BREAKING NEWS: Diamond Bar hires new football coach

Joe Amat: Amats best athletes are in the Wrestling room ! We got some foozballers & ex-foozballers in there who were not given a chance cuz they were told they were to small ! " AMAT 2007 CIF DIV V CHAMPIONS " Mighty Are The Men Who Were Blue & Gold Singlet !!!

this is the same training usede by Shaun Cody and Brigham Harwell that has helped them get to the level that they are playing at now. Local high school football, basketball and baseball players are using this training.

http://www.freewebs.com/optimalsports/index.htm

randy
Upon further review...you are correct and I was wrong about Ayala in Div6. Thanks for the correction.

randy,

I'm with you on the hoops and pigskin at the "little yellow a". Not throwing stones - just catching them and sending 'em back. But we know where our problems start - at the top.

I was just refering to the DB excuse that FB is down is because the athletes are playing basketball. Our best athletes are playing basketball too - it's just Girl's Basketball !:?(

All I know is that the last SGV CIF title in boys hoops came from when we were still the Big Golden A. Plus back-to-back National Baseball championships, and we were still right there in FB.

It was just under different coaching regimes that makes it seem decades ago for us.

Easy there Joe, DB basketball did ok in '04--i wanna say they made it to the semis or the 3rd round..., the 05-06 year was not so good, and this year has been pretty damn good.....unlike your hoops program....don't be throwing to many stones our way bro, boys hoops and football has not been your forte these past couple of years either...and don't even try to rag our school academically, we rate as well as Palos Verdes and Beverly Hills school districts.....

Well if you want to know why many of them are playing basketball, its problably because both Jv and freshman teams went undefeated this yr, THATS WHY!

if the athletes at DB are playing basketball...why have THEY not been better in recent years?

I always thought Cuccia was approachable at DB. The AD/Head Basketball Coach Cameron is the same way. I'm sure Coach Martin will keep that open door policy, if someone has a legit concern.

db football, yes there are athletes, but many are not playing football. they play basketball. The coaches need to get those kids out and then u might see some real improvement.

question, do your coaches communicate with the parents? replies welcome.

kong as in king

hey uh No-step.......Ayala, and the entire Sierra league were in Div 2 during the 90's, and are still in it after the re-org in 2006. The Inland Div is considered Div 2 by CIF unofficially. Did you know from 1994-2001 either DB, Ayala or Chino made it to the finals every year.....pretty impressive---no doubt.....then Diamond Ranch and Chino Hills get built (both schools who've NEVER reached the finals) and they scoop a large portion of the athletic pool, leading to the bottom eventually falling out for those 3 powerhouses. Ah, but what a ride that was......ya gotta take the good with bad sometimes, we'll see things picking up for the purple and gold here soon enough.......

Mike the clone

In the 90`s, Ayala was in Div VI.

Tartan Pride and FeelingU,

i agree with both of u. Kalusny will be a major factor in the league as a smart and talented qb who got some very early experience playing varsity this past season as a soph. hopefully he works hard in the off season. you are right about glendora defense being very tough this year. lots of experienced and talented starters returning. looking forward to seeing some squash ball out there.

hard to replace rb edmonds. we will have to wait and see who steps up to carry the ball. i 2 am looking forward to some great things this next season with the tartans. perhaps this will be the year.

Tartan Pride and FeelingU,

i agree with both of u. Kalusny will be a major factor in the league as a smart and talented qb who got some very early experience playing varsity this past season as a soph. hopefully he works hard in the off season. you are right about glendora defense being very tough this year. lots of experienced and talented starters returning. looking forward to seeing some squash ball out there.

hard to replace rb edmonds. we will have to wait and see who steps up to carry the ball. i 2 am looking forward to some great things this next season with the tartans. perhaps this will be the year.

Tartan Pride
Man I hope your right, I just hope Pasqy doesn't screw with young Klu's head and sit him his junior year like he did with Garrett Crook. I was glad to see Sierra League coaches give Garrett a first team All League Selection
This coming year will be interesting.

No doubt Glendora defense will be awesome this coming season with so many returning starters...probably one of the toughest in the Sierra League.

If young Kalusny can show his great skills at QB, offense will be good as well.

Glendora may see a league championship this year as other contenders, especially Damien, will have a off year as many key starters have graduated.

Comments?

Greetings!

“Pasqy Shottenheimer� did advance to the CIF Division II Championship twice that I’m aware of at Ayala back in the 90’s, practically a decade ago.

What have you done for us lately?

Late!

Mike the Clone

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......"5th down"--you remember that well don't you? Shit happens bro, in the heat of battle, the truth can get muddled. That wasn't the first time the refs blew a call like that. I wasn't there that night. But I remember the fallout for the Upland folks. Whaddya gonna do? You gotta move forward, you gotta let it go. It was a tough break. I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR EVEN HEARD of a coach correcting the refs when they screw up what down it is. Unless of course its against the coach, then he is all over the ref to correct to the "down marker box".

Back to Back '98-'99 Champs, that's no walk in the park (D6 & 7) in the Div 2/Inland Div. any year you do it! :) Peace out my Upland bruthas...

Do DB fans actually count the 1999 title?

tell em chase...iv never seen you play but i also hear you are on hell of a baller on the court to...i played against rowland in the fall league and i was hoping you were there but you werent o well...keep it up good luck in the playoffs

to OMG,
wow!!! u gotta b kiddin me. im so glad ur a such a weeny u gotta use anonymus names cuz man u r soundin dumber by the comment. im brown nosing huh?? ok. everything i earned was given to me?? ok if u say so. i guess i brown nosed all the other league coaches that voted me first team all-league at qb and db again? i guess i brown nosed the coaches from cif that voted me first team db as well.o and i guess i begged Aram to put me on the all-valley team as a db too?? thats koo. we will see how much was given to me 3 years from now. wow u r really sumthin. come on this blog and show ur true colors. i just hope u rnt who i think u r cuz that would be sad.

to OMG,
wow!!! u gotta b kiddin me. im so glad ur a such a weeny u gotta use anonymus names cuz man u r soundin dumber by the comment. im brown nosing huh?? ok. everything i earned was given to me?? ok if u say so. i guess i brown nosed all the other league coaches that voted me first team all-league at qb and db again? i guess i brown nosed the coaches from cif that voted me first team db as well.o and i guess i begged Aram to put me on the all-valley team as a db too?? thats koo. we will see how much was given to me 3 years from now. wow u r really sumthin. come on this blog and show ur true colors. i just hope u rnt who i think u r cuz that would be sad.

to OMG,
wow!!! u gotta b kiddin me. im so glad ur a such a weeny u gotta use anonymus names cuz man u r soundin dumber by the comment. im brown nosing huh?? ok. everything i earned was given to me?? ok if u say so. i guess i brown nosed all the other league coaches that voted me first team all-league at qb and db again? i guess i brown nosed the coaches from cif that voted me first team db as well.o and i guess i begged Aram to put me on the all-valley team as a db too?? thats koo. we will see how much was given to me 3 years from now. wow u r really sumthin. come on this blog and show ur true colors. i just hope u rnt who i think u r cuz that would be sad.

to OMG,
wow!!! u gotta b kiddin me. im so glad ur a such a weeny u gotta use anonymus names cuz man u r soundin dumber by the comment. im brown nosing huh?? ok. everything i earned was given to me?? ok if u say so. i guess i brown nosed all the other league coaches that voted me first team all-league at qb and db again? i guess i brown nosed the coaches from cif that voted me first team db as well.o and i guess i begged Aram to put me on the all-valley team as a db too?? thats koo. we will see how much was given to me 3 years from now. wow u r really sumthin. come on this blog and show ur true colors. i just hope u rnt who i think u r cuz that would be sad.

to OMG,
wow!!! u gotta b kiddin me. im so glad ur a such a weeny u gotta use anonymus names cuz man u r soundin dumber by the comment. im brown nosing huh?? ok. everything i earned was given to me?? ok if u say so. i guess i brown nosed all the other league coaches that voted me first team all-league at qb and db again? i guess i brown nosed the coaches from cif that voted me first team db as well.o and i guess i begged Aram to put me on the all-valley team as a db too?? thats koo. we will see how much was given to me 3 years from now. wow u r really sumthin. come on this blog and show ur true colors. i just hope u rnt who i think u r cuz that would be sad.

to OMG,
wow!!! u gotta b kiddin me. im so glad ur a such a weeny u gotta use anonymus names cuz man u r soundin dumber by the comment. im brown nosing huh?? ok. everything i earned was given to me?? ok if u say so. i guess i brown nosed all the other league coaches that voted me first team all-league at qb and db again? i guess i brown nosed the coaches from cif that voted me first team db as well.o and i guess i begged Aram to put me on the all-valley team as a db too?? thats koo. we will see how much was given to me 3 years from now. wow u r really sumthin. come on this blog and show ur true colors. i just hope u rnt who i think u r cuz that would be sad.

to OMG,
wow!!! u gotta b kiddin me. im so glad ur a such a weeny u gotta use anonymus names cuz man u r soundin dumber by the comment. im brown nosing huh?? ok. everything i earned was given to me?? ok if u say so. i guess i brown nosed all the other league coaches that voted me first team all-league at qb and db again? i guess i brown nosed the coaches from cif that voted me first team db as well.o and i guess i begged Aram to put me on the all-valley team as a db too?? thats koo. we will see how much was given to me 3 years from now. wow u r really sumthin. come on this blog and show ur true colors. i just hope u rnt who i think u r cuz that would be sad.

to OMG,
wow!!! u gotta b kiddin me. im so glad ur a such a weeny u gotta use anonymus names cuz man u r soundin dumber by the comment. im brown nosing huh?? ok. everything i earned was given to me?? ok if u say so. i guess i brown nosed all the other league coaches that voted me first team all-league at qb and db again? i guess i brown nosed the coaches from cif that voted me first team db as well.o and i guess i begged Aram to put me on the all-valley team as a db too?? thats koo. we will see how much was given to me 3 years from now. wow u r really sumthin. come on this blog and show ur true colors. i just hope u rnt who i think u r cuz that would be sad.

Glendora is going to have two BIG spots to fill...

The QB and RB spot!

Edmond was the franchise at Glendora and their QB position really needs a leader!

Glendora is going to have two BIG spots to fill...

The QB and RB spot!

Edmond was the franchise at Glendora and their QB position really needs a leader!

Glendora is going to have two BIG spots to fill...

The QB and RB spot!

Edmond was the franchise at Glendora and their QB position really needs a leader!

I'm pretty sure Coach P took Ayala to the CIF Finals twice in the mid to late ninetys, if you have a CIF Finals program from this year, you can verify that.....so I wouldn't exactly say one and done every year....maybe thats all the them Glendora boys got? He runs the same offense he did at Ayala. Didn't he coach someone else around these parts?? I doubt he had a losing record there either......I wanna say I was the first to coin the phrase "Coach Shottenheimer" back in the fall, at least I remember it that way. I feel bad about that know...but not that bad......hey tartan4life thanks for the info, I woulda never bet that they won a CIF championship in football.......89 huh?, Our (DB) last one was in '99, and that feels like a long time ago.....

Chase#6,
Get a life and and quit brown noses rowland coaches they already gave you what you didn't earn or what you didn't deserve so shut up why your ahead.Those coaches were a joke this year but i am really happy for john martin (class act)he'll do just fine over there at db, is long as synder and robinson come back rowland is in big trouble.

The last time Glendora was good was during Dean Karnoski's reign. 5 baseline league titles in a row 89-94. 1 cif title in 89 and 2 more semi appearances, plus two more quarters. They had tough players like JJ O'laughlin, Bill Zernickow, Chris West, Bobby Baeza and Kurt Bowman. These guys weren't big, or fast but they would hit you and they played like thier coach. Coach Karnoski rest in peace. You were the Best!

Mike you make some very valid points on Pasquerella. That program is stuck right about where a Pasqie coached team is going to be and have been in the past.Too bad because he has so much potential. I think you were saying that it is time to step it up a notch and prove that he can get pass a first round appearance.

A.T.

I moved to Glendora during the last three years of A.D. Lopez's tenure who by the way was 18-33-1 in five seasons.

I think A.T. what your saying is....

"But hey Mike the Clone, isn't “Pasqy� an improvement over Lopez?"

Well yes.... I'll give "Pasqy Schottenheimer" a pass the first two years. But by your third year you should have your program in place the kids settled into your program along with your conditioning and weight training programs.

The problem I have is...there is a pattern with him everywhere he goes.... One and Done. I truthfully believe he is not getting the most out of the kids. Nothing personal just a philosophical difference I have with him.

Also Glendora has a staff that is a "Good Old Boy's Club" a lot of guy's most of whom went to Glendora and that's all they know. I guess you can almost say complacent.

But with that said you then run into the problem of economics where young coach's use the high school level as a stepping-stone and move on to assistance jobs or better yet head coaching jobs and teaching jobs.

The days of the Coaches like "Coach Lou" are basically over. It’s getting harder and harder to find loyal coaches who are willing to take a few thousand dollars and dedicate the time needed to have a successful program, and Aram you above all should know about tradition rich programs (Temple City).

But yes “Bagpiper U� has evolved, but I’ll say it again don’t sell these Glendora kids short they have the desire and the heart they just need the right direction.

So “Coach P Schottenheimer� put a guy upstairs who can help you with a game plan and put the headset on yourself, get some input from others and get creative. Use your time outs effectively instead of looking down to the ground and up in the air deciding which way the wind blows. These Glendora kids are willing to lay it on the field for you, just give them half a chance and surround yourself with good people. No one is asking for your head on the chopping block or willing to see you to fail, we just want to see you and the kids succeed.

Out!

Mike the Clone

Mike, I'd luv to see how you act in front of Coach Shottenheimer. I'm picturing him blowing you off, but I wonder how hard he would slam into your place back in the old basement....

Did Glendora have a string of league championships before he came on the scene?? I KNOW THEY DIDNT HAVE ANY CIF STRING OF CHAMPIONSHIPS....He's probably getting the most he can outta these kids of yours....Wait, wait, I know,...your right, and everybody who actually has a say in the hiring and firing is simply wrong........What was I thinking questioning you?? Cuz your the "all knowing"........well no wait a sec,........your a nobody (just like the rest of us)questioning a proven winner coach.

Coach P is all about running the ball. Thats the first step in football. If thats how he's gonna play it, you have to have a stifling defense, so you dont fall behind and look like pop warner kids trying to pass the ball. Your boys just couldn't play that way in week 11.

YOUR NOT GETTING A NEW HEAD COACH. He's staying, he's a good fit. You have a good thing going. If your so goddamn smart, how can you not see that????????

Your Pal, Randolio

Anybody else catch the DB-Damien bb game last night? Great game, they were tied at 11 after 1. They were tied at 24 at half. They were tied at 34 at the end of 3. DB had the ball, with 22 seconds left in the game down by 3, but could not get off a final shot.

That Griff hit some big shots going down the wire, and prior to that he must of had at least 10 assists that seemed to pull the Spartans out of every bind they got into. He cuts to the hoop, the D stops his drive, but he dishes out to the open man WHEREVER he is down low, and they score. Very smooth. DB kept Riley from getting off, he seemed frustrated at the end.

Damien will get run off the court against a faster team with alittle more poise next week. DB blew some fast break turnover points, and hit maybe 50 percent from the free throw line. They may have cut their own throats too with some indecision handling the ball. BUT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF! They took the supposed best team in league to the last minute of the game, after going 2-8 last year at this time.

One game at a time, we gotta bag Chino tomorrow, then get ready for the playoffs next week.

Get us there CAM!!!!

Mike the Clone,

You're the man, but do you have any idea how Glendora was doing before Pasqy got there?

Cop/Coach

Todd is a great kid, he probably could play at the JC level or maybe a small school somewhere. But his size is a factor, Sounds like he doesn't have the desire. I'm sure whatever Todd decides I'm sure he will be just fine. Great kid!

The one thing about this years team was that while they all may not have been the most talented bunch they all worked very hard and went through a lot of adversity. Some of which I have mentioned here before (i.e. game prep/planning, personnel moves.)

One thing about the Glendora kids they work hard, and dedicate themselves.It's just a shame. some sell these kids short.

Not once in this blog have you heard about "Bagpiper U" recruiting or a bunch of "so called" prep stars knocking the door down to get into Glendora.......nah the Glendora kids know the deal. Besides who wants one or two "self serving" super stars when you can work as a team and acheive a team goal and enjoy the high school football experience.

You work hard and apply yourself, your gonna get noticed no matter where your playing. Beleive me I know.

An old roomate of mine was on the staff at Arizona State and ask me about Jacob Crook a couple years back, now there is a perfect example. Glendora wasn't exactly a big named football school but Crook was recruited nationally out of "Bagpiper U". I remember bumping into Pete Carroll on the Glendora campus after tossing the ball around with Crook. It doesn't get any better recruiting wise than playing catch with coach Carroll.

I'll take the "bust your asses" Glendora kids anytime..I can only imagine if my "bagpipers" had a head coach and staff who can get them to the next level.

It all comes down to coaching doesn't it?

Late!

Mike the Clone

fa sho. i guess ima have to put on a show then. to show u that i really am the valleys best two-sport star.lol!!! u r gonna be pleasantly surprised when u see that im a true basketball player too.o and rowland doesnt lose league titles at home!! well at least not since gordon and cliff hamlow have been there. and i dont plan on that changin!!! thats so funny south hills won!!!
we bailed em out by losin to small nut i mean walnut!! but hey thats high school sports for ya. see ya there then!! gotta go to sleep now.this is why im not signing my letter of intent tomorrow. stayin up on aram's blog all night!!! jk!!! ill bee somewhere soon ull see. its just i happen to go to Rowland everyone seems to get missed there. im just gonna have to shop myself around. i'll make it happen though im determined.

The fat man will be at Rowland vs. West Covina on Thursday night, when hopefully the wacked out SAL will get figured out.

yeah it was pretty serious i'll tell u about it next time i see u i guess.come to ROWLAND tHURSDAY OR D-BAR/DAMIEN THAT SHOULD BE GOOD TOO.

O and Aram u could have done more b-ball blogs. and i had an idea. u could've done an over and under for troy draves(from wilson) on how many points he was gonna score kinda like the aaron harris one. just a thought. and b-ball hasnt exactly been that boring u shouldve just kept up with it since the preseason but dont trip ur still doin a helluva job. da raiderrs will double as league champs b-ball and football!! watch. and our cif division is wide opn so WATCH OUT.(JUST SCRATCH THAT WALNUT LOSS...EVERY DOG HAS HIS DAY)

I don't know what the Christmas lights comment was about, but if my boy P-Chase says it was low, it's gone. Gracias.

I'm so happy for Coach Martin. He really deserves this. I know he'll do well.But for the person talkin about coach snyder and coach robinson all i can say is get a life. there is no football program at rowland if it were not for those two and Mr. thomas Aney. The success we did have these past two years at Rowland was in large part because of them. yeah i would have liked to open it up a little bit but hey they stucked with what has worked for them for um....lets see 20+ years now. so whoever wrote that is ignorant and the christmas lights line was a real low blow. im just happy he is all right. what a punk.

aram please! excuses!!!

well kevin love also lives in oregon

Hey Mike the Clone.

Todd Bruno told me that he is giving up on football. That is a shame. I'm not going to quit pestering him on it.

Great to hear about the Glendora kids getting "all league" props. I am really glad to see Robert Horn and Jared McGarry getting recognized. I coached both of them in little league. Both could hit the snot out of the ball.

Seven (7) hits on Kevin Love.....it is just not as intresting as football...then Baseball will come around and Football will still be getting more hits as summer approaches.....you know where the popularity lies.....I dont see anyone that is dominating the SGV in Boys BB......Glendora used to have the teams and Amat held their own....West Covina got their coach and made some noise but what our valley is lacking is that one kid that stands out from the rest and is dominating the BB scene and colleges are coming out to see this kids and so are the fans and this blog is lighting up because of this kid....well there is no one out there like that in SGV.........not even close.....I even think Girls BB is allot more intresting then the boys right now.....Amat 2 state titles playing teams like Bishop Montgomery for 1st place tonite...that gets some intrest but it is not football.....SGV is a football town....BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

Good move db john martin well do a good job over there,he would of done a way better job this year at rowland if he was the head coach rather than that donkey snyder,good luck john your in a much better place.

Hoops fan,

I've started basketball threads and they get a minimal amount of hits/comments. I've started threads about other sports and they got even less.
You're more than welcome to go thru this blog's archives and see how well all topics did. In fact, start in April/May and tell me how all the sports did compared to football.
It's not me, it's the readers. The threads have been there and they don't get nearly the same interest.
I hope all of you remember that this blog is not the print edition of the Tribune, nor is it the online version. It's something completely separate.

b-ballsux.....in other words this blog should just pertain to what "YOU" like. NBA b-ball is very boring to watch....Why? Because you say so. I thought the host was a "SPORTS" editor. Not just football. Like I said, I'm a big football fan.....at the same time I'm a big b-ball fan and would like to more coverage on it. I don't expect to see as much coverage as football but c'mon.....he can put in a little more effort.

Football blog will go on til the season starts up again...Basketball gets no attention because it is just not a big draw...The NBA is lucky it is surviving right now...VERY BORING TO WATCH!...dont knock the Host here us bloggers love to talk football.....actually seems like this blog was founded on football...I guess once the HS BBplayoffs start there might be some intrest but not now. We want to know where are football teams are headed as far as transfers errrrrrrrrr recruits........coaching etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge football fan.....but it's basketball season. Aram, it's obvious your a football fan and not much of a hoops fan but c'mon, write about basketball. How come I never see blogs on Basketball coaches getting fired or hired in the off season. Just so you understand....you do a great job of covering football.....but a lousy job of covering basketball. It's the end of the season and you don't even have a player of the year blog or coach of the year blog up yet. What's the deal?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge football fan.....but it's basketball season. Aram, it's obvious your a football fan and not much of a hoops fan but c'mon, write about basketball. How come I never see blogs on Basketball coaches getting fired or hired in the off season. Just so you understand....you do a great job of covering football.....but a lousy job of covering basketball. It's the end of the season and you don't even have a player of the year blog or coach of the year blog up yet. What's the deal?

Greetings!

I am Mike the Clone and you are Not!

A.T.

Are you kidding me..."Pasqy Shottenheimer"...... "Savvy"? You must be drinking from the "button wearers" Kool-Aid punch bowl.

I mean come on Aram anybody can figure this guy out and the “pop warner� game plan he brings to Friday nights…. there's nothing "savvy" about him at all.

If it weren’t for a bunch of dedicated of kids at Bagpiper U "Pasqy Shottenheimer" would be coaching at some cellar dweller doormat like Mark Keppel

2006 was another year with untapped talent and another year of one and done...

Hey "button wearers" consider raising the bar next year and quit selling these kids short and set the second round as a goal. eeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... But then again, getting to the second round just might expose your beloved "Pasqy Shottenheimers" savvy weaknesses even more.

But on a nicer, calmer Mike the Clone note:

It was nice to see at the banquet Todd Bruno, Garrett Crook, and Jared "MAC", receive some props from coaches in the league.

I am Out!

Good Night Now!

Mike the Clone

Oh we'll be much better this year....we gotta have 15-16 returning starters coming back. 4 of out 5 O-linemen, the QB...both receivers too....oh yeah....we'll be making some noise. We may not run away with league, but anyone who knows Sierra league football, knows we're knocking on the door....and we're about to kick it in!

Now Diamond Bar is back. There is plenty of talent coming up in Diamond Bar. The Pop Warner program is strong and the talent on campus should put DB back on top. Good luck Coach!

I glad the brahmas finally named a new head coach. Martin is young (32) with head coaching experience. They made a mistake not hiring the former Orange hs Coach Greg Gibson 2 years ago who now is the new head coach at San Juan Hills a new school in the OC. Hopefully Martin can bring back the brahmas to being a winning program. The sierra league will be down next year overall.

I'll add a quick Aram thought to the thread. Look at it in the original post.

Ah, Coach Martin. Now things could really get interesting at DB over the next few yrs. For all the yrs i remember watching Rowland play, they were NEVER a slouch thats for sure! I must say, not a bad choice at all!!

Your comments Aram??

preston hoppers

they run this week.

SIERRA LEAGUE ALL LEAGUE HONORS
FROM GLENDORA

1ST TEAM
Todd Bruno
Joe Castelton
Garrett Crook
Jordan Edmond
Robert Horn
Jared McGarry

2nd TEAM
Brendan Hoppers
Chris Kovar
Tim Ortiz
Brandon Popineau
Jake Vega

HONORABLE MENTION
Ryan Escalara

ARAM,
When do we get to see all the schools ALL LEAGUE LISTS?