Football Super List: Let's rank 'em all

Hands down, Apple's app store wins by a mile. It's a huge selection of all sorts of apps vs a rather sad selection of a handful for Zune. Microsoft has plans, especially in the realm of games, but I'm not sure I'd want to bet on the future if this aspect is important to you. The iPod is a much better choice in that case.

Thinking about Applying to NW? ,

Congratulation Bulldogs of W.C. You have made
your fans very proud.

Joe Amat,

100% correct change is needed at the top and Monsignor Carroll must step away now, right now, after this year. There was a time where the pride was so thick we settled for nothing less but a powerhouse football team and we did face our fair share of down times, but we made changes to put us back to respectability. Todays game and modern era faces a let down, and New Amat parents that quit on us, but that is what we are up against nowadays, fair weather fans and parents. The stress of winning has become so great and not just at Amat but at most High Schools, The HS game has become more popular then ever before, and has changed allot. Amat I have no doubt will be back this is just not our time to shine but nonetheless we continue to fight on. Those young men and coaches in that present Amat locker room are not quitting and are still game for the challenge, weather they are successful or not is yet to be seen (we do have 3 real games to play). Funnier things have happened and we all must stay until the end and support until that last whistle of that last game and continue to praise our Men in Blue All the way. Coach Verti, man this guy must be going nuts with all the bashing he has taken and all the crap he hears. He is young and we all know what we were getting in a young inexperienced coach, so I dont know what all the crying and bashing is about. You have to start somewhere and 10-15 years from now Verti will have the experience to run a program from a experience background and do a great job with it, weather at Amat or someplace else, he is not going to quit coaching based on the negative people who question his leadership. He is learning but does Amat have the time to grow with this coach? some will say keep him, some will say fire him, and I will not say which I prefer but in the meantime and until changes are made at the top we must support Amat and live with Losing for now and Wait til it is our turn again. We will be back. My prediction is Amat will not start to rise again until 4-5 years with Verti or without Verti. We will beat St. Paul Friday and if we should come up empty the pride and loyalty to Amat remains. Our men in Blue and Gold are trying and not giving up give them the respect they deserve win or lose they still represent us every Friday nite. I am proud of these young men for going thru what they are going thru and not giving up...lots of football left and it is not over til it is over. Go Big Blue!

Who was the second worse coach next to Verti?

I thought Difiori sucked, but Verti takes the cake.

I was a very young lad, during the Patricio era, but wasn't he also a below mediocre coach in the mid to late 70's?

MATTY,
You're right. It's happened before and it will happen again. We've got the kids to do it...we've had the kids to do it.

But improvement is not just by accident. Not just because "we are amat". Things need to be changed. I was hoping that this staff could do it - then we'd be set for a while. But there is no substitute for knowledge and experience at our level. Do you remember when we were down before what happened - brought back Patricio.

(Knowledge + Experience) x (Players) = Wins

changes have to start at the top....and I mean the TOP.

Keep it Real,

I am one of the most real people around and we are playing lousy right now and it will continue, but I never, ever give up hope on the Lancers because I am loyal as well as real to the team and I will not abandone them in this hard time they are going thru. We fail this year, so what, I stand by the team thru thick and thin. It is a cycle and Amat has been down this road before, only to bounce back up and rise to the top again. It is all cycles and we are in a down cycle, for how long ? no one knows, but rest assure I will not bash or lose patients like some have. It is just not our cycle right now but we will be back. Beat the Slime! Mighty Are The Men That Wear The Blue And Gold.

Joe, I respect you for being man enough to admit those things during these trying times for Amat. I only wish Bluorca and MATMTWTBAG would follow suit, step up and admit the same. Wishful thinking I guess, they're just not quite that "mighty".

Plaid,
They all said it as well as I could. I wish it wasn't true. Hard to argue any of their points. I know that you are a little close to amat than most might think, but what made you think that amat took a great step when they hired verti? There was NO evidence that he was going to be a good coach. He was the offensive coordinator prior to that - and our offense was ineefective then. Players and assistant coaches didn't respect him he did not foster any relationships with boosters. he hired a bunch of inexperience and doesn't allow those with experience to really get to work. Sorry, hiring a bunch of buddies with no experience either just isn't working. I tried the support thing during the offseason and up 'til now. Done with that.
And for anyone close to the situation, you know that this wasn't Manzo's choice and it isn't him that needs to eat crow. This all sits on Msgr Carrolls shoulders. HE went against all recomendations. This was HIS hire and HIS alone. He didn't want to pay for anyone else. Now we are all paying for his decision.

If we do lose just look to the goal post in front of the dog pound and you will most likely see Verti at the end of a rope . No, really if that does happen look for the flood gates to open in the demanding of Verti's resignation.If the boosters ,parents,and alumni have any say in the matter he will be gone. Now the pressure is really on him to produce a win . A win here buys him the rest of the season.

Verti ought to hire bodyguards cause there will be a mob ready to lynch him, if Amat loses to St. Paul this week.

FBFAN,

Your points well taken with AMATS program. Sideline players are what they are due to COACHING!. Those back up reserves know they will not see the field due to the promises to certain players and lack of training a better focused back up team. Meaning: if joe shmoe is not getting it done then your hard working replacement will get out there and show your starter he is hungry and will get it done, not going to happen with this Amat coaching staff, their mind is made up and they are stubborn to subsitute in fear of a player or parent meltdown of why you pulled their star starter out of the game plus they do not train or coach a better back up unit. Politics are running that team. Verti cannot handle this high pressured job and we all know it. Coach Spoon had a look of disgust and coach Kolle's offensive approach was not working due to a ineffective coached Adamek O-line. When you are the head man in charge you also must look at your teams weak points and look to who is the leader of that part of the team and address it. But NO! Verti will not do that becasue they are all in it together and they are all buddies and they do not know how to separate business from friendship. While Verti keeps playing the buddy system with his coaches his team looks pathetic and the fans look miserable. when you have your cheerleaders yelling defense when your offense has the ball there is something really wrong with Amat. leaving early is a true indicator that the parents and fans are fed up with this young coach and the mess. The bashers that are here in this blog not to mention the stands are feasting on this spiral downward turn Amat has taken and for good reason this team really is bad and the COACHING is even worse. Film the sidelines film the coaches film the players it does not matter it starts with Verti and he is as stubborn as a mule he will not change it because he does not know how. I know that certain players will leave and not come back and play for Verti and staff next year, do you blame them. It will get worse next year if this staff is retained for another year. Eat Crow Manzo, Swallow your pride you made the wrong choice.

Plaid Lad you have no idea what a mess this coahing staff is at Amat. Last year's team, talentwise, was one of the best in years and they could do nothing with it. People said it was because of the "bad apples" on the team, growing pains of a 1st year head coah and staff, overbearing parents, etc. You name it, that was the excuse. Bottom line, Amat is self destructing and Verti and staff are at the center. They are in way over their heads.Players not getting the job done and continue to start in those positions. Same problem as last year. Coaches control that.Nothing but nepotism and favoritism at Amat now. No real coaching, conditioning or strength training going on here. Just look at the success at the other programs around Amat that former players now attend. The biggest difference is coaching. These other coaches know how to use their talent and they have a smaller pool to pull from.

What I want to know is how the Amat fans will react after they lose to St. Paul this week?

Joe I went to the Carson game and the whole thing is a mess. The players, cheerleaders,coaches and fans. Talk about a toilet bowl of dysfunction and disorganization. The scene was surreal. Parents complaining, students inattentive to the events on the field, the band just sitting there, the coaches in the box,all four of them, looking lost and embarassed mostly from the comments by parents, the lack of focus by the players, the mass dysfunction of the defense, the lack of size by the skill players, the sideline appearance of the subs, the lack of coordination between staff and yet the score was Carson 7 and Bishop Amat 0. There is an overwhelming burden placed on Verti to coach the coaches and the team at the same time. I talked to Verti after the game and told him not to give up. Surprisingly he said he wouldn't and I still see the fire in his eye. Like I told him, at 7-0 Carson, Amat drops two passes that would have sustained drives, misses several tackles that would have turned momentum and just plain quit and complained towards the end of the 3rd going into th e4thQ. Still the game was 14-0 going into the last quarter. Amat faithless whty the complaining and sad faces at that point in the game when the team and players needed YOU most. Truth is the FANS QUIT ON THE TEAM!!!! Bishop Amat is playing their hearts out and fans start for the exists. Total meltdown of everything that Bishop Amat has ever stood for, and that's loyalty, class, determination and commitment. Win or lose Bishop Amat NEVER QUIT. They do now and it probably starts on the drive to the game if not the dinner table.
Here's my suggestions for Coach Verti.

1)Film the coaches and players on the sidelines during the next game. Cancel practice on Monday for a film session. Both coaches and players will see for themselves what is wrong with Amat. It's them.

2)Do what's best for the team rather than what's best for the players. Joe kows what this means. Stop babying players with promises of playing them at their college positions rather than the positions the team needs them to play. NO names but it's obvious it hurts the team.

3) Cancel open practices. If you're going to be fired after the year is up might as well control your work environment.

4) Cancel chalk talk. Waste of your time. Plus very few parents know what the hell they're looking at much less can take good advice.

Response: Joe Amat

Joe, caught your last blog and you sound frustrated about the direction Amat is headed in right now.

I for one, have always admired your program. It's accomplishments are staggering considering the SGV's history of high school sports.

When Verti was hired I thought your program made another great step in maintaining your rich history. Currently the Lancer's are experiencing tough times and as a faithful who might not know what being on the losing end of the score board feels like...it's naturally easy to find solace in as far as sweeping one coaching staff out for another.

That being said, those SGV honored coaches that you mentioned in your blog, also had at one time in their coaching careers a year or two when achieving a 500 record and beyond was not in the cards. At that time they too received whatever fan rath that existed.

Long before they had this dam blog parents and fans probably crowded the halls on "film night" just to voice what they (we) thought the team needed to be successful.

In some cases, I'm sure the coaches fired back in defense as to what he did or did not do, to make it perfect for everyone concerned.

The reality is that you still need to commit to supporting your team (like you have) and maybe..just maybe, the Verti coaching concerns will work themselves out.

That does not mean that you should have to pocket or curb your comments about your teams deficiencies.....there all good points.

What we need to avoid is asking for the resignation and replacement of coaches that you and I, and everyone on this site had nothing to do with the hiring.

Amat is Amat....and the faithfuls that follow will always consider them the best....as any strong supporter should.

Time to focus on the important league games ahead of you.....that I'm sure will display your Amat best.

PLAID LAD

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Lancer faithful,

Thanks for having my back. Yes we are struggling (as predicted) and a weekend with a lancer loss, USC upset, Florida not helping by losing to the hated LSU Tigers and I just got back from watching the Bruins go down. Tough to swallow.

But hey, Betty, sorry the guys (and imposters) are being tough on you, but the logic of our debate was lost on some. Point being - it can turn around in a hurry. Has before...will again!

The bottom line, really, is that it's all about coaching. Put Farrar/Bogan/Gano in charge of the lancers and it's a whole different story. Look what Terry Roche did upon his arrival at Chino Hills. Pasqy would fit right in. Coulda had Mack from Bonnies or the coordinator from Mater Dei. Either of the Salters or bring back Parades, Hagerty, heck maybe even amat alum Ealar Gallagher from LaSalle (who interviewed and maybe shoulda got the job last time)would get things going in a heartbeat. Just not a job for a rookie. No offense, but just it's not fair to him either. A coaches job is to put players in the position for success...it's an administrators job to put coaches in a position for success. We didn't do that.

Didn't intend to go on that rant, but shoot...Notre Dame got a win...so there is hope : )

I attended the Amat Frosh game vs. Carson and was disappointed at the quality of the people in attendance. New breed of people there. I thought I was at a Raider game. With Parents wearing shirts reading "AMAT NATION", goaties and dark sun glasses and screaming obscenities at the ref's when the call went the other way. Now I understand why kids from good families are running away to public schools.

What a true Shame. Tradition gone down the toilet.

Joe Amat,
Is this really you speaking or someone pretending to be you because you have always had more class than what your saying right now and I for one have always appreciated and respected how you represent the Lancer faithful. Betty he may just be drunk tonight since currently we are failing miserably and depressed about our season. Let's go Verti better yet you go!

Betty Boop...no name calling, but if you want to go there we can!
My point was that South Hills and Los Altos were winning championships in the '70's. That certainly didn't affect amat's success in the '80s and '90s. No reason to think that, long term, that will change now. Simple.
Now go get me a beer...USC just lost to Stanford.

Just the response I expected.. what a shame ...

Hey Betty Crocker, go bake us a cake and shut the F up now. Nobody wants to hear your BS here.

How bout we send BettB back into the kitchen to bake us a pie or go watch Oprah and leave football for the guys? Old ladies talking about football is worse than an old man giving cooking lessons.

rgd2626

Before you start commenting on my knowledge of when and where coach Lou coached, learn to read the blogs, that comment wasn't from me OR any other CO person

Joe Amat, Amat 73 and Anonymous

Why are you asking me who will be the team to beat you? What teams have we been talking about? It could be DR, Glendora, CO, LA or someone else.

Now you want me to give you an exact date it's going to happen?? With the way Amat played last night it might even be next year..

What power has been transfered? The power of the Amat name, that's the power you used to have but no longer. It's not getting you the players it once did and it's not keeping the players you already have.

The questions I'm not answering??
You want me to tell you exactly what team, when and where? Maybe you should ask Ms. Cleo for that information.

Now you can continue with the personal comments and the name calling and when you want to continue talking as adults you let me know.

From what I HAVE HEARD . Bishop Amat is CHEAP & without a retirement , people look elsewhere . PLEASE correct me if I am wrong .

TM

For all the San Gabriel Valley Fizza lovers out there, I have tried Scardinos, Pompeii, Yony's and all the rest. You gotta try Hacienda Heights Pizza Co on Gale and Turnbull Canyon.

As for football, Amat should be the top team and will get back there. Some circumstances had them take a step back this year. Verti needs to take better control of his team in the offseason so the troubles off the field do not continue. And there were defections not just problems. As for Los Altos, that McBride kid is outstanding. If Verti can not get this thing right we need to start the hunt asap and keep Msgr. Carroll out of it and get the purse strings loosened up. It takes money to bring in a top notch coach.

Betty B,
Questions for you. When do you think and how many years will it take for your so called powers to pass up AMAT and put us on the schedule,because the only true way to know is head to head competition and not by playing common opponents and saying so and so beat team X by 3 points and we beat them by 14 points so that means we would beat you. If you ask me now is the time according to the consensus of the majority of the SGV. Please publish the list of the schools you consider will past us in the near or far future.

i think betty b, and joe amat are married, if not they should be, and betty b. you charter oak people really need to get you info right, lou was head coach at royal oak for only 2 years.

Amat fan do not listen to Sweaty Betty she is a skirt and does not even belong on a HS football blog.

Betty,

There is nothing that you've said that I don't understand...just that you've failed miserably to prove any point. Then you don't explain what you mean when I pose the question from 11:11 - give that one a shot.

You did, however, make your first understandable statement yet,

"...I think it will happen in a few years..."

It is your right to *think* so, and if it does...then come back and we'll talk and I'll congratulate the victors , as I did with Marky-Marks scattered wins at Ayala and Damien , or as I've already done to those with at least the courage to try.

I prefer to deal with what does happen - rather than what someone thinks could happen

You both say the only thing that will help you to understand is when you actually lose to a public school. I said I think it will happen in a few years as BA does not automatically get all the best players anymore.

What part of that statement is so hard for you to grasp?

both!

coaching or admin?

saladdays, it was answered below

(cough...coughdifferentleadershipcough...cough)

By no means I am a Bishop Amat fan but Bishop could and should be a power in pac 5. Their is no other private school nearby to pull kids away from B.A. The kids in our area are good the youth program here beats all the OC progams soundly. These kids aren't attending bishop though, Los Altos is supposed to be a juggernaut next with the national championship youth team as the corner stone. 2 great qb's and 4 quality running backs. last year'schampionship youth team supposedly split up and went to all the private schools mater dei, servite, and orange lutheran. Why don't these kids go to Bishop?

Betty,

Who exactly are the "up and coming" public schools? Los Altos? South Hills? They were playing in 4A in the '70s along with amat and having great success. Certainly they know (or should remember) what it's like. Charter Oak? Big Lou was winning big at Royal Oak before they were absorbed into Charter Oak, and he gave a matchup his best shot before thinking better of it. He gets it.

Maybe you're talking about newbies like Diamond Ranch? Maybe! That could happen, as it did with Ayala shortly after they opened...and look where they are today. Can you say...things go in cycles? I knew you could! Chino Hills is where Ayala was when they were on top and DR is not far behind. The new IE schools like Los Osos and Colony have hurt a bit too...as has South El Monte to a much smaller extent. ...and where have they also gone? Maybe they all cycle like Ayala and then we'll see where the chips fall.

I'm not really sure where "...power has transfered to the public schools..." or that "...they are taking away the thunder...". As 73 says, it was a short time ago that we beat the CIF Champions and Mater Dei in the same year. This year we are probably a broken home and a schools appropriate discipline enforcement away from 2-2 with an opening win over Los Osos that injects a ton of confidence and lowers the heat. You forget - those weren't "defections" but circumstances. Add to that, and it not being entirely out of the question, that under very slightly different circumstances(cough...coughdifferentleadershipcough...cough) we'd still have the "best back in the valley", among others.

In know, I know, "If ifs and buts were beer and nuts we'd be able to have a party!" But to even THINK that that is out of the question or far removed from reality...then that is escaping reality yourself!

Betty B,
Read my post again . I am not basing anything on past teams greatness . I did say we were competitive until last years team but my point was that until your new so called powers step up and put us on the schedule it is only speculation that they could beat us.History shows when they do step up they usually do not fair to well and we can only go by history on that because, well you know the answer to that one. You yourself state that may be a few years away and who knows we may be back to former glory by then also. People act like there is absoulutely no hope in sight for us . As for this years team let's give them the opportunuty to play the season and then pass judgement on what kind of team they are.

Amat 73

I hope you do win your upcoming games and have a great season. But you are still asking me to look back at years past and see how good you are. It's how good you WERE. You are proving my point with last years team and this years team. Your greatness is fading in the light of the up and coming public schools.

And of course there are NOOO topless OC places . Just "HAPPY ENDING " massage joints .OC NUMERO DOS.

TM

Hey where is the best T&A bar for post game partying. I heard SGV has alot of Topless places now. I heard Synn on valley and hacienda. Oops didn't the cops close that down last week?

SGV Fan, Scardino's is still there, I love that pizza. That's where we would go during lunch break back in high school. I thought it would be long gone by now.

Come on NOW . Petrillo's compared to those places is like comparing a Sizzler to The Dal Rae .

TM

I can't believe that one eldo fan turned this sight into a pizza commercial

Big vote for Angelo's on Valley Bl. also a vote for Scardino's on Hacienda.

Pompeii's Pizza supports Amat Football, I seen their ad in last years program and tried it for the first time, great food and pitcher Beer.

Pompeii's Pizza in Valinda......on the corner of Valinda and Maplegrove. Good Italian dine in take out. Owned by Greek Italians.

That is a big IF for the Lancers to beat Carson. The big guy is bailed out and back and restoring order as the QB for Carson. Amat has their hands full but the two week layoff and RC win may have put some spark back in them and hopefully they come out like they did in game one vs. Los Osos. This game will be close and will go either way. History tho is against the Lancers, they rarely win a game after a bye week. Pizza get on down to Angelo's off valley in the city of Alhambra.

Speaking of PIZZA: Tony's in Hacienda Heights is the best! Costco is good, too.

Betty B,
Are you factoring in economics into your formula of public schools getting the atheletes we used to get. Look back before last years team and we were still very competitive. Yes we are 1-3 now but if we beat Carson and happen to get a couple of miracles and win 1 or 2 league games , after all we do have friends in high places ( joke) we are back on the right track. The only way for the public schools to pass us is to schedule us and settle it on the field and if they beat us more power to them and then they can not only talk the talk but walk the walk. Until that happens expect the same from the faithful and that has nothing to do with teams of the 70's and 80's and by the way some of our best teams were from the mid to late 90's and we were very good until last year.

Group....

This best pizza in the VALLEY is at Scardino's in La Puente!!!

No eating in... strictly take out, family owned for years and very, very reasonably priced!!!

GREAT Pizza, Good Foot-Long Grinder-style sandwiches and pretty good pasta dishes!!

You HAVE TO TRY THIS PLACE!!

On corner of Hacienda and Francisquito.. Next to the Fish-n-Chips place.

SGV

Pomona high schools (Ganesha, Pomona, Garey and Pomona Catholic) aren't in our coverage area. We only use Diamond Ranch because it's on the Diamond Bar border, and kids from Diamond Bar attend Diamond Ranch. Obviously, when Pomona schools play Trib teams, then they get covered, otherwise, they're strictly Daily Bulletin schools.

Fred,
Lets start a bottom 10 ranking system. Number 1 is Ganesha.

Don ,I knew SOMEBODY would know , The Shephearders bread was pretty good too . Enough food talk ...

GO TARTANS

BE THE BEST !

TM

Benny T D... Tell them its a seat cushion, they dont care..

Erick Shat's bakery in Bishop, used to have one in Mammoth too.

UMMMM, cheesebread.

Chris Rome - that directions post was even funnier now that I know your brother Cletus was the one posting it.

Will they let me sneak the Pizza box into the stadium? :)

The El Do fans should show up in force tonight, I know the kids love the stadium. Fond memories from last year.

Joe,

so all that matters to you is that the parents are bragging? So you need to say something back? are you serious??

As to, do the "powerhouses" not know any better because this is new to them. that's what I said.

The public schools have lived in the shadow of BA for years now. BA is a better team, they should be a better team, they have a larger pool to get players from, they are in a higher division and play harder schools. But now the public schools are getting a taste of what you have had all these years all to yourselves. They are playing the harder schools and they are getting better. They are starting to compete with the same schools you are and they aren't failing miserably either. They are evolving into good teams that can compete with you and with that knowledge comes some who will brag about it. Just as BA has bragged for years about how much better they are.

The thing is, and here's the thing, listen carefully.

People get pissed at Amat bloggers because they will not admit that the public schools are coming into their own, they will bring up the Amat team from the 70's the 80's and so on to say the public schools of today would still lose to those great Amat teams. Maybe they would, but the Amat team of today is not like those teams you used to have and that is what most of the "Amat haters" as you call them are trying to clue you in on. Those teams don't exist anymore for BA hopefully they will in the future but where we are now they don't. That power has transfered to the public schools and they are taking away the thunder of Bishop Amat. Bishop Amat is not the only place to go if you want a chance at a DI college. The kids have plenty of choices now.

with that said and before I get plenty of posts saying crap about me and I know nothing. Blah blah Blah... Let me reiterate I think Bishop Amat at this time is still the best program in the valley and I think they would win a game against any of the "powerhouse" teams around. But give it a few years and that will all change. They are catching you and one day they will pass you by.

LOTS OF GOOD FISHING !!! A while back while coaching @ a local HS we used to go to Convict Lake to RUN .From the bottom of the hill to the LAKE !!! Great way to end summer , camping @ Mammoth Lakes was great too ! YES Petrillos in Glendora is a LITTLE different , but not much , funny somebody said too salty . VERY TRUE !
GETTING HUNGRY NOW ...

TM

Benny Tone Deaf, I am glad you liked my directions. Just having some fun. Pertillos is good. Call ahead or get there early. 30 min for a pizza and the med. pizza is big. A large anywhere else. Its more of a restarant style place (not like Shakeys) with a take out to the side. Perfect for tailgating..I dont think its salty and the girls have never been rude to me........ Good Luck tonight..Oh the 'compare this' guy. total poser..

TM,

I dont know the name of the bakery in Bishop but like yourself I know they have a famous one up there...

Petrillos is better then Pizza Factory but after a long day fly fishing the Owens river nothing is better than an X Large pepperoni pizza and a pitcher of fine pale ale...

Joe Colt

Freddie - Petrillo's is far better than Round Table - but the one in San Gabriel IS better. Not that everything good *needs* to come back to amat - it just does. Petrillo's in SG was opened by an amat family whose kids went there in the '70s.

and to the guy from Placentia smacking the SGV...do ya'll get your water directly from that big water tower in the middle of the city or do you have to go to Tri-City park and bucket some yerself?
...and do all those oil pumps still in your town get that "black gold" that Jeb 'n' gramma were always talkin' 'bout?

...sorry - I had too !

GOOD CALL ...Pizza Factory in Bishop is good too , just NOT Petrillos. JC what is that famous bakery in Bishop called ? Do you know ? Is it Schott's .

TM

Fred,

In my opinion there is no better pizza in the SGV than Petrillos...

If you ever go into the High Sierras try the Pizza Factory in either Lone Pine or Bishop, awesome when washed down with a pitcher of Sierra Nevada pale ale...

Joe Colt

Fred you are a SGV guy , ANYONE WHO HAS NOT BEEN THERE SHOULD GO .....NOW ! My family has been going to Petrillos for over 50 + years . The OG location is in Saa Gabriel . I hate to over promote the place but , as a HUGE PIZZA FAN , who has traveled quite a bit & tried hundreds of pies , NO ONE CAN EVEN COME CLOSE .

TM

Okay Compare This/Cletus Rome et al. Your an A$$ but I had to chuckle at the last post.

Pertillo's is good but pizza is kind of salty and the girls up front are rude......I like the pertrillo's off valley and san gabriel blvd. in San Gabriel...the one in Glendora is good but salty.

Ya Benny Tone Deaf.. Thars a right nice place down Citrus past Ma Jenkins place on the left side. If you see Johnsons pig ranch you went to far. Dont ask Mr. Johnson for directions its breeding season and you know what that means. Why would a pac5 want to 'rile' us up? ah whats a pac5? Oh anyway the place is called Momma's oposssam pizza.yummy. Dont try the shine. after a few the damien sisters start to look pretty good and you dont want to go there.

Wow, now I'm sounding like Aram.

Petrillo's huh, a guy in our office keeps raving about that place. Is the pizza really that good?? Better than Round Table?

Thanks Trojan Man! I just forgot the name. Looking forward to a tough game tonight.

BTW, ignore these OC posters that diss the SGV or your school most of them have the Napoleon Complex

BEST PIZZA IN THE W O R L D !!!

Petrillo's .

ElDo go home..Your Tartan D will get picked apart like road kill gets picked apart by birds or should I say Golden Eagles. Thanks for the warning. GT imprints? By who? I'm sorry if the road kill reference made you hungry..I forgot you hillbillys eat that stuff. mmmmmm

Hey all! This dude Compare This ain't from Placentia or an El Do fan. He's a hater from a Pac5 school trying to rile you guys up.

I'm an El Do fan from Placentia and look forward to a tough battle tonight. I hear there is a real good Pizza Place near Citrus College anyone know the name?

The OC (aka "The Fruit County") better come prepared tonight for the Tartan D at Citrus Stadium or you'll be heading home with a GT imprinted your forehead!

Betty,

You're missing the point again.

It's not the 2nd graders (players) that are "bragging. If the *Parents* of those 2nd graders are bragging - then THEY should know better.

So, Betty, are you implying that the valley "powers" like Los Altos, South Hills, Charter Oak, etc "...don't know any better because this is new to them..." ????

How could YOU say that about them?

and if you think that Notre Dame blogs aren't blowing up - you never get on blueandgold.com

here's a sample...

http://www.blueandgold.com/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=36796&enterthread=y

Joe,

You're missing the point again.

You compared yourselves with Notre Dame. I in return said Notre Dame is above saying how great they are. They don't feel they have to say anything in response to lower division teams "thumping" their chests making unsubstanciated claims. Notre Dame knows they can beat those teams, that's why they are in a higher division just as Amat is in a higher division. Even though Notre Dame isn't winning in their division, they are above feeling they have to defend their "honor" on a blog.

In simpler tearms,

Just because some people are saying Billy's 2nd grade team is the best in the school doesn't mean Tommy's 4th grade team should demand they play them to prove they are better. We can assume that Tommy's 4th grade team would win because they are in a higher grade. But you can't stop the 2nd graders from bragging because they don't know any better because this is new to them but 4th graders should know better because they have been doing this for a few years longer. .

Compare this,

Placentia, nice name for your city, how does it feel to be considered the (909) of the OC, the stepchild they try to keep hidden away. I mean what do you have there, a ten minute drive away from HOT DOG ON A STICK at the brea mall. Your town is like an ugly zit that the surrounding cities try to cover up Anaheim, Fullerton, Brea and hell even yorba linda. I have never claimed to be a glendora fan, but for this game I am.

Please drive these gerbil farmers back down south TARTANS. I hope your dog kept you warm in bed last night.

Betty,
Go back and look at the archives and I am pretty confident that +90% of the time those comments are in response to claims from chest-thumping valley schools reveling in our Pac5 deficiencies with the very thought that they could somehow match-up with the lowly lancers. We know that at no time has that proven to be true, so there is no reason to believe that is the case at this time - other than pure speculation.

Rare is the time that an amat supporter will come on and *start* a thread with, "we're 0-3 but at least we can beat ...x,y.&z". It's usually a truthful response to a previous post

Compare this SGV

You brought the JVer's cause they are better than your varsity..right?

Joe Amat

Here's the thing, and this is what irks so many bloggers on here that the Amat faithful don't seem to get.

Notre Dame( a great school with a great history) is above pointing fingers at all the lower division teams saying, "I might not be winning any games in my own Division but I can beat you, and you and you" And Bishop Amat ( a great school with a great history) is not.

Here is my prediction.

1. Diamond Ranch (3-1) will lose to Oaks Christ
2. Glendora (3-1) will lose close one to El Do
3. Los Altos (3-1) will lose big to Western
4. Charter Oak (2-1-1) win big against Claremont
5. South Hills (2-2 lose close one to RC
6. Bishop Amat (1-3) win a close one to Carson

Therefore, next weeks ranking should be.

1. Charter Oak
2. Bishop Amat
3. Diamond Ranch
4. Glendora
5. Los Altos
6. South Hills

Compare this SGV..Yes ,We have running water.Every time we flush it comes up in Placinta

Garrett,

Besides Wagner, Amat also played without their best lineman Dominique Austin who starts both on the Offensive side and the defensive side of the ball.

If So. Hills loses to Rancho Cucamonga that is A HUGE flop on the SH side, and they are not a good team as projected before the season. SH sould by all right win this game if not all the BA comparisons will be coming out. LA is going to lose to Western. Western beat them last year at Los Altos and with no one but Bryce McBride carrying that team it looks like blowout. Everyone has a bad day at the office and Bryce is about to have his. Coach Gano talks about starting off slow and you get beat, well his team is going to keep starting slow if he cannot muster a passing game and he keeps relying on McB to keep him in the game.

Good Morning, all you dirty rednecks in the SGV. Walked out to get my newspaper today and seen the cans knocked over. JFR must of been here. Sorry, we keep the dog inside at night now. El Do will be travaling heavy tonight. Bringing the JV team. Figure starters will be out by the second quarter.Glendora is over rated just like the rest of your sad little valley. Why do ya'll even bother? Did you get running water yet or do you take a bucket down to the creek?

GO GLENDORA! BEAT EL DO TONIGHT!

Garrett

That's because Amat has lost to Los Osos, Lutheran, and Hart...who combined boast an 11-1 record and easily 2 of the best programs in southern california.

South Hills has lost to Trabuco Hills and La Habra both of whose programs do not even come close to the caliber of Lutheran or Hart. South Hill's victories over Fullerton and Claremont are also unimpressive when comparing schedules.

The South Hills vs. Rancho Cucamonga will tell us more. Keep in mind though that Bishop Amat did not have have their starting RB in Marcus Wagner when they played RC. The Amat backups did an outstanding job, but Wagner is the center of Amat's offense.

It's funny how San Dimas gets the Covina treatment from the past two years, people want to challenge them because they don't think there for real. I haven't seen neither team but on Thursday we will find out of San Dimas is ready for the Valle Vista League Title.
Bonita smashed Covina
Beat Nview
See if the other VVL Contender can take down Bonita

So Smudgepot this friday.

I got Bonita taking this one all the way...

yea san dimas is 4-0 but against who? There in the dang valley vista league... i would like to see those pitiful saints up in the miramonte league. but anyways i got Bonita 35 over San Dimas 21. But we will see... should be a good game. 10/05/07... see u there

Hey "Compare this-SGV",

What OC paper are YOU reading (or not reading). The OCVarsity site has El Do @ #11 you Dil ...
Some guy named Fryer lists 11 - 25 and there it is as of 10/1

i seen some guy would like to see top 5 sgv teams compared top 5 o.c teams...well la played orange lutheran and won in a cif championship game...so we can win against those guys too...sgv is strong too...

i seen some guy would like to see top 5 sgv teams compared top 5 o.c teams...well la played orange lutheran and won in a cif championship game...so we can win against those guys too...sgv is strong too...

dont be biased on this one now, which area would u consider the best in baseball? sgv, ie, oc, la, sfv, and other ones i forgot

Best team in the valley in the last 10 years, who is? Top 5? (97-07')

The OC is just mad because football is the only thing they can beat us in. Bring basketball, wrestling, and baseball into the picture, not even close........ LA county rules

remember that carson is now without standout qb because of a drug related incident. This should help out BA because at the Bonita Passing Tourney, Carson was clearly one of the best there.

I never thought of OC wifes and daughters as dogs, but if you insist...ok

Whoa Betty!

Most importantly - if an Occidental were to claim that they were the best , or some poll were to say so - I can guarantee that Charlie Weiss and the Notre Dame faithful would laugh and scream to no end the hilarity of such a claim.

El Do beats Charter Oak, Charter Oak beats Glendora. Hey red necks can you "figger" what comes next? JFR,We always know when "ya'll" come to the OC. All the trash cans are knocked over and the dogs are prego.

OC,

How do you folk down there get that dum dere black bold ritin on yor computy like dat. P.ASS make a little more sense next time peckerwood! One of my greatest pastimes was going down to Newport with my longboard and pissing off the locals. Sorry, I forgot your an in-betweener, not LA and definitely not an OCer.

So I guess I was being premature in saying OC vs SGV. How do you guys think the OC will fare against those Texas teams? I dont know much about Texas but what county is where all the top teams play? Like Caroll and etc.

So I guess I was being premature in saying OC vs SGV. How do you guys think the OC will fare against those Texas teams? I dont know much about Texas but what county is where all the top teams play? Like Caroll and etc.

FBFAN, win for GHS? Your killing me. You hee haws have no chance. Get Ur Done..You might be a redneck if your from Glendora..Let us know when you get indoor plumbing.

Garrett you must be new to SGV football. SH is overrated and won against nobody and lost to nobody. Is that a clue?

SH will lose to Rancho Cucamonga (RC is underrated)

WC will lose to Ayala (WC very young team)

SH vs WC on national TV = Boring game

Why is Bishop ranked number 6? That's embarrassing for South Hills who is 2-2 to be one spot above Bishop.

EAT THIS, you would like that wouldnt you, ill just watch you eat it tomorrow night. Touchy from such a winning program, you think. Go watch highlights from hulk vs andre the giant.

Sorry S.L. Smith, San Dimas hasn't played anyone and Amat is playing the big boys. Amat would smoke them. San Dimas is doing well I agree. But seriously, you need to watch what you say, Barbone is a stud, they have no linemen. To say #70 is the best in the Valley, you don't get out much. All 5 of West Covina's linemen are better, Amat, South Hills, Los Altos, Charter Oak, Damien has monsters. You need to re check your statements. He might be good when he gets to the Valley Vista, but we all know that means nothing. The best linemen come from San Antonio, Mira Monte, Sierra Leagues and Amat. Stick with Barbone and do your homework before you speak of linemen again.

605 Out

EL DO is one of the weakest teams in the OC. This win for GHS will mean nothing to the OC.

El Dorado (OC # 14) is rated higher than any team in the SGV. Who's idea was it to compare OC vs. SGV? Orange County dominates LA and Inland Empire. Face it, the entire country. Is the smog clouding your brains? You people bore me. Pick up a newspaper, hay seeds. Is this what happens when you marry your cousin. What a bunch of hicks!! Ya all have a real good game,Ya hear? OC 5 vs SGV 0

You've got to be kidding me... a number 6 team with a 1-3 record and an undefeated number 7 team in San Dimas... the same San Dimas that has the best offensive lineman (70 - Smith) and the best running back (44 - Barbone) in the SGV... the Tribune is a joke when it comes to ranking prep schools... their preferences outweight their judgement...

Everyone is ranking Diamond Ranch 1 or 2 and they barely got passed Ayala.

Predictions:

Thursday's games
South Hills vs. Rancho Cucamonga - - SH
Diamond Ranch vs. Oaks Christian - - OC
Los Altos at Western - - LA
El Dorado vs. Glendora - - GHS
La Serna vs. El Monte at California - -LS
Mountain View vs. Tahquitz - - TZ

Friday's games
Bonita at San Dimas - - SD
Ayala at West Covina - - WC
Rowland at Baldwin Park - - BP
Bishop Amat at Carson - - BA
Charter Oak at Claremont - - CO
Orange at Rosemead - - ROSE
Chaffey at Wilson - - Wilson
Northview at Nogales - - NV
Covina vs. Sonora - - Sonora
Gladstone vs. Azusa - - AZ
Workman vs. Sierra Vista - - SV
Alhambra at South El Monte - - AL
La Puente at Bassett - - LP
Jurupa Valley at Walnut - - JV
Arroyo at Tustin - - Tustin

Come on how can you say damien vs duarte would be a tough one to chose Duarte played one of the weakest team of the sierra league and got there asses kicked

isSGV teams are weak against the OC and Santa Clarita Teams. Trust me, there is not one East Side or West Side SGV team that can beat the top 5 OC and top Santa Clarita team (Hart, Valencia, Canyon etc.) Something bad is happening in our SGV football communities and it is not getting any better. So pointing at each other and saying we can beat Amat or we can beat Los Altos is pathetic. Because any of these teams will get their jock strap handed to them by these boys south and north of us.

RE: New GHS watcher

A**HOLE

WHO! Glendora fans are white trash wrestling fan too. I guess you want that elusive fb title sooo bad you take away prior success for a fictional championship. Keep it up glendora fan, you seize to amaze us. Keep your heads up your band won.

yo fredj wheres ganesha on the list?

even more importantly,

Is Notre Dame 0-5 blogging and telling everyone they are the best around even though they haven't won a game??

We will see how good a coaching staff Verti and his crew are when they get 2 weeks to prepare for a Carson team on the Road. Will it be that the RC game was just against a poor weak team or the Lancers starting to step into their game and the coaching is starting to come around. We will see...Given two weeks of preparation and with Carson playing this week and only having a week to prepare I think that gives the coaching staff an edge, will they take advantage of it and bring a strong, well prepared Amat team to play Oct. 5th at Carson?...Jury is still out..this is the pivitol point in Verti and Staff to bring their A game.

Posted by: Jury Duty at September 26, 2007 07:30 AM

This is all true for your amat staff. If you lose to Carson all hell is going to break loose with the Lancers and they will have a Duarte Meltdown soon.

Even more now, I hope Glendora whomps El Do and shows the OC that SGV is for real. To bad El Do can't lose their CIF title belt like in wrestling!!

Amat will go 0-3 in league play and that includes a loss to Loyola...... what a shame of a team if you cannot win two league games at your own home field. St. Paul will be Amats biggest win this year and that is not even a sure thing. Those tailgate parties must be sad knowing you are going into a league game at home only to get your asses handed to you by halftime. No wonder why all those Amat parents at the tailgates are drinking more this year.

Joe Amat,

Well said, I cheer for a team who stepped up but lost two years straight, until a valley team can do it, we should all shut up. I always enjoy seeing Amat take a loss, but maybe that's the reason why. "sour grapes"

Arn't the north San Fernando Valley teams considered part of LA County? Lets compare those teams to OC teams. Lets make it fair, LA county vs Orange County!

That OC bunch is still whiney after getting punked, 0 for 2007 in Baseball.

the
As was the year before, when we had no skill posiyion players to speak of and did not make the playoffs. But we DID play some of the better valley teams that year. Glendora, Charter Oak, and Damien. In a down , nonplayoff year with our lack of usual talent at the skill positions we won those games by a score of NINETY-SIX to SIXTEEN. The year prior to that we were Below the aforementioned "tradition" levels and only .500 and sub .500 in league. The big three games were closer that year - only NINETY to THIRTY!

Now who do you think dropped who after that? Big Lou said as much in the paper. And they won a championship after that. Marky-Mark is a very good coach and has the courage to give it a shot at no less than three different schools and, to his credit, won a couple. But even he realized it was not a good idea, year in and year out. Scotty was pressured into the DHS/amat matchup because everyone wants to see the two big catholic schools matchup. Strike three - locals are out. The other two great valley coaches, and anyone that reads my posts knows that I am sincere in my respect for Gano and Bogan are wise enough to know that they have the edge by having their yearly success and let others "speculate" taht they could beat amat. Then the castoffs will transfer in and some will come right away. They won't have to compete with only their local kids and they can keep their roll going. Props to them. Really.

Now that we are having another "down time" it looks like Rowdy Roddy Layton wants to get on the let's play amat bandwagon. I'd love to see it. He is really scheduling some top teams - and thats how you test yourself. He could get it going at DR - we'll see. Or it could be just more of the same as we have seen before with Wilson, Damien, Charter Oak, Glendora, Ayala etc. Who knows? No predictions here...that's not how we roll. But if you want to play the odds...

Jeremy, where have your Conqs been in all this? The last time I remember was around Conq '76s time at MSAC in a Lancer California Tiebreaker victory. 76er - were you there? Share your memories - that was a classic playoff matchup - miss those days at SAC. Jeremy might have still been in diapers...at best

Posted by: OC at October 3, 2007 04:17 PM

I wonder how the top 5 SGV teams will fare against the top 5 OC teams.

Golly, since the first nine of those are Pac 5 schools I suppose the section has already answered that for us, huh?

Go on back to CalHi sports where you guys can snipe at each other over the hut drill and who stole whom from where.

Hey OC,

Let's be realistic and compare county vs. county. How would the top OC compete against the top LA teams? Probably pretty evenly.

Did you all know that Bishop Amat gets it turn next year against Concord De la Salle....Loyola from the Serra played them this year and got lit up and it is the Lancers turn in the rotation next year......good lord it gets uglier for Lancer fans.

OC c'mon dude........all of the SGV teams would get smoked by the bottom 5 of that list without a problem and that includes our so called SGV Leader Bishop Amat.

This is coming from ocvarsity.com
I wonder how the top 5 SGV teams will fare against the top 5 OC teams.
1. Mater Dei
2. Orange Lutheran
3. Mission Viejo
4. Edison
5. Servite
6. Santa Margarita
7. Los Alamitos
8. Esperanza
9. San Clemente
10. Kennedy

Joe Amat~~

Your post stating "Recent history, no...make that all-time history, tells us what happens when there are local matchups with amat. Let's not debate those - it's not in your best interest", is not relevent when we speak about a match up between this years Amat team and this years public school teams.

Get past the past my friend. This is a all new year.

I believe any one of Fred's top 5 could beat Amat on any given day. PERIOD. This might be due to the combination of Amats inability THIS YEAR to field a decent team and the power of Fred's top 5 teams.

I'm actually sad to see Amat in the position they are in, but you have to let go of the past.

I don't care about the caliber of your loses.... this really does'nt prove anything. Any ordinary team can lose a game no matter who they play, the good team is the one with the W in the win column.

How long can a school ride on "Tradition"? I think the glory years of Amat are over. This predictiment Amat is in really is fascinating considering the wide open universe Amat recruits from. Amat has EVERY opportunity to compete well in their respective league, but does not. Why?

When you see public schools do well and who DO NOT RECRUIT but field teams from their general area like Glendora, San Dimas, Charter Oak, you got to give credit to the coaching staffs. In Amats case, where the school recruits and still does poorly, you must also blame this on the coaching staff.

Before you start talking about how bad teams are on west side, remember one result, Star-News No. 2 St. Francis 35, Tribune No. 1 Los Altos 21.

anonymous (whichever one you are)

I don't ever remember anyone from amat "complaining" about the schedule. In fact those from amat embrace that schedule and would want nothing less. Those that are close to the school are frustrated with the boys basketball coaches decision to substantially downgrade the schedule and, frankly, it's embarrasing. The CIF releaguing process that put us in a lower baseball division was not one we were too happy about either.

You have no controll over your league - CIF does that. The preleague schedule you can control. Playing a top notch schedule let's you know for certain what you must do to be the best. Anything less than that and you don't REALLY know. Playing teams like Rosemead, LB Wilson, Claremont, Fullerton or La Habra and the like would tell us nothing about where we need to be. 5-0...so what?

The little lancers have a long way to go to get back to where they once were. But this has happened before (a big success gap in the late '70s early '80s). No reason to say that it won't happen again with the right leadership at the top - and I mean from administration on down.

Recent history, no...make that all-time history, tells us what happens when there are local matchups with amat. Let's not debate those - it's not in your best interest.

Rather than the usual “why doesn't Amat schedule teams it can demolish” argument, (which seems to have been beaten to death the past few years), how about this one?

How come the football west of the 605 is so rotten? Even the better teams, (such as they are), Duarte, Arroyo, Rosemead aren't nearly as tough as even the mid pack east side teams.

I mean Arcadia is OK, but geez, they have like 4000 students and they play in a brutally bad league.

Alhambra? Another school with a zillion kids but they don't play anyone worth a hoot until they see Schurr.

No “ethnic” or “cultural” baloney either, it makes me gag. Think what you want, there isn't a “lily white” school on anyones list, and we're all better for it.

Jeremy, how can you say Amat is not competitive. They lost a game to Los Osos that they were winning for most of the game, and they beat Rancho Cucamonga handily. There is not one team that I have ranked below Bishop Amat that would have a better record than 1-3 if they played Amat's schedule. I use to get in these arguments on the west side of the valley when people wanted Maranatha, La Salle and even Rio Hondo Prep ranked ahead of St. Francis after St. Francis would start losing to the Notre Dame's, Chaminade's, Crespi's etc. Bishop Amat isn't the Div. I beast it use to be - everyone knows that. But they're still one of the top teams in the valley.

anonymous 1:21 and Oscar,
The schedule you play, I don't see any of the other teams crying about thier schedule, if you don't like it have it changed. I've seem some Junior All American teams you might beat( I said might) "I HATE AMAT glasses" have been on long before football.

Is that why the Bishop Amat Lancers are nowhere ranked in pac5 division....I mean come on they are not even close.....sure the pac5 have the best of the best and crem of the crem.......but Amat has got to bottom of the barrell of that league......I have watched Amat this year and they do have a couple of stud players here and there but overall 11 man both offense and Defense there are allot of so so players out there......they are not that good this year or last year or next year.....it's over now plus throw in your 20 somethings coach and it is a disater in Lancer land........of course you have the die hard denial people and that goes for all teams.......HS college Pro.........it does not matter there are idiots everywhere that will never give up and sit there and still claim they are the best.....it their hearts they are but on paper it is the truth..Amat is dead.

anonymous 1:21 and Oscar,
It's defintely not love but more respect for the schedule we play. Think about it and take your I HATE AMAT glasses off and look at the caliber of teams we play. Input any other teams the locals play other that Mater Dei and we would probably be 4-0 and number 1 in the valley. But then the comments would be we shouldn't be playing those types of teams so we wouldn't deserve to be number 1 .

Glad to hear that Jeremy.

Now why hasn't Gano ever said that he wanted to play Amat in the paper?

Damien would crush Duarte, trust me, I've seen both teams.

Amat I'm tired of the strength of schedule argument, you are NOT competitive against your scheduled opposition. If I stepped in the ring with Mike Tyson in his prime, that would not make me a "heavyweight" contender, or even a boxer, it just means that my courage and cajones are admirable, but I'm still just average Joe.

Anonymous at October 3, 2007 01:23 PM

I will agree with you regarding the top 5 defenses, but DR with the #1 offense is a little to kind. I'd put them at maybe #3 or #4.

Anyone who believes Amat doesn't deserve a place near the top of this list doesn't understand strength of schedule. Had the Lancers booked a pre-season like South Hills or Los Altos, they would have been 4-0 and nobody would have said a word.

Instead they step up and schedule, (as they should), Los Osos, Hart, and O Lu, arguably three of the best teams in the Section, and pay the price. So this means they should be ranked below a 4-0 San Dimas or a 3-1 Arroyo. Spare me, please.

D Ranch is good, but probably not better than Damien, Glendora, Charter Oak or Los Altos. Heck, even Ayala coulda/shoulda beat DR... I know I know.... DR keeps complaining about injured players, but their starting RB's and LB's started the game. They got injured during the game, not before it. What team doesn't have injuries at this point in the season anyway? I won't say over rated, because DR is good, but just not that good to deserve #1

CRome, no it's not my list. I do find these lists enjoyable though, I wonder how these experts have the time to see all these teams play in order to rank them. I also do not have a problem with the new top ten. CO didn't play well last week. See, no anger.

Best defenses on this list would be:

#1 Glendora
#2 Charter Oak
#3 Diamond Ranch
#4 Duarte
#5 Los Altos

Best offenses on this list would be:

#1 Diamond Ranch
#2 Los Altos
#3 South Hills
#4 Charter Oak
#5 San Dimas

I agreee with Oscar Rosalez on Bishop Amart, why all the love and top 25..............please

Man and DR vs Amat game that would be good. If anyone knows DR history, before they had a varsity team a JV DR team played a JV Amat team and DR WON. That was like when the school first opened. So hey you never know, sounds like it would be a good game

Occidental College is 3-0 and are a great NCAA DIII team. They won their first two games 52-0 and 38-0.

Could they beat the 0-5 Notre Dame Fighting Irish?

More importantly - would they even claim that they could?

Bro yeah he looks like a stick man with pads on

Why is everyone in love with Bishop Amat. They are 1-3. How can anyone rate a team with a losing record in the top ten let alone the top 25.

I think the best offensive teams on the top 16 list are south hills, duarte, and wilson. Could the other teams keep up with them or are these guys just not good enough on defense?

Thomas, your arms look small get back in the weightroom!

With the Top 16 teams ranked, who would win a San Gabriel Valley playoff. The brackets would look like this:

Top Half
1. Diamond Ranch vs. 16. West Covina (DR)
8. Damien vs. 9. Duarte (TOUGH CALL - DAMIEN)
5. South Hills vs. 12. Wilson (SH)
4. Charter Oak vs. 13 Arroyo (CO)

Bottom Half
3. Los Altos vs. 14. Northview (LA)
6. Bishop Amat vs. 11. Bonita (BA)
7. San Dimas vs. 10. Rosemead (SD)
2. Glendora vs. 15. Diamond Bar (GHS)

Your absolutley right Fred.
Any team can lose to anyone on any given day. Does that mean one team is better than the other. Maybe on a super blowout you might be able to say that, but not on a close game.

Glendora lost to Charter Oak in the last 22 seconds on a trick play. On this night, it was truly a defensive brawl all night long. Both offenses were not terribly affective. Who ever had the last possession had a great chance on winning this game. Thats what happened. It was a great game on a defensive perspective.

Glendora would be undefeated leading into this game with the CIF SS Champions El Do.

Your rankings are good. Though, if Glendora wins this week and DR loses, Glendora should be moved to #1 going into league play.

On a side note, considering all factors, the Glendora/El Do game is a much better match (head to head) than DR/Oaks Christian. Oaks Christian should have an easy win considering the health factor of DR.

I'll be at Citrus Stadium this Thursday!

Can't you get a picture of a kid that doesn't think it's all about him. I dislike show boats like that. All he is saying is look at me look at me. Well hotcake it's not about you so go back and do whatever you think is so important that you have to draw attention to yourself and do it again. Take care of business put the ball down and quit with the show biz. If this show boat represents D-Ranch then I'm gunning for this guy right out the box.

D-Ranch is very good school that has great pull of football players coming in. I do give them credit, they play a semi-decent schedule and are 3-1 with there only loss to Edison. Edison is a team that got killed 42-14 by Mater Dei. So I'm not excited with how close DR kept it with Edison. I've seen DR games, and to be honest they have some guys that can ball. Layton is a good coach with a good staff. But to call out Amat like they are, I think they're asking for it. Amat 1-3 But the schedule they have played against compared to Edison is completely opposite. I have seen D1, D2, D3, D4, D7... football games and the speed and level on competition in the first 3 divisions are significantly faster and very physical then the following divisions. Dont get me wrong the top teams in some of the lower divisions could and will compete. But that's what makes them the top. The following top ten, is not based on anything that could really predict who is number 1. But if it really came down to it. I just hope the SGV could really improve as a whole.

1. Amat
2. Los Altos
2. DR
3. CO
4. Glendora

Its just really hard to break it down when Amat plays a very high level of caliber of teams.

SKRID Is this your list?

Nah, I live by the District Field

Glendora is not that good boys. They played a weak Etiwanda team and CO's offense has spudered out the gates, mostly to penalties. Fred do you reside in Glendora or something? Duarte? They played Ayala and lost. Other than that, who have they played? Gladstone, Genisha, Monrovia! Come on now. They should have a great record considering all the non factors in their league. Rosemead in the top 10??? Played LA and got spanked. Beat Temple City(0-4) and I know, I know, beat Northview (just played another bad game,right). They wouldn't beat anyone from the Miramonte or Sierra league. Let's put some thought in to this.
1.Diamond Ranch
2.Los Altos
3.South Hills
4.Charter Oak
5.Glendora
6.Damien
7.Bishop Amat
8.Bonita
9.San Dimas
10.Wilson
11.Diamond bar
12.Duarte
13.Rosemead
14.Northview
15.Arroyo
16.Maybe next season!!

You'll see.

DRanch coach Roddy Layton told me earlier this week he would love to schedule a game against Bishop Amat next year.

Good list. I do think that South El Monte is a good team. They have played some tough teams and now the boys have to fight back and learn how to win again. On paper, they are good. We will see how they do in league. I will say this, all the hype around Cogburn is a joke, he hasn't done anything.

The top 6 teams ar all strong and would probably pound the lower teams. Damien is interesting at 8. They would probably pound San Dimas and could maybe beat a frew top teams but we'll have to wait and see how the fair the rest of the season.

Bonita is interesting too. They probably would beat Rosemead and Crutchfield, I meant Do Rock, but they have loses to good teams and we'll have to see what happens after this week.

Last but not least. If Amat beats Carson, they have to go up to #1. Even if they lose to Carson they don't drop because they would crush everyone below them. Lets be honest here boys. Amat is probably going to lose to Crespi, Notre Dame, and Loyola. That gives them 6 or 7 losses on the year. They would still need to be #6 because no one below them would beat them. Guys have talked about scheduling. How about bringing back Amat vs. Damien. That would be great. The 2 Catholic schools in our area.

CO BRO rankings are meaningless. YOU ARE RIGHT , lets wait till December & let's see who makes it to week 14. Best of Luck To ALL SGV TEAMS !!!

FIGHT ON !!!

TM

GOOD TAKE FRED . Glendora is LEGIT .

TM

IMO these rankings don't mean JACK! I want to see the rankings in December. These rankings are just blog fodder.

Look, Utah beat UCLA, do you see Utah ahead of UCLA in any polls? Just because you beat a team head-to-head doesn't mean that team can't pass you the rest of the way. And it's not like Charter Oak beat them convincingly anyway.

Fred,

Big undertaking - and pretty good list. It will be interesting to see how it continues to progress when common opponents play out and league play continues.

Hopefully, will get more people involved on the blog. It'll be interesting to hear the debates between "who's # 23 or #24". Like the wild card in baseball - the longer you can keep more teams excited the better off you are (sorry baseball purists : )

Looking at pre-season schedules, the biggest surprise might be #28 SEM at 0-4. I think we were all expecting better.

DOOHHH! Ya beat me to it, although I didn't rank everyone, I did put up the top 15 based upon HOW I THINK THEY WOULD FARE AGAINST EACH OTHER THIS SEASON.

Stuff like past history, previous success or lack of it, what the alumni thinks of the coaching or administration, which League or division they play in (translated: playoff chances), nifty mascots, teams colors, etc were NOT CONSIDERED.
The geographic parameters are East to the county line, North to the Foothills, 1 mile South of the 60 and West to the 710.

Here goes:

1.Glendora
2.Diamond Ranch
3.South Hills
4.Bishop Amat
5.Charter Oak
6.Damien
7.Los Altos
8.Arcadia
9.Bonita
10.West Covina
11.San Dimas
12.Alhambra
13.Diamond Bar
14.Duarte
15.Rosemead

IMO, the bottom five shown here would have a very poor chance against the top five, that is to say Rosemead wouldn't get far against Glendora. The middle tier reside there largely due to inconsistency; had Damien beat either CO or Los Altos, I'd see them in the top three. Bonita's losses to two solid teams pushed them down the same way.

How can you rank Glendora ahead of Charter Oak If CO won head to head?