SEMI-BREAKING NEWS: South Hills soph QB leaves, likely headed to St. Paul ...

You suck who ever said that highschools are unintelligent,well sir you suck.

sincerly,
nick

(p.s. don't let the door hit you on the way out.)

You suck who ever said that highschools are unintelligent,well sir you suck.

sincerly,
nick

(p.s. don't let the door hit you on the way out.)

I couldn't help but to put my two cents in...

First of all, I have to admit that being a part of the "Amat Family" is a love/hate relationship.
Like all schools, as a parent you must hurdle the politics, and as an athlete you must hurdle the mind games the coaches play.

When DiFiori was coaching, I initially thought he was a jerk and was an idiot in terms of the calls that were made during the game. After he left and Verti was hired, I found out that DiFiori was allowing Verti to call the offensive plays. In turn, DiFiori took the heat for this and it eventually cost him his job as head coach. I'm not saying it was the only thing, but part of the reason.

DiFiori had an excellent relationship with visiting college recruiters. Once Verti signed on, this changed. Verti's ego is very big. He is also obviously young...too young to be a head coach and have the experience and knowledge needed to communicate, lead and LISTEN to input from others and wear the many hats that is necessary from a head coach.

Our family learned first hand how the recruiting process worked. The help came from the other coaches at Amat, not Verti. The assistant coaches will record a DVD specifically with highlights of that particular player so that the player can mail to colleges. Help also came from past players who had close ties to other colleges and universities. There is alot of networking between coaches. If your son is not a "DIV. I" player or over 5'10", they are looked over the majority of the time. The head coach at Amat determines what player will be the "spotlight" player for the media and colleges. It's all to promote the school. If the player is not of the Division I level (according to Amat standards), it is his and his family's responsibility to get to the next level. Skill players will receive letters from many colleges and universities, but ultimately, these letters are to get the players interest in attending that school, not because
of their playing ability.

After saying this, I must mention that the "LOVE" side of being a part of the Amat family. It includes meeting a great group of parents. The Amat staff is "stuffy" at times, to say the least, but I must tip my hat to the mothers and fathers of the football players (past and present)...they are an integral part of the football program and our family enjoyed our time together witnessing "our boys" playing under the Friday Night Lights, waiting outside the locker room for each player (skilled or not)to walk out into the massive group of supporters, and the infamous tailgate parties that continue well into the night. It doesn't get any better that.

Who are the top ten qbs in San Gabriel Valley history? Rank them.

Who are the top ten qbs in San Gabriel Valley history? Rank them.

Who are the top ten qbs in San Gabriel Valley history? Rank them.

Yes Webster was a better hoopster than anything else. Captain and (probably) MVP in the mid '70s. He's in South OC and his kids were pretty good ballers too.

Ahh, the Golden State Basketball Days - and the visits to the Covina gym by the Harlem Clowns (Globetrotters minor leaguers). Now we've got kids running around with that funny green/blue NJB ball.

Butler and Primante played baseball too, no? At least through the youth days.

The other two names I don't recall - but they say the mind is the second thing to go.

I don't remember the first!

This blog has gone stale.

joe amat

you mentioned the name del webster, sounds very famialar to me, goldenstate basketball maybe? bill butler, val primante, randy delva, rory pernot,do these ring a bell?

JC,

Ditto to all that. That took me all the way back. That was definately a different day. I've previously mentioned my old fondness for the Colts from watching Doc Sooters teams with big Rodney Littlepage, seeing Bill Walton play in the Covina gym in the Christmas Tournament to Del Webster then thru the days of the Moore twins and the championship days of Wolak to Impastato. So deep down I may be part Colt.

I remember throwing oranges in the field on the corner of San Bernardino and Hollenbeck, playing in the old Little League field across the street from CHS (now the townhomes) and chasing foul balls in the adjacent City Yard for a hamburger and a coke, pitching nickels against the steps at Hollenbeck Park and then thinking how amazing it was that the Fox Theater had THREE screens.

Parents do shoulder most of the blame for the "wussification of America" and there's probably a ton of psychobabble to explain why - but we aren't doing them any favors in that regard.

Joe Amat,

There have been many good points made on here regarding the athletes of prior generations vs todays athletes, I can see valid points with both sides of this topic. The one thing that hasnt been mentioned (Or at least I havent seen it) is the style of parenting from generation to generation, my kids are spoiled and its my fault along with the tech advances we didnt have (Computer, Myspace, Ipod, cell phones, texting, video games etc) that I believe make you soft.
Remember when the Atari pong hit our neighborhoods? The kid that had it was BMOC and his room was packed with friends, but that was all we had, just pong. Mainly we played football, wiffle ball, tag, hide n seek, rode our bikes etc and we did this under the street lights on the local cul de sac, I look back on this and think we were better for it and also tougher.
The parenting part comes with our generations parents, specifically the Dads (I still hear stories about Mr Wolak and specifically what he had in store for Jim when he didnt beat Coach Kearns in the turkey trot at Traweek, classic story that has legs to this day). They were tough as nails, usually WWII or Korean Vets that didnt take our crap and instilled a different set of values in us. We owe alot to them and they made us what we are, I cant say we let our kids down since we in no way could be our Dads but every generation that comes along will be a bit softer until the country faces a crisis that forces us to be less indulgent and focused in the same direction as our parents had to be.

Joe Colt

Shftb fan

Guess we won't know till next year will we?

"Next year is even worse. They are replacing El Rancho with who? Oh yeah, South Hills. Just when I though they were trying to upgrade their schedule....."

Yeah, if winning four CIF titles and four consecutive league crowns while having the reputation as one of he top programs in SOuthern California is not your definition of a winning program...just go right ahead and keep on scheduling teams like El Rancho and Cantwell....

Once again, get a life

Justrab,
Your first and last sentences summed up exactly what I was trying to say.

The *great* ones, given the same tools of today - might still be great.

And, you are right, Tanner may have been the best. Had he not blown out his knee at USC we might still be talking about him on the gridiron or the diamond.

Comparing 70’s players or 80’s players to today is difficult due to single sport emphasis, completely different conditioning and a general rule that today’s athletes are getting larger. In the early 80’s if you were 6”3 275 OT you would be a monster and today kids from the valley are more commonly 6’5” 310. That said, if you took say a Randy Tanner (Amat 84) and let him play one sport and Patricio actually had us lift weight like they do today, I would say he (Tanner) would transcend 90, 00 and beyond. Randy Tanner may be (my biased) one of the least known players because he played three sports (all league and valley) in all three sophomore year and would probably been Amat’s best sprinter, but could not play four sports in one season. Amat could have played him on varsity, but the school frowned on playing freshman on varsity. A side note, why Patricio did not let him run the Amat veer option in 81 is beyond me as Tim “bummy” Garcia was good, but Randy was a prototypical option quarterback. Oh well that loss to Marina (HB) in 81 still hurts...

The valley has had guys like Winford Roberson (West Covina 79) who simply had the basic (size, speed and natural athleticism). I am sure there are many more, but if these guys could focus and have the benefit of today’s conditioning I have no doubt they could play and had the size and speed to not only compete, but play with anyone.

Certainly there were LBs that played at 5’7” 175 in the 60’s that might get crushed today, but I don’t think that you could say all “old school” guys would have problems in today’s world. I would, however, say that while Amat’s passing attack of 69-71, Los Altos 73 -80 (Hertel, Smith #1 and Smith #2) probably were as good as the valley may every say the OL and DL would get killed with the monsters of today, so unless those guys has some “wheels”, which they did not, they would fall victim to the size of today’s players. I think the real issue revolves around individuals versus teams and I would say many individuals of yesteryear could do their “thing” today, but teams would be much harder pressed to play their game.

73,
Kind of rhetorical statement regarding the yearbook. Don't know if I could find the box that mine are in either. The point was just to use the look test. Athletes of the '70's vs athletes of today. At any level.

After you mentioning the players that you did, guys like Cromwell and Lewenthal are exactly the kind of players we are discussing. Two of the toughest and best around that would break you in half. But if the average fan didn't know the players when lining them up across from another saftey or linebacker of today, most would bet that the bigger, stronger, faster players of today might come out on top of that matchup. But you and I know that toughness and heart do matter - I'm not disputing that one bit.

But those 3 teams you mentioned playing in front of a packed crowd at MSAC every home game is the reason that people at amat are as passionate as we are. People just can't undersatnd, and maybe we shouldn't expect them to.

Gramps,
We agree on many of your points, and I've stated some of them before. But I don't have CRS to the point that I can't be realistic and honest either. Like you I used to walk 3 miles to elementary school in the Southern California snow uphill both ways and every time I talk about high school I get better. I don't disagree with you that "...these today kids do not work as hard as yesterdays kids...". No grandkids yet (that hurt!) but my kids, who were pretty good players, have had teamates like you describe - and the sad part is that those kids don't recognize the difference.

And I never even implied that players of today, "...would outplay and out manuver the 70's players..." and I might just agree with you that, "...those 70's players would have knocked his teeth out....."
BUT
I stand by my very first comment, which was simply,
"...but generally I've gotta say that the present day athlete is more *physically* gifted.... " Period.

Now if you took those bigger, faster, stronger athletes of today and gave them the intangibles of the old school players you remember, and put them under the tutelage of the those legendary coaches with the technology that is available today (video, internet, training equipment and techniques) and we would be talking about some pretty great football to watch on Friday nights...Then Saturdays...And Sundays.

The kids of today have no discipline like the 70's kids. 70's kids played and practice til sundown, went home showered, ate, slept, and did it all over again the next day. Todays kid is as fat as a hog. Computers internet access, Ipods, big Screen tvs, Hand held games, central air. With all that who the heck wants to go outside and play catch anymore?.....these today kids do not work as hard as yesterdays kids. Primadonnas is what you have and they call themselves football players. The real football players were the 70's throwback HS players..I refuse to see this guy Joe Amats point....there were some big boys back in the day that would tear these new kids up....for a older person I think you really need to rethink how you have come up with this thinking of yours. Ok there are some good players out there but to think that they would outplay and out manuver the 70's players is completly crazy....maybe you have a grandson that plays and so do I but I would not put him in that category of better then some of players of the 70's...I even tell him about those days...he dont give a sh--...he thinks he is a bad a-- and he is not.....I also told him those 70's players would have knocked his teeth out..he still dont believe me...but thats todays kid...spoiled and pompous.

Joe,
I would have to tear up my entire garage to find that old year book .Just do not have the time. Reading what Haden said makes a clear point. Practice makes perfect. When you have lemons you make lemonade. Being the passer that he was is why we passed 30 times a game just like a team with a great running back like Blair did with MCallister, will run that many times. I am sure guys like Salter,Keating,Lee Garcia ,Vernisi,Cromwell, would measure up to todays players if not tower over them, not Dan but he out power them. As for the basketball game in question I was definitely there. The good old days.

Joe Amat

Your last two post were two of the best post that I have read on this blog. See people you can write good post with out bashing these kids or there schools.

Joe keep them coming.

Actually, I'm positive that those guys would give the same answer that I gave. I have specifically asked two of them what they think. They agree. A couple have actually said so on TV for all to hear when comparing athletes across eras. They'd lose all credibility if they did not concede that point.

They are honest because they don't have anything to prove. They made it to the highest level and are the 1st to say that todays players are better *athletes*. Look at simple genetics. Haden, Sciarra and McDonald all have son's that are very similiar to them in body type and athleticism, yet were recently very average players in comparison- against other *athletes* of today. Most recently Sciarra's son ended up having a good season at Wagner after not cutting the mustard at UCLA, and McDonalds son held PATs at USC. Neither were scholarship players.

To show some support for what I said before, In an article about Haden and McKay, Gil Brandt, longtime vice president and director of player personnel for the Dallas Cowboys said on NFLHS.com ,
"They were 20 years ahead of their time,. "First, they had good timing. The second thing was that a lot of people didn't know how to defend the passing game. They brought in a different concept of passing in which the routes they ran were far superior to what other people in the country were doing at that time. It was like the Internet vs. the typewriter.
"We were throwing 30-35 times a game," Haden recalled. "Most teams then were throwing 10-12 times a game. We were blessed, because people's defenses weren't quite ready for what we were doing.
"We practiced so much and spent so much time together. I just loved practicing. Every night from mid-June through mid-August, I would get players together - mostly skill-position guys - and we'd work out from 5:30 until 7:30. We'd run pattern after pattern. Life was a lot simpler then."

Not that they were any bigger, stronger, faster, or more athletic than the opponents. The same article said that they both ran a 4.6 40. Are there many elite recievers that now run a 4.6? Would a 4.6 even get a reciever recruited by a DI School?

Great football players of their time...asbsolutely. Great *athletes* in comparison with the top athletes of today - I still say no way.

And 73, Take a look at that brown, leather Tusitala of yours and reflect on the team photos - then compare them with how players look today. But the real important things were different then, as Haden said above. And that's what made us better. We trusted each other and refused to let each other down. On or off the field. We worked hard because the guys next to us deserved our best. And we would go to battle with them to preserve what we believed in. Then we'd support the other teams - and they'd do the same. And speaking of St Paul, we'd clear the bleachers and rush the floor to back up Charlie Jennings when slimey swordsmen Mark Felix used some, let's say, inappropriate language during a basketball game when guarding Charlie (one of the few African-American players in the Angelus League). Were you there fopr that one?

Joe Amat,

Ask Sciarra , McKay, McDonald and Haden that question and they will give you a totally different answer......

Joe Amat,
Joe I think they got you on this one. I would take any of the 69,70,71 teams we had and put them up against anybody and I am sure we would definitly come out on top . Other than the mentioned Haden,McKay,Sciarra there were plenty of others, huge offensive lines and quick defenses not to mention the Bombers of the special teams.

Read my lips,

"...not school specific..."

Nowhere in ANY post did I even imply that this years amat *team* is in any way compared to those of the past. Quite the contrary. However, this years *team* also has to compete against other schools of *this era*. Those schools also have better athletes than their teams in the '70's. Not many 5'9" 160 lb linebackers on the rosters of any really good teams anymore.

Don't get me wrong - Pat was great, and he and JK were a great tandem. Sciarra was a tremendous athlete for his day. He'd play shortstop on the baseball team and go win the 100 yd dash in a home track meet in during the game. Shoot Paul McDonald was pretty good QB a few years after that.

But take those players, *athletically* - which is how the discussion started, and they do not stack up against the best *athletes* of today. If you can argue against that - you are delusional. (Remember the initial statement that I disagreed with "...past players who played hard knock football on pure athletic ability and pure natural enhanced body strength...") If there were SPARQ test back then there would be NO comparison to the scores of today.

That being said, football games are not played on the track, in the weightroom, or using SPARQ tests. Which is why I also mentioned the importance of , "mental toughness, work ethic, confidence, commitment, and all of those other qualities that players of that day may have had over the typical player of today.

Now read that again before you respond. If you need help, scroll down and read previous posts on this thread so you know what has been said and how to respond - intelligently.

Hey that's right...I totally forgot...when a Division 3 school has on it's schedule El Rancho and Cantwell Sacred Heart of Mary (and they are a real titantic power), it doesn't get any better than that....

Get a life

Next year is even worse. They are replacing El Rancho with who? Oh yeah, South Hills. Just when I though they were trying to upgrade their schedule.....

"St. Paul will beat So. Hills. This year and next year. Div. 3 vs. a Div. 6.......come on SH is not that good. See last years collapse to CO. When push comes to shove they lay down and are nowhere to be found. Look at the schedule St. Paul plays and loook at the schedule So. Hills plays. Come on beating up the likes of Walnut, Nogales and Rowland?....where as St. Paul plays Chaminade, Amat and Crespi not to mention St. Francis...no comparison.....SH is living in their past glory...They do have a good team this year with the addition of Wells but who do they play?...when they come up against a good team they will get whacked....La Habra is going to do a number on them in week 2 @ La Habra. La Habra beat them last year and will beat them this year."

Hey that's right...I totally forgot...when a Division 3 school has on it's schedule El Rancho and Cantwell Sacred Heart of Mary (and they are a real titantic power), it doesn't get any better than that....

Get a life

The red hair dye I have will last longer then the day Amat sniffs the playoffs again.....Muntiny on the bounty for Verti.....Have you seen there freshman midget team.....no one over 5'4........Amat is in for a shock come next year......oh my! they are pathetic.....My son Bud has trasfered over to Los Altos.

Joe Amat,

Let me know when when Iglesias, Lenhart or Mclenehan break Pat Hadens records. Also let me know when frankie lopez or even the great dorian wells of SH break any of McKays records....then talk your BS.....also let me know when Amat gets to the playoffs with those "todays players" that are not doing diddly squat!........

Again - not really a school specific discussion we are having.

Let's spin it your way. Are these 3 QB's (now 2) at South Hills anywhere close to Brian Bethke from the '74 team. Could the South Hills teams of today line up with those teams of yesteryear.

Regardless of your answer - my opinion still remains the same. Athletes today in general- regardless of what school we are talking about-are more physically gifted than the best players of the "Al Bundie era"

Now do we agree?

AGAIN THIS TOPIC IS SOUTH HILLS QB LEAVES AND YOU JOKERS FROM AMAT TAKE OVER THIS BLOGG ABOUT AMAT, IT MAKES ME SICK TO HEAR YOU BOTH TALK ABOUT WHOS BETTER THAN WHO FROM AMAT. YOU GUYS NEED YOUR OWN FRIGGIN BLOGG SO YOU CAN DISCUSS AMAT AND HOW GREAT THEY ARE... I BET EVEN THE PLAYERS FROM AMAT ARE ASHAME TO READ ALL THIS TRASH THAT YOU OLD FARTS TALK ABOUT YOUR TIME HAS PAST LET IT GO.... DAM LET THE SEASON START. YOU OLD GUYS REMIND ME OF A BOUNCH OF AL BUNDIES....

OK Percy,

The initial discussion wasn't specific to a particular school/team but a response to,
"...Back then that's when it was real football played. Hard knocks and pride in playing for your school. Todays kids could not hang with those teams of the 70's....all we have now is all these so called wannabe players..."

Let the amat players for the last 6 or 7 years play for Phil Cantwell, Gary Marinovich, or Dennis McLaughlin and things might be a little different on campus. Have them influenced by veteran coaches like Tate Duff, Jim Patricio, Bob Woods, Joe Rodger, Mark Paredes and Tom Salter all the time and attitudes might change. THAT is what is missing on campuses today. Parents may not try to have as much influence because the instant respect would be there. No reason to switch schools if you are playing for the best. amat would not be battling the aforementioned Farrar/Bogan/Gano era

Growing up at that time was different too. Societal changes create different kinds of players today, which speaks to my comment about mental toughness, work ethic, commitment, etc. But present day athletes win the "look-test" in pre-game without a doubt.

It is simply impossible to compare athletes from different eras. Some players may transcend time, but who knows if Bill Russell could deal with Shaq's size and strength. Would Boyd Dowler be a Pro-bowler for todays Green Bay Packers? Could Ty Cobb or Rogers Hornsby hit .400 against todays pitchers? No way.

So JA,...JOE AMAT OR OTHER?

You would take your present day Lancer team (and I will give you Wells) and say they would beat that Pat Haden JK McKay team?....I would beg to differ if your answer is yes....it does not matter what they look like now or what they looked like when they played HS ball. The fact is they got it done and were as you sya ahead of their time....last time I checked Pat Hadens records and JK' McKays records are still in the book?...tell me who has come close to them?...let see Carrillo of last year?...Robles?...Lange?...Shane Russell?...now Lenhart?....I am surprised that you of all people being part of one of those banners in SAC would say todays players are better....No way!...

Master P.
Was a banner contributor myself-so I may have a relatively decent perspective. Been there.

Your argument is the easy one to make, and believe me, would benefit me greatly if I were to agree - but I simply don't.

Big Blue said, "...past players who played hard knock football on pure athletic ability and pure natural enhanced body stregth..."

Pure athletic ability? Pure natural enhanced body strength?

The 3 jerseys that hang from the 70's are Haden, McKay, and Sciarra. Have you ever stood next to any of them? I have. All three. That is not how I would describe any of them.

Next time you see an Atlanta Falcon press conference (and you'll see plenty) take a look at the GM Rich McKay. Yes the Amat graduate Rich McKay - and JK's younger brother. That was pretty much, what John looked like.

Pure athletic...? No. Hard workers, technicians, skilled, confident, metally tough, ahead of their time - maybe

Joe Amat the older you get the more senile and stupid you get....If you are a Amat person go look in your hall of fame and tell me about those 70's banners and players that hang on the wall......I dont see or am going to see any Amat team coming close to that in the near future or lately......your players at Amat today could not carry those 70's players jocks.

Outdated,

The San Diego Chargers and Lyle Alzado?...we are talking HS football players here not the NFL....The seroids of the Chargers and Alzado's era were not touching the HS football circuit yet.....notice how I said yet......and if for a slight chance they were, it was a very few that were taking them....The hits and people laid out in the 70's does not compare to the football of today...Al smoke and mirrors today.....QB clinics and special camps of today........heck 70's players played on pure natural ability and your right mental toughness back then (see the hard hits and kids who played with pain)...today little Johnny get a nail pull and it is off for two weeks.......

just so you know, DEEN is spelled "two ee's and no a" by the way, his lil bro is probally gonna be the frosh qb this year.

and, which "justrab" is that, mike or bob?
look at the name, remember me:) lol

to bad there's no more charley browns to hang out at anymore, unless we go to montebello

"The older I get the better I was". Right?

I'd love to agree about the old-school players, but generally I've gotta say that the present day athlete is more physically gifted. Remember that all of those records that still stand were also set *against* other players who may have been inferior also. It's all relative. I go back to the story I've told here about the gnarly linebacker that I thought was a beast when I was a freshmen, only to dwarf him at an alumni function years later.

Now if we want to debate mental toughness, that might be a different argument altogether.

"Big Blue"

Steroids were running rampant by the 70's in the NFL. Just ask Lyle Alzado. Oops, sorry he's dead.

How about the SD Chargers giving all their players anabolic steroids (pill form) with every meal as a "dietary supplement" in the 60's under head coach Sid Gillmans orders.

"Body building suppliments" are not a magic bullet. You still have to workout to build mass. Just ask your state governer, Arnold.

Whatever is available now, was available then, albeit in a more rudimentary form.

Outdated,
I am surprised you say such a thing. The talent level back then was far superior then todays. Check the record books, lot of the old records still stand and I am sure some are broken by todays players...lets talk players of past and present...Past players had weights and conditioned themself to the fullest.....Todays players have the GNC shops for muscle mass and body building suppliments not to mention Steroid use....Barry Bonds will break the record but is it a true normal body that did that?...uh! No!.......I am talking past players who played hard knock football on pure athletic ability and pure natural enhanced body stregth...those teams from Salesian, LA Wilson, Bishop Amat, St. Paul, LA Banning and Carson, those type players were just natural. Present players are enhanced, better padding, rule changes to protect QB's....it is watered down football. They break records sure they do but they would not have broken records if they played in the 70's...this could be a open debate for others and I am sure some see it your way but I know there are lots out there that see it the 70's way.

"Big Blue"

The old school team spirit may be gone from most today's athletes, but if you think that the players of yesteryear (1970's?) were better athletes than todays athletes, you've lost your mind.
I understand you're old (as am I), and it's a generational ego thing, but the athletes of today are better than years past, and future players will be better than todays.
If it weren't true than the names in the record books wouldn't keep changing.

Justrab / Dan,

Back then that's when it was real football played. Hard knocks and pride in playing for your school. Todays kids could not hang with those teams of the 70's....all we have now is all these so called wannabe players tranferring if the situation is not right for them at their present school instead of sticking it out and playing....lots of rule changes as far as free agency for kids to go where they want and to showcase their skills on a winner if their neighborhood school does not have a decent team... it was not like that back in the 70's...you came, you played ,you won, you lost and those were tough battles.....today it is about what dad is not happy so he tranfers his kid......I guess it is like that due to Colleges handing out Schollies like candy......

Dan,

Point taken, yes South Hills played a great game in the "fog bowl" in 1974 and ended up ranked in the top 5 nationally. However, being an old Valley Vista guy I always wondered how South Hills removed itself from the Sierra League in the late 70's when they had two semi final visits in the 70's and a number of other visits to the playoffs in the old 4AAAA days. They should not have been allowed to drop, but as I recall one principal head of the CIFSS. Old school news, but South Hills and to an extent Los Altos should be in D2. Added Triva, if anyone thinks Amat is bad now, between 1975 and 1980 they had no CIF visits, but in the year St. Paul played Los Altos in the 4AAAA finals they lost 13 to 6 to St Paul. The two schools always play tough even when one is week.

i have just one question concerning shhs...
once Dean leaves who take over? you said his senior year will be a rebuilding but rebuilding for who? what there freshman this year look like?

Justrab,
That was interesting trivia on South Hills & West Covina & Edgewood, I was living in Whittier back then so I didn't follow West Covina at the time. I also didn't realize they were that strong in those days, There is one thing I have to disagree with & that is that South Hills does
have some fond memories of 4a football, in 1974
they won the CIF 4A championship game with a 20 to 12 win over St.John Bosco.

Give me an example of this so called "hype" you accuse me of doing about this upcoming season...

There is only one bluorca so you better be accurate...

I'll wait.

"Your right let the games begin.....screw all the BS and may the best team represent. If Amat falls on their keester like everyone predicts it will not come as a surprise.......The heavy hitters like SH, LA, Glendora and CO are the ones that have to step up and prove all of their button wearers were right...and if not this blog is going to have them for lunch and dinner.......Amat is supposed to go down the toilet early......."

Yep, there is a lot of pressure on some of those schools to deliver to the hype. If Amat jells as a team and delivers a good seaason despite all the issues they have faced and does it quietly and does it on the field then I'll be the first to congratulate them. But if Orca, MTW and others continue to hype and pound the drum and Amat does not deliver as hyped then I'll be the first in line to take my shots. :)

Anti-Amat,

Your right let the games begin.....screw all the BS and may the best team represent. If Amat falls on their keester like everyone predicts it will not come as a surprise.......The heavy hitters like SH, LA, Glendora and CO are the ones that have to step up and prove all of their button wearers were right...and if not this blog is going to have them for lunch and dinner.......Amat is supposed to go down the toilet early.......

"I was told by some players that the Amat coaches, Verti and Adamek that played on the last championship team for Amat were told that year that they would go 3-7...one never knows what team can show up. It is not about the star stud players (they do help) but it is about how a TEAM plays together and jells.....you get the right combination with a team and unlock it, it can surprise allot of teams and it could do damage."

Well said. This board is filled with too many myopic button wearers and all their BS.

Just shut up and play, right?

St. Paul versus South Hills...hmmm

Yes, I believe the last time they met was one of the last years South Hills played in the Big Five (4AAAA at the time) in the Semi Finals. South Hills lost and St. Paul went on to play Los Altos in the finals (1977) which I believe Los Altos won. A bit of Trivia Los Altos only loss (bad) was to West Covina in the old Siera League (Los Altos, West Covina, Edgewood, Wilson, Rowland and South Hills.)

South Hills dropped to 3A the next year (Valle Vista) and had something like 10 league championships. The Sierra itself was lowered to 3A in 1981 although they still were competitive. The enrollments for most of they SGV old Sierra League schools are within 10% of their 4A days so I don't know how we accept that SGV schools should play in such a low division IV and V. West Covina is almost twice as large when it was in 4AAAA and has all of West Covina. Had West Covina had Edgewoods speed in the 70's they would have ruled the Big 5.

More trivia...Bogan was at Edgewood (assistant) in 1977 in one of the few years that they made the playoffs only to be blown out by the beast fromt he east (Fontucky).

I don't think that South Hills has fond memories of 4A or St. Paul as they got a little beat up in that game.

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I was told by some players that the Amat coaches, Verti and Adamek that played on the last championship team for Amat were told that year that they would go 3-7...one never knows what team can show up. It is not about the star stud players (they do help) but it is about how a TEAM plays together and jells.....you get the right combination with a team and unlock it, it can surprise allot of teams and it could do damage.

I think for anyone that understands foothball the first 2 games are usually the barometer on what the weaknesses are and what are the strengths. Those games are usually the measuring stick to what needs to be worked on. They usually set the tone for the year. No one is saying they have to win but a good showing is what is warranted by the Amat faithful. I am sure they will get better as the year progresses.

I dont believe that Amat should base too much emphasis on the first two games. I've seen teams come out steaming and then plunder in the end.

They should take it game by game with the emphasis to work hard and get better for each game.

Amat could come out and lose both games and then thunder at the end. Or they could come out and surprise everybody for all their hard work, win the first two and barely do well the rest.

Indicator, I think not. They will get better, just give them a lot hard time.

Ah yes the SP vs Lancer Rivalry, been watching the rivalry since 83 and let me tell you Sports Illustrated hit the nail on the head as it was billed as one of the biggest HS Rivalry in the Nation (next to Garfield/Roosevelt rivalry).

Throw out all the W-L records, you will witness some hard hitting, a very physical and far from a friendly game. Best money $5 will buy for pure entertainment.

St. Paul will beat So. Hills. This year and next year. Div. 3 vs. a Div. 6.......come on SH is not that good. See last years collapse to CO. When push comes to shove they lay down and are nowhere to be found. Look at the schedule St. Paul plays and loook at the schedule So. Hills plays. Come on beating up the likes of Walnut, Nogales and Rowland?....where as St. Paul plays Chaminade, Amat and Crespi not to mention St. Francis...no comparison.....SH is living in their past glory...They do have a good team this year with the addition of Wells but who do they play?...when they come up against a good team they will get whacked....La Habra is going to do a number on them in week 2 @ La Habra. La Habra beat them last year and will beat them this year.

"Rumor becomes reality..Saint Paul vs. South Hills week 5 2008"

Have these 2 teams ever met before?

"OK all of you St. Paul fans, rumor from 645 S. Barranca St. is that South Hills has contacted both St. Paul and Mater Dei with the distinct possibility of playing them next season...the week of the game has not been determined, but if SH plays St. Paul....should be a very interesting game.

Rumor becomes reality..Saint Paul vs. South Hills week 5 2008

With the slime coming to the dump it sounds like a stinky game. With all the money these Private schools ask for and one is slime and one is a dump......go figure?

Just asking ,
Yes that is our beloved Kiefer Stadium. It serves the purpose and if you have never been to a game there take my advise and make sure you go to the sp game and witness what a high school rivalery is all about. Make sure you get there early.

I smell Slime and its only mid-July! The Pit must be leaking again!

The Dawgs vs. the Slime is going to be an awesome game. Throw out records, divisions, the past, etc. On Amat's homecoming night, battle between bitter rivals will ensue...for the 39th time!

Now where did I leave my Lysol? =)

Photos of Lancer Legends Football Camp are at...

www.bishopamat.org/football

*note* You have to click on the " >> more" tab directly below the group photo.

Ditto on day one its we can struggle but dont lose to Amat. lol All my neighbors went to Amat and we have been to the game together the last couple of years its been a good time (not for me though). I am hoping we can come out of there with a W! it will be a packed house.

Just asking,

It is the dump on the campus that is named Keifer Stadium....But for a dump this place gets packed like no other.......Road games Amat packs stadiums......ask SP what that attendance looked like last year...standing room only........

"Kiefer Stadium"

Is this the bleachers-on-one-side dump that is on campus, or is there some nice off campus stadium you amaters play at?

SGV Pride,

We also hate the SLIME and it is all in good competitive nature. This years game is going to be a good one seeing it is homecoming and all at Keifer that nite. What a better way for St. Paul to spoil the party. No one knows at this point what either team has or how the injury report shakes out leading into this game. Last year being game one everyone was tight and it was played in the PIT...Grigsby was all over the place and Amat just squeeked it out. St. Paul had added some new players from different schools and Amat has lost some key players but do not seemed too bothered by it because some juniors have stepped in and look good out there, but that is still a guess come a real game situation same I am sure holds true for the Swordsmen. It will be a battle. May the best team on that nite win.....Our young men from day one of Freshman football are taught never to lose to St. Paul.

Being a SP supporter believe it or not I live in the SGV and hate Amat (jokingly) as I went to SP but I would really like them to do well. It is something public schools will never understand the respect that and the good banter that goes on between all the parochial schools. We can sit here all day and have a pissing contest but no one will really know how good there team is until the season starts. Anyway alot of my Amat buddies are looking forward to the war at Kiefer. I am sure it will be a dandy. Any takes on that one? Please just football talk not here for a pissing contest.

It does not matter with the haters of Amat Football, they are what they are. It just seems like for a team like Amat that is hated by so many why is it that we pack our stadiun like no other in the SGV come our home games on Friday nites. Win or lose this team and all the teams before them have a following of fans boosters and alumni. The support of the SGV comes out to Kiefer Stadium and watches this Amat team play even on a bad year, this HS team has followers and that goes for something. People of all generations flock to Amat on Friday nites. This is what the haters hate about Amat. This is D1 football and thats the closest you are going to get to a college game come friday nites in the SGV. Heck their band is small and not even worth a lick but people keep coming to watch their football team play. Go to a Los Altos game or go to a CO or SH game then come to a Amat game...Big Differance.

At first I was amazed and not very happy to see all of the Amat haters come out of their holes, so many of them, such short time... a bit surprised since this blog first emerged. Looking at the brighter side of things this could work out in their favor....more fuel to proof all the hate mongers and critics wrong....so Lancer FB players just play Lancer Football and win with class, just win baby!

SGV Pride you could not have said it any better than that. First two games is the true indicator of Amats season. In comparison to other players of the past and the statemnt of Amat Skilled players and mediocre it is true there is no Minor or McCutchen on the team but then again most around most campuses are mediocre. So it will be mediocre vs mediocre. There are some good one out there but not really much as far as SGV is concerned. A playoff round for Amat this year is a giant step in the right direction and a huge accomplishment for this coaching staff based on having mediocre players.

Funny how you mention Kory and Daylon ran into them last week and said that Amat was struggling keepingkids and that the players as far as skill level were mediocre in comparison to years past. Kory bought a Dominos Pizza place out in the IE, right on. Anyhow all they had to say that the first 2 games of the season will tell all. It looks to be a trying season this year. It well definitley be up to the coaching staff. you never know Amat might surprise alot of people and that would be a good thing.

With all the Hype surrounding SH as the State champion and LA as the recruiting team of the year and Amat as the doormat for all to step on. Amat is going to surprise allot of the haters, gossipers and critics. Most think this team is done before they even take the field and that is all speculation. Amat has a strong and healthy and talented group this year. The coaching did do a about face from last year and the staff has also brought in some alumnis from the past to come in and work with this team.. Kory Minor, Daylon McCutchen, Chris Rix, plus coach Taylor have all had a hand in this team somewhere along the line this year and the Kids are developing into some real hungry players. It is a matter of time before Amat turns it around and this is the year they will do it.

For people to say that Amat will never be the same in the SGV, I have to totally agree with you. Amat will never be the same, and I don't think they should aim to be the way they were. Instead, I believe they will be better. If they keep this current staff together for the next few years, I believe they will go beyond peoples expectations. They are very fiery staff, that has improved a lot in one year. They have brought in some legit veterans that also know football. The way the were last year to this year is completely different. Trust me, I've been at Amat a few times watching spring and summer practice. They have nade strides.

As far as SH vs Amat goes next year. It will never happen. That I can tell you. Its just like hoping for Los Altos vs Amat, it will never happen. So, lets squash the talk now and know these teams will not face off next year.

SHHS wants a part of St. Paul and Mater Dei next year?...why did they not do it this year?...as far as next year SH will have no one there with all the studs graduating..they will get killed. Next year is their rebuilding and they are not in a position to play Mater Dei with Barkley returning as a senior....play Amat it is safer for you SH.

Tournament of Champions,

I believe you're talking about the SP Defensive Coordinator Gil Jimenez. He's what I call "old school". He brings a ton of passion and the kids absolutely love him. He's probably the best X's & O's guy on the staff.

Sh FTB Fan,

Amat has some openings next year. Will they get a call?

"OK all of you St. Paul fans, rumor from 645 S. Barranca St. is that South Hills has contacted both St. Paul and Mater Dei with the distinct possibility of playing them next season...the week of the game has not been determined, but if SH plays St. Paul....should be a very interesting game."

I've heard that St. Paul does have some openings for next year as they are finishing up some 2 year contracts this year. I'd love to see either team on the schedule for next year.

OK all of you St. Paul fans, rumor from 645 S. Barranca St. is that South Hills has contacted both St. Paul and Mater Dei with the distinct possibility of playing them next season...the week of the game has not been determined, but if SH plays St. Paul....should be a very interesting game.

Stay tuned!!!!!

Hi

I have no vested interest in Amat or St. Paul. Amat, for whatever the reason, will never get back to the dominance they once owned in the SGV. They can return to being a solid traditional power, but their era of SGV dominance is probably over. As for St. Paul I got the chance to watch them at Santa Fe on Saturday. They need to take a class on sportsmanship. There coach said during stretching that, "Our goal today is to get kicked out of this tournament for being to physical!" This same coach just bellowed all day long. Bitching about officiating, bitching at his players, etc. I swear you'd have thought he was on a stage performing. Not knowing St. Paul I assumed it was their new coach. I was relieved to find out he is only an assistant coach... maybe the DC. The head coach needs to get a hold of this guy and let him know that he isn't playing any longer and that he isn't the show. I went to watch some football and instead got to watch this guy embarrass himself, his team & his school. As for how St. Paul looked? Their linemen finished in the top 5 in only 3 events (Obstacle Course & Jump Rope being 2 them)... Hardly dominating. To be honest I couldn't stand their coach screaming like a little kid so I didn't hang around much to watch their skill players.

Nobody in Lancerland especially those of us who have strapped on the helmet underestimate St. Paul. But to tell those SP Guys the truth, you are not on our minds right now. We are focusing one week at a time. Good Luck in your preseason.

And you SP guys talk about reloading? Your coaching staff saw the talent returning and decided to recruit their a**es off. I know I''d be pissed if I saw them do that do my team my senior year of football.

"People talk about being on a decline. St. Paul is horrible this year. Talk about Aubrey Hayes or the new transfer from SH and even with that they will not beat Amat. There D-line is small and will get its ass kick by Amats front O-line. St. paul is trying to get back to where they once were but not this year....They did not do too bad in the playoffs last year and that surprised me but they lost some players and they are not reloading that fast.."

You obviously have not seen them play this year. They are returning 18 of 22 starters and they have already filled those holes with quality players.

St. Paul handled bigger O Lines than Amat's last year and this year will be no exception.

I guess you guys of any school should know about losing players and reloading. How many players have you lost?

St. Paul will beat Amat this year and will go to the playoffs while the Lancers stay home AGAIN.

People talk about being on a decline. St. Paul is horrible this year. Talk about Aubrey Hayes or the new transfer from SH and even with that they will not beat Amat. There D-line is small and will get its ass kick by Amats front O-line. St. paul is trying to get back to where they once were but not this year....They did not do too bad in the playoffs last year and that surprised me but they lost some players and they are not reloading that fast..

Amat 35
SP 14

Response 2: Humane Society

Micheal Vick is just another example of an athlete that went from rags to riches and not knowing how to handle his new life style as a professional athlete.

If the allegations, evidences, and criminal charges, are correct he would do some time in the big-house if those crimes were heard in other states other then California.

Unfortunately, the criminal justice system is different here in California then in other states. Some states more then others hold higher stakes upon being convicted of felony charges. In those states the convicted receive more severe sentencing and naturally end up doing more prison time.

In California for instance, a person might get a lighter sentence due to his or her non-criminal past. First time felony convictions might earn a person a trip to serve county jail time opposed to prison time.

In other instances, one might recieve a sentence that would include a dollar amount pay-back in a form of restitution, coupled with community service and months of felony summary probation.

The reality is that "Cruelity to Animals" might be the most outrageous crime a human being could commit.

For this he'll need to resurrect "Johnny Cochran" to guide him thru the legal system.

In the end, (if found guilty as charged) I would expect the NFL to never allow Vick the opportunity to represent any professional jersey in this country.

FYI: Just my opinion

PLAID-LAD

Football Insider
Spoken like a true swordsman. SP has never given us anything , we take from them as has always been. Maybe your a little dizzy from breathing the fumes from all that cow manure or contaminated ground around your area . We will see you at the car wash on Washington and Pickering where you always hold your class reunions.

Reply to humanesociety.

RE: Where exactly did you find out all this info? If this is true, I hope he is locked up for life. If not, you should be.

To answer question,

2004- Did Not play
2005- 14-7 SP
2006- 26-23 Amat
2007-?

SPloyal is posing as a sp guy that is funny!

4 turnovers did Sp in. So stop fooling yourself kid. Get this SP is stronger than last year and you guys have the weakest team in Amat history. It will be 35-7 SP at least. 26-23 is hardly handing anything to SP they gave you that game consider it a gift.. Amat will shine my car at the car wash on willow and amar. Funny how 2 amt grads work there. Nice ed...

After a conversation this weekend with the QB's family that transfered from SH to SP, the reason given to me was for "a better educational opportunity"!
What a CROC! If thats the case, why isn't his sister transfering along with him or why did both of them go to SH in the first place!
After a week, we are already sick of "Dad" talking his son up. Is there any way we can give him back! Thanks for the headache SH!

Football Insider
I don't know inside what football you are looking at but we will beat the swordsmen. It does not matter what the senior class did when they were freshmen or sophmores because when they hit varsity last year as juniors they got it handed to them as they will this year. As for anonymous, if saying we will beat st paul means being a button wearer then send me mine because on that night AMAT WILL SHINE. This something you cannot understand not being a LANCER.

What were the scores of the senior classes when they played each other.

2004-
2005-
2006-
2007-your prediction

what the #&!! was that ?

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July 17, 2007
SEMI-BREAKING NEWS: South Hills soph QB leaves, likely headed to St. Paul ...
Ballyhooed South Hills sophomore quarterback Chris Willson, who was in a three-way battle with senior Brandon Parham and junior Cameron Deen for the open starting job, has left the school and is likely to play at St. Paul this season. Willson played in all four of South Hills' passing league games at Arroyo High on Saturday, but he was not at practice on Monday and the family informed the school he will transfer out. I can't officially confirm he's headed to St. Paul, but evidently that's where his family said he'll end up. Willson was part of last year's dynamic freshman class and appeared to have the highest upside of any of the Huskies QBs.

Aram's take: Have I said on this blog before that somebody at St. Paul is hustling? I know I have. Do you need more proof? South El Monte's Joe Morales last year, Diamond Ranch's Aubrey Haynes and now Willson this year have somehow come to the off-season conclusion that St. Paul is the greener grass on the other side. If you'e an Amat fan, this has to perplex you. It does me. St. Paul hasn't beaten Amat in how long? Their schedule is nice, but it's not sexier than Amat's. And yet somehow there's a way that St. Paul is convincing kids that Santa Fe Springs is a great destination. About Willson, clearly this move was made because of playing time concerns. It can't be a big shock because once everyone heard the Huskies had three legit signal callers, the knee jerk was to think one or two would transfer in search of more immediate playing time. I don't think Coach Bogan has made any official decisions about the QB rotation, but it's pretty obvious that Parham will be the guy. Consensus opinion is that he's looked by far the best this summer. But man, Willson was headed toward a great prep career and probably scholly somewhere. He still might get it at St. Paul. This is a big blow to South Hills' future, not that many people will shed a tear. But there was a chance for the Huskies won three consecutive CIF titles. Believe me, this year's soph class, even without Willson, is excellent. They could win one as juniors and then be overwhelming favorites to repeat as seniors. And we all know this year's team is favored to win a ring. Add it up and you get three. Deen still gives SH a great option in 2008, but who will start in 2009?

Disclaimer: You'll notice I titled this thread "semi-breaking news" because I got the tip from one of my loyal bloggers. I don't know your name, sir, but I must thank you. By the way, in case you haven't realized, blogs break news in a myriad of ways. This is the wave of the future. Nice work. Info sharing is powerful stuff. Keep it coming!

Posted by atolegian at July 17, 2007 11:39 AM

Comments
Goes to show your ignorance. SP didnt even finish 2 of the events and still rankled up there. Eitherway people are really taking SP lightly. They have a nasty Dfense and some real quality skill players on offense. I was really impressed when they threw against Carson and the game was stalled because of physical play. I believe this senior class has smashed Amat every year except last. After watching SP and Amat both throw which really doesnt say much I think SP will run away with the game this season.

Posted by: Football Insider at July 22, 2007 06:46 PM

"To whichever anonymous I'm talking to,

If you've been around any longer than a few weeks, you know that I'm anything but an amat "button-wearer". I'm one of the realists of the amat posters. No "button wearing myopia" here. I guess if you drive the streets of the SGV you'd see that at amat they are "sticker-sporters"."

I'll sleep better at night knowing that.

Goes to show your ignorance. SP didnt even finish 2 of the events and still rankled up there. Eitherway people are really taking SP lightly. They have a nasty Dfense and some real quality skill players on offense. I was really impressed when they threw against Carson and the game was stalled because of physical play. I believe this senior class has smashed Amat every year except last. After watching SP and Amat both throw which really doesnt say much I think SP will run away with the game this season.

To whichever anonymous I'm talking to,

If you've been around any longer than a few weeks, you know that I'm anything but an amat "button-wearer". I'm one of the realists of the amat posters. No "button wearing myopia" here. I guess if you drive the streets of the SGV you'd see that at amat they are "sticker-sporters".

If you're still a little wet behind the ears, I'll clue you in. I'm the guy that wants amat to earn back their capital "A". I'll be the first to let you know when I think they've stepped in it. But I'm not a hater either. I was there thru a few of trips to the top of the mountain, and I've stuck around during a couple of trips to some pretty low valleys. No doubt, we're in one now. I know how they reached the top and have an opinion on why they sunk to the bottom each of the times that they did. Because of that, I think that I've got a pretty good idea of what they need to get back to where they should be. Not afraid to say so, whether it's here or to those in power that I felt were responsible. Been there - done that. To both.

It's not the time or place too rehash those now. That's what the archives are for. Look 'em up.

Response: Anonymous at 10:56 am

St Pauls lineman finished 14th yesterday at Santa Fe. Bosco Techs Lineman finished 9th. WTF!!! Looks like u guys better start recruiting some Lineman! What do u think Amats line is going to do to u guys !!! Bosco Tech ????

Carson triumphs in Santa Fe Tournament of Champions
By Roger Murray Staff Writer

SANTA FE SPRINGS - While some schools played as many as nine games, Carson High School needed just seven to win Santa Fe High School's Tournament of Champions passing championship in a marathon competition held Saturday.

Santa Fe won the consolation championship, and Canyon Country Canyon's Green entry captured the lineman championship, edging Santa Fe's "B" entry, 198-188. California finished third with 179 points.

In the lineman's featured event of the day, the tug-o-war, Banning defeated Carson.

The passing competition featured a scoring system developed by Mira Costa High School for its passing tournament nearly two decades ago.

Points were awarded for completions covering at least five yards (1 point), 11-25 yards (2 points) and 26-plus yards (3), with the player considered down at the spot of reception. Defensive pass interference also was worth a point for the offense.

Defensive points were scored on deflected passes, coverage sacks, interceptions, offensive pass interference and delay of game (quarterbacks were allowed up to 3.8 seconds to release the ball).

The 35 teams participating were split into seven pools and played a four-game, round-robin schedule in the morning session. All teams advanced to the afternoon session and the individual pool winners were seeded 1 through 7. The rest of the entries were rated and matched up according to records and points for and points against differentials.

Santa Fe's finish topped the efforts of 10 local entries.

The Chiefs (5-4) lost all four of their pool games, then roared back to win five in a row, including a 30-29 decision over North Torrance after trailing, 29-22, going into the final possession series.

Whittier Christian (4-1) was unbeaten in pool play with victories over South El Monte, Cathedral, Banning and Mira Costa and was seeded No. 2 for the afternoon session. The Heralds received a first-round bye, then lost to Mira Costa.

Whittier (5-2) continued an impressive summer of work by defeating Bellflower, Trabuco Hills and Jurupa Valley to go with a loss to North Torrance in pool play. The Cardinals then defeated South El Monte and Redondo before being eliminated by Marina.

Bosco Tech (3-2) posted pool victories over Westminster La Quinta, Franklin "B" and Reseda. The Tigers lost to Narbonne and were sent home with a loss to St. Bernard.

Arroyo (2-3) got wins over Paramount and West Torrance to go with losses to Lynwood, Franklin "A" and St. Paul.

El Monte (4-2) was considered one of the surprises of the day. The Lions defeated California and Redondo in posting a 2-2 pool record, and benefitting from a mix-up that gave them a No. 7 seed in the championship bracket. The Lions received a bye and then knocked off St. Bernard and Marina before losing to Carson in the championship semifinals.

Arcadia posted a 2-2 pool mark after defeating John Glenn and St. Bernard and losing to St. Paul and Carson. The Apaches then defeated Franklin's "B" entry before being ousted by St. Bernard.

California (2-4) was 1-3 in pool play before stunning Banning in the first round of the afternoon. The Condors were eliminated by West Torrance.

Other local finishes in the lineman competition were Arroyo in seventh (150), Bosco Tech ninth (148), South El Monte 10th (147), Arcadia 12th (134), St. Paul 14th (131), Santa Fe "A" 25th (84), Whittier 27th (57) and El Monte 30th (45).

Carson triumphs in Santa Fe Tournament of Champions
By Roger Murray Staff Writer

SANTA FE SPRINGS - While some schools played as many as nine games, Carson High School needed just seven to win Santa Fe High School's Tournament of Champions passing championship in a marathon competition held Saturday.

Santa Fe won the consolation championship, and Canyon Country Canyon's Green entry captured the lineman championship, edging Santa Fe's "B" entry, 198-188. California finished third with 179 points.

In the lineman's featured event of the day, the tug-o-war, Banning defeated Carson.

The passing competition featured a scoring system developed by Mira Costa High School for its passing tournament nearly two decades ago.

Points were awarded for completions covering at least five yards (1 point), 11-25 yards (2 points) and 26-plus yards (3), with the player considered down at the spot of reception. Defensive pass interference also was worth a point for the offense.

Defensive points were scored on deflected passes, coverage sacks, interceptions, offensive pass interference and delay of game (quarterbacks were allowed up to 3.8 seconds to release the ball).

The 35 teams participating were split into seven pools and played a four-game, round-robin schedule in the morning session. All teams advanced to the afternoon session and the individual pool winners were seeded 1 through 7. The rest of the entries were rated and matched up according to records and points for and points against differentials.

Santa Fe's finish topped the efforts of 10 local entries.

The Chiefs (5-4) lost all four of their pool games, then roared back to win five in a row, including a 30-29 decision over North Torrance after trailing, 29-22, going into the final possession series.

Whittier Christian (4-1) was unbeaten in pool play with victories over South El Monte, Cathedral, Banning and Mira Costa and was seeded No. 2 for the afternoon session. The Heralds received a first-round bye, then lost to Mira Costa.

Whittier (5-2) continued an impressive summer of work by defeating Bellflower, Trabuco Hills and Jurupa Valley to go with a loss to North Torrance in pool play. The Cardinals then defeated South El Monte and Redondo before being eliminated by Marina.

Bosco Tech (3-2) posted pool victories over Westminster La Quinta, Franklin "B" and Reseda. The Tigers lost to Narbonne and were sent home with a loss to St. Bernard.

Arroyo (2-3) got wins over Paramount and West Torrance to go with losses to Lynwood, Franklin "A" and St. Paul.

El Monte (4-2) was considered one of the surprises of the day. The Lions defeated California and Redondo in posting a 2-2 pool record, and benefitting from a mix-up that gave them a No. 7 seed in the championship bracket. The Lions received a bye and then knocked off St. Bernard and Marina before losing to Carson in the championship semifinals.

Arcadia posted a 2-2 pool mark after defeating John Glenn and St. Bernard and losing to St. Paul and Carson. The Apaches then defeated Franklin's "B" entry before being ousted by St. Bernard.

California (2-4) was 1-3 in pool play before stunning Banning in the first round of the afternoon. The Condors were eliminated by West Torrance.

Other local finishes in the lineman competition were Arroyo in seventh (150), Bosco Tech ninth (148), South El Monte 10th (147), Arcadia 12th (134), St. Paul 14th (131), Santa Fe "A" 25th (84), Whittier 27th (57) and El Monte 30th (45).

Blu and joe....

F'in button wearers

blu,

good to see ya back.

I don't really see you "pounding the drum". Nothing said in that post was popping off at all. History says that predicting a victory over St Paul is usually a pretty good bet. Should/could happen. Nothing delusional about that.

Turn that one around and, according to the below poster, it becomes 4-6. steal one along the way and it is 5-5 an on the verge of a playoff spot.That's a helluva lot better than recent performances. (can't believe I'm writing this...happy about 5-5)

Not necessarily good enough for me - shouldn't be good enough for any real lancer to settle for - but a step in the right direction for sure. I just feel bad that we are in te position to need to take these baby steps. Should have never allowed it to get this bad. But since it is, better work like hell to get out of this whole.

The camp is certainly a step towards that.

I kind of admire your support of the Lancers in light of what is going on. You guys are heading for a 3-7 season at best and you continue to pound the drum. Good for you!

However, Amat beating St. Paul this year? I think you are highly delusional (which explains your undying support for the Lancers). It is going to be a very long season for the Amat faithful.

wow.

I go away for a bit, and ya'll run Anymouse out of the house! Hey that rhymed! Gotta let comments slide off you and not get personally involved Mr. Mouse. And above all, give no clues to your true identity cuz there are some crazy folks out there!

Crazy folks like MIKE DA CLONE!!! hahahaha! The Clone is a Glendora's greatest fan. I hope the Tartans give their league a really big spankin. They deserve victory!

Some quick notes cuz there is too much to respond to...

1. FRACK MATER DEI!!! I don't wanna read about any speculations about the WC/MD game! We all need to get behind and support the Bulldogs when they take on those spoiled rich punks in scarlett and silver. In my and any Lancer's book, the only good Monarch, is an overthrown and beheaded one! =)

1.5 FRACK ST. PAUL!!! The slime are just that...they are slime. Let them recruit all they want....we still gonna rip into those swordsman. The only time St. Paul was able to beat Amat recently was when Amat was rebuilding. And these games were all chose ones...This is not going to be one of those years. The slime is going down.

2. The only great players to leave Amat were Wells and Bonilla. Both of these player's exodus had nothing to do with the administration nor the coaches. One left for disciplinary problems, the other had family problems. The two "QBs" that left were not even in the run for a starting position on the squad.

3. I've talked about fathers forcing their sons to transfer from one school to another just because a coach refuses to start the son on the team. This type of mentality of choosing football over academics is becoming more and more of a major problem here in the SGV. The odds of any kid getting a football athletic scholarship are extremely high to say the least. Can anyone imagine the odds of a kid thats under 5'9''??? I would bet it's pretty damn near impossible. I'm not saying that there aren't any short players out there that make it, what I am saying is that by the time a kid who is "vertically challenged" is on Varsity, he better have already established himself as a "next level" player. If a vertically challenged kid still has not established himself as a Varsity starter...forget it...HE SHOULD FOCUS ON ACADEMICS INSTEAD! But there are bonehead dads out there will bonehead dreams and do bonehead things...And people continue to wonder why the OC is getting all the good players.

4. Coach Verti is not screwing anyone out of any scholarships. College scholarships were not even an issue last season because Amat only started about 4 SENIORS. The rest were all JUNIORS and SOPHOMORS. The one senior that DID stand out was Fletcher and Fletcher gotta free ride to Westpoint! Anyone Verti may be young and inexperienced but we gotta give him another season to prove himself. Gotta give proper props to Verti though for having this Lancer/NFL football camp. This was a great step in the right direction for football at Amat.

5. It does no good to speculate on the upcoming Lancer season. I honestly do not know how it's gonna turn out. So much is up in the air right now, I'll wait quietly until the puzzle pieces itself together. Only time will tell...

Thats all for now...happy Sunday.

Amat Legends Camp:

Anyone attend ? How was the turnout, kids & Legends ? Maty, Blue Orca, Joe Amat or Blue & Gold.

To everyone out there I am done blogging, there are just too many haters on here and when it gets to the point that I am ready to meet some overweight and out of shape loudmouth because they are an internet bully then I have found my limit...

Its doubtful that this person would meet but thats beyond the point, there is nothing constructive here...

This blog is less about prep sports and bonding with other enthusiast every day, it has become an encouraged soap opera...

I am retired, God Bless you all...

AnyMouse...

MATER DEI 45
WEST COVINA 14

To please....
The odds are stacked HEAVY against us when we play Mater Dei, I have seen them in passing league and they are as good as you say they are & QB Barkley is a highschool phenom.
WC. on the other hand is very young & inexperienced, so our team is a big question mark so far this season, I agree it could get ugly real quickly, on the other hand its highschool football and these are kids we are dealing with
so anything can happen.
Also remember that last years Mater Dei team was probably their best team in 5 years & West Covina gave them a suprisingly tough game,I believe the yardage for both teams was pretty even with Mater Dei gaining 335 yrds to 310 for West Co, the score was 28 to 10 but on 2 different occasions West Co drove to first & goal at the 5 and 2 yrd lines but only came away with 1 field goal, when they had 1st & goal at the 2 they got a penalty on 1st down which set them back & they ended up with a field goal blocked.
If West Co scores these two times the score could have been 28 to 21 Mater Dei.
Did we catch Mater Dei off guard? maybe, but that also was one good lineup that West Co had that night, its just a shame that that same lineup never got together again except for brief
periods in the C.Oak game [which West Co really won, yes I'm still bitter about that ref.] & brief periods in the Ayala game. If that week 1 line up could have played & practiced together for the whole season
instead of having two of their key speed players miss most of the season. the team probably would have grown together and taken the D6 title.
This year we have some pretty good athletes on the team but like I said the team as a whole is very inexperienced so as of now we just don't
know how good WC will be, I do believe the potential for a good season is there but the schedule is kind of brutal so time will tell.

199!!!![IMG]http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p290/coachesphotos/emoicons/tissue.gif[/IMG]

198!!

info at July 20, 2007 01:14 PM,
I really do not know why I am even responding to this.... but what the heck Im at work and Im bored.... Your right when you said that MD is the top team in the OC, but they are also the top team rated team in the Pac 5. Look at all the teams they did beat at all of their passing leagues... Do you really think West Covina has a chance??? Please get real... and the only way it is close, is if they all magically get hurt and their Jv team has to play in their place? Its one thing to read about them... go seem them live at these tourneys.... and then ley me know if you think West covina still has a shot.... ok pumpkin.

AHS,

The only Amat kid that I know that has gone to CHHS is Kevin Bonilla and he plays free safety......what a steal for the CHHS team. This guy can play and knows the game. His transfer was legit and had nothing to do with a Fallout with the Amat brass.......he had a special reason not discussing here......he did move over there as well......A lineman from Amat???I have not heard about that.

man oh man, I feel dirty and slimmy just having my last post so close to that of anonymous...yikes!

FANatic has left the blog...going to take a shower

FANatic,

Let me know when I can get up off the floor from laughing my backside off.

Out!

Mike the Clone

Okay Amat faithful.
Give us a list of Amat player defections this year that might affect some of us. Sounds like there have been a few this year. The one that concerns me as an Ayala Faithful is an Amat lineman that supposedly went to Chino Hills HS on a "bonafide address change", yet he never moved. Give us some names of the transferring players.
On a side note:
AT, when are you writers going to start investigating some of these so called bonafide address changes and exposing them for what they really are? The school administrations do not have the time and/or desire to police themselves, but writers could potentially create some interesting articles. We have all heard the rumors of coaches using vacant lots or other B.S. addresses for their transfered players. It would be fun to read about your investigative results.

This may not be worth a full two cents, but, I beleive alot of the interest, if not, at least the fun, in blogging on the internet is the ability to communicate with others without a great deal of censorship. Jeez, the internet, like satellite radio, is so unregulated, why put "terrestrial" restrictions on eighther?

Grant it, we do have "kids" on board with very "sensitive" ears and egos, however, what really has been said,heretofore on this blog? Certainly it isn't any worse than what my son here's every day in the locker room or on the radio.

Can't blame Aram for bloggers comments which lack sensitiviy, just like you can't blame him for bloggers comments which lack any logic. This is all part and parcel of what we Americans call Freedom! Maybe Aram should set up a GP -13 rated thread for you PC people then spend 24/7 monitoring it!! Now back to reality! Isn't enough of our freedom already under the thumbscrews at airports, county and federal buildings (opps!.. I don't want to bring up another topic..ouch!!!)

Again, as I said in a previous post, it's up to the users of this soap box to behave. People don't need to be called P****S,while maybe, idiot, moron, dumba** may be perfectly acceptable (lol).

Here are the 5 official words not to be said on this blog:

1) P***K (Penis is ok)
2) T**S (Boobs is ok)
3) A**Hole (Butthead is ok or Mike the Clone:)
4) D***wad (again, butthead is ok or Mike the Clone:)
5) B...H (Female dog ok here or Aram:)

Ok boys, you know I'm joking!

If this gets to serious, I'm out of here!

FANatic has left the blog!

Clown-man, I mean, Mike the Clone...
Get over yourself dude. You are so full of yourself, your SMALL, truth-speaking, brutal honesty means NO MORE then any other person on here. So while you try to impress us with your "brutal, tough guy honesty" know that it means little to most of us.
Although as mentioned earlier, you are about the ONLY aram loving dude here but both your mentalitys are similar. I'll give the fact that you do not flip-flop nearly as much as the big guy, but you both blow out a lot of hot air. It's all good though - keep posting your opinion and always remember it's about -- RESPECT.
I'm out.

Posted by: Mike the Clone at July 20, 2007 08:15 AM

I don’t want to speak for anyone else but I think some of us old-timers like, JoeAmat, Feeling U, FANatic, Bleeds Blue and Gold, Cop/Coach, CO Bro, Dan, Jeffrulerson, Buck, Blue Orca, Colt, and a few I haven’t mention get my takes, Do they agree with them ……nope but we all have develop a certain amount of respect for each other. Do we get into it with each other, sure we do and that’s what the blog is here for.

Respect is earned, and all those listed above have mine. Even though I may not agree with everything they have to say. They have every right to say it.

MD beat Mission Veijo and Edision and Sherman oaks but lost to Long Beach Poly in the last play from the Nike passing ternment last week. I hear MD is rank #1 in the OC. If WC has a good game against MD this will be a good sign for a very young team. I know WC looks pretty good also.

how about aram posts his much awaited top 10 lineman? come on big guy weve been waiting a VERY long time

Jury is still out on Verti. If Amat gets smacked around again this year and has a losing record and misses the playoffs all hell is going to break loose. More departing players next year and some pissed of Alumni and parents. It is do or die this year. He has the talent even tho he has lost players, so he better do some mighty fine coaching this year...He went thru the motions last year but he better sack up and get the best out of his players this year.....It is called coaching not managing...So go Coach this year!.

Lets get back to sports talk...what does the "The settlement and the Catholic church" have to do with sports?

The settlement is broken down as follows:

From Foxnews.com:
"Under the latest deal, the archdiocese will pay $250 million, insurance carriers will pay a combined $227 million and several religious orders will chip in $60 million. The remaining $123 million will come from litigation with religious orders who chose not to participate in the deal, with the archdiocese guaranteeing resolution of those 80 to 100 cases within five years, Hennigan said."

I also remember reading that the plaintiffs will each receive in the neighborhood of 1.3 million each, but not in a lump sum. Some portion of the settlement will be paid out over a number of years. I think over a 20 year span.

I'm such a Dope

In my over zealousness to respond to you Eric Jr. I mis-spoke and called him Ernie.....Sorry all you Ernie's out there.

Dopey Clone

Out!

Mike

To:Catholic Schools at July 20, 2007 09:13 AM

I have a son at Damien and a daughter at St. Lucy's, do you know if those schools, and if so how, will these schools be affected? Do you know or at least assume that the Archdiocese would have some sort of insurance plan that would infact cover all or part of that money in the Lawsuit? Thank You.

RE: Eric Slater Jr. What is wrong with you? How is your post any different than the posts you dont like? Im guessing you are around 14 years old. Am I right?

PASSING TOURNY AT AZUSA H.S TODAY BEGINNING @ 3:00

GAMES AT 3:00, 4:00, AND 5:00.

Ernie,

How bout "Jetting" yourself back to Candyland, this is the big leagues Jr.

Your more than welcome to stay but something tells me your going to say there's no place like home. So pop that lollipop back into your mouth and hope your little rump doesn't get swatted for straying far from home.

Go on Jr. beat it, go home!

And Catholic Schools... Interesting stuff.

Out!

Mike the Clone

Aram, Are you going to the O or the D linemen first? I cant wait!

Aram has no special talents when it comes to writing. Most of his contributions to the Tribune are simplistic and juvenile. Robledo is ten times the better writer\contributor than Aram. They wouldn’t lose much if he ‘jetted’. He lives for rumors, innuendo and smack talk. AKA his Blog. If a couple of blog readers, whom are upset with its content, called to cancel their subscriptions and listed the blog as a reason, maybe he would take a more even handed approach to maintaining some decorum on his Blog.

Some of you may have wonder how the $660 million dollar settlement going to impact Catholic Schools run by the LA Archdiocese?

After having been an athletic administrator at several Catholic high schools I might have some insight that can be of help.

First thing; The archdiocese doesn't run all of the Catholic schools. There are three types of governance for Catholic schools: Parish, Archdiocesan and Orders.

There are only six parish run Catholic high schools in the entire state. St. Genevieve's of Panorama City is one of them. The Archdiocese runs that parish, so the school would be indrectly governed by the Archdiocese, but only if the parish priest knuckles under to the Archdiocese.

The Marianists "run" Chaminade, the Christian Brothers "run" Cathedral, the Salesians run St. John Bosco and Bosco Tech. This list goes on and it includes Notre Dame. I put run in quotations because many Catholic orders have almost no religious on campus. One nun or one brother in a token position is about the norm. This is because fewer people have been going into the priesthood. The Salesians do a better job of this because they are actually a teaching order.

Tuition has been going up because the schools must hire lay people to teach. The time of a school being dominated by priests and nuns is long gone. They were never paid much and what they were paid went directly to their orders. Their living expenses and retirements were already taken care of, so they really didn't need much in the way of cash.

The Archdiocese does own schools like Bishop Amat and Alemany and those schools could be in trouble.

Several years ago, the Archdiocese closed some Catholic high schools and consolidated others. Pius X boys school merged with St. Matthias girls school. Now all of the boys are gone and it's a girls school.Personally, I think that the closures and mergers were more than just mere coincidence to the fact that the Cardinal was starting his push to build the new Cathedral...which not coincidentally costs somewhere in the neightborhood of $650 million...kind of karmic.

Many Catholics feel that the new cathedral is nothing more than one man's monument to himself. It's been called the Rog Mahal and Mahoney World. It says something that the man will now be remembered for his actions and more so for his inactions, rather than his brick and mortar works.

Cardinal MacIntyre built so many schools during his time....Cardinal Mahoney might have undone all of that.

Aram, What about the linemen top ten?

Judge Joe,

First off there is one and one only Mike the Clown, Jerk, Idiot, Butthead, Arrogant, Pompous ass, just to name a few of the names I have been called …Clone. It’s all-good with me because I thrive on it. I don’t sugar coat anything, I am brutally honest and that ticks people off. Do I care nope that’s their problem not mine. I live in the real world. If I think you’re a dope I’m going to tell you, your a dope.

I am not Aram nor am I related to Aram in anyway. I haven’t “always” agreed with the “big guy” and remember back in the day when I used to give him grief about being an Amat honk because all he ever talked about at the time was Bishop Amat, heck even his sister accused him of Amat being his team. (Remember that A.T.) I hate to get sentimental about the old days here in the jungle but he was a honk no matter what he tell’s ya! (Laughing).

I have never met Aram but from just reading his work and watching him here in the blog he’s probably a guy I would throw back a couple with and have some laughs and he would probably tell me I’m full of it and I’d tell him the same.

I don’t want to speak for anyone else but I think some of us old-timers like, JoeAmat, Feeling U, FANatic, Bleeds Blue and Gold, Cop/Coach, CO Bro, Dan, Jeffrulerson, Buck, Blue Orca, Colt, and a few I haven’t mention get my takes, Do they agree with them ……nope but we all have develop a certain amount of respect for each other. Do we get into it with each other, sure we do and that’s what the blog is here for.

So again I’m not Aram despite what others say, and the others here and especially the old-timers… well just consider us a dysfunctional family whom in the end still wish each other a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year when it comes down to it.

The rest your just going to have to fiqure out for yourself....and your post was entertaining to say the least.

Late!

Mike the Clone

“We are talking about, practice?…. Practice!….not a game…we talking about practice…Practice…What are we talking about???? Practice?!?

Plaid-Lad,

No I just hear about what's going on from the daily phone calls. I have been real busy with start up of a new company along side the one I'm already involved in.

Besides you know what I think of hanging out at practices.....(laughing) But thanks for keeping me in the loop.

And stay out of trouble will ya!

OUT!

Mike the Clone

Joe Amat,

Good to see you, been awhile...

Seriously Joe I just call them as I see them and even though I am not always correct I have had a hard time seeing how hiring a young head coach could possibly benefit Amat except financially in the short term...

I am sure Verti came relatively cheap compared to lets say a Kunau from Olu (Ex CIA guy my sources over there tell me and only used as an example), but in the long run a guy like that will make more money for the institution due to a heavy influx of paying recruits (Even if they arent of quality caliber)...

Out of these recruits you are bound to find a group of 22 solid football players that can take your program to the promised land, if it is sold correctly a good veteran "Manager" will appease the other players on the team and hence keep it together with harmony...

I believe this is the ultimate goal and it produces championships along with turning out good men of positive character...

I have never met Coach Verti so I speak of the program over at Amat and the coaching situation from afar, I can only wish him the best of luck along with the rest of the entire Lancer family...

I hope he will detach himself from the politics and other trivial items that cross his desk, if he can stay away from what is not important and focus on grooming and managing his staff through delegation he may be successful...

Again I wish him the best but he has to realize the odds are stacked against him due to his experience, this isnt his fault and usually can only be achieved by time spent in the trenches since there is no replacement for this...

It would have been to his benefit if the powers that be over at Amat had not thrown him into the crosshairs this early, they should have put politics aside and naturally groomed a young man who has the potential to be a great manager after a few years of experience underneath his belt...

GodSpeed,
AnyMouse...

Re: Posted by: Judge Joe Brown at July 19, 2007 09:01 PM

I am AnyMouse and only post under this moniker since I dont have much to say and when I do I am not shy, I just chime in when a topic hits a chord with me either positively or negatively...

Then again I could be lying and purposely deceptive, couldnt I?

Your post literally has me laughing so hard that my eyes are watering, they are watering because I couldnt think of a better way to put the state of this blog into perspective, I cant stop laughing at the way you phrased it...

"I trust no one and love everyone on here at the same time"

Although I truly believe that if we all were sitting over at Pizza Chalet, Shakeys or any other pizza joint that had pitchers of beer we would all be back slapping and telling bad jokes together while our wifes were giving us the evil eye and trying to drag us away from our new found friends... Hey guys I am wrong about this?

This is more or less what I believe you were trying to convey to us, I get your point and understand your confusion...

Confused also,
AnyMouse...

LADAD,

What do you mean! I hope the slime slipped up and get caught is that what your insinuating? woohoo that would be great.....

This is better than reality T.V. but someone please tell me who the cast of characters are again one more time because I am confused to who are the good guys and bad guys in this story. Do Plaid-Lad and Mike the Clone like or dislike each other? Aren't you two both from Glendora? Do the two of you have a relationship in the real world? And I thought Plaid-Lad and Anonymous were friends not enemies? How many Anonymouses are there anyways? Aram how about you and your relationships with everyone because the only blogger that seems to be a supporter of you consistently and I hate to say it is Mike the Clone. Now then there is JoeAmat, AnyMouse, Feeling U, FANatic, Bleeds Blue and Gold, Cop/Coach, CO Bro, Dan, Big Bubba, Barroid Bonds, Spartan Man, Gano's Recruiting Inc., Jhykron, LA Conq and if I left anyone else out that is a regular I apologize but where do they fit into everything? I am very serious about can anyone clue me in because I literally try and read the blog everyday but when I comeback if I have even missed a few hours those who were loyal to one another literally now are being mean towards one another. Can none of you trust each other? Stop! Right when I preview I just read FANatic’s post. Ok, I admire you coming clean are you also any of the other names above because truthfully everyone at certain times has been guilty and no one is innocent but bottom line who are the good guys and who are the bad guys because I can’t decide who to like and cheer for because right when I respect someone then they say something that makes me not respect them Ahh Ohh… Someone help me I am so confused?

Response: MTC

Mike...wondering if you've had the chance to check out the progress of GHS's O and D. The development has been steady and interesting to watch. Pasky is going to have to make a decision regarding Aaron Stockham playing either O as the starting WR or let him gaze as a DB in the open back field.

I personally hope that Stockham gets the call to remain on O as a WR. His potential and talents will be needed more on the offense then defense. The kid has soft hands and he routes well with solid separation from his opponents.

On the other hand, we could see him pitching time at both positions given his athletic abilities. What's your take?

Wow, another day in bloggers paradise!

Who Cares,
Frank P asked - I simply answered. Sorry the list bugs you. Facts are tough to handle sometimes. I understand.

AnyMouse,
Hit the nail on the head. Spoken like an old-school Lancer - even though you're a Colt : )

You now its funny that you threw a joke like that towards us we were thinking how funny it was that you hang around watching teenage guys do sports. we were not going to say anything to you but we thougt it was kind of creepy, jimmy is actually a few varsity O line guys.

Jimmy

Response: Jimmy

Did you say "envision?"...you really should stop "envisioning" me....you'll go blind.

Plaid lad

you are the senseless ninny, or as someone else mentioned you are the travelocity gnome. thats how I envision you also.

Jimmy

Response: Aram and his desperate company

So, you all think that Plaid Lad and Anonymous are one in the same?....wrong prognosis....wrong remedy....Dr. Frankenstien's!

The patient remains alive, alive, alive....ahahahahahahah!

Back to the laboratory you senseless ninnies.... think again.

FANatic in the house!

Bloggers...GROW UP!

You kids remind me of the the old CB radio days. We had a home channel and everyone followed a stupid pecking order. Everyone wanted to be king of the hill and the dude with the deepest voice usually commanded all the attention. We were just kids and thats how everyone is acting right now.

Lets get back to the business of HS sports and try to set an example for all the young bloggers, who no doubt, stay tunned so they can all laugh at us adults in third period.

As far as the moniker of anomynous, come on now, we ALL use anomynous regularly when we are to lazy to type our own moniker or when we have something to say which may be to controversial for our own "on air" personality.

I will be the first to admit, (sorry MTC and Plaid-Lad), I really wasn't on safari in Africa (who beleived that anyway), I was here all along blogging. Sometimes I was anomynous and sometimes I was a fitting moniker for that particular situation to emphasize my view point. I brought back FANatic, because, why not. You and I missed him.

I'm taking up to much gray space, so, lets just grow up alittle, get our kicks, support the athletes and talk HS sports!

FANatic, anomynous and all my other past monikers have left the blog!

The first two games for Amat will probably dictate Verti's future and Amat's season. Lose to Los Osos and then get rocked by Oluth during the second week will certainly not win many supporters or improve the morale department.

I hope that I'm dead wrong.

It's do or die time for Verti.

Just for the record I don't beleive Plaid-Lad has ever blasted the Clone.

Late!

Mike the Clone

I'd like any team with Haynes carrying the rock and Willson throwing it.

Watch St. Paul this year and watch the QB coach watch how theyve recruited and watch the results.
Shocker coming soon.

Alright boys, I just got rocked seeing Tammy Faye Baker on Larry King. Curtains.

my how the tide has turned, plad lad used to bash mike the clone under anonymous on a regular basis and now he is the target. thats funny

MTC DIDNT YOU MEAN THE WEAK ONE? TRAVELOCIITY GNOME AKA PLAID LAD

I'm here Vic just watching all the non-sense. And having fun watching A.T. pick the weak ones off right and left.

Vic....feeling you and your instant Kharma my brother. TRADE KOBE, VICTOR AND DO IT NOW!

Late!

Mike the Clone

Sorry Plaid Lad, now you're beyond reaching - just desperate. And it's getting plain dumb.

By the way, a writer at a major newspaper got fired for posting on his own blog under different names for the sake of dialogue. It's something I'd never do and a definite no-no. Nice try, though.

Nice try plad lad but you have been outed

Response: Anonymous (X200 AKA's)

I happen to blog under one and only one handle and that is Plaid Lad. I don't have multiple handles or personalities or ultra-personalities or any other Ouija-Board theories that you might conjure-up. I am responsibile for what I post and nothing more.

"Anonymous" is a blogging handle that has been....and is currently...being used by several on this board....quit evading issues of concern "ARAM" by hidding under the veil of others names.

Plaid lad is the travelocity gnome not anonymous

I applaud Plaid-lad, and I am almost positive this will be deleted as well. i occasionally drop in here, but mainly we are baseball people and we have had the same issues.....2 names - Quinley and Henley. My thoughts are the same, HE forgets that this is a reflection on the SGV TRIBUNE.. It's not HIS own persoal bog but he stands tall with his chest all puffed out...Give me a fricken break.. You see if i type his name out it will red-flag him and we will never see the post.. HE brags about how many hits and all..but it's probably the same 10 guys. I get we can just JET as HE so kindly types (big man that he is) but I wander if the TRIB would really want all of us to JET. We enjoy the sports talk so get over yourself BIG GUY. You can learn a thing or two from guys like Plaid-lad.. Oh well til aka -- mike the clown -- reads this one

Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 02:11 PM,

This comment was from plad lad, see the style of writing? he tries to mix it up but he is so obvious and defends himself and talks trash under anonymous, hypocrite

Poor Anonymous, still sour and still doesn't get it.

Posted by: Aram at July 19, 2007 02:15 PM,

aram thats plad lad...

Regarding Amat, if I was paying that kind of money to have one of my sons attend there mainly for the football program and they had a switch in coaching that resulted in a 25 to 30 y/o guy running that program I would not be happy...

There are very few guys in that age range that have the maturity to manage a team that size along with staff correctly, when you manage anywhere in the business world you do not start off with 100 plus people under your watchful eye...

I defy anyone out there to show me a guy that young who is successful and in his first managerial stint? There may be guys that are the exception but never the rule...

A manager starts out with a small staff and progressively grows from there, sounds like the Amat AD threw this kid Verti into the fire and hence under the proverbial bus...

A guy that leads that program needs many years of managerial experience to be successful, not just FB experience but MANAGERIAL experience...

If you believe otherwise then take your 25 y/o kid with a college degree in business over to any local corporation and have him apply to manage a staff of department heads along with the personnel in these departments, let me know your results... Patronization and a pat on the head for "Johnnys" brazen attempt... BUT NO JOB...Guaranteed...

Why? Because he would fail miserably and a corporation cannot afford to lose money for 5 or 10 years while he learns how to deal with his staff etc... This is not a guess but a real life fact that can be disputed but not with any true logic...

A varsity FB player only has a couple of years to shine and if its in the "Rebuilding" years that is unfair and grossly negligent, I understand all the transfers rationality now... I would bolt the zoo myself..

The leadership at Amat did not do Verti or the kids any favors with this hire, plain and simple...

Where do I get off speaking this openly and how do I know this? Because I run a corporation with well over 100 employees, thats how...

The hiring was purely political and the Amat program will pay the consequences, I wish Verti well but he should have tenured somewhere else for a few years and developed the required skills to put Amat football back on the map...

Nuff said,
AnyMouse...

Anonymous, Joe Jimenez, John Smith....whatever you want to call yourself:

Let me put your wonderment to rest. No, I am NOT Aram. We kinda look alike though.

The Trib is Aram's vessel?? Nah, you're his vessel...don't you get that? Keep coming back for more..all you're doing is making him look better. Figure it out!

Speaking of Mike the clone he has got to be digging this stuff. All the Amat honks are talking about championships. And all I beleive Mikey wants is to get to the second round.

FEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLINGGGGGGGGG YOU CLONE! EEHHHHHHH.. EEHHHHH.....YIKES!

or how about SLANDER WITH INTENT??? Oh there are so many legal issues to consider. Too many really. Why do the tabloid rags get sued every other day for something that a "close friend" or "reliable sourse" reported... he is clueless when it comes to the Law, But he did have 3 or 4 incidences to prove his inocence. How many more hits now Big A??? Does the Trib give you dollar for every hit?

ellen -- are you sure this isn't mike t.c. or even aram himself??? HE sure does kep me coming back for more, HE sure does. Jet, that's kind of a juvenile word isn't it??? How bout split?? or late??? Wouldn't matter a bit which name it had for THE TRIBUNE'S BLOG. How lucky for Aram though to have the Trib as his vessel and count and brag about all HIS hits. but you are right - either way life will go on. Signed, John Smith

Amat 73,

I am not patient with the program I will admit to this. Verti needs to make the playoffs first and break that viginity. Then we can look to hanging Banners in SAC. Seeing kids flock to other schools tells me this will go on until he starts winning. by then it could be too late...I am sure we want the same thing and thats a winner but I guess you have more tolerance than I do. All these haters coming in here and running their smack on us irritates the F out of me....I am hoping we come out strong this year and prove everyone wrong....I just hope Verti has together this year....I hear he did not even have a gameplan for ND last year and actually threw in the towel during that week...we dont need that this year...we need him to do his best coaching.

Bluebalz,
I stand corrected it was Cerritos but it was still the same outcome and for that you say I have no clue. I don't know when your time was at AMAT but in my day it championships or at least in the big game. All I am saying is give Verti as much slack as was given to DiFiori and I am pretty sure he will lead us to where we need to be. Hanging banners in the SAC.

Joe Jimenez (AKA Anonymous)

He keeps you coming back for more - you can't get enough, and you can't stand him. Like Aram said, if you don't like it - JET. Life will go on, I promise. :)

Response: Aram

Thanks for the law updates, they provide great arguments in any court of law.

I question, if you are not monitoring this blog-site (as you said 24/7) then who is responsible upon monitoring it?

Are we to believe that everyone has total immunity from being responsible adults? If that is the case, maybe someone should think about changing this blog-site from "ARAM TOLEGIAN ON PREP SPORTS," to some other blogging title. Does vicariuos liability ring a bell?

In your defense, I will admit that on other occasions I have pointed out certain blogging messages (posts) that you have quickly deleted. For that we (I) applaude you. Maybe instead of addressing me as a complainer and/or malcontent you might address (in written form) the person or persons that continue to abuse the rights of others.

FYI: My family came to this land walking....we don't know what it means to "Jet" anywhere.

ellen -- really, you think so? he writes a sports column, couldn't anyone in their field do that? I mean really come on. would the Trib really hate to see him jet...I am pretty sure customers vs. one little fish in the big pond... get real, it's a business and it all comes down to the customers. besides as i said before, most of enjoy the "other" peopel that contribute. personally i can't stand his false arrogance and i laugh that he gets so big and proud.. start your own blog and see what it does, not under the Tribune's followers and easy acces that the tribune allows him. would it really matter if i put my name.. signed, Joe Jimenez

Amat 73,

You have no clue in what you are talking about. It was not Veterans Stadium it was Cerritos College, and you call yourself Amat 73....hippy days I know, too much whack tabacky you CRS.........Championships are the best but I am not even talking championships I am talking getting to playoffs first and trying to make a run towards a banner...we cannot even get in. Difiori got us in and had us on the verge and I agree not going for it on 4th and a foot and electing to go for a field goal was insane..We were knocking on the door tho. This coach is young and better kick this team into gear and get in.........there is not enuf patients with old and new Amat fans, boosters, parents and alumni....I dont care if Amat gets beat in the first round but to not make the playoffs at all for the 4th straight year is not good....He has got to prove he is worth the hire....Ben Howland John Wooden.......Verti is 29 yrs. old and you want him to match wits with the legends out there...he is getting his a-- kicked......Verti is the one that needs to step it up.

Bluebalz,
Maybe some of your pain has do with the many years of great talent we had with DiFiori and wound up with nothing but hearbreak to show for it. I can remember the playoff game against Loyola at Veterans Stadium in 03 and we had them with their backs against the wall as we marched down the field only to have DiFiori go for a field goal and it was botched . He had so many years of not taking us to the promised land when we clearly should have been their and now after one season you are calling for Coach Verti's head. You sound like one of the new breed of AMAT fan who just wants glory without the blood and sweat that goes into it.

Anonymous,

I think the only person the Trib would hate to see jet would be Aram. Personally, I'm all for 3rd party bashing....but hey, that's just me....

Seriously?? "Higher Authority"? It's a freaking blog...if you want spirituality hit up your local church.

Keep up the good work Aram. Some of us appreciate it.

Higher authority?? I hope you mean Aram's bosses and supervisors and not 'the man upstairs' yeah you would think they would be pretty concerned about all that HE allows on here. he digs the people tuning into wild savages, enjoys stirring it up. but overall, it's all good reading from most of the bloggers. i appreciate the diversity, but not the disrespect.

Thirty-four southland high schools will participate in the ninth annual Tournament of Champions football tournament that features passing and lineman competitions scheduled Saturday (7/21) at Santa Fe High School.

Check-in is 8 a.m. Competition begins at 9 a.m. and continues to about 4 p.m., according to Santa Fe coach Jack Mahlstede.

Championships in both categories will be determined. Last year’s winners, John W. North (passing) and Corona Centennial (linemen) are not competing, and neither is three-time champion St. Bonaventure (2004-2006), but the field is loaded with quality programs ready to challenge strong opponents.

“We have some really good teams who participate,” Santa Fe coach Jack Mahlstede said. “It’s been a great show every year.”

In addition to the Chiefs, Whittier area schools competing are California, St. Paul, Whittier and Whittier Christian. Among other CIF Southern Section teams entered are Arcadia, Arroyo, Don Bosco Tech, El Monte, South El Monte, CIF-SS, Northern Division and state champion Canyon Country Canyon, former TofC champion Mira Costa, and Western Division finalist Chaminade and semifinalist Chaminade.

Entries from the CIF-LA City Section are playoff semifinalist Carson, Banning, Narbonne and Reseda.
Mahlstede said each team will play five games in the morning session and could end up playing as many as eight games.

In addition to the weight lifting, Mahlstede said the linemen competition includes such events a relays, jumping rope, an obstacle course and finishing with a tug of war.

In addition to the Santa Fe HS play fields, the events will be held at adjacent Lakeview Elementary School and nearby Lake Center Athletic Park.

There is no admission charge for spectators, and a snack bar, manned by caterer Cafe n’ Stuff, will be available.

You are 2, you seemed pretty "concerned' when you deleted all your rude responses to others... you sure you have looked into it thoroughly???? really thorough????? We live in a very law-conscience world youknow.

omg u guys getting on coach verti are crazy!...u have to be bitter amat parents

man i do not like amat, but at the same time give the guy sometine. Look at ben howland when he first came to UCLA. There record wasnt all that great. From what i remember they barely sneak into the NCAA tourney. It took about 3 good years. John wooden didnt win his first title years into his coaching

Pete carrol Same thing the guy was below 500. the year before they take off with heismans and all this other crap.

watch when he does and if he does start winning everyone will embrace him as a "god" the "savior"
to amat. i guarentee it!

Supreme Court?.... How about the HIGHER authority!

California Supreme Court says individuals not liable for defamatory online third party acts

The California Supreme Court's opinion in Barrett v. Rosenthal issued today, and, as was widely anticipated, the Court reversed the appellate decision that was under review. Although the case involved a newsgroup posting, today's decision is nevertheless excellent news for bloggers, and brings California law in line with that of other jurisdictions that have likewise found Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act to be a shield for Internet publishers against defamation claims related to the statements of third parties. The Court concluded (PDF) that the mere fact a publisher may be on notice of the potentially defamatory nature of third party material does not destroy the applicable statutory immunity:

The great variety of Internet publications, and the different levels of content control that may be exercised by service providers and users, do not undermine the conclusion that Congress intended to create a blanket immunity from tort liability for online republication of third party content. Requiring providers, users, and courts to account for the nuances of common law defamation, and all the various ways they might play out in the Internet environment, is a Herculean assignment that we are reluctant to impose. We conclude the Zeran court accurately diagnosed the problems that would attend notice-based liability for service providers. [Slip opinion, p.26]

The Court further wisely decided that Congress intended Section 230's immunity to apply equally to "distributors" and individual users of interactive computer services, or, more precisely, that no meaningful distinction exists:

As Rosenthal points out, the congressional purpose of fostering free speech on the Internet supports the extension of section 230 immunity to active individual "users." It is they who provide much of the "diversity of political discourse," the pursuit of "opportunities for cultural development," and the exploration of "myriad avenues for intellectual activity" that the statute was meant to protect. (§ 230(a)(3).) The approach taken by the Batzel dissent would tend to chill the free exercise of Internet expression, and could frustrate the goal of providing an incentive for self-regulation. A user who removed some offensive content might face liability for "actively selecting" the remaining material. Users in this position, no less than the service providers discussed by the Zeran court, would be motivated to delete marginally offensive material, restricting the scope of online discussion. Some users, at least those like Rosenthal who engage in high-volume Internet posting, might be discouraged from screening third party content. Although individual users may face the threat of liability less frequently than institutional service providers, their lack of comparable financial and legal resources makes that threat no less intimidating.

We conclude there is no basis for deriving a special meaning for the term "user" in section 230(c)(1), or any operative distinction between "active" and "passive" Internet use. By declaring that no "user" may be treated as a "publisher" of third party content, Congress has comprehensively immunized republication by individual Internet users. [Slip opinion, p. 33]

This is a good decision for blogging and online discourse in general, one that helps ensure defamation claims can go forward where and against such parties as may be appropriate, without unduly chilling speech. Kudos to EFF for its involvement. More coverage from Professor Volokh, [updated, 11/21/06, 3:09 a.m.] Professor Goldman, Evan Brown, Peter Lattman, Danny at Beltway Blogroll, and Dan Gillmor.

It remains to be seen whether Section 230, which applies to the "Internet and other interactive computer services," will be found to apply to podcasts and videocasts. As I read the Act's definitions it should, but you never know.

By: Michael Hayes (Courtesy of XBIZ.com)

Posted: 11/21/2006

Sacramento, Calif. - In a decision that could have profound repercussions for web publishers, bloggers and anyone who posts to online message boards, the California Supreme Court said those who republish defamatory
statements online couldn.t be held liable.

The unanimous ruling deals with the 1996 Communications Decency Act. Earlier court rulings had construed Section 230 of the statute to provide a shield for companies such as AOL and eBay from liability for defamatory
remarks made by others, provided that the companies make a good faith effort to restrict access to material that could be considered "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing or otherwise
objectionable."

In drafting the law, Congress "has comprehensively immunized republication by individual Internet users, intending to protect online freedom of expression and to encourage self-regulation," Associate Justice Carol
Corrigan said.

The case arises out of allegedly libelous statements made online by Ilena Rosenthal, a women.s health advocate, who published a letter by co-defendant Tim Bolen attacking Pennsylvania psychiatrist Stephen Barrett
and Canadian doctor Terry Polevoy for their unfavorable views of alternative medicine.

Alameda County Superior Court Judge James Richman tossed the libel suit in 2001, but a San Francisco appellate court reinstated the case saying that an email from Barrett threatening to sue Rosenthal put her on notice that
she could be held liable for publishing Bolen's letter. That ruling prompted a range of online companies, including Earthlink and Amazon.com, as well as the Electronic Frontier Foundation, to file amicus briefs on behalf of Rosenthal and Bolen, arguing that imposing liability after a potential plaintiff sends email notice threatening to sue could
chill free speech.

While the court said, "recognizing broad immunity for defamatory republications on the Internet has some troubling consequences," the justices concluded that lawmakers would be the ultimate arbiters of the issue. "Unless Congress revises the law, anyone who claims to be defamed by an Internet posting may seek damages only from the original source of the statement," Corrigan said.

EFF attorney Lee Tien praised the decision, saying that "it's so patently obvious that users are protected by the plain language and policy of [Section] 230."

In decision, Corrigan noted that the defamation jurisprudence developed over the lengthy history of offline publishing isn.t always a source from which judges can rely upon without accounting for changes in technology.

In offline defamation cases, the law distinguishes between "publishers," such as newspapers, and "distributors," such as newsstands. Distributors can only be held liable if they are given notice of a defamatory statement
contained in the publications they sell.

Corrigan said transferring such distinctions to the online world could chill free speech because of the ease with which anyone could use the so-called "heckler's veto," thereby putting online publisher on notice and potentially opening them to liability.

Possibly leaving open a remedy for plaintiffs who are victims of particularly egregious conduct, Justice Carlos Moreno wrote in his concurring opinion that the law and the ruling should not be read to immunize Internet users who republish libelous speech if they have conspired with the originator of the statement.

By Iain Thomson, vnunet.com 21 Nov 2006

ADVERTISEMENTThe California Supreme Court has ruled that internet service providers and bloggers cannot be sued for third-party comments posted on their sites.

In the case of Barrett versus Rosenthal the court found that only the originator of the content could be sued, but that third parties who repost the material should be immune from prosecution.

The ruling has profound implications for the future of internet content. We acknowledge that recognising broad immunity for defamatory republications on the internet has some troubling consequences," said the court.

"Until Congress chooses to revise the settled law in this area, however, plaintiffs who contend they were defamed in an internet posting may only seek recovery from the original source of the statement."

The case stemmed from two doctors who ran websites debunking some alternative medicines and seeking to identify medical fraud.

Ilena Rosenthal, an alternative health practitioner, posted a letter from a third party on her website which accused the two doctors of being Nazis and " hired guns for vested interests", and suggested that both had
engaged in criminal activities.

The two doctors sued and the courts initially found in their favor. During her appeal Rosenthal received extensive support from Google, eBay, Amazon and free speech groups, and today's ruling was hailed as a victory for free speech.

"By reaffirming that Congress intended to grant protection to those who provide a forum for the views of others, the Court has ensured that the internet will remain a vibrant forum for debate and the free exchange of ideas," said Ann Brick, staff attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California. "Any other ruling would have inevitably made speech on the internet less free."

The ruling does not protect the original poster of the comments, but found that internet sites should receive the same protections as "common carriers" like telephone companies rather than being seen as publishers
responsible for content.

"The Supreme Court's opinion strengthens protection for speech on the internet," said Mark Goldowitz, director of the California Anti-SLAPP Project and counsel for Rosenthal. "Justice Corrigan's opinion protects against the 'heckler's veto' chilling speech on the internet."

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By BLOOMBERG NEWS
Published: November 21, 2006

The California Supreme Court said yesterday that Internet publishers could not be held liable if they posted defamatory comments written by others, a victory for online companies like Google and AOL.

The court, in a unanimous decision, said those claiming defamation could sue only the original source of the comments, not publishers or distributors, even if the distributor was an individual. Internet users are protected by the same 1996 Communications Decency Act that grants immunity against defamation claims to publishers in most circumstances, the court said, overturning a San Francisco appeals court.

The ruling means that plaintiffs claiming defamation cannot get around the 1996 federal law by filing state suits. Internet service providers, search engine companies and civil liberties groups said that holding Web
publishers liable would force Internet companies to keep track of every posting in every discussion group.

The case represents the first time an individual sought the same immunity from defamation liability that is afforded to Internet service providers under federal law, the court said.

"It's good news for free speech on the Internet because the Internet can't be the vibrant forum for free speech that it's become if users and Internet service providers alike have to worry about getting sued when they republish something that someone else says," said Ann Brick, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union.

The case involved a Web site operator who received and posted an e-mail message critical of a doctor.

All of this because plaid lad wants to defend a coach that isn't worth defending. This guy should write a book like OJ. "If I had Screwed Players, This is How I Would Have Done It".

Anonymous,

Cry, cry, cry. It's all very familiar. Who's site do you continue to patronize? Anyway, help me understand those slander laws. Are they the ones that state newspapers and other media Web sites are not responsible for third party comments? Or has California law changed?

Aram -- are you a two-year old????? sour? that is humourous.

oh there is so much worse written on here, i am kind of surprised it is not better supervised. and there are huge liability and slander issues on there all the time. you would think

Poor Anonymous, still sour and still doesn't get it.

I applaud Plaid-lad, and I am almost positive this will be deleted as well. i occasionally drop in here, but mainly we are baseball people and we have had the same issues.....2 names - Quinley and Henley. My thoughts are the same, HE forgets that this is a reflection on the SGV TRIBUNE.. It's not HIS own persoal bog but he stands tall with his chest all puffed out...Give me a fricken break.. You see if i type his name out it will red-flag him and we will never see the post.. HE brags about how many hits and all..but it's probably the same 10 guys. I get we can just JET as HE so kindly types (big man that he is) but I wander if the TRIB would really want all of us to JET. We enjoy the sports talk so get over yourself BIG GUY. You can learn a thing or two from guys like Plaid-lad.. Oh well til aka -- mike the clown -- reads this one

Plaid LAD,

All I am saying is that much harsher words have been used on this blog to describe other people. I didn't see you flying in with your cape and tights to stp those wrongdoings. How about you try and be a little consistant.

Plaid Lad,

You're not monitoring, you're accusing. Your assertion of had the same things been said about me they'd have been deleted faster than what occurred is ridiculous and an accusation.

I'm gonna make something very clear for you or anybody else with the same issue - I CANNOT BE ON HERE 24/7. I rely on people staying within the rules, and for the most part, they do. But there's a strong chance something that might offend you will be posted here and not removed fast enough for your taste. If this is too much for you, then jet. I understand.

"Sounds like Verti has cleaned house and is building a "team". "
Posted by: fifty cents at July 19, 2007 01:37 PM

Are you O.K.? Do you have a fever or something? That is the complete opposite of everything that has happened at Amat and has been said. You're delusional.

Response : Aram & Anonymous

Reaching...no, I'm not reaching.....monitoring, yes! I do believe that each of us have a certain responsibility on this site and when things are said using words (which I would hope are not used everyday by adults in an open arena)...then yes, we do have the responsibilty of addressing them. People can have different opinions about things that are discussed on this blog site and additionally express themselves in a variety of ways, but what was posted (for five or five hundred minutes) could have been addressed with fire and brim-stone differently achieving the same expressions without using certain words. If this does not matter to either of you, then why not try walking around your office calling your bosses or customers those same names (to their face)...and then let'see how far that get you in the umemployment line.

Sounds like Verti has cleaned house and is building a "team". I have a feeling all you Verti haters are going to eat crow and end up like all the coach Q haters from Charter Oak. Some of you arm chair experts are a joke. You want to win at any cost. there is a word for people like that. WH*RES. Amat will win, with class and dignaty. Thats Amats true tradition. Open your eyes..

Amat 73....give it more time.....F-THAT!....HE BETTER WIN THIS YEAR AND GET A PLAYOFF BID. I dont care by coin toss or Al Large he better get in. the natives are getting restless and if you have a kid thats a senior his two years of Varsity ball were a bunch of Cra- in this coaching situation.....last year was his first year and after the games in the parking lot parents of now departed players were screaming about his lack of coaching knowledge and being out coached by the more mature established coaches. Carson and Crespi and Hart were poetential wins but he made no adjustments at halftime and his opposition did and came out in the second half and kick Amats a-- in front of their home crowd.....If he does not get us in this year I feel sorry for the seniors who never saw the postseason and I can see the juniors bailing.......this once proud school of football is going down like a house of bricks if Verti does not deliver this year......

Plaid Lad,

You're really reaching now. I cannot be on here 24/7 monitoring comments. When I see something that needs deleting, it gets deleted. The inappropriate comment you're referring to lasted, oh I don't know, about 5 minutes before it was gone. But you're looking for any excuse, right?

Plaid Lad,

Verti is a an adult(in years), like the parents of players who get called and accused of all sorts of things on this blog. He is not immune to it nor does he get a free pass. If you have a problem with it, hit shut down on your PC.

Aram why is it that no matter what topic you pick it turns out to be all about Amat. This topic is about the kid from SH leaving. These Amat supporters on this blogg need to LOG OFF NOW and let it go we all know that Amat is a good school with a good football team they are going through some bumps as all schools do. You Amat supporters are just making ALOT of SGV players dislike that school. You guys are out of you minds.

People on here cant handle the truth! The truth hurts doesnt it!

It is very nice to see so many people concerned with our football program. Could it be that alot of the kids who left were promised things by DiFiori and when he left they were not given to them and they became bitter. Coach Verti has only had one complete season and spring ball of another. He did play alot of new kids last year and maybe that was to see what he had as talent. He did make some coaching changes which we will see if they work out. In the end what will matter is the won and loss record . Let's give it more time especially after this tuff season we will be facing.If it still looks bleek and like total disaray on the field as was happening at times with DiFiori, I would join the ranks and admit it was a mistake to go with someone of his experience level.

Response: Aram

Why would you and/or the Tribune allow someone on this blog to say that Coach Mark Verti was a "Prick." I'm sure if someone was to blog that noun in response to you (Aram)....you would have deleted its print before it ever hit this site. Aram...show some control and clean it up.

Amat has just flat out say they made a mistake in the hiring process of Coach Verti. Unless it is a long term approach. With Amat Alumni this just will not fly, they want a winner on the field now. Like Kobe's situation with the Lakers he wants to win now and Mitch and Jerry are looking to the future. Kobe wants out just like the kids that left Amat. In ten years Verti may bring it around but as of right now we are stuck losing with this inexperience head coach.....I bet the parents of the Seniors and Juniors would love to have a Mature 40 and over established coach running the program right now...lots of the faculty do not like that Amat is highly associated with the reputation of their football program...they want it to be known as a acedemic school and not a football school.....so certain faculty members screw with certain players and try to force them out.....this is in no way a black white issue it is football vs acedemics issue.

D1 or just colleges in general, Verti does not have a open door policy to this and picks and chooses how he handles the recruiting Inquiries. Aram expand on his maturity level vs other established head coaches. Is it a waiting game Amat has to live with for the time being until Verti Matures mentally into a sound coach?...whats your take.......? I say he will start to come around by age 36....right now he is still kind of kid minded.....no respect from his player because of this and the major defections from the school as well because of this.

Aram,

To answer your question.... Austin, Wells, Wagner, McBride, Bonilla, Sermons. It is a huge story, you should probably call all these families and speak to them yourself. This doesn't include guys with the potential and talent that he didn't allow to even play much last year like Mead, Lopez, Tillis, Iglesias. Everyone of these guys will be starting at Amat or somewhere else this season.

There is no defense, he came through that very system, as a player and assistant coach. He knows as well as anybody what is required and expected. That was supposedly one of the selling points of him being named the head coach.

In Coach Verti's defense, hasn't he only been the "the man" for a year? And who were the supposed D-1 prospects that he stiffed?

All said about Verti is true, I'm very sad to say. As others have said, 2 years of varsity football is a short time to make something happen, regarding getting a free education. What makes the difference between 2 athletes being considered for a scholarship that are similar in ability? The college's relationship with the HS coach. People no longer have the time or the tolerance for the BS. There is too much at stake these days regarding a free college education. If you're willing to allow a head coach, one man determine the future of your kid, you are a fool.

Verti is a young man himself..still kind of leaving the kid hood at his age. Very young minded and holds grudges and does not know how to seperate the personal business from the professional business. He may not like a kid personally but if that kid is good, business tells you to open that door to recruiters and not take it personally. His age definitley has something to do with the way Amat football is preceived nowadays and why kids are leaving to play for a more mature and established coach. Coach Verti has lots of growing up to do in the way he relates to players. Hiring a late 20's coach vs. hiring a a 40 and over coach is a big differance in maturity level. Kids are not taking to his young approach and some do not like him. He has to know this. From what I understand his first year last year he never had a pregame pep talk before games in the locker room before they took to the field to fire his team up...when I see clips of Coach Rollinson over at Mater Dei talking to his team in the locker room before a game I say to myself , now thats real coaching...I do not see that in Verti......but I guess someday when he matures he will learn to do this type of coaching but as far as right now goes I think his ego is too big and he just does not have that respect from his players yet..maybe someday but as of right now our era is stuck with this transition and our seniors and Juniors are suffering because of this...nothing anyone can do but ride out this storm...we were caught in a bad time of this rich tradition of Amat football.

AMAT SUCKS U GUYS AREN'T EVEN FAVORED TO WIN LEAGUE GET OVER IT THEY SHOULD START RECRUITING AGAIN WAY TO GO TO GO WITH NAMING A PLAYER THAT GOES TO CHAFFEY A STUPID JUNIOR COLLEGE

Anonymous...

I somewhat agree with "A Lancer who knows" that Verti doesn't go out of his way to help the players with recruiting. Verti will have a tape made and he told the players the tape would be sent out to coaches?. That hasn't been confirmed. Verti will greet the coaches when they come to the school but that's about it. If college coaches call for players they are NOT notified as of who is interested. Parents of former players who are in college now have told current parents that they would have to due their own recruiting for their son. Amat coaches live under the theory that the recruiters would come and find the players just because it's Amat. Verti probably feels he doesn't have to establish any relationship with the college recruiters. If you look on www.rivals.com database it indicates that Dominique Austin has five offers from colleges. I wonder how much has Verti helped the Austin family with the recruiting process and if he even knows who offered Austin. I saw his dad at a practice and I asked him if the football staff has helped with Austin's recruitment. He wouldn't give an answer regarding the coaches but he did say he has learn the process from talking with recruiters and past Amat college players who have offered their advice. The point I'm trying to make is Verti needs to due more than just coach. Amat needs to rebuild or the ship will completely sink. Verti start by helpimg Austin, Mead, Wagner, Silva and the rest of that good senior class before it's to late.

Joe Amat,

I think we all have you list memorized, I must see this list of great Amat players every week. Just in case I posted it again. Maybe you will give us next week off since it was posted twice this week.

CESAR RODRIGUEZ
2002
UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS
CHRIS SEALS
2002
CHAFFEY COLLEGE
WILLIAM ROBINSON
2002
SAN DIEGO STATE
LAMARR ROBINSON
2003
SACRAMENTO STATE
JOSE RODRIGUEZ
2004
UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS
JONATHAN SOTO
2004
SAN DIEGO STATE
MICHAEL COMBES
2004
UNIVERSITY OF REDLANDS
MATTHEW RAMIREZ
2004
WHITTIER
ANTHONY HUNTLEY
2005
ALABAMA STATE
JONATHAN CORNELL
2005
UNIVERSITY OF MISSISSIPPI
BRANDON BENNETT
2005
UCLA
VINCENT FEDERICO
2005
UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO
CODY NEELY
2005
UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO
TONY VALENZUELA
2005
IONA COLLEGE
DANIEL ROBLES
2005
ST MARY'S COLLEGE

LANCERS WHO PLAYED PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL

ADRIAN YOUNG

1963
PHILADELPHIA

PAT HADEN

1971
LOS ANGELES RAMS

JOHN MCKAY JR.

1971
TAMPABAY

JOHN SCIARRA

1972
PHILADELPHIA

BRIAN KELLY

1974
CANADIAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE

PAUL MCDONALD

1976
DALLAS

ARNOLD FIELDS

1981
PITTSBURGH

RON BROWN

1982
LOS ANGELES RAIDERS

RANDY TANNER

1983
NEW YORK JETS

DERECK TAYLOR

1983
CANADIAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE

JOHN JACKSON

1984
ST. LOUIS RAMS

ERIC BIENIEMY

1986
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

TROY AUZENNE

1986
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

CHARLES FRALEY

1986
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

MAZIO ROYSTER

1987
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

SCOTT FIELDS

1991
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

DAYLON MCCUTCHEON

1994
CLEVELAND BROWNS (ACTIVE)

KORY MINOR

1994
CAROLINA PANTHERS

RALPH BROWN

1995
CLEVELAND BROWNS (ACTIVE)

BRIAN RUSSELL

1995
CLEVELAND BROWNS (ACTIVE)

JOEY GETHERALL

1996
MIAMI DOLPHINS

JASON LEACH

2000
SAN DIEGO CHARGERS

Mr. Brightside, Ask the parents of the very players you mentioned how Verti has helped their recruiting process. Please ask. It's an eye opener. These kids and parents did it without Verti's help. You're just blind or plain stupid.

Joe Amat, the list is impressive but its all before the current staff. Fletcher was the only player this year to go and that was to the military. He will be the first to tell you DiFiori had more influence on him even getting a scholarship. I believe Mead, McBride, Tillis, Wells and others received similar offers from various military academies after performing at Nike Camps. Again, their own doing. Verti did even know about these camps until after the fact.

Someone who knows more, Videos...LMAO.... are you serious? The video you are talking about is a season highlight video of the entire team. Its handed out at the banquet. That does nothing for the recruiting process. A scout is looking for film on the individual player. But you should know that since you are so familiar with the recruiting process. What has Verti done? I ask again.

"Amat, is respectful and cordial in how they have handle things. In no way did they expose or release anything about players in a negative light. Instead, they have let these players try and succeed and only hope for the best of them. They have shown character in the face of adversity."
Really thsts why Verti wouldn't even give players who left a copy of the team video, they were part of the team and in the video. Real classy, real Christian of them. It isn't they keep quiet because of character, they do so because of the legal ramifications to follow if they don't.

You give this coaching staff way more credit than they deserve.

But you know more......

The Willison transfer is way out of hand. First, the young man has never been in a Varsity game, so nothing is proven. He is just a Sophomore at this point. If he is waiting in line from what everyone is saying, should be two more years. Not to mention the SH baseball program will have a waiting line as well. Than why not seek a better opportunity? Chris is a good kid with plenty of upside, he may find what he's looking for at SP. If not, I'm sure LA or Amat will gladly except his transfer in 08. You know SH will not have a problem with his return. Sending him to a local rebuilding school would not be the best either. Why get him killed trying to find playing time. Most of the local alternatives don't have the talent to protect him or help him. He would just be broken up in two months. Amat has had more transfers out than any other school in the valley, why is that? For the Amat fans, you should investigate that issue instead of why he isn't transferring in!! It's too bad schools recruit, but is just a fact. LA has a kid, who just transfered in, while his brother attends CO. They reside in La Verne! Go figure. Don't hear Bonita bitching about it. Anyone in the SGV sporting arena, knows LA,CO,Amat,SH,NV recruit for a lot of their programs. One kid goes out of the area to play ball and right away his parents are bad people and he should be a lineman. stop crying, haters. Good luck Chris.

I suspect private school graduates who continue in college and pro programs would easily out number that of public school graduates. After all, private schools have the ability to recruit the cream of the crop where public schools rarely have that opportunity. So, Joe, when I see a list of College/pro players that have graduated from Amat, am I suppose to compare that to public school graduates (don't think so) or other private school programs?

Just wondering...not ment to be a slam.

Some people are just ignorant when it comes to recruiting! Some people are completely and truly ignorant about it. Verti does a great job of getting kids exposure. He even has videos made and sent to schools to have these these players seen. Just ask the kids. But we think we know everything, when some people really have no idea.

People say Amat is a sinking ship. Well, I beg to differ. People say they transfer for this and that reason. Yet, no one knows the real reason people do transfer. I've been around this program for many years now. And I know reason why some of these players left. Or why some had to leave. Amat, is respectful and cordial in how they have handle things. In no way did they expose or release anything about players in a negative light. Instead, they have let these players try and succeed and only hope for the best of them. They have shown character in the face of adversity. But some people just dont know that. Some people really just dont know.

This doesn't include the dozens of players who HAVE gone on to play in college only
LANCERS *CURRENTLY* PLAYING COLLEGE FOOTBALL

CESAR RODRIGUEZ
2002
UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS
CHRIS SEALS
2002
CHAFFEY COLLEGE
WILLIAM ROBINSON
2002
SAN DIEGO STATE
LAMARR ROBINSON
2003
SACRAMENTO STATE
JOSE RODRIGUEZ
2004
UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS
JONATHAN SOTO
2004
SAN DIEGO STATE
MICHAEL COMBES
2004
UNIVERSITY OF REDLANDS
MATTHEW RAMIREZ
2004
WHITTIER
ANTHONY HUNTLEY
2005
ALABAMA STATE
JONATHAN CORNELL
2005
UNIVERSITY OF MISSISSIPPI
BRANDON BENNETT
2005
UCLA
VINCENT FEDERICO
2005
UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO
CODY NEELY
2005
UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO
TONY VALENZUELA
2005
IONA COLLEGE
DANIEL ROBLES
2005
ST MARY'S COLLEGE

LANCERS WHO PLAYED PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL

ADRIAN YOUNG

1963
PHILADELPHIA

PAT HADEN

1971
LOS ANGELES RAMS

JOHN MCKAY JR.

1971
TAMPABAY

JOHN SCIARRA

1972
PHILADELPHIA

BRIAN KELLY

1974
CANADIAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE

PAUL MCDONALD

1976
DALLAS

ARNOLD FIELDS

1981
PITTSBURGH

RON BROWN

1982
LOS ANGELES RAIDERS

RANDY TANNER

1983
NEW YORK JETS

DERECK TAYLOR

1983
CANADIAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE

JOHN JACKSON

1984
ST. LOUIS RAMS

ERIC BIENIEMY

1986
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

TROY AUZENNE

1986
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

CHARLES FRALEY

1986
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

MAZIO ROYSTER

1987
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

SCOTT FIELDS

1991
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

DAYLON MCCUTCHEON

1994
CLEVELAND BROWNS (ACTIVE)

KORY MINOR

1994
CAROLINA PANTHERS

RALPH BROWN

1995
CLEVELAND BROWNS (ACTIVE)

BRIAN RUSSELL

1995
CLEVELAND BROWNS (ACTIVE)

JOEY GETHERALL

1996
MIAMI DOLPHINS

JASON LEACH

2000
SAN DIEGO CHARGERS

what do you guys think about pooling our resources and setting up a list of area hs teams who have sent players on to the next level.

can we limit it just to the 1a and 1aa levels? also, its fine if they used the juco route, as long as you mention it.

so here is the format i propose.

[name] [h.s.] [class] [college] [juco]
==========================================
[shaun cody] [los altos] [2001] [usc] [no]

i am just curious about how well these private schools do in getting players to the next level.

this would be another private vs public debate!

A Lancer who knows(sounds like a former lancer who is bitter),

You're an idiot.

signed,
The Recruiters who have offered Austin, the recruiters looking at Mead, the recruiters who were looking at Wells, The UCLA staff who have had the Amat staff to their practices and the many scouts who were at the school during the year.

Anonymous... I can tell you for a fact from experience that Amat is not getting exposure for their athletes. In fact this off season, college coaches came calling on Verti, some for specific players and others looking for talent in general. Verti did nothing to promote any of his players to these scouts. Yes, this includes the standout/star players. In some cases he even provided misinformation. Needless to say, these scouts were very disappointed and don't plan to maintain any future relationship with Verti. He has no credibility with them. Just not acceptable for any school, let alone a D1 high school. I can't speak on other schools in the SGV but THIS IS A MAJOR REASON WHY PLAYERS ARE LEAVING AMAT. This is not hate,slinging or bashing on Verti, just fact. You don't have to believe me, please feel free to contact these schools yourselves. I'm sure the scouts will be happy to speak on it, they surely have nothing to hide. By the way, one school is his alma mater. Who would want to play for that kind of coach.

Thank Goodness:

Posters like you are the worst kind. All about innuendos without anything to back it up. All these unfounded rumors, outright lies, innuendos and personal attacks have turned what was a great place to discuss sports into a mess.

Your post had potential because you had asked a legitimate question on why this one kid chose SP but you had to start slinging the mud. By the way SP has had plenty of kids go to the next level.

Someone who did go to a public HS and got a scholarship!!! at July 18, 2007 09:03 PM,

Thank you for at least leading to it.... I know that the family of this kid are doing all of this just for his Friday night glory.... it's to get him to the next level....right??? So why SP? So they had Nicholas Grigsby last year got UofA but he didn't finished the season ,bc of some racism problems that SP is notorious for... but other than that who else has gone on from their??? If your kid can dominate at Public School great... then it comes down to how much exposure he'll get. But in this instance... I think Amat would have been the more suitable place for him to go, right?? Amat has had some off years, but one thing it does do, it develops players and trains them for the next level. And the teams may not be that great, but they do get exposure. Take this upcoming for example... They will be playing Loyola, Norte Dame, Orange Lutheran, Carson, teams with NATIONALLY ranked players and preseason All- Americans, How many scouts do you think are going to be at those games??? They do get the boys exposed. Look at 2 years ago... they went 5-5, but did they get their ,kids to the big time programs? Yes, Jonathan Cornell ( Ole Miss), Brandon Bennett(Ucla) Vincent Federico and Cody Neely (New Mexico), Tony Valenzuela (Iona (I-AA). So the Question still remains Why SP?

Someone who did go to a public HS and got a scholarship!!! at July 18, 2007 09:03 PM,

Thank you for at least leading to it.... I know that the family of this kid are doing all of this just for his Friday night glory.... it's to get him to the next level....right??? So why SP? So they had Nicholas Grigsby last year got UofA but he didn't finished the season ,bc of some racism problems that SP is notorious for... but other than that who else has gone on from their??? If your kid can dominate at Public School great... then it comes down to how much exposure he'll get. But in this instance... I think Amat would have been the more suitable place for him to go, right?? Amat has had some off years, but one thing it does do, it develops players and trains them for the next level. And the teams may not be that great, but they do get exposure. Take this upcoming for example... They will be playing Loyola, Norte Dame, Orange Lutheran, Carson, teams with NATIONALLY ranked players and preseason All- Americans, How many scouts do you think are going to be at those games??? They do get the boys exposed. Look at 2 years ago... they went 5-5, but did they get their ,kids to the big time programs? Yes, Jonathan Cornell ( Ole Miss), Brandon Bennett(Ucla) Vincent Federico and Cody Neely (New Mexico), Tony Valenzuela (Iona (I-AA). So the Question still remains Why SP?

Here we go again, the Sandelo saga is repeating itself. Why can't parents just teach their kids to have patience, work hard, and beat your competition not run away from it.
The reality is this kid was having a hard time understanding SH's complex offense.
His Daddy have been claiming that his son was going to be the starting QB this year. So Aram when you ask why St Paul? its because the shame was too big so he had run far and away. Dont worry about it in 2 more years he will be back, does that sound familiar?

Additionally Smith just lost another baseball player on top of the ones that were supposed to transfer in, yeah right!

Aram i believe Amat beat SP the last two years but SP beat them in 2000. Last five games 3-2 Amat. Anyhow I wonder why Aram is pushing why these kids arent going to Amat. Why would they go to Amat when they cant even keep the kids they have now happy at their school. Why dont you write about the 27 defections since last season from Amat look into that. That in itself is a story.

If I havent mistaken, High School Football is about getting scholarships and going to College for free!

No matter what Division you play in, in High School. DI, D-II, or D-VII

I know that if my son wants a scholarship, I A: Take him local and have him dominate! or B: Send him to Amat where they get people out!

It's about getting that free education, and playing on Saturdays! You can keep your Pity Friday nights, wearing your letterman jacket at 21 years old, but thats not my goal.

Response: Pat (July 18, 2007 08:17 PM)

Dude and/or Duda.....we have had the pleassure of reading your "CAGADA" twice in one day (July 18, @ 10:45 AM)....Buy a coloring book if you're into cutting and pasting.

to the lil boys, you guys are the ones who always get the glory 100+ running yards per game or a record settin touchdowns,yea thats nice and dandy but w/out us you guys arent crap,all these skill position players tryin to talk crap to their lineman well guess wat keep talkin and ur butts will get kicked and we'll laugh our butts,i wanna see one of those skinny guys try to down block,pass block,pull. and people reconize the skinny people as skill players,guess wat if those blocks i just read arent w/ skill ur out of ur freakin minds,i wanna see a skinny try to stop the blitz

Schools area has nothing to do with their football program......getting a Raspada? WTF does any of that have to do with this issue. Bottom line you want your kid to start as a freshman and Sophmore at the QB level than take him to a rebuilding program and let him shine there. Maybe not get the wins but he will play. Walnut is a great example...Not a good team and plenty of openings for a guy with this much talent as they say Willison has. Take him to Mark Keppel, San Gabriel, Gabrelino, Rosemead, Gladstone, some of the teams that are rebuilding......let him play there for his soph. and then move him to St. Paul or Amat or back to So. Hills for his jr. and senior years. If it is playing time and exp. you want then do it this way......By the way St. Paul is a D2 program not a D1.

I would rather send my kid to Diamond Bar if you gonna talk football. Especially since it seems the Brahmas are quite possibly on the uprise. All in all Walnut is a GREAT school , but NOT a football school.

Response: Anonymous

Bro...Inspector Columbo you are not!....I blog under one and only one handle and that is "Plaid Lad."

With all of the miles other bloggers are getting out of using your handle (Anonymous)....you really need to consider a different blogging name.

Would Plaid Lad stop posting under anonymous, you are not fooling anybody, very obvious mr oblivious and dont say its not you that is just a waste of your precious gray space

http://cifss.org/uploadpdf/adminhandbook.doc

Here's the complete transfer eligibility rules that Joe Amat quoted from.

Here's the bottom line....
Willson is leaving SH plain and simply because his dad wants him starting as a sophmore. However, they were not told by the recruiting co-ordinater from St. Paul that 2 other freshmen checked in this summer also.
This kid and his dad are notorious for leaving when it's time to "battle" for a spot.
Don't worry, by this time next year he and his family will be moving in order to start somewhere else!!

To Big boys and everyone else that keep crying to Aram about putting the top 10 linemen, Stop nagging like a bounch of little girls if he puts it great if not get over it. you sound silly, what you think your name is going to be picked or something and you want the bloggers to talk about you so you can show your mom and dad the bloggg...

LA Conq,

Exactly could not have said it better myself, just a bunch of self serving individuals....just pathetic.

Hey Joe...thanks for posting that, It’s pretty interesting stuff. I can only imagine some over zealous rah, rah button wearing parent filling out those documents knowing full well they are lying through their teeth and cheating a system with a whole lot of loopholes in it.

OUT!

Mike the Clone

"I know for certain that South Hills is favored to win a CIF title this season and could be one of SoCal's top teams."

The Gospel according to Aram.

He says it so it is the truth.

One of SoCal's top teams? Not unless teams in the Valley, I.E., The OC and San Diego stop playing football this year.

Last year it was Amat, this year South Hills. What bandwagon you jumping on next year?

Anyone thinking of transfering for more playing time and a starting position as a underclassmen go to Walnut HS.....they are in desperate need of players..bring your talent with you and transfer...you get to play the likes of So. Hills, WC , Rowland and Nogales........ They are Searching for QB's, WR's and RB's.....If you are a talented Freshman or Soph. you are sure to get on the field with this Walnut team on Friday notes....come one come all.......good school as well.....

As of June 11, 2007 if Chris Willison, or any *freshman to be sophomore*, wants to transfer they can do so to ANY school in the CIF and be IMMEDIATELY eligible WITHOUT any change of address.

The rule reads:

Before the First Day of 10th Grade

A family may make a decision to transfer their student prior to the first day of the student’s 3rd consecutive semester (typically the first semester of the sophomore year) of attendance since the initial enrollment in 9th grade and still retain residential athletic eligibility when the specific conditions are met. The student and his/her family will need to complete all necessary forms to help the new school determine that no recruiting took place and that the student meets all other CIF academic and eligibility standards in order to participate at the new school. These forms must be completed and approved prior to the student participating in a game or contest.

On those forms the parents and both schools must certify that no person who is connected with the athletic department of the enrolling (new) school (School “B”), or is part of the booster club of School “B” or who was acting on their behalf has had communication, directly or indirectly, through intermediaries or otherwise with this transfer student, student's parents, legal guardian, or caregiver, or anyone acting on behalf of this student, prior to the completion of the enrollment process at School “B”.
AND
that the student has not participated during the previous 24 months on any non-school athletic team* (i.e., AAU, American Legion, club team, etc.) that is associated with or coached by anyone associated with the enrolling (new) school (School “B”).

-OR-

If they are unable to certify that one or both of the above statements are true, they must submit a complete written disclosure of the specifics.

That's where it could get tricky.

The telling tale is the choice of St Paul over amat. That used to be a big decision with kids in North Whitter or areas of Hacienda Heights - but not West Covina.

That hurts

It is not what your team can do for you, it is what can you do for your team...I have seen kids with great arms and a great pass catching ability, but when it came time for football they were so big they became part of the O or D line and that helped the team moreso....Parents put this notion in their heads that their kid is a QB and stick with it knowing he cannot perform in the key role aka Tillis Tamayo..do they give up the idea and find a position better suited for him..No...then when all does not go well for their kid because he is riding the pine picking splinters out of his a--...then the parent blames the system or the coach or politics......but the parent never blames himself......such one dimensional brains.

Imagreen...

Well said! I'm tired of seeing parents and kids who decide at the start of their freshmen year what position they will be playing. Ummm...last time I checked that was up to the COACH! Parents, start teaching your kids what it means to be part of a team (sacrifice, compromise, supporting others) and not what it means to be an individual. If you want individual success play golf or tennis. You chose football. If someone is really that phenominal of an athelete they can help out a team in many ways. Do what is best for your team and make a move.

HEY ARAM, like some of my fellow o/d lineman when the heck are u planing to put the top 10 lineman up there,w/out us all these teams arent crap

Response: Aram

Hey, Houdini when are your bloggies going to get a taste of the 411 on SGV's O and D BIG BOYS.

Come-on...do your magic and make it happen....and quit trying to pull out dead rabbits out of your hat...with this "Semi-Breaking News" bunk.

Conqybine, I agree he is not a QB. He should find a school where he is happy and stay. The dream of playing in college is fine, but the really good QB's who play in college don't need to attend 4 high schools hoping they can win a starting spot and still get pushed to WR. He is a nice kid and I wish him well and hope he learns to just enjoy high school football while it lasts. He is a good athelete and can contribute in some way. To all players, enjoy football for the sport!

Shop him around to wherever you want to He is not a qb and will not start for anyone this season...D'ranch or Los Altos........B.T. is not a QB....If he was that good he would be leading Amat right now without a question......whats up with that?

SLIME IS SLIME

AMAT WILL WHACK ST. PAUL AGAIN THIS SEASON.

Add Diamond Ranch to the list of school's Tillis stopped by. Last year in early summer he was trying to compete at QB and did attend the Don Lugo passing league with DR. Also don't blame DR for Haynes injuries. It is football and people get hurt. He played in little over half the games and even less in practice. Maybe he is not practicing because he still hasn't got cleared or hasn't changed his work ethic. DR will be fine without him.

Come on we all know the new recruiting tool is from coach to existing player and from existing player to new recruit. this cannot get traced back to the coach but this is the way it is being done now.......cells phones text messages etc....all undercover from kid to kid but the influence still comes from the top. The coach or assistant coaches are putting the bug in their players ears if they know someone tell them to come over........

The parent of chris should contact CIF before moving their son, unless they are ok with the possibility of him sitting for one year. St. Paul is already under investigation and it is harder and harder for them to say they are not recruiting when so many SGV players are heading their way. Seriously, parents are taking the long commute to Sante Fe for the academics? PLEASE! And by the way, Amat smacked up SP last year. Come to think of it, players are leaving the SGV for St. Paul? When was the last time they were good? 1974? LOL at the sorry swordsmen!

Conqy,

When was the last time St. Paul beat Amat?

Unless this rule was recently put in place how does that explain Tillis leaving Damien his freshman year to go to Amat for his Sophmore and Junior year and now goes to Los Altos for his Senior year?????sounds like two move to me.

Aram,

Kids dont go to Amat because Amat is weak.... Sinking ship.

Aubrey Haynes has not practice with st.paul all spring or summer, he is still trying to recover from his knee surgery , and other injuries sustained at Diamond Ranch , they ran him till the wheels feel off...If Diamond Ranch is so much better without Aubrey , then why are the coaches still trying to get him to go back?

I live in South Hills and work in Pico Rivera takes me 15 minutes to get there when I leave at 6:45. Not a big deal.

Whoa, Hank, don't read anything into my comments other than my comments.

The quality of the school, especially a private, has less to do with the community it is based in than it does with it's tradition and the qualities of the families and staff associated with it. St. Paul, Amat and Loyola are all terrific schools and a kid can get a fine education at any one of them. All three schools are, however, located in areas that are much different than what Chris has grown up with. He won't be beamed onto campus, like Captain Kirk onto the Enterprise, he'll have to drive to SP, about a 45 minute ride from his house at 6 – 7 AM. He will also spend a good deal of time in the area year round since he plays both baseball and football. Since he could walk home from SHHS the requirements of two a days or a night BB games were never an issue. These things are now DIFFERENT.

As you pointed out, St. Paul has traditionally been a community based High School with most of the kids coming in from nearby towns like Pico Rivera and Whittier. Loyola is pretty much self contained and separate from the surrounding community (BTW, Loyola is at Venice and Normandie, not Florence and Normandie). When a Loyola student arrives on campus, he pretty much stays until it's time to go home. If he has a practice or a game two or three hours after school, he probably does his homework on campus, and eats an evening or late afternoon meal there as well. At Amat or St. Paul, the kid goes home or to a classmates home nearby, does his thing and then returns to campus. When you live 15 miles away, your choices are limited.

Again, I wish Chris well and hope he finds success as a Swordsman, both on the field and off. I like him and his family and am certain they are all doing what they consider best for his future.

He didnt go to Amat because we dont need him! I also heard with him and Gabriel Encinas and the other 8 returners for SPs baseball team should make a very formidable opponent for us. Anyhow we'll see how they do this season. I have buddies at SP and they are young in all sports. If someone doesnt put a stop to all that SP is getting the fact is a giant can reawake and that would be very bad for us.

What are you Talking about??? Amat is literally across the street from West Covina... Cross on the other side of Orange and you're in WestCo. But to what you said.... Mater Dei is in Ghetto Santa Ana... but it has all of the OC close to it and it is a closed campus... meaning you have to have an ID to get in, AMAT has WestCo, Walnut, Hacienda Hieght, Rowland Hieghts, parts of Glendora, and Covina( Charter Oak area), which is all Middle to upper class... What's near St. Paul other than Friendly Hills and the Country club area of Whittier (which is usually just of old retierees)??? It is a reality check... going to school at SH, you probably do not see too many gangbangers, the majority of the students are middle to upper class... at SP it is a whole new ballgame... If you hadn't noticed it isn't a lot of middle and upper class at SP. Its like going from UCLA to USC (In that the area that surrounds it) UCLA... your near Brentwood and Westwood (WestCo)... crimes usually home invasion robbery...upper class homes... USC... your in Dwntwn LA (SFS), and... lots of housing projects.... lots of gang related crimes, murders. If that isd not a wake up call I don't know what is. I do not know this kid personally, nor have I ever met him in my life... but if doesn't act right he will get check at SP.

Leaving South Hills for St. Paul based on academics is like leaving Cal for Stanford. OK, you can barely make a case. But you don't make a major culture shock move like this without figuring some things out first. How did St. Paul pop in his head? How did it pop in Aubrey Haynes' head?

I know for certain that South Hills is favored to win a CIF title this season and could be one of SoCal's top teams. There will be Huskies who get D-1 schollies this year ... Umodu, Wells and so on ... so what does St. Paul provide football-wise that South Hills doesn't? And whatever the answer is, then I ask why not Amat? Good academics, they beat St. Paul every year and they play a better high profile schedule. Plus, he starts right away, que no?

Keep in mind that being a freshman, according to the new CIF rules, he could go anywhere with this move. At least that's how I understand it. Any athlete is allowed one move after their frosh year.

Go to the L.A. Times and see in the HS section that a 6'3 QB just transfered from Chatsworth to Granada Hills to play his Senior year. This guy as a junior passed for 1418 yards and 15 touchdowns as a junior last year. Chatsworth is filing a complaint with the City section Athletic office for ALLEDGED UNDUE INFLUENCE!....Sounds like allot of that is happening in the SGV but everyone just turns a deaf ear to it.......but then again this guy has the numbers the rest of these tranfering QB's are just looking for playing time and to make Dad happy.

Schools area has nothing to do with their football program......getting a Raspada? WTF does any of that have to do with this issue. Bottom line you want your kid to start as a freshman and Sophmore at the QB level than take him to a rebuilding program and let him shine there. Maybe not get the wins but he will play. Walnut is a great example...Not a good team and plenty of openings for a guy with this much talent as they say Willison has. Take him to Mark Keppel, San Gabriel, Gabrelino, Rosemead, Gladstone, some of the teams that are rebuilding......let him play there for his soph. and then move him to St. Paul or Amat or back to So. Hills for his jr. and senior years. If it is playing time and exp. you want then do it this way......By the way St. Paul is a D2 program not a D1.

I know for a fact him and Rix didnt see eye to eye. Parham and Deen pay Rix for private lessons it was known he wouldnt play until his senior year. Anyhow I work in Santa Fe Springs and it is a nice area. I thought Los Nietos was the unincorporated part of Whittier. Funny how people talk ish about the area and say why not Amat it is teh crown jewel of Bassett..lol it is in LP but it is closer to Bassett than SP to Los Nietos. Mater Dei is in the ghetto of Santa Ana. I really dont think it matters where the school is located. The population at those school now a days is generally middle class to upper class. Shouldnt be a big change....

If we buy into the idea that these kids are transferring to receive more playing time then I have a question...How many of them are seriously going to receive more playing time at St. Paul? Will Dolberry get more PT than he did at Wilson? Poor Webb didn't get the respect he wanted here at LA...if St. Paul is that much better than us then will they really give him that PT? I don't know Willison, but is he that good that he'll start for a D1 School this year as a sophomore? Haynes will probably start, I'll give you that...but are any of the other kids gonna get that "respect" From St. Paul that they so deserately wanted from their old school?

Don,

you stated, "I'm saying Los Nietos is DIFFERENT than the neighborhood near S Hills CC; I know, it's where I grew up. Lots easier to find a slurpee or a raspado (among other things) over on Greenleaf than it is on Cameron."

What does the neighborhood have to do with the school? As a matter of fact, I'm willing to bet that a very small percentage of students at SP live in the Los Nietos area. Most of their students reside in Whittier, Pico Rivera and Santa Fe Springs. While others come from Montebello, La Mirada, Downey, Norwalk, etc. Based on you're reasoning Bishop Amat HS must be a bad school because its in La Puente or even worse Loyola HS must be worse because its in South Central.

What is wrong with all of you.....The Willison family had to do what they had to do. Did it ever occur to anybody that the reason for the transfer was because of all the politics involved and coaches letting bs get in their heads...especially when most of you parents are trying to live through your children? If you have to move on find a place that will allow you to show what you have (potential and talent)....they by all means, Willison I wish you the best. He was on of the best, just sorry to see that it will now happen at St.Paul. Truly a loss.

If this Kid is as good as certain people are saying he is then why is he a 3rd string QB and why did his parents take him to SH knowing he had no shot over Pharham (sp?) and Deen?...If he was that good then why didn't they take him elsewhere right away and not have him go thru passing league and most of spring training and conditioning over at SH....why not the move over to LA or Bishop or St. Paul, Covina or even WC or Walnut...heck he would be the starter at Walnut without a problem and it is not that far from his home........But lets see the parents want both right...A starting QB position and playing on a poetential winner.....like most you have to wait your turn unless you are a phenom QB...Maturity counts at the Varsity level unless again you are a 6' phenom that just gots what it take to start right now...I dont think this is the case with this kid right now....again sounds like Daddy's dream.

Best of luck to Chris and his family. Chris is a talented kid whom I enjoyed watching and would have made an impact at SHHS. His decision is his own and his familys and should be respected. Best of Luck to you and keep in touch.

You know I'm still not sure where I am on the issue of HS tranferes so I won't say anything about that.

But to go to St. Paul because of the "educational opportunities"... Really? Look St. Paul is an ok school, but frankly South Hills has a more solid academic record than St. Paul does these days.

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“"While I wish Chris the best should the transfer work out, the one thing that hasn't been pointed out is the QUANTUM DIFFERENCE between their upper middle class life experience and three years at St. Paul the Willison family should prepare for. Not worse, maybe not better, just way different."
What are you really trying to say? “

I'm saying Los Nietos is DIFFERENT than the neighborhood near S Hills CC; I know, it's where I grew up. Lots easier to find a slurpee or a raspado (among other things) over on Greenleaf than it is on Cameron. Also the drive between WesCo and SF Springs is nasty in the AM and afternoons; 605 or pulling Hacienda or Fullerton Road every day is asking a lot of a 15 year old kid.

Off topic but still interesting in this discussion regarding St. Paul next year will be an incoming freshman who may end up being the best athlete the school has seen since Jamie Quirk.

aram,
still waiting for the top 10 lineman. come on weve been waiting for over a month. show some love for the guys who are the core of every team

HUSKIE The reason he didnt go to amat has nothing to do Rix.He would have been the backup their for the next 3 season..

From Roger Murray's blog at the Whittier Daily News. I like his last line. After reading Aram's blogs you know he believes otherwise. Why don't you just come out and say it? Or is that against your NY Post style of writing?

QBs aplenty ...
There are those who would argue that it wasn't so long ago St. Paul couldn't find a quarterback on its roster.

This season, it appears there will be at least three, none of them seniors, two of them sophomores and possibly a fourth, who will be
competing for playing time, and all of them reported to be blessed with exceptional talent.

The players who have been working out with the Swordsmen are junior Andrew Canales and sophomores Paul Lopez and Gabriel Encinas.
The fourth is sophomore Chris Willison, a transfer from South Hills who was taking care of the necessary admissions paperwork at St. Paul
Tuesday afternoon.

Canales is a returning letterman who was a reserve and split time early before taking over the starting role in midseason. Lopez, Encinas (who transfered from Santa Fe) and Willison were standouts for their freshman teams.

To halt -- or at least slow -- the rumor train, Willison reportedly also considered Bishop Amat and at least two other schools. One of the main
reasons given for picking St. Paul was "the educational opportunities and the overall program."

There is no reason to believe otherwise.

Hey Aram:

Why don't we make easy on everyone and hand South Hills their CIF championship trophy's for the next 3 years today?

How does the South Hills kool-aid taste?

Thanks Aram. I'm really fed up with the BS people say about kids and their parents on here. As you can see people will make up anything to start Sh**.

"While I wish Chris the best should the transfer work out, the one thing that hasn't been pointed out is the QUANTUM DIFFERENCE between their upper middle class life experience and three years at St. Paul the Willison family should prepare for. Not worse, maybe not better, just way different."

What are you really trying to say?

I don't think this is the same "Anonymous," but nonetheless it's the same worthless result.

Hey illiterate Anonymous, you didn't technically break any rules, but you just bugged me and it was hard to read your stuff. So, I deleted you.

Anonymous... Who confirmed that BS about Wagner? Please stop with the slinging. You are a sad little person. You constanty put out garbage on this blog.

Also, if anyone asks Joe Morales he'd be the first to say that his experience at SP was unbelievable. He had nothing bad to say about SEMHS but did reiterate that if he could do it all over again he would've started his prep career at SP.

Aram,

Just to clear some facts regarding the transfer of Joe Morales to St. Paul.

#1 He attended the St. Paul camp as an 8th grader and was contemplating going there before he ever started HS. Only reason why he didnt was because his older brother played at SEMHS.

#2 He started at SEMHS is Freshman year at OLB.

#3 He left to St. Paul to challenge himself. He already knew what he could do in the MVL and D7. And what better way to prove himself than to go up against D1 powerhouses almost every week.

Just setting the record straight.

I suspect that "geographic boundaries" were created to control the poaching and backdoor recruiting that might occur between schools.

Looking at teams such as Valencia-Valencia, Canyon Country, Saugus, Hart and newbee West Ranch causes each school to co-exist because they are forced to comply with the rules which govern each geographically....in return they remain competitive across the board.

I happen to personally know two the HS coaches from this region and I know for a fact that they take their geographic boundaries seriously. So, naturally creeping over fences for greener pastures is often microscoped and dissected by the powers-to-be before one departs to adorn a new uniform.

Maybe comparing five HS' in a heavily populated area is not the best example....but it seems to work on their competitive scales and earned acheivements.

SGV and it's surrounding area naturally has more to offer then four or five programs and it is due to this and probably much more that "D-1 johnnies" and their parents find it easier to sail with the wind.

Castaneda's dad. isn't he the guy that bought the SH baseball score board when his kid was transferring back and forth to LA?
The guy drove a Mercedes and thought that gave him the right to do anything he wanted.
Now the Pope is saying anyone not a Catholic can't go to heaven.
Sounds like Castaneda is just trying to buy salvation.

While I wish Chris the best should the transfer work out, the one thing that hasn't been pointed out is the QUANTUM DIFFERENCE between their upper middle class life experience and three years at St. Paul the Willison family should prepare for. Not worse, maybe not better, just way different.

All this talk about this kid from SH...well, he's not as St. Paul yet. And if he does end up there....who says he'll be the starter?

willison is not smart! why would you not wait till maybe your junior season to wait to see if u can beat out dean(wich i think is the best of the 3 amigos)and then make your dicesion to leave. i have also seen some of the practices the huskies have had while Rix was there and all 3 of them looked to be having a good time at practice with him. i didnt see any indicator that willison was unhappy with rix, also while i was at that practice i also saw Parham lined up at recievr with Wells and De La Fuente and Dean throwing to them all... anywase i think the family may have pushed the panic button with thier kid as sophmore and not starting....

-hotsauce

Aram,
You are wrong about Jesse Ramirez. It was not size but grades. Remember he was a bigger back than William Wagner. Get your facts straight.

huskie,

How do you know that Chris Willison doesn't like Chris Rix? I heard that Rix really tried to help him at South Hills and that they got along very well? Just wondering where you're getting your info from...

Road Trip!

Okay....MTC you pack the flea collars and a long leash (and don't forget the pooper-scooper), FANatic make sure you bring your Dodger fog-horn and that red hair dye, Anonymous don't forget the sun-screen and your funny hat that holds two beverages at the same time...and I'll bring my bottle of BRUT after-shave and my JC Penney Jewerly just in case any of us get lucky.

Of course, you guessed it! ....it's time for "Passing League in San Deigo."

Those scheduled to attend:
Glendora, Paloma Valley, Temecula Valley, Clairemont, Palma, Palmdale, Horizon, Paloma Valley, Sinagua, Colfax, Sanger, JW North, Northwood, RBV, Immanuel, Los Osos, Cleveland, Brawley, San Diego, St. Bonaventure, Oceanside, Santee, Citrus Hill, Gardena and Mt. Carmel (SD).

The competitions will be held at Rancho Buena Vista HS (North County-SD) on July 20th and 21st.

To be honest with you...I have the 411 on seven of the above listed teams...the others are a mistery.

LAC,

wrong, St. Paul thinks they are a power house. Where did their big recruit line backer go from last year. Waste of time at ST. Paul. Amat trashed them last year and everyone at the game knew it was closer than it should and if I remember the OL was huge and they graduated. Webb from LA was over rated. Pop Warner kid who wanted promisess and Gano would not give them. This kid from South Hills is in for a culture shock come the first day of school. The parents do not have a clue what they are doing.

I think most are missing the point. Why should a player stay in a situation or system that is not going to benefit them, if they want to compete and play. You all speak as if every school operates under some code of honor that ensures that the best player always plays. That is just not true,nor is it realistic. If that were true than the best candidate would always get the job or the best employee would always get the promotion, but it doesn't happen. Politics are everywhere. Ideals are great, but we are all dealing with the real world.
If a player can go somewhere a be allowed to truly compete, play and more importantly develop, then more power to them. You don't develop talent by sitting it on the pine. People have also spoken about the sacrifice of education, but look at last years stud QBs of the sgv(since thats the position being discussed in this blog), who went through their respective systems and where they ended up. I believe they ALL are going to a JC. If there are kids playing behind them that have the grades and potential to be eligible to play college ball, shouldn't they get the shot to play? If education IS the priority? At least that's what everybody keeps saying.
Back in the day, football was like the fraternities and sororities. You had to put up with all the BS to get in and be apart because the guy before you had to. That was yesterday. Today thats called hazing. No is going to put up with it or just deal with it, because they dont have to. The same with today's athlete and their parents. If you want to stop the transfers, then put policies in place to ensure what coaches do is fair and without bias. Wow what a novel idea!!!!!

Aram

You want to know why St. Paul is stealing all these guys from around the SGV?? Its recruiting! (duh) but really not a lot of people know this but Matt Casaneda's (yes the former LA QB) Dad just became a coach over at St. Paul and hes snatching all of the SGV talent he can find. He had his hand in everyone that's transfered in. Don't believe me try to get a hold of Matt, mabye he'll let you in on his Dad's master plan... :D just look at these names:

Aubrey Haynes DRanch
Chris Wilson SHills
Terrel Dolberry Wilson

n If Im not mistaken
Donte Webb LA
AND
Tommy Cogburn SEM
are on there way there too. Its crazy how all of these athletes are going to the same place.

N If that doesn't shock you Rumor has it that Tim Gilmore of Wilson is headed to St. Paul too! If not this year he's defenitely gone by his Sr year.

St. Paul is turning into a power fast. Thats how a private school should do it. Bishop Amat take some notes!

Response: Aram

I caught your drift the first time around...and I agree with you...I also hate to see good kids leave SGV...

I suppose, if push came to shove on my doorstep, to "stay or leave"...I would have stayed at South Hills for the reasons I mentioned. But if one was to included those reasons as mentioned by others, I would hope that remaining in the SGV Family would have been part of the solution.

The answer to "Why?" can only be addressed by Willison and his family.

my children have played youth sports w/ that kid since 2000! nothing has ever changed w/ that family, its all about chris. chris is this and chris is that. chris coulda, and chris will.... geez willson, let your kid be a kid!!! your going to move him to a new enviroment where he does'nt have a friend?? are you going to go make friends for him? yes, we all think our kids are the best, does'nt mean your need to run around town and tell everyone.... there is more, much more, than we are ever going to know. i will reserve my thoughts from here on out. i feel sorry for chris, all his friends he's had since kindergarten will be gone, but, he MIGHT be a 3 year starter...............................

Well not only at Amat but now SH...altho Amat has had more transfers it just goes to show the ignorance of parents agreeing with this concept of having playing time early. Now if your kid is that good he makes the starting spot, no questions asked. Barkley of Mater Dei is a example four year starter but worthy of it, the kid can play the position. Sometimes you have to go thru the schools system before you get your crack of starting. Impatient parents are ruining it for their kids. Then on a parents opinion that their kid is the next coming of Joe Montana. A parent that may not have even played HS football he gets influenced by some salesperson who claims to know the sport. Lots of kids of all positions want to start and get playing time as underclassmen. there are lots that stick and stay in the system and wait their turn as seniors..........and if you are not starting by your senior year then the conclusion is that you are not cut out for football and you have wasted your time in this sport. St. Paul I do not think has handed over the position to this SH QB...what does that say for the kid throwing the rock for them right now........same situation at LA with Tamayo coming on board...There is no loyalty with certain parents and the only one suffering are their kids. Trying to live thru lil johnnys HS career is a shame.....get a life let the kids play and compete...too many cry baby parents out there that just claim politics. Then if their kid is still riding the pine at their new school they move him again ala Tillis. Moms get a hold of you husbands this is not the free agency of the NFL, this is Fricken HS football and a short 10 game season....what gives?

A QB is only as good as the cast of characters around him, if SP doesnt have the stellar skill players, strong O line nor a solid defense these pastures may not be so green for him even if he starts for 3 years consecutively...

I agree with Pladdy, stay home and make your own backyard a green pasture by doing so...

AnyMouse...

Can I chime in boys on this topic?

From Willison' perspective, I'm certain he wants to play for a school in which he is the main cookie and not part of a rotation. Especially when the two ahead of you are older. This kid wants to start as a varsity QB for 3 years to build his portfollio and stats for college play. Plain and simple. What's wrong with that? Maybe St. Paul was just the right size pond for this fish.

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Plaid-Lad

Shaun Cody (USC) went to Damien and then Los Altos.

(Chris Rix) I think also transfered from one school and then to another.

Plaid Lad,

How many kids in the SGV period make it big time anyway? We have a handful who go D-1 every year, but that's about it.

Shaun Cody comes to mind, to answer your question. Didn't he go to Damien his frosh year and then over to Los Altos? I think he'd have gone D-1 anyway. I think you might be missing my point. I don't think Willison is going to St. Paul for a better shot at a D-1 scholly. South Hills sends kids on almost every year. I think he's going for more immediate playing time.

Would you rather be the starter at St. Paul for three years or the starter at South Hills for one, maybe one and a half? But again, he could be the starter almost anywhere for three years, why St. Paul? Why not Amat? Why not Los Altos? Why not West Covina? Why not Glendora? Why St. Paul?

What! Rix is part of the Amat famaliy, I thought he is with South Hill....

Response: Aram

I'm curious to know just how many SGV kids have left one program for another and made out big time....(Now, I'm talking D-1 big time)...

I realize every program does not fit every player or player every program......Call me old-school because I still think that the best opportunities are right in your own backyard.

Man that is a big loss for our future! Knowing Chris it was bound to happen. the reason he didnt go to Amat is because he plain does not like Chris Rix and he associates the school with him. Oh well best of luck to him...Great kid and great family...

Ok hell just froze over I finally agree with Anonymous.

More from me later on this topic. but in short something has to be done about this non-sense now what that might be humm good question. If you have the skills your going to get noticed it's just that simple.

Late!

Mike the Clone

i couldn't agree more with plaid-lad and anonymous. back in the day, you went to the school where you live. recruiting is illegal and YES every coach walks a fine line.. maybe the coach DOESN"T talk to the kid but Johnny the quarterback does on behalf of. it allows the kid and his parents to have way too much control and power. it was mentioned earlier, if the folks want to pay for a higher schooling - great then send your superstar stud to amat. next, and i have seen this a few times as well, steve is a great qb and a great pitcher--lets send him too los altos for football but their BB program is weak so then send him to charter oak for baseball. come on. aram - this is high school and it allows way too much politics to be involved. CIF never should have allowed this - ever and you will not convince me otherwise.

Plaid Lad,

Agree and disagree. If a kid like Willison, and his parents, think he's good enough to play varsity (starting) for three years, they should have the right to do that elsewhere. Remember, all of these kids have only a finite amount of time (2 maybe 3 years on varsity) to MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Garkow is a great example. If somebody like Matt Castaneda had decided to just "stick it out" at Amat, how would his career have ended up? Or Jesse Ramirez, who left Amat (too small) and set CIF records at Schurr. None of that probably happens for him at Amat.

My only question about this situation is why St. Paul? What makes a South Hills kid want to go to St. Paul? From that area to Santa Fe Springs, bypass Amat or Los Altos. It just doesn't make sense to me. Am I missing something or is St. Paul winning league titles, CIF and sending kids on at a higher rate than South Hills or Amat or Los Altos or Charter Oak or West Covina?

What a minute Plaid-Lad you sound like your partner Mike the clone. Isn't that basically what Mike has been saying all along about some parents and then takes a bunch of grief for it. Glad to see you guys are opening your eyes to the big picture.

This is getting totally ridiculous!!! It's along the lines of WHY we ever paid the first professional athlete 1,000,000??????????? Pandora's box.. A High School kid should NEVER have that much power.... If his/her parents are fortunate enough to PAY for a higher education - that is a different story. However, the biggest crime was when CIF started allowing inner-school transfers... what a tangled web. Just my opinion.

plaid-lad, what your point with this big story. are you saying no one should transfer and everybody should go back to your school.

How green is your valley?

Throughout this site we have all seen players and parents climb over the fence for greener pastures.

The thought of one team having "competitive depth" should cause the athlete to embrace the competition...not RUN from it.

Somewhere along the road, the players (parents) become jaded and convinced that "D-1 johnnies" debut as the team-leader would be squander and not highlighted as desired.

The reality is that the parents that make the decision to jump-ship actually expose their children to "cutting and running" everytime the competitive edge gets alittle tough.

To back their "parental decision making" most parents blame scholastic reasoning on their final decision to re-locate.

The real lose comes to those athletes and parents that never consider what was promised (or not) by other programs, "never lives to see the light of day." Subsequently, "D-1 johnny" never pans-out as the star-athlete he would have been if they would have stayed and competed within the original program.

Of course there are those that are a living testament to the contrary...but I still believe them to be the aberation rather then the norm.
(IE..T. Garkow left GHS for COHS and helped his team win the whole enchilada).

The real test of any athlete or for that matter anyone with a competitive edge.....is to stick-it-out...give it your best...in the true name of athletic accomplishment and teamwork not solo athletic scholarship.

Remember, if "D-1 johnny" is a good as those around him are talking ....his exposure as a solid athlete will not be missed by any college scout....no matter what school he attends.

is the another blow for AMAT?
I am not a big fan of Amat but the kids should work hard and stick together and i bet everything will be fine. remember no matter how big a team is only 11 players can play at one time it dont matter what the sidelines look like. good luck AMAT

Looks like SP is going to be really solid this year. They are loaded and have gotten some quality transfers. Is SP on its way back to the pwoerhouse it once was? Too Early to tell but man are they attracting kids.....

I AM THE ORIGINAL.........

Wow, this just goes to how F*ed up high school sports has become in the 21st Century. I guess every kid on the planet must be college D1 material. Looks like AMAT isn't the only school immune to preseason transfers even though we've had more than our share.

Don't let the screen door hit you on the way out.