cody show up! They respect and love Coach Gano and show the team what a Champion is made of---Flesh and Bones!

UCLA's Dorrell should have learned that lesson instead of seeing Ken Norton former Bruin and NFL great coaching LBs at USC when he volunteered first at UCLA but got turned down.

Scratch that! They are both in the Western Division! hahahaha!

Hey Amat fans!

Both Chaminade and St. Paul are playoff semifinalists! We own those divisions if they win them! LOL! j/k =)

MATMTWTABG

Good to see you still typing away man!

Peak time is indeed important in all regards in the playoffs but I feel that most teams right now are all at their peak time. Granted, Los Altos is playing their best ball right now but so was Diamond Ranch. This is why I look back at past scores because all the teams now in the playoffs have the same intensity. I just have a hard time believing that Los Altos has transformed into a team that is now capable of doing the same thing that El Dorado did to Diamond Ranch. Los Altos would probably beat Diamond Ranch now (maybe) but in order to keep up with El Dorado, LA would have to have the capability to destroy a playoff ready Diamond Ranch team. I just do not think this his possible. LA/DR game part 2 would be just as close and personal as the first time they met. Heart only goes so far before raw talent takes over. I'm sure Diamond Ranch,Glendora, and Damien played their absolute best games but it did not matter how amped or peaked they were....they got rocked by raw talent. And if a playoff ready Covina played a playoff ready Glendora, I believe the result would have been the same as the earlier game....a Glendora rout of Covina. Covina has a lot to be proud about but in all honesty, its because of their schedule and division. There are many a Damien fan that were shocked at their lost to Tesmescal Canyon. Damien was believed by many to be able to make it to championship game and they also believed that Damien would be able to run with Chaparral or Corona Centennial. But what everyone forgot was the past...Damien lost to Los Altos in a game that had the feel and intensity of a semi-final playoff game.

The SGV has witnessed some stunning upsets recently. But the reality is that Mayfair, Canyon, and Foothill are no where near as good as El Dorado. And I believe that teams like Redlands, Centennial, Chaparral, and even Temescal Canyon would hold their own in the Pac-5. Yeah, they would eventually get slaughtered by the farms, but they would put up a good fight...especially Redlands who has years upon years of experience playing at the highest level in the Southern Section.

Would Amat score againts that Redlands D?

OF COURSE! DON'T WE ALWAYS! WE OWN WALKER'S TERRIERS!! HAHA! No really, I honestly think Amat would have loads of trouble scoring on Redlands. No one has been able to score on Redlands and they have played some pretty decent teams. All of Redlands close games were actually statistical routs of their opponents. These games were kept close because of Redland's mistakes. Redzone turnovers and called back TDs have plague them this entire year. If there was any year that a Redlands team would have beat an Amat team it would have been a year like this one. But we will never know because Redlands got tired of getting spanked in Div.1...namely, by our beloved Lancers.

No word yet on our QB nor next years schedule man. Verti has a lot riding on next season so I'm sure for him and his staff, next season starts now...If any Amat fan has any insight into next year, let us know...

Just a little Football Humor:

A guy took his Blond girlfriend to her first football game. They
had great seats right behind their team's bench. After the game, he
asked her how she liked the experience.
"Oh, I really liked it," she replied, "especially the tight pants
and all the big muscles, but I just couldn't understand why they
were killing each other over 25 cents."
Dumbfounded, her date asked, "What do you mean?"
Well, they flipped a coin, one team got it and then for the rest of
the game, all they kept screaming was: 'Get the quarterback! Get the
quarterback!' I'm like...Helloooooo? It's only 25 cents!!!!

ALL TRUE COVINA FANS AND SGV FANS OF FOOTBALL. PLEASE COME OUT AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT. COVINA, LOS ALTOS, CHARTER OAK AND DUARTE, WILL NEED YOUR HELP. I WANT ALL THE COVINA FOLKS TO PACK THE HOUSE LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR FOR THE SEMIS. WE WANT TO GET TO THE FINALS AND WE WILL NEED THE 12TH MAN IN THE STANDS. PLEASE COME OUT EARLY AND LETS SHOW OAK PARK WHAT THE SGV IS ALL ABOUT.
GO COLTS!!!!!

Most of the time I do agree with your takes Bluorca, but your spin on that Redlands team is way off for two reasons. 1.)They came down to the right place to play after going one and out when facing Amat in the first game of the D1....now they are where they should be but lets see how consistant they are at this level. 2.)Yes I agree Covina lost to Glendora in what week 1 and Los Altos lost to D'ranch somewhere along the way, but what is the most important part of the playoffs that everyone overlooks is PEAK TIME...yes teams for some reason peak towards the playoffs and play some of their best ball at this time of year not to mention the coaches are coaching some of their best games here, plotting towards that championship. you cannot compare week one to the present...teams are jelled by now....anyone can win it. Good luck to LA and CO they will be in with two heavyweights in El Dorado and Trubuco and they also will be on the road. Same holds true for Covina and Duarte all on the road. SGV is not coming home this weekend 0-4 some or most of our teams will win...Bluorca any word on who our QB at Amat will be next year.?

I stand my ground when I say that NO other SGV school would be able to do any better againts Redlands. The top Inland Division teams would lay waste to the top Southwest Divsion teams (except El Dorado) Who are the top SGV teams right now in the Southwest? Charter Oak? Charter Oak has a great team but they got burned by Damien 25-9 and lost to Glendora 14-7. Los Altos is another great team but they lost to Charter Oak 13-10. Is does not take a genius to see that Redlands would have routed both Los Altos and Charter Oak. Even Damien would have been nuked by Redlands. Damien beat Glendora convincingly but at least that was a somewhat competitive game...not a mismatch. Besides, didn't Los Altos beat Damien this season people?

My point is that if these teams played each other again, there might be some different results from what we saw earlier. But the fact is that the Glendora/Redlands game was indeed a complete mismatch. If the game was played again, the results would have been the same. The real score of that game was more like 47-7. There was absolutely nothing Glendora could done prior or during that game to change the outcome. And I must apologize to the Glendora faithful for bringing up this painful subject but its the only way to get through to some of these people. Forgive me Clone n Co.

Oh yeah,
Covina too, with all their playoff success, would have been stopped cold by that Redlands Defense. I thought it amusing that a Covina fan would be the first one to take offense to my claim about Redlands. Didn't Covina get routed by Glendora? That was this season right? Why do I feel like there are too many people on here with "selective" memories? I'm not arrogant, I just have a decent memory because I take my vitamins every day!

Yep it is the playoffs and teams do step it up but its not like these teams magically transform into something they are not. Los Altos is in playoff form but so was Diamond Ranch. Does anyone here think that Diamond Ranch took El Dorado lightly? No freakin way. Anyone remember the Diamond Ranch/Los Altos game? Does anyone think Diamond Ranch took Los Altos lightly? No freakin way. Maybe Los Altos would beat Diamond Ranch now in the season but there is no way that Los Altos could do the same thing to DR as El Dorado did just last week. I'm just keeping things real.

Enjoy the playoffs but don't let this cloud your judgement or logic. Know your division strength and above all, know your roll.

Bring on the retorts (I should be getting paid for this HaHa!)...

The only reason teams win in the playoffs is coaching. the only reason they win in the season is preparartion and development. That's why OC teams win. They spend the money on great facilities, great coaching staffs and hire the BEST HEAD COACHES money can buy. That's why Gano, Bogan, Farrar, Rollinson, Antioch, Grady succeeded because of longevity and job security, in other words they developed over time. When they started coaching was not a way to make a living it was a vocation of love. Now everything is young guns $$$$ looking for the fast track to college jobs (more $$$). It's a legit career and Big $$$! Look at the most recent hires in SGV, why coach here when you can coach at Chino Hills or OC with there great facilities and abundant staff, Seen some of their training rooms? $$$$$

In OC $$$$$ and the "NEW" ever expanding INLAND EMPIRE $$$$$$ big money has brought out better coaches. That simple. $$$$$ made Oaks Christian, Mission Viego, ST. MArg. Orange Lutheran ect $$$$. Public and private school $$$$$. That's the name of the game. That's what wins unless you're lucky enough to have a great class (Covina) or seasoned warriors (Gano, Fair, Farrar, Bogan)

we'll know nothing new this after this weekend because LA & CO play in a different divisions. This realignment took place prior to the 2006 season, an your boys were still saddled what pretty much remained div 6. Period. CIF didn't move them up, ask Aram. He thinks he knows everything. Perhaps he can dazzle us with his insight and knowledge of CIF's inner circles, like saying the Southwest div champ game was gonna be at the Home Depot Ctr.......please Aram, do tell......

Reading all of the wanna bees complain and whine is soo difficult, what the hell is going on with our society. Once again talk about your team do not belittle others because your wanna be team and staff cant hold thier water in the playoffs.

Its not Los Als fault or Covinas fault and its not the fact that Redlands is the greatest team that ever existed in high school football that your not around its scheduling its attitude its prep its all those things and more.

Where's Sherman Oaks Notre Dame, and where is Mission Viejo, out thats where, and why is Santa Margarita still in it, answer these things and it will become clear, its the playoffs nuckle head and anything can happen.

Remember little juan last year Loyola won the DI title with a coin toss and a 6-4 record going in, how was that because some coaches are experts at this stuff just get them in and thier at thier best, it dont matter if its your man crush on Redlands team or Oaks christian or foothill or El Dorado, you just dont know man thats why some coaches suck at the playoffs they listen to little geeks like you and not to thier own instincs, or they read cal preps or max preps and thats it.

By maxpreps numbers Rudy would never have played for Notre Dame, and doug flutie never would have played pro ball and be a T.V commentator, O.J. never would have played the game ( cripple as a kid), Loyala would not have won the DI title last year Los Altos never would have beaten Orange lutheran 3 years ago, Joe Luis never would have beaten Maxx Smelling, Hitler should have won WWII, and Bumble bee's arent suppossed to fly ( engineering flaw in thier body being too big for wings to support

Take your stats and your loosing mind set and shove it up your ***, for the rocky's and for the Davids we arent making excuses we are looking for Goliath's to kick ass on, while you idolize Redlands and schools with no championship history we are busy making some of our own.

Right now schools like Los Altos and Covina are looking for 5 smooth stones .

And a big forehead to sink that stone into.

If you are not for us you are against us, the S.G.V. is making some noise and im dam proud, and pray all our teams get to the finals.

Whale Hunter
I don't think you read my post carefully,
I said if you take out the top 3 or 4 teams in the inland division, then its comparable to southwest div., I realize teams like Norco, C, Centennial,[ya I know they lost]& Redlands, are a step up in caliber but you also have to look at the way Los Altos & C.Oak are playing right now. How do we know if C.Oak hasn't finally played to their full potential, and is that much better than South Hills. If C.Oak is as good as their score against South Hills, then they have to be considered to be on the same level
that the top inland div. teams are at. we'll find out this week.
Also look at Los Altos, they easily beat a Foothill team that barely lost to D1 Santa Margarita [7 to 6] who is playing this week for the D1 semi finals. I know comparative scores
aren't always a valid indicator, but you can't just throw them out the window either. Los Altos is playing its best ball at this time, if they beat this very good El Dorado team [I will put El Dor.up with any inland team], and if C.Oak has turned up their level of play and reached a potential that they haven't reached till now[as
their score with S.Hills might indicate], then I would put them up against any team in the inland div., but like I said, we'll know after this week.

74-Colt Alumni,

Not asking for an apology. You have been extremely fair and supportive of Glendora when others have smacked. However, it's impossible to project how teams would perform against each other if they don't actually play one another. To say "I stated what others obviously agree with, or may agree with, that the other lowly SGV teams could have and would have done better" is also very persumptuous of you. I have gone through every posting and have yet to find anyone saying they one have done a better job against Redlands.

And, yes, I was at the Covina game against Glendora as well. My son (a starter) as well as many other starters, were relieved in the 4th qtr by the 2nd and 3rd team players. You may recall the final play of the game was a sack of McD by a non-starting D lineman. It was a awesome sack, i'm sure you remember this!

I am a great McD fan. He truly is a GREAT player. I hope he gets the Tribune POY. He represents the best of the valley!

Seeing is beliving - Sorry but I gotta call BS on this one...

YOU said you have seen 12 PLUS teams ( you said "and others" ) from our area play this year and NONE were at the level of Redlands. How would you know? You've obviouslsy never seen Redlands play them. How could you with watching all our teams. So how would you know how good Redlands was in person? It don't add up.

Maybe you saw films? Yeah that's it.

Redlands :

Pine castle 9-3
Los Osos 7-4
Ayala 0-10
Redlands East Valley 7-4
Carter 7-4
Fontana 0-10
Eisenhower 1-9
Yucaipa 5-6
Miller 4-6
Rialto 3-7
Glendora * 7-4
Etiwanda * 6-5

Am I missing something here? Sure nothing I see to have any SGV team shaking in their boots. Sorry not going to waste any more time discussing Redlands in a thread about our SGV teams. I'll take Norco this week.

Dream on Danny boy. I can't believe i'm saying this but, Shamu is right on this one. The inland division is basically the "old div 2". Those #1 and #2 teams from the Inland div, or I.E. would deliver a solid beat down to the 1 and 2 teams from the southwest. Have you seen any of Inland teams play? Or are going off how well your teams have traditionally done in the lower divisions? Why didn't the Miramonte League teams get bumped up into a higher division? Cause CIF figured it was to much for them.....IT IS WHAT IT IS...

I’m not belittling Glendora…just the opposite, taking an arrogant comment questioning everyone else’s opinions and credibility and dismantling it. This isn’t and wasn’t any kind of attack against Glendora and I have no intentions of apologizing if someone reads it wrong and takes it that way. IMHO Glendora did not play that game of the level of their worth. For what ever reason. I firmly believe that Glendora is a lot better than they showed that game…but you can only go on the at the moment and they lost. I stated what others obviously agree with, or may agree with, that the other lowly SGV teams could have and would have done better. It doesn’t take away from Redlands or Glendora. But it does slap the lips off of the well ...they lost and no one in the SGV could have done better remark…. And if you think so you are ignorant.

And since those predictions from what I read so far are running at about 92% correct I thought I’d point that out too.

One last thing…I was at the Glendora game and I sure don’t remember them substituting. I wonder why we have different memories of the same thing? In any case you and I both know that we’re talking CIF playoffs here…at least that’s what the thread, the post, and my reply was/is about. Not 12 weeks ago.
And no where that I can see did anything I say take the slightest bit away from Redlands or their win.

hey 74-Colt Alumni

listening to the GHS/Redland game twice on internet radio, by no means, gives you any idea how tough the Redland team is. You had to be there to see these guys for yourself. I was there, as were other posters who saw this game and also agreed Redlands will win inland div cif. It was unbelievable glendora was able to score at all against redlands (props to glendora), especially considering they were with out their star full back the whole game. I agree with bluorca, it would be difficult for any of our local teams, at full strength, to score against the redland D. You would have to actually see these guys to understand. I have seen covina, damien, LA, duarte, WC, CO, monrovia, chino hills, amat, roland, culver city, glendora and others play this year and NONE were at the same level as redlands PERIOD.

Bluorca,
Pac 5 is heads & shoulders above every division, Take away the top 3 or 4 teams in the inland div. then the southwest div. would be comparable. Amat, Damien, & Glendora may be in your beloved divisions but this year they are not above the SGV Southwest div.top teams.
At the end of the season, Los Altos, Charter Oak,& West Covina [when healthy & had both Wallace bro., which they didn't have for Trab. Hills] were playing their best ball of the season & were much improved teams than during the season. All three of these teams would have a good shot at beating
any of your beloved three this year[Amat, Damien Glendora] if your talking about end of the season.

"74-Colt Alumni"

I know people, like yourself, get alittle sensitive when other posters, like bluorca include "ALL SGV TEAMS" in their posts, which of course would include the Colts.

But, please, don't belittle the Tartans as you did regarding the Redlands excellent team. Your point about the Tartans scoring "8 more points" against Redlands 2nd and 3rd teams has already been made several times. There 2nd and 3rd teams are probably at the level most SGV starters would be. Further, how many games has Glendora and others placed their 2nd and 3rd teams in during the 3rd and 4th qtrs to give other kids a chance to play. Infact, I know Glendora did just that against your Colt team in the final qtr in week one.

I wouldn't put much into the Calpreps or Maxpreps predictions. Redlands is a POWERHOUSE and will most likely win CIF Inland. As bluorca states, Redlands really is a different kind of team. I have seen most all SGV teams play..several times now. I have seen Redlands play as well and Redlands truly is in a league of their own. After years of playing D1, Redlands has prepared themselves well.

Let's put this behind us now and root on the Colts and others who are representing SGV.

Bluorca (re: LA vs Foothill):

Funny how they don't mention the controversial calls that went the other way. Foothill's big drive at the end of the first half included:

2 fumbles recovered by LA that weren't given to them
1 Tipped pass that was clearly caught out of bounds by the Foothill receiver, credited as a catch
1 Pass play where there were clearly 2-3 linemen down the field

Heh, the missed turnovers alone would probably have made the first half score a much more insurmountable 37-7.

Still, LA may very well have beaten a better team last week, and will definitely have done so if they can pull it out this week. They didn't tackle very well at all against Foothill... the loss of LB Acosta hurts their run D immensely.

I'm definitely picking Los Altos, Charter Oak, and Covina this week.

Maybe I believe in miracles..or maybe I just believe in the SGV Football programs.

TOO MUCH CROW EATING WILL GIVE YOU THE RUNS, CHORO...YOU WILL PROBABLY SAY THE SAME THING NEXT WEEK AFTER THEY WIN AND THE WEEK AFTER....YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE!!! GO LOS ALTOS!

I guess one of the many ignorant have to lay in on the Glendora comments by blucora. Where to start...

Relands 40 Glendora 13 with 6:48 to go in the game. Redlands pulls ALL it's starting players. Points scored from now on by Glendora ( 8 more ) are against 2-3rd teams. Listen to the game.

Calpreps predictions : neutral site as to not favor one or the other

Redlands 31
Damien 28

Relands 22
C. O. 8

Redlands 31
Covina 21

Redlands 24
Los Altos 14

Redlands 40
Baldwin Park 7

So it seems that even Baldwin Park would have been pretty close to what Glendora did ( before Redlands pulled every one of their starters ). All the rest of us ignorant teams would have done better probably. At least some other ignorants think so. These are predictions and are hypothetical but I guess if we disagree with you we must be ignorant.

I listened to the whole game. Twice. Final score Redlands 40 Glendora 21.

It's over..let it go.

I was right with you and most of your comments till the ignorant part came up. Then the hairs on the back of my neck also came up.

I find it utterly amazing how in each and every one of your posts you HAVE to bring up Amat and Glendora..neither of which has anything to do with this thread. I must be ignorant.

Los Altos

I must take my hat off to Los Altos for their stunning butt stomping of Foothill. The OC Register blamed the loss on controversial calls. WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP!!! Nevermind that Foothill was getting owned 30-7 to begin with. HAHAA! The OC Register can bite my arse lol! I swallowed a fat stinkin crow for this game...the meat was tender and not too gamey. Los Altos has had so many ups and downs all season but they have pulled through and in championship form. It's unfortunate that they are in the same bracket as El Dorado who bombed a playoff ready Diamond Ranch team. I do not think I'll be eating crow on this next game. Though I do not expect a complete mismatch (ie. amat vs. notre dame) but I would have to favor El Dorado by more than just 7-10 pts. I think that's unrealistic and I would put it more around 17. Miracles do happen and a Los Altos victory would be one of the greatest upsets in Southern Cali football. GODSPEED CONQUERORS!!!

Charter Oak

I said before that Charter Oak had the players to rout South Hills but I did not think that this was actually going to happen. Cheers to the Chargers for their victory. One would have to favor Charter Oak over Trabuco Hills in this next game. Trabuco Hills stuggled againts South Hills in their season opener which can be unpredictable and screwy games more often than not. But CO's commanding win over SH has me convinced that we will be seeing the Charter Oak vs. El Dorado in the final. El Dorado should be in the Inland Division people...

Damien

I've said this before (AND MANY DISAGREED) but now perhaps many will now agree with me that the difference between the Inland Division and the rest of the divisions (minus pac5) in the SGV is gigantic. No one should make the mistake of talking smack againts this Damien team or any team that plays in the Inland Division. As far as Damien's game goes, this was one of those games where it was no one's fault and there was really nothing Damien could have done to better prepare againts this team. I'm sure at some point early in the game the Damien coaching staff figured out that all their opponents were going to do is run the ball. The proper adjustments by the Damien Coaching staff were made to defend againts the run but to no avail. That's just the way some games go. Congrats to the Spartans on a memorable season!

Glendora

Everyone betta lay off the Tartans. There is no team in the SGV (ABSOLUTELY NO TEAM) that could score real points and compete againts Redlands this year. Redlands is playing at a level unknown to most SGV football fans and to claim that any SGV school would be do better or could actually beat this Redlands team is ignorant. You all need to pay attention to Glendora fans (and Damien) because they have personally witnessed what kind of team it takes to make a run for the Inland Division title. It's plain scary.

Oaks Christian

Yes...Oaks Christian is one big marketing scheme to draw the best players and make their little school rich and powerful. This school might as well put Pepsi and Subway logos on their helmets. SHAME on the CIF for allowing this school to compete in their current division. Oak's Christian has played absolutely no one and I really do not think they deserve to be titled "top team in california." Granted, I do think that this team would probably win the Pac-5 this year though their routing days would be over. Any top team from the Pac-5 would do just was well if they had Oaks Christian's schedule. And Long Beach Poly and Santa Margarita not to mention Edison, Notre Dame, and Servite have more than enough weapons of their own to beat Oaks Christian. But we will never know and this is unfortunate.

How bout them Long Beach Poly Jackrabbits! They simply amazed me...

MAY GOD BE WITH ALL SGV TEAMS IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!

LAC,

Glad you asked - no, they aren't playing at Home Depot. I'm not sure where they are playing, but I think it will be a neutral located near whomever is the home team. Hopefully, it's LA vs CO somewhere around here.

HERE IS ANOTHER PERSON WHO LOVES OAKS CHRISTIAN!

Listen, I've have been saying this ALL season long..."OAKS CHRISTIAN IS FAR OVERRATED" !!!
I can't belive all of the writers, H.S. enthusiasts,etc. in the assessment of what they've done. They have proved little. They have shown that they can beat a slow St.Boneventure team and less than capable Venice H.S. (loss to San Pe"who").
In all of their other matches, thay have had to play teams they far outmatch. Teams that might of been able to field less than 5-7 boys that even weighed more than 200 bs. and with little speed. What does that EVER prove with the team thay have. Don't get me wrong, yes, they have a talented core of players over there (not for long though) but coach Redell has yet to show that his TEAM can really compete at a level higher than they have. To those who truly know Cal football over the years (and I've seen, played and coached it for the past 30+ years), they've shown little...VERY little (period).
Let them play the PERRENIAL powers (i.e. Mission Viejo, Long Beach Poly, Dorsey, Crenshaw, Birmingham, Servite, Mater Dei, Santa Margarita, Notre Dame...heck even Loyola or Crespi) just PLAY the best to be considered #1. It's like giving the national BCS title to Boise State...c'mon. So once and for all...stop with the Oaks Christian H.S. being the best in So. CALIF.. We KNOW we have better and tougher and prove it year in and year out.
They're S-O-F-T...

Posted by: Angelo Lombard-Williams | November 28, 2006 at 01:38 AM

la trabuco / la home
la co / coin toss
el do co / co home
el do trabuco / who gives a s@%t!

Aram just to clarify are you sure the Southwest Finals will be held at the Home Depot Center ... Checking the CIF brackets it only says that the top 3 divisions have the championshis at the Home Depot Center but doesn't mention anything about the other ones. Im hoping the Southwest will get its shot at the champ game in that Stadium.

I gave up a while ago try to make sense out of the ratings systems in general. For example this week Maxpreps Southern Section :Los Altos jumps up 58 points, Charter Oak jumps 40, Covina jumps 26. Bishop Amat dropped 2, and Glendora jumped up 6.

And oaks Christian drops 6, El Dorado drops 2.

So play and win and you lose points and don't play and you only lose 2 points or better yet gain 6 points.

Yup...makes sense to me.....

Hey..sports fans forget who beat who in weeks 1-2-3....The bottom line is that we should all rally around SGV teams that are still in the hunt for a CIF championship. They represent SGV and we all don't have to wear thier colors to get along and support thier efforts. Best of luck to all SGV's H/S that will play this friday for all the cookies.
(P.S. I'm a Tartan parent)

Cal Preps and Max Preps are the same rating system. OC has been dropping in that system, especially recently, because it is computer based and the OC league is very weak. USA Today is done by humans.

Some body help me. I was looking at the Max Preps, Cal Prep, and USA Today rankings of the top football teams in the nation.
Max Preps and Cal Preps have Oaks Christian at 157 and USA Today has them at #7. Why would OC be at 157 on 2 ranking system and #7 by another. I know that they are good. I have seen them fall alot over the past couple of weeks on the Max Preps rankings. Can some one please explain this to me? I just want to understand why a team as good a OC is hit so hard in the Rankings. The State Ranks have OC at #18. What's Up????
Aram do you have a answer??

I found this on the LA Times Preps Blog: It appears the the folks on the other side of town like Oaks Christian just as much the folks here like Covina:

Message to O.C. critics: Bring it on
Now that Venice and St. Bonaventure have been eliminated from the postseason, I see people want to start getting off the Oaks Christian bandwagon.

Get a reality check. Oaks Christian routed those two schools, so please don't start comparing scores.

There is no doubt in my mind that Oaks Christian would beat Long Beach Poly, Orange Lutheran, Edison or Santa Margarita in a one-game situation. They are that good.

Stop taking away the respect they've earned.

E.S.

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I agree that OC is probably the best team around.

Respect doesn’t automatically come with greatness and it’s potential. As you imply, it’s earned. Did they really command respect with an aggressive schedule similar to the other great programs? I think that’s the argument that those who aren’t on the bandwagon would bring up.

I subscribe to the old school axiom is “if you want to be considered the best, you have to play the best.�

I have read that some big programs did not want to play them. I am sure there were others that would have loved to have a shot the “best team� and would have played them anytime, any place.

Eleven (?) college D1 scholarships are pretty impressive and prove that they have a lot of talent. But, I’m left with the feeling that OC’s season was more of a great marketing campaign with some well placed strategic match ups early in the season. Their coronation seemed based more on feature stories by the local and national media.

It would have been more exciting to see them play some historic games than to read all the stories on how talented this team was.

Posted by: joe | November 26, 2006 at 09:22 AM

Give me a break, Sondheimer. Put Oaks Christian in the Pac-5 playoffs and they would be just another good team in that monster bracket. Yeah, they're good, but they'll have to settle for the small potatoes they've been playing for the last four years. Ho. Hum. I can't wait until they get knocked off their pedestal next year and realize it takes more than one all star class to build a winning tradition.

In a one-game situation, O.C. would win. But as you said, playing a couple games in a row against Pac-5 competition would be interesting.

Posted by: Deacon Blues | November 26, 2006 at 11:31 AM

For any one that has seen OC play, they can not deny the level of play. It is a well coached finely tuned machine.
They can play in any top league and should play in the PAC-5. That is where they belong and until they play at that level, it will leave room for folks to take pot shots at them.

Good point. I agree. E.S.

Posted by: crazyqube | November 26, 2006 at 11:20 PM

I can always tell the people who have never seen Oaks Christian actually play. They are the ones that say things like," In our Division, they would just be another team," and "if they had to play all the tough teams we have to play, then they would see what it's like in the 'big boy' leagues."

Blah, Blah, Blah...

You all do realize that it is an extreme rarity for any of the starters to ever see more than one down in the second half, right? If Redell kept his players in the game full time, or did any kind of 4-quarter rotation, the would be scoring a thousand points a season, not just 750.

Also, Coach Redell has repeatedly said that this is a once-in-a-lifetime group of young men. Just enjoy the fact that we can watch a dominant team play locally. That doesn't happen very often.

Good luck and good health to al lthe players still playing, you've earned respect based on your hard work and performance on the field.

Posted by: C. M. | November 27, 2006 at 11:01 AM

"BIG DADDY"

Don't mention it my friend! Perhaps the Colts needed their butts kicked early on by glendora (2 years running)to get their season fired up!

GO COLTS!

Coach Crutchfield is the man. Keep preping our boys for a victory. Thank you for the memories.

Falcons our in the Semi Finals....

Congratulations to Duarte. You boys keep playing hard. We are rooting for you this week. Let everybody in the Valley keep talking about how bad we are. As long as we keep winning who cares.

Falcon Pride.

74-Colt, I am only playing, I know that we to focus on this game only. This Friday will be the real test for the boys.
What was going on in the locker room!
My son told me that in the locker room at the half, that the team was not worried. They knew that it was going to be tough!! He said that the player stepped up and stated what they need to do to win the game. He told me that the Coaches told them to that is was a bad half we will make few adjustments and left. The players knew what had to be done to win that game. They were pumping each other up. After the game he told me that it was one of the toughtest games all year! They were happy for the win. They will be ready for next week. If you want e-mail me: rarrant@curtisswright.com and I will give you my number so I can give you updates on the game while you are in Phoenix.
What happen at the CO/SH game. I'm in shock that SH(THE BEST TEAM IN THE AREA) got blown out.

Whoa there Big Fella ! Lets take it one giant brick wall at a time! We've got our plate full this week! If we make it past this week I'll take playing in a dirt field in Compton for the finals. I could care less where we'd play as long as we got to play!

Again, lets just concentrate on this game and let the chips fall where they may on who or if or where we play after that.

Got to hand it to my fellow Colt supporters though.
We want it all!

Aram,

Who do we have to kiss to play at the Home Depot Center? I (COLTS) would like to play there.

Well is was a tough game but Covina pulled it off. Add in the failed PAT (3) and the blocked FG (3) there is a toatl of 6 points that would have made the score 53-32. I would like to thnak all of you who supported the Covina in this win. I hope that Covina fixes there penilty problem. Take away the penilties and the score could have been much worst. St Joe put up a good fight. At half time my wife and overheard some of the St Joe ladies talking about who they were going to play next, they were planning for Oak Park. They figured that they had the game in the bag. St Joe's if you reading this: "Never count you chickens before the hatch."
Covina got the job done and the can beat a team with a winning record. For those of you not at the game you missed a good one. This was a good test fo the Colts. For all the Glendora fans, thanks, we now realize that you are the stepping stones we need to get to the next level.

"i'm sure"

a "first round exit" against redlands isn't anything to be ashamed of. Most teams would have a difficult time just scoring against their D. the bad part about entering cif in 3rd place is you face 1st place teams. u smackers can't read or U just don't care. 1 thing 4 sure, when you smack, u look small and stupid! Keep it up shorty.

Go Colts.

the only smackers out there is "whale hunter" and i'm sure". You twits r the only ones smacking on glendora. SHUTUP already! get over your losses to the glendora team already. the more you smack on glendora, the worse your team looks for losing to them. MOVE ON JUNIOR!

I believe the Southwest Division finals are being held at Home Depot Center.

in all the possible scenarios

la trabuco
la co
el do co
el do trabuco

where would the finals be held?? any insight aram?

Why are these Glendora fans talking smack? Its December, and they are NOT scheduled to play anyone in football. Is that a surprise to any of them? You've got to be kidding me????, They don't play football in Dec at Glendora, come on now, you should be very used to this feeling by now kid. Get behind the SGV, root these cats on through a VERY rough road ahead. None of them are shoe-ins, so stop the player hating.

And so what if beat these three "lower division schools", you didn't take care of bizness in league (or couldnt't take care of it) so this is how ya'll wind up, again. Maybe YOU should be booted from the Sierra League, and placed in with these Div 6 "contenders". Has Glendora won a CIF championship in football in say the last 20 years?

Enjoy your basketball season. There you lead the pack. No doubt. But stop whining about football already!

dont call me son grandpa...and if u wanna get excited about a first round exit then be my guest...

"im sure"

To bad we can't ALL replay games we lost during the season. That's just not how it works son. Glendora lost a total of three games all season and played, with out a doubt, one of the hardest schedules by any measurment. Try accomplishing what Glendora did, without a Mcd or Mendrun.

Let's leave it alone, because son, no matter how you look at it, the Tartans had a very good season. Could have been better, but considering what talent was lost last year, miracles were accomplished. This years team, while inexperenced, played with heart. What was learned this season, will make the team better and stronger next year.

Right now, I'm supporting Covina, Duarte and Charter Oak in the semi's! (3 teams Glendora beat). I'm a McD fan, a Harris fan and a MJ fan!!! I'm afraid, son, you will sit by your computer and remain bitter. Always replaying those losses in your head. Get over it! This is week 13 now!

im sure the glendora coach was sittin at home friday night sayin hey atleast we beat covina and charter oak this year...give the guy a little more credit then that...id rather lose a week 1 game and still be playin in december...its not where u start its where u finish...if covina and charter oak played glendora later in the season its a waaay dif game...

FANatic out of Hibernation!

ATTENTION GLENDORA HATERS!

You can laugh and tease all you want. But when you get down to it, how many of you can say, during the season you beat 4 SGV playoff teams, 3 who are going to the semi-finals and 4 teams who were #1 in their respective leagues?

Then, how many of you were not even in the top 10 Tribune rankings pre-season? How many of you started the this season without last seasons, top passer, top receiver, top rusher, top tackler and missing 3/4 of your D and O line?

Give Glendora a break! This has been a great year for the Tartans given the above. Next year, we will do even better.

FANatic back in hibernation!

Bagging on Glendora right now...for what ever reason, or perceived reason is not cool. They beat us ( Covina ) fair and square. And a lot of good teams. Let it go.

They earned and deserved respect for what they accomplished. Give them that.

I'm not even going to try and predict scores and winners for this week. I am going to wish all the best for each team representing the SGV..and doing so with PRIDE. And I am going to thank those teams that are not continuing on this week for their show of support for those that are.

So I guess playing the weaker team in preseason did'nt do anything for glendora, maybe the bagpipers should take a few pointer from the weaker teams.next year should be the same for piperland ......no play-offs..HA..HA..HA!!!

What do Covina, Duarte, and Charter Oak have in common??? They all lost to Glendora weeks 1-3. Want to make the semis? Schedule Glendora for your pre-season wake up call. Then they can come watch you play in December!